Somewhere in Time / 2Bens2Burious (Guest: Ben Burris)

Another Ben enters the mix when Actor, Producer, Puppeteer, and 2nd "MBay" Ben Burris brings his selection "Somewhere in Time," (1980). Starring; Christopher Reeve, Jane Seymour, and Christopher Plummer. We discuss the differences between psychic powers and gaslighting, the importance of spare change, and SUITS!

Plot: A Chicago playwright uses self-hypnosis to travel back in time and meet the actress whose vintage portrait hangs in a grand hotel.

Recorded 11/22
1hr 43mins

Transcript

I saw you I saw what you wrote down and I did Not a comedy here. Made me giggle. Not a comedy? This is the first time I've laughed in days. Welcome to the review review.

My name is Ben. My name is Paul. And we do, a little podcast where we will, usually have a guest. Sometimes it's just us hanging out dude stuff. And, there's a movie Dude's dude now.

There's a movie usually involved. Typically one that either the guests or one of us have brought in. Not many stipulations on said movie except it has to be at least seven years old. Can't be really part of any franchise or you know crazy Unless it's like the first one. And we will review that movie, rewatch it, give our sort of five stars or five anything really.

It can be movie related. I think for White Men Can't Jump, I had five balls. I did five Nike Command Forces, a shoe that according to you does not matter. Because you are mean. And Mean man.

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My good friend for many, many years, Ben Burris. Ben is an actor and a puppeteer and a general creative individual. He's wonderful. I'm between two two Bens. My two Bens.

My two Bens. The best Radiohead album, You Bends. Maybe? Oh. Yeah.

That's for our, review Radiohead. Yeah. And the Swan or Swan I was gonna say review head, but then I was like, that's a different podcast. I already subscribed to that podcast. Can you be Ben and Burris?

Can you be Burris for me? Does that make it easy? Well, first, say hi. I'll be whatever you want me to be. Woah.

This is already getting horny just like this movie. This movie is a little horny. A little? This movie wants This movie slaps. Oy.

What if we'd watch that? Okay. Okay. Yeah. So Ben Ben first say Burris first say hi.

I'm so excited to talk about this. Hi. You can call me Burris. Anything you want to discuss anything yourself you want to pitch or propose or say, like, follow me or whatever. Yeah.

Sure. You can follow me on Instagram at Ben Here underscore Ben There. In a delicious bun. Ben and I are also and Burris and I are also, producers on a theater festival, 1448, the world's quickest theater festival, takes place in Hollywood, occasionally. Yeah.

I got to attend. It's been a while since we've done It's been a while. Since we've done one of these. So Let's talk about this movie. Yeah?

No. I mean, shortly, but it's just been a while since we've all got together. Ben and I saw banshee's of Ed Sheeran, which I think we both really liked. It's fucking great, I thought. Yeah.

This is pretty fucking great. Banshee's in Ed Sheeran? Yeah. Banshees and Ed Sheeran. Like Martin McDonough.

Martin McDonough flick. Yeah. In Ed Sheeran. Good movie. The Banshees in Ed Sheeran.

It's like a X Men crossover project with Ed Sheeran. He got to write to the one character. It's a psychic power thing. It look. It's very high concept similar to I mean, he's going through all the shows.

He was in he was in Game of Thrones, and so he's he's just hopping over to X Men. Alright. Let's get to it. So the movie we that Burris brought to us was Yeah. Be fair.

Burris brought this. Burris brought this movie that I had never heard of. It is called Somewhere in Time. It is rated PG. It was released in 1980.

It was a universal distributed movie, but it was Rastar Pictures produced. Rastar? Whatever. How do you pronounce this director's name? Cheno Cheno's Swark.

Walk? Cheno's Walk. Directed by Cheno's Walk. Is it French? Yeah?

Oui. Jaws two. Woah. Enigma. Which I watched after this.

How was that? I watched this movie and then I watched Enigma. It's like Martin Sheen and Sam Neill. It's, a lot of people staring at stuff and running around and music. You know, it's a bit of an enigma and it's just somewhere in time.

It's very similar in a lot of ways. Is it super Although not similar at all. Is there any is there Supergirl involved? There is a Supergirl in it. She's super Not as super as Helen Slater as Supergirl.

And a bunch of TV apparently. K. It was written by Richard Matheson, based on his novel, Bid Time Return. Richard Matheson, who also wrote one of your previous episodes Yes. What Dreams What Dreams May Come.

Never never met the man. Hate him. May may may I just might I just tell you the other films that have been based on his writings? Sure. Okay.

Duel, Hell House, Stir of Echoes, I am Legend, to name a few, and also the famous Twilight Zone episode, Nightmare at 20,000 Feet. Yeah. Oh, man. I do love that Twilight Zone episode. I I think I love that so much just because of, like, the reference where John Lithgow and William Shatner meet.

Mhmm. And they talk about the flying on the wing. There's something on the wing. He also No one believed me. Me too.

I saw it too. There was also the shrinking man which turned into the incredible shrinking man in 1958. He this Basically, a lot of things he wrote ended up on screen. Yeah. Well, and I think, like, Omega Man technically would be is that But he did this yeah.

He did a Yeah. Omega Man. But did he did the screenplay for this for Somewhere in Time? Yeah. He adapted it.

But he didn't do the screenplay for What Dreams May Come if I No. No. But if you told me he did, I'd say, yeah. Sure. Sure.

Probably. Yeah. Why not? The DP is, Isidore Manoski? Manoski?

Manoski. Better Off Dead $2. And the Muppet movie. Did you know that? What?

The same person who shot this movie shot the Muppet movie. That's why I brought it in. You are so full of shit. Imagine this movie where everyone's Muppets except for Christopher Reeve. Man, that sounds great.

Produced by Steve Bickle and Steven is it Deutsch? Deutsch. Oh, he did Bill and Ted. Yeah. Body of Evidence and What Dreams May Come.

Yeah. Great track record. And, like, the music was John Barry who did a bunch of James Bond movies. Okay. Jane Seymour was a Bond girl.

Uh-huh. Blah blah blah. There's so much crossover with so many other things. Jane Seymour Jane Seymour is very pretty. Oh, man.

Jane Jane Seymour is like a legendary robo babe. She's very She has chemistry in every single role that she's ever been in. True. With anybody she needs to have chemistry with, she's got it. I remember being sick at home and, like, there's nothing on TV because that was also, like, cable.

Doctor Quinn Medically. It's like the only thing on. It's either that or soap operas, and this is like or like a top show. Nearly Golden Girls was probably on. I never saw Golden Girls on while I was sick.

Oh, wow. Well, we've already said it but we'll say this, this movie stars Chris Reeve r I p. R I p as Richard Collier. Collier. Of course, he is Superman.

Village of the Damned and Deathtrap. Also, I don't know why you don't have, oh, now we're gonna we're gonna cut this part because I'm forgetting. No. I wanna leave it in. Fuck.

Michael Caine, Christopher Reeve, John Ritter. Oh, yeah. Marco. The play. Oh, Marco.

Marco. That's not a real problem. It's the play where they're doing the play and, like, they keep screwing up and then it's backstage and No. Noises off. Noises off.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, sir. We're gonna go back.

It's because I love your father. Michael cut. Michael cut. Going back? I can't believe we don't have, noises off on here, which is one of my favorite history movies.

What a piece of shit I am. You've seen noises off. Right? I have not. Woah.

Hands to the sky, this guy. Jane Seymour. Yeah. With Still My Beating Hearts. Woo.

As Elise McKenna. Of course, doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman, Wedding Crat Wedding Crashes. Right? Live and Let Die. Yep.

Christopher Plummer RIP. As WF Robinson. My f stands for faucet. I can't believe he has his name. Did they say his name often?

Dude, this guy has also been Was he a real What a wild career. Like, as we talk about Marco kind. I know. It's it's a similar thing where it's, like, kind of a roller coaster. It's it's a fun fucking ride, though.

He is a very talented actor. Mhmm. And he he is wasted Every time he shows up in this movie, I am relieved. He's wasted in this movie. I don't mean he was drunk.

I mean He might have been. He might have been. If he read the script, How dare you not bring me cocaine? All the money in the world, that's right, replaced he who shall not be named in that. Sure.

Knives Out, Dragnet, Star Trek the Undiscovered Country, Malcolm X. Oh, so many. Goaded Star Trek movie. That movie is awesome. So many.

Bill Irwin. Not Bill Irwin, but Bill e Irwin. Mhmm. Also in Home Alone. She's got a whole drawer full of them.

Dangly ones. Real dangly ones. Don't need any earrings. So it Home Alone and Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. So he's the guy he's the passenger in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

And in the new four k release, there is a deleted scene where John Candy is just giving Oh, right. Him, Steve Martin's, like, unwanted food. Just like, oh, do you want this? Do you wanna do you want this fish? And Steve Martin's like, what?

And he's like, you want you want the cookie? He's like, no. I want the or brownie or whatever. But either way, gotta love Bill Irwin with an e. Wait.

Is this right? William h Macy's in this? If you have an eagle eye. There were no awards nominations for this movie? What?

Burris, how furious are you right now? Furious, Burris. First, Burris. Burris. Fast and Furious.

Too Ben, too Burris. You guys are have are gonna have me acting a fool. That's the name of this. My two Bens. Yeah.

Two Ben My two Ben. To Burious. The budget for this movie was $5,100,000. All of it was that suit. Yeah.

Unless. No. Who who pulls off a fucking tan suit? All of it was This is the one person in history. Oh, that ending special effect probably cost a bunch.

When when when you are By the way in between shooting he's still wearing the suit. When you're in between shooting Superman movies and you're clearly like a chiseled physique underneath of it Yeah. You can pull off any suit. Dude, he looks fucking great. Yeah.

He's Superman. Yeah. Of course he does. He it's like Barack Obama couldn't pull off that suit, but this guy did. He fucking did it, y'all.

He makes a joke about how he has a nine foot wingspan. Yeah. About his huge long arms or braces. He's supposed to be this, like, playwright who clearly is not supposed to be very, like, attractive. Like, he's just supposed to be kinda, like, every man's and he's fucking Superman.

Yeah. No. He even goes into, like, a little bit of, like, Clark Kent mode at some point. So just, like, The nerdy. When he gets, like, he gets, like, all He's trying to be charming and he's, like He's the horniest man in the world.

Every He sees a photo and he wants to fuck it, and that's his Based on the origin of old woman with watch and somehow ends up in this place and he's like, yep, that's the chick. Gotta boner. No matter what it takes. No matter what it takes. Gotta boner.

That's what I kept taking away from this movie. I was like, He's just the hoartiest man in the world. Let's see. It opened at 1,200,000.0, which if you don't Okay. That didn't make its money back in its opening.

And then what is this? National and worldwide, it made 9.7. So it made money. Oh. Adjusted for inflation.

Is that what this number is? Yeah. So it was Budget was $818,000,000 and the it made 35,000,000. Adjusted. So it's like semi that's kind of respectable, I think.

Yeah. Thanks, Biden. The average of Leonard Brown travel in in, like, affect this movie? Is that what It is June 1980. It is June 1980.

Going back to watch it. It is June 1980. Okay. Speaking of going back to watch it. Yeah.

Siskel and Ebert gave this two thumbs down. Wow. They did not like this movie. Siskel nor Ebert. Does Letterbox like it?

Both of them. Letterbox gave it an average of 3.5. That's pretty high. That's too high. Oilers Speaking of too high, Christopher Reeve is six four.

I can't get over just in general how commanding he is. Like, he just carries himself so well. It's interesting the parallels between this and What Dream Become. We have, like Interesting or mad name? Christopher Reeve and Rob Williams were friends at Juilliard.

Yeah. Went to Juilliard together. And of course, Christopher Reeve was tragically paralyzed, in a horse riding accident in May 1995 and passed in 02/2004. I swear both of you guys fucking hate me. He turned down American Gigolo Great movie.

The World According to Garp Woah. Splash, Fatal Attraction, Romancing the Stone, Lethal Weapon, Body Heat, and the Bounty. Holy shit. Wow. Well, he gave me shit.

World of Card and the Garp. That was, Robin Williams. Yeah. Another, like, there's so much He probably called Robin Williams, but he's like, hey, man. Eerie boss movie.

Yeah. I'm starting to think Burris is part of the Illuminati. One one one? I'm I'm getting there. Getting there.

So my next question is gonna be hey, Burris. What's this movie about? Oh. Well, this movie is about let me tell you. I fell in love with a 67 year old picture of a lady, so I thought my way back in time.

That's pretty good. That's actually That is the most concise we've ever had. It's very good. Usually, it's me stuttering and being and going for about an hour. No.

Like, we decided we're gonna put it on the guest. Like, whoever brings the movie is the person that's gonna have to be like, what is this? We shouldn't have we shouldn't have prepped him. We should have Probably not. Yeah.

Yeah. It would have been better to spring it on him. My bad. It's alright. Yeah.

Lesson learned. So we all just recently rewatched this movie or just watched it for the first time in my, case. Same. What? Paul?

Hey, Paul. What do you what do you rate this movie? This is okay. I'm gonna give you my 2¢. I just don't have that many.

I only have 1 and a half cents because that's how much that's my rating. Is this is this your book? 1.5. You never you never saw this movie? I've never seen this.

Okay. I knew it existed because I knew this was one of those Christopher Reeve is on the high of Superman and chose to do this and I think a couple other things including death trap and whatnot over various other movies that it was just like confounding. And now I'm even more confounded. Because by read I don't know what happened in editing. I don't know if this is a thing, if this is like a prank.

You think editing could have helped me? No. No. No. No.

I don't know if it was like chopped down a lot somehow. But it also tells me a lot when he goes when Christopher Reeve goes to the restaurant and he says, one for dinner and no one's there. And they're like, oh, forty minutes. And that's how long it is until something happens in the movie? They have nothing to do for forty minutes.

Might as well just walk around for exposition for a while. Like, the act breakdowns in this movie are nuts. I'll I'll go ahead. I'm gonna go with yeah. Both of you goes that you've never you never saw the movie before.

It's true. We've never seen it. And just keep in mind, we don't know listener, we don't know how Burris feels about this movie. Yes. We have no idea.

He might love this movie. And he our ratings may come up. His ratings may go down. It may be a combination of both. We'll see how we end up at the end of the movie.

This man to my left who doesn't wanna look me in the eye said this movie slaps earlier. Well, we were going on, like, a whole thing there. Sure. There's so much to talk about. I was just like, yeah.

Okay. I gotta say, like, I love that you brought this for not because I had to watch it. For that, I'm angry with you. But but there's so much to talk about. There's truly a lot to talk about.

Yeah. I I'm gonna Yeah. McFadden, please. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, boy. I did not enjoy Oh, brother. I did not enjoy watching this movie. You know, I say oh, boy because honestly, this felt like, like a throwaway episode of Quantum Leap. Oh, shit.

Like, that's when I felt like I was You thought there were throwaway episodes? Brilliant response. Oh, boy. Oh, brother. Yeah.

I I think Sorry to be an income poop. No. You're you're great. I think I had to give it I'm gonna go with two tape recorders. Okay.

So you actually gave it a higher rating than I did. I think I did. I I think I gave it a higher rating because of the amount of times I laughed out loud or or said something, ex ex ex exclaim something to the screen in a way that I mean, I will say that if there's one word that I have to define my experience, it was uncomfortable. That's how I felt most of watching this movie was just that The rest looks so our guest Oh, no. No.

I'm just I was listening. I just I was just staring. Our guest will share We haven't been around each other as much recently as we have been in the past. So we, like, just look angry. No.

I was just, like, in my head thinking. I was just, like, listening and just, like, taking I was, like, and I was thinking about what you're saying and, like, I think I know which parts he's talking about. Well, in my head The whole thing the whole thing is uncomfortable. That I mean, that most of it is. Mostly.

But, like okay. There is, like, a cool elevator that has, like, a lift gate. I guess that was cool. I liked that he had a car. Oh, cool.

Yeah. He had a nice car. Yeah. The hotel the hotel looked nice. The hotel was great.

We're gonna talk I'm gonna talk about a lot Five stars. Wait. But Boris has to get busy. Absolutely. That is 1000% the rating on that hotel, though.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Hey. How horny were the kids in the forties?

Could you tell me, Bellman? Oh, those kids used to come here and enjoy the rooms. May you please tell you anything you want? They used to come here for dinner and sometimes enjoy the room. And sometimes enjoy the room.

Oh, Arthur. Poor Arthur. Kid just wants to play this fucking ball. Just let him play with a big red ball. Just in case you forgot, Arthur's been there a long time.

I know. That poor guy's life? Just in case you forgot. Alright. That kid shows up 10 times.

We need we need a moment to hear it. Okay. I saw this movie for the first time, I think, when I was 10 years old. Your parents were irresponsible. I'm so Were you masturbating?

Why would I masturbate, Terry? Is this why you're so horny? But this movie has Superman, it has time travel, and it has theater and all the things that I was really into. Yeah. So I was like, okay.

Cool. I saw this movie when I was 10, and the end to jump to the ending, like, that was something that affected me because I didn't I wasn't, like as, like, a child, if it had, like, a sad ending, it was like It don't go there. You know, it has that go shit moment. Like, in for a 10 year old, like, that for me, like Sure. Like, for example, I'm gonna like, for the movie, Powder, I was really upset that he gets lightning bolted to death or or gets his ass kicked out of the sky.

Mention a good movie. No. No. No. No.

But, like, death, like, things with death, like, that would that would have been so think that the end of this movie was sad. I thought it was hilarious. I am 10 years old. He's stuck in that suit. Years old.

When I see your 1996. I am 10 years old. I'm trying to tell you Okay. I'm sorry. My I was feeling when I saw it when I was 10 years old.

Understand. Not now as a grown adult. Yes. I understand. So, yeah, I mean, like, I liked I love sci fi.

I always and I like the idea of time trial. This has, like, a very faint so just okay. The rating for my 10 year old self, probably, like, a three, three and a half. Okay. So pretty like, this is a pretty good movie.

Like, it it hit me in a way. I remembered it. Do you want me to give my rating now? Yeah. First rating is three to three and a half nineteen seventy nine pennies.

My rating now This is why I wanted to rate first in case, like, multiple of us were gonna choose coins. I also I also hate rating things. So this is why I'm giving, like, the Yeah. You're not being super Yeah. Yeah.

You're not being super ratings things. Yeah. That's okay. My rating now would probably be one and a half to two pocket watches that who knows where and when they came into existence. We just know that it once was in the possession of Elise McKenna.

One Elise McKenna and thus one Richard Collier. I I love, like, the austere, like, opening. It's just universal logo, white titles over black screen, and then we just, like, come into this, like, kinda after party of Yeah. Play. Yeah.

Either, like, closing night or opening night party. And it's just, like, it seems a little joyous, but then you immediately go to this ominous shot of, like, the fucking crypt keeper, and it's, like, backlit with, like, dressed all in black. I had said I already had not seen this movie. Like, I had not heard of this movie. I did not know what this movie was gonna be about.

I went on a journey. I just knew it was time traveled. That's all I knew. I had no idea. Time traveled to the past.

That's all I knew. I didn't even know that part. I knew Christopher Reeve was in it, and that's about the end. Welcome to the fun of the concept of this podcast. Yeah.

So when it started, I was like, oh, okay. Is this a playwright? Playwright at Millfield College, which is not real. Mhmm. And it's '72.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. And all the girls wanna fuck him. Seems like They keep kissing him on the cheek, and then the girlfriend comes over.

Yeah. Yep. And we get the shadowy old woman. But, you know ominous shot. And then we we jump on time.

Who's just, like, watching Christmas? We don't jump on time yet. We then have the shot. The woman gets up Oh, yeah. And starts walking towards him, and everybody knows to just shut up.

Yeah. Because we it's like Everybody just shut the picture. She probably has totally normal motivations. Like, as a viewer, you're like, this is fine. How would this trip?

This is what happens when old people are like, good job. Put on your plate. She, like, parts. Bye bye. Everyone, like, parts.

Yeah. And she walks to the center. Looking red see. This this is where you see William h Macy. Oh.

In a sweater, he's labeled as critic. Doesn't say a thing in this whole movie, but just watches her pass by, and then we never see him again. I'm really I'm interested to, like, really dig into this movie and figure out why you're why you have, like, come to the point where I and, like, Ben are at. Because he's, got a head on his shoulders. Eyes in his brain.

It goes from a funk score to this ominous score to the happy score. This I like John Barry. I think John Barry is a good composer. Do not like the music in this movie. I do not like it.

I do not like it, Sam I Am. I it is there is one song I like in this movie and it's not because of John Berry. Come back to me. Come back to me. Who was that?

I don't know. What about the woman? Okay. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. I just thought about this because I didn't think of it. College Mackinac Island 19 70 2. I hadn't thought about that first scene. Approaches you with a trinket and says come back to me.

I hadn't thought about that first scene. College play is gonna go to Broadway. I hadn't thought about that first scene since I watched the movie. And now when I think about it, he ruined this woman's life. Right?

Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. Like, he 100% She became a recluse. Yeah.

He just ruined this woman's life. And just Okay. Hold on. We're gonna get a get a Just to put in there, she hands him You're like me and what dreams may come where it's like let's go let's go let's go let's go. She hands him a pocket watch and says Yeah.

Come back to me. You know, like, what and he's like, what the hell is this pocket watch? And then she immediately dies. I'm gonna bring up the pocket watch again, Lynn. She she goes back to her room at the hotel with an author who we find out wrote a book about old actors who was her assistant or whatever Doesn't even say familiar.

Doesn't even say a word ever when he entered. Yeah. And she's like, you're right, dog? And she's like, puts up a peace line and fades away. Like, she's You just like closed that door.

She it's a she knew she was gonna die. Were those three days together worth it? Like, was the dick that good? Your wife movie is horny. This movie.

Wanna fuck. That's what this movie is all about. Which becomes the world that is that dick. It is not about true love. If this movie is about true love, Romeo and Juliet's I mean, like It's a Romeo and Juliet is a 13 and a 17 year old, like, who are just really horny.

Yeah. And this one's about how old was how old would you say Christopher Reeve was? She was 26. I think he was he must have been 30 to 31 by the time the movie ended. 31 year old and a and a 90 love affair then because I'm gonna go with because she's 60 The old woman is not 67.

No. Because when he meets her, she's 91. 19 70 two. About a podcast. This is not important.

No. So he okay. But but but we've drunk in time, and he is now, like It's 1979. He's living in New York. He's got all these, like A professional playwright with all these He's got all these plaques on his wall or and, not playbills, but essentially the same thing Yeah.

Of his produced plays. He's apparently very accomplished. Mhmm. Yeah. And has a plaque that says, that which you think becomes your world, which, again, is this about his dick?

Like, what are we thinking about? What are we upset? The and I thought about this before I rewatched this movie. I watched this movie twice. I'm so sorry.

And I noticed that he has War and Peace on his desk by Tolstoy. And then, like, that I could have read that faster than this movie felt. But that plaque that you said that you just read, the the the text of that. Yeah. That which you think is called the world.

Is that is that not foreshadowing? It's foreshadowing. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck it.

I'm sure. If you're gonna say that I'm not saying it's good foreshadowing, but I just I just hear I didn't see that pick that, I mean, does anything else I didn't pay enough attention to this office. Anyone or, like, this scene with his is that his publisher, his agent, his manager? He's he he goes out the dope gated elevator, and he meets this guy. All that stood out to me He's leaving.

He's leaving his career. He's going on vacation. Yeah. He's like, the play's not ready. He's like, but we need the play.

Yeah. But it was also like getting out of a relationship or, like, he got drunk. Yeah. With however many girlfriend is it the same girlfriend from '72? Or really care.

We don't know. And he goes on vacation. He's not gonna finish his play. Who's this guy he meets? It's never explained, is it?

I don't think so. No. Probably, like, an agent. Sure. I mean, there you have to surmise so much.

You have to assume you have like, and there's not really such a get through it. They're trying to, like, get to, like, the meat, but then the meat I'm not gonna let myself get angry. You mean by the meat, do you mean the dick? You you take it how you want. So okay.

He's driving to go on vacation, but And he knows he's he's gonna go to the Grand Hotel. But he drives past him. He doesn't. Yeah. Okay.

He drives right past But that's where I was quite like, was he going somewhere else? I I don't Oh. Did he miss the tour? I don't know. I think I think I think he wasn't planning on going to this hotel.

I think he was driving past it. Is that some sort of powerful lure? And then he just reversed he does this magic, amazing reverse. Fantasy movie. This is not a sci fi movie.

It's a fantasy romance. It's a fantasy porn. If this movie was a porn, I would have enjoyed it more. Yeah. A %.

Yes. Right? The sex scene is worse than Top Gun. Oh, that's saying something. Terrible.

It is really bad. But he expertly, like, reverses back to center of camera. Because he because he'd always wanted to stay there when he But that that's because of my questions. Was he gonna go somewhere else? Was he I think You know, I always wanted to stay there.

His past His past There shouldn't be this any question he was calling to you about. Succinct an hour and forty five minute movie. Something that's holding on to this movie was? Yeah. This movie was three hours long.

So this movie had a forty minute first act, a forty five minute second act, and a thirteen minute third act before the credits start. I don't know about you, but I watched this movie with commercials. Oh, you watched it? How did every I watched on Tubi. That's where I watched it.

I have it on DVD, but I watched it on Tubi. How do you feel about that? How do you feel like, this is gonna be permanent in the world. You just said that. I used to collect a lot of movies, and I probably I think I found it at Groove in Seattle.

I have a lot of movies that are bad. Yeah. I own them. This movie has nostalgia. That's that's what fuels this movie.

That's all this movie is about. This movie is about nostalgia. Yes. That's what it's about. Sure.

Do do you are you gonna watch this movie again? I have no idea. You you just rated it as 1.5 pocket watches. I sometimes watch bad movies. That's fine.

Yeah. But, like, is this a pleasurable experience for you? Like, I love the movie What About Bob? Like, that's a great greatly executed version of weird person playing weird character, person that hates them calling them out, and everybody else around them loving the weird person. Mhmm.

And the person who's not crazy feeling like they're crazy. Mhmm. I I like that movie but also makes it feel terrible. How yeah. But how how could you this movie makes me I I did I watched it twice.

Why am I asking you this? You watched it more than I have. I watched it twice. No. I was just I had so many movies in this.

Nostalgia, but I do I like I was so high. I thought I missed so many things. So I watched it sober, and I fucking I watched it high on caffeine and pop tarts. Oh, my favorite. My favorite.

Five days a week. I watched it this morning. You a lot. Drink some coffee. Yeah.

See? Caffeine and pop tarts. That's that's how this movie And it was like, yeah. It just has yeah. It has nostalgia.

I like the premise, and that's as far as I go with saying I like. It's it's such a high concept. I think that's why the commercials made me feel like I was watching Quantum Leap. Sure. I mean, it it goes for two hours and five minutes.

Two hours, something like that. Two of you watch it with with, with, that. Two beef. I don't mind I watched the Friday night movie on NBC when I was a kid or, like, and or the Sunday night movie or what have you. Mhmm.

I would get up during commercial breaks to go to the bathroom or pop a bag of Doritos or whatever it is. So for me, a commercial break is an opportunity for me to do something. The thing I guess I can appreciate about Tubi is there's a bunch of stuff I've never heard of or have just has just come into my Are they? Sphere because of Letterboxd or other things. This podcast is brought to you by two Are they a sponsor?

Yeah. I was gonna ask. Soon. Okay. Letterboxd, having the patron level thing, so many things that are on my watch list are available through there.

So I just find myself using it all the time. Nothing's cut. Yeah. The Do you wish violence is there, the swearing's there, the nudity's there, the it's all there. Do you wish something was cut from this movie?

So he goes to this hotel. We're only fifteen minutes into this film. We got we got an hour and a half of this movie left. He he go yeah. But he goes to this hotel and, is that where he is that where he meets Arthur and has a conversation?

Yeah. Yeah. But the that guy has a lot of lead in the pencil. I Forsyth puts it in The Rock. This is You wanna get out?

Well, you still got some lead in your pencil? Bill Irwin with an e playing Arthur. Your friend's in Shan Francisco. And he is a Pank Machisz. He's been there since Nineteen ten.

Enjoying the the 1910. The kids have been enjoying the rooms as far as he knows. Yeah. Yeah. She was like, oh, yeah.

The college kids. His father was gonna kill him. Well, like, there's so much of this I've seen you before. Right? Or people saying that, I've seen you.

Right? And it's the the idea of like this being, I forget the name, circadian time loop or what. It's a time loop. Mhmm. That he is going to be reborn and live this same thing, and so is she.

Mhmm. It's implied, haven't I seen you before? By Arthur and various people. Like, people have been getting married. Back in 1912.

Haven't I seen you before? This movie is depressing as fuck. Yeah. But he's only there for three days. But he's always been here.

It's like The Shining. I wish it was like The Shining. But, dude, this movie released in 1980 Yeah. Has a dominantly red room, like the dominantly red bathroom, ornate carpets. Uh-huh.

I mean, there are some some time travel related things to a hotel. So many a lot of crossover. One the only thing that doesn't is that one is a masterpiece. Yes. And the other one is terrible.

And that's what we're talking about today. And this one doesn't have anybody dressed like a dog giving oral sex. And, like, that's the good one. That is the good one. I I mean, the red room, does he hear the music ever?

Do you does does anyone think Richard hears the music? Because he finds the red room where Elise's photo is. Is that the same is that tune? The hotel. Is that tune the same that comes out of the music box?

Yes. It's, Rock Monolov. Rock Monolov. I just remember Mononov. Rock Mononov.

Rock I know that the first name is Rock. Rock Mononov. That's what I remember from the movie. Because he he says it right now. But yeah.

Rock power song. He tells her about the song, which is why the song hard. Is in the music box she makes. Sure. But, yes, he's looking at, like, the old memorabilia.

He, like, yeah, in the red room. And and he he's, like, cued. You can tell that the the director was, like, I can't do French. Accion. And Christopher Reeve was, like, got it.

Like, he did a thumbs up and he turned. And the way it's lit when he sees the photo And he takes so long. He's going through, like, the cabinet, and then he's sort of enamored. All this call, remember to be around. For this play that happened in the hotel for, like, a weekend.

And, like, the eye line of for, like you can tell that they're, like, you have to look further down so that you can see we can see that you see that there is no name tag Right. Underneath it. Well, another reason to get Arthur back, like the man who guides us through this movie. Hey, who's the chick in the red room, dude? Oh, Elise McKenna.

She was like the shit. She was the mess. This movie is horny because he sees a picture and now he is on a quest to fuck that. He knows that even a 91 year old woman, he's like, oh, woah. Doesn't know that yet.

Yeah. Doesn't know that yet. And doesn't understand, like, the pocket watch doesn't make sense. Bangarang, Peter. Bangarang.

And so now that respects Rufio. At this point, I started to kind of tune out within this movie because I know Oh, that's early on. When he started to look into He started getting travels? No. He started getting obsessed Oh, man.

With Elise McKenna and then started looking at everything he caught about her. Who is she? And then when she library. Library, was searching, annoyed the librarian to go to the back to find random theater magazines, and then finds the picture of her, of the elderly woman that he saw Yep. In 1972.

Much of cross referencing uses this charm to get a woman to dig out some, rare magazines for him. Yeah. And this is how he finds a bunch of this stuff out, like, he charms this lady. By the way, he's so charming through this movie. There are three, at least three, very solid actors doing everything they possibly fucking can.

I love real cast. I think that the cast overall does a solid job. If this is three lesser actors that are not really committed to this movie because they fucking commit, bro. They go all the way. You could tell Christopher Reeve was like, this is my thing that's not Superman.

This is my thing. I'm with Christopher Plummer. I've got a Bond girl. Oh, I got it. He didn't read the script apparently.

And is it is there a loss in translation? With the French writing? Like, where it's got the Europe like, kind of a European touch to it where so much of it is Subtle? Yeah. Or has to be interpreted or yeah.

I think maybe, but the the I mean, everything I feel like I don't know the book. Have no idea what the book about is, but I haven't really been able to look. But the fact Just like Christopher Reeve in the book about time travel that he, like, finds or whatever. He knows nothing about it. He never reads it.

That's what I mean. Like, the conceit that the way that you travel through time in this world that they've created Oh, okay. Is by by saying it a lot, by hypno It's so weird. It it does it does not it's dumb. Okay.

That full immersion. There's not a better Dumb. There's not a better other We gotta start putting these on Twitch because, like, the physical the thing you just did was so beautiful. I mean, that's the best way I could just it's dumb. It's stupid.

It's a it's a bad the the entire time I was watching do that thing, all I kept thinking is we all know Okay. Hey, there's a big difference to me. Big difference to me between somebody telling me that if this car goes up to 88 miles per hour and you have the flux capacity Okay. And all of these things that you're gonna go back in time. Yeah.

Because you have you have this conceit of like, oh, this person I'm gonna challenge him. This great. I like it. But that this doc is is is is smarter than than anyone else who's ever attempted this and has finally broken the code. And this is what it it takes to make this happen.

As opposed to And all you need to do it is a ten minute talk with a guy that says, just get a tape recorder and have it repeat to you. And if you believe it, you can achieve it. Yeah. That's all it is. And and yeah.

Exactly. And that's why I mean like any fucking person with a brain cell would be sitting there going, this is bullshit. In order to make it work. Yeah. Because he did not read the book.

Oh, man. The struggle is real though. Like, I I I love I love the scene of just him, like, having trouble, like, going back in time and this, like, poor Christopher Reeve having to do this. You're struggling. You can't get back in time, but you wanna get back in time is what I imagine, like, the direction he He gets this one.

And he's, like, he's, like, clawing in his hair. He's, like, I I can't do it. I'm gonna I'm like, oh, man. The overactors, like, I'm so sorry you have to do this. Yeah.

I'm gonna challenge a little bit of what Ben said Bring it. And bring up something. Christopher Reeve comes upon this book about the concept of time travel and stuff about Elise McKenna and the music box that we mentioned, from this woman that died, at least McKenna died next to her, who and wrote part of a book or whatever about her that lives, I guess, not far away or somewhat locally, something. It's never explained. Mhmm.

But here's the thing. Is money a concept? Are you asking me like I'm asking is money a concept? Yeah. Is time a concept?

No. Okay. So you feel time is something that is not a construct. It is Time is always yeah. Constantly moving According to theory of relativity, time is time is not Okay.

So I agree with you. Yeah. But I'm gonna challenge you because I liked this part of this movie. Okay. No.

No. No. No. No. Not the execution of it.

Not not anything about News news flash, Paul loves this movie. He's watched it twice. He's watched it more than Paul. Do I? Do I?

I think Paul I'm gonna walk out being like, this is a two and a half star movie for me. Paul, this is a four star movie for me. He's done beating this movie a hard time. No. No.

No. No. So this this idea that if you put belief into something hard enough that I I'm more of the belief of the DeLorean of the con of the quantum leap setup the time cop setup of, like, we figured out this thing where if we launch you down whatever and you don't become one of the twins that get smashed at the concrete wall at the end, you hit this time bubble and hopefully the semi doesn't hit you, which is what happens in time cop. Yeah. But I like the idea of the mind is such a powerful thing.

So it's one it's just like You immerse yourself in the time Yeah. If you really truly believe it, either way, the talk that he has with this guy where it's just like that somehow makes it where it's just like he finds this book and seemingly doesn't read it because he has this ten minute talk with his old man. It's his old college professor. I think that's old Who was within nine years ago. Yes.

And that was the judge. He was like, oh, I have to go see you. I achieved I achieved time travel for what seemed like a moment. Because I wondered the first time I watched this, the big reason why I rewatched to defend myself was like, are we gonna, like, cut back to current time? This guy's gonna be covered in, like, piss and shit.

Like, how long has he been sitting there? How are you pissed? This is also I have questions about this. He's covered in what? Like, if it is real?

No. He falls asleep we're jumping, but he falls asleep in his bedroom. Mhmm. He wakes up in 1912 on a couch in a different bed in a different room. It's the same room.

Different setup. Okay. Same room, different setup. When he wakes up because the person currently occupying that room is there when he Yeah. Yeah.

When he wakes up though, he is not in his bed. He is on a couch. Yeah. It's a different room. Yeah.

Because when he you talking about yeah. Because When he wakes up in the room, press piece of furniture. No. Because then he goes back to the bedroom. He's on the he's in the other he's in the other room.

Rewatch it. He is he's in a different room. Yeah. That's because he's in He's on the floor of a different room of his hotel. Yeah.

East McKenna's room. My question to you though is when he travels in time, does his body disappear or does his body stay in the present? I think it's still there. Okay. So then No.

Is there I think he sent his consciousness back in time. That's impossible because he would be walking around the lobby and people would just be like No. I think he's lying there essentially motionless aside from and that's I understand my question. Where like the movie posits that he wakes up on her floor in somebody else's room. I think the movie posits that he completely disappears.

Okay. Fair enough. This is my question because when he wakes up This is fucking insane. When he wakes up in the present, he's in a different room than when he fell asleep to travel in time. Right.

So was it was there an unconscious Christopher Reeve body walking around the hotel No. For three days? No. And then, like, broke into someone else's room and fell asleep on the couch, and then he wakes up there all sweaty and then goes back to his bedroom horribly depressed? No.

The answer is no. He he bluffs. His body disappears. He gives us an expert. He keeps taking, yeah, logical steps.

He keeps taking logical no. No. No. If if For illogical thinking. If the movie if the movie is saying, okay, buy into the world we're creating.

Sure. He's like, okay, I'm gonna have the money on me I need. I'm gonna try to be in the fashion I'm supposed to be in. And it keeps, putting the tumblers in the lock form where it's like, okay, we're gonna have them go to a library. We're gonna have them meet a lady.

We're gonna have them bug the guy who's been there for seventy years. Like, it throws a bunch of stuff at you where it sets up all this stuff but it, like, then gives you the payoff in a way that tastes like dog shit. It's just everything. I hate every payoff in this movie. The the the moments where he's, like, actually well, first, he gives himself a great haircut.

Yeah. Gets this great accoutrement, the suit, the hat, whatever. Apparently, the suit's garbage. The suit is dope. Apparently, according to her shit.

At at one point, it's 10 years old. And then times how bad his suit is. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, wrong.

That suit is the shit. So he fails at traveling through time initially. So And then he He's gotta go stare at her photo. So she'll be a idiot. Yeah.

And then he looks at the registrar book and he's like And then Before that, Thor, when was the last time this guy fucked? When was the last time this guy got fucked? This we're not talking about. Willing to do. I mean, it's like, well, I don't know.

What is romantic love? Why does he just go to the hotel bar, have a few drinks? He'll meet somebody. They'll do it. But this Yeah.

I wanna talk about Arthur. Because, yeah. Well, Arthur shows up at his shack and he's like, hey. We don't you bitch. In the middle of the night, this elderly man who's been here his entire life.

Where are the old guest books? In the attic. He looks like he's about to just shake him. Yeah. It's like This guy's already losing his mind.

I couldn't travel back in time. I tried for, like, an hour. I'm gonna die. So he goes to the attic. I'm trying to get to when we travel through time.

I mean, yeah. We feel like we've sort of been there. But We've been we've been back and forth. We've traveled there. We've traveled fast.

He knows he's been there because he goes to the guest books in the attic, and he finds Also, his freaking name. And where he's supposed to be. And Dango was his name o. Rematively convincing he needs. Relatively small think he's way back in time.

Relatively small attic for a huge hotel? Yes. Very. It looks like the attic of of, like, my apartment. Yeah.

Those are tie I was like, the boys are very, very tiny. What is this? There's a Tupperware in it. It's a grand hotel. Yeah.

And they keep all of those things in the attic. I I gotta say that this movie does look really good at times in that, like, especially when he is back in time, the movie has warmer tones around him and overall through the move like, as it's happening. And it has this ethereal kind of feel. Everything feels a little blown out. Kinda like a Quantum Leap episode.

It's just I think it would have been a good Quantum Leap episode. It would have been fucking great. I don't know. I this is where the movie starts to grind me a little bit though. Was this like thirty minutes into the movie?

I when he finally goes back in time? When he goes back in time? Yeah. I mean, he does it and he wakes up in this room. He's like I did it.

How long did he have to do the tape recorder, by the way? How long did was Well, he had to hide the tape recorder. That was the note That was the other But, like, how long was he recording that tape? How many minutes does that tape go? Is it set to repeat?

You are in the Grand Hotel, June twenty seventh nineteen twelve, six PM. Did tape recorders have a repeat back then? Would it rewind and just, like, play over again? Was that a was that a tape recorder? Fancy tape recorder for the time.

It did have a touch to pause button. I will It did? I did wanna mention, and I'm sure you were going to mention it, all of you, you're on the custom Of course. Yes. Doing it.

Yes. But, my birthday is June 28 and so the entire time interesting. Okay. This movie takes place Expecting. On or around my birthday.

Three days to be honest. This entire time he's back in time. Wow. Three days. What a bummer for you.

I have I know what your theme party is gonna be next year. Everybody's gonna wear tan suits and I don't even I'm not even gonna And say milady. The the invitation won't even go into great details. It'll just be like, we're doing a somewhere in time themed birthday party. Where's it gonna be?

Somewhere. What time? What time? It's somewhere in time. All you have to do to get to my party is lay on your bed and think about it.

Yeah. Your gift is gonna be a $19.79 penny. You have to make your apartment spoilers. You have to make your apartment look like mine. When he puts everything away to time travel Wait.

Hold on. This is something that I And then later on, it's all back. Did he, like, look at the coins he puts in his pocket? He does. Yes.

But there's a reason He misses that one? He talks about this part of why he watches so many pockets. He said it has so many pockets. Look. There's even a pocket here.

He put the coins in his pocket, they put them out, and he must have just missed it. He put the he put the coins in his front pocket, the $19.12 coins in the vest pocket. Yeah. Of the vest. In his vest front pocket.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But when he pulls out the penny, it's in his inside pocket. Oh, I thought it was in the same pocket.

I thought he just missed it. No. It was an inside pocket. Wow. Well, it was never established then.

Great. Apparently, there was a line I was trying to give this movie too much credit. About how many pockets his jacket had. He talks about, like, this a lot. You know the writer was proud of that line.

They're like Yeah. Well The audience will How do we get them to find the penny? Yeah. Who gets shit? How great these pockets are?

Yeah. In time. Is just shitting through this whole movie as he, like, looks like he's out of a fucking magazine or whatever. This movie is just a big front for, for the company. Monogatari?

No. For for big pockets. Has has even the guy who wrote this book about time travel not time travel? Does that dude talk about how Oh, he did it once. He did it once for Yeah.

He just did it once for the 15 hundreds in Italy. Felt like what was an in it was an instant. Yeah. Fifteen hundreds of And he the way he felt afterward, he was like, I may never I don't think I will ever try this again because it took so much out of him. So he was just so exhausted.

Like, it implies that that Christopher Reeve is just so exhausted after this whole thing. Gonna make you real sweaty. Like, it's just yeah. You're like, you're not gonna be covered in piss and shit and vomit and shit and and your own piss and just real sweaty. It is great.

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Piss. After he goes back in time is where I just kind of started to, The whole gag where he wakes up in the room and the woman's there in her is, like, getting ready and the guy shows up and he's like, oh, brother. And he has to hide behind the chair and then just slips out. And the guy's like, where'd the guy go that was in my lady's room? And he's like, oh, he went that way.

I would've got him. And the guy just goes back in the room like this whole thing is. That was classic Clark Kent. That was his Clark Kent moment. Yeah.

I remember, like, he was He's a foe. I would've I would've I would've stopped if I don't and then, like, slammed in the face. He had to like that. Yeah. Sure.

He had a full I mean, yeah. He's he's not nerdy Clark Kent. I mean, there are moments where he's really bad in this movie, in my opinion. Yeah. I I think, like, the movie's not super well written.

So I think at times, the actors are doing their best with not great source material, maybe not great direction. I think overall, the actors are doing a good job throughout. But it's like it's like Christopher Plummer. You hear one time until the, like, the end of his story arc, Christopher Reeve says w Fawcett. Does it ever establish that he's not her dad or her lover or her agent?

Because I wasn't sure. Because it said one time until it gets to the end of Christopher Plummer's, like, story arc. It's also, it's also in one of the books that he reads in the library. I wish I knew. His pictures.

Yeah. I it it sure is. Wait. W f faucet or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. Some other old pervert probably. W s Hot Pockets. Yes. Hot Pocket.

Hot Pocket. So she's doing a play at the hotel. Yeah. It's a touring production. And she's, like, about as famous as you can be before talkies, which or silent films or whatever, before films.

Calling them talkies now. Talkies, Yeah. No. When they just played the music with them. See, John Berezco.

Yeah. They sit on the side, the little pianist with the The nigga is. Now they're all talking on stage. Talking on the side. It's good.

It seems like she was as famous as you could possibly be. Mhmm. They made a very big deal of it. Are we so deluded by TV and the Internet and all this other stuff? I feel like I bring up even people, like, we brought up on this podcast.

Stanley Kubrick to be they're like, It's one in four, one in five know who he is. Even people that say I'm a movie person. Alright. Think of somebody from that was famous at the height of their fame or whatever sixty years ago. I like Cary Grant Mhmm.

Or what have you. Those people are like, who the fuck is that? That's kind of where we've come to to a point. And so it's weird to me that he's a playwright. He's very successful.

He's had good amount of success over and he didn't know who she was. Right. And so it's like, oh, he seems like a student. He reads War and Peace for God's sake. This guy's like a student of the theater as well as just literature in general.

But that's because her career He's no nincompoop. That's because her career didn't go anywhere after 1912 because she became horribly depressed and became as, a recluse. Yeah. But she was also there were books written that she was in, magazines, publications, things like that. She was part of a national touring group.

I mean, I but I can but, like okay. Well, I guess this is in the seventies, so it's hard to translate to now. But I mean, can you how many of the famous It's hard to translate to French. It's hard to translate to How many people besides Charlie Chaplin to It's hard to translate from novel to How many people from can you think of besides Charlie Chaplin? Can you think of?

Almost no one. But that's what I'm talking about. But this is But but now we're forty three years removed from that. Yeah. So it's just one of those things to to kinda think of where it's like, should he know who she is or no?

It's just a thought. Yeah. No. No. I get that.

Yeah. I mean, fuck. I don't think it matters. It doesn't. All that matters is that That theater's a small world, but You know, it's it's it's it's as if it's as if you saw up To zip your your Steve Martin, planes, trains, and automobiles and you just got picked up by the balls.

It's as if you saw a picture of Marilyn Monroe and you were like, oh, man. I wanna fuck that girl. And then you just sat on your bed and thought about it. I think I can. I think I can.

The character was originally based on a theater actress named Maud Adams that Richard, Matheson had a boner for and based this character off of her. And part of why he named the character Richard Collier. I I knew I was like, I was like, the Richard thing over there. This is just what I've read, but I And he's a writer. And by the way, people love Bob and Mark yelling out Richard and People love this movie.

Who? Boomers. Duh. Just like what dreams may come. Boomers The boomers are the problem.

No. The Grand Hotel does Joe Biden loves this movie. Yes. The Grand Hotel does a getaway every year. Hundreds of people go.

Wait. This is a real hotel? Yes. Where is it? It's on Mackinac Island.

You made that up. No. Where is that? It's in Michigan. Okay.

I it's on, like, one of the great lakes. This is what I've read. This is my understanding. And but it's just, like, this is a big deal to some people. Like, it's interesting going through comments and kind of seeing people's feelings on this movie, and just people love the idea that people love romance.

People love the idea that people will go through anything for love. See, I I guess? I think I think my problem though, which I think you are getting from inferring from how I am reacting, is that I didn't get this as a love story. I got it as a fucking horn fest. Yeah.

He's a complete and total, like, creepazoid. Yeah. He's a stalker. Completely and totally. When when they first meet, it gets very, like, I He's a Billy Hoyle.

I am going to Billy Hoyle again. It was He's a musician. It was very uncomfortable of just, like He's stalking her. Yeah. And it's very uncomfortable.

And and Uncomfortable is how I felt the entire time. Yes. But, like, all of the actors are like, okay. Here we go. Mhmm.

All the way through. And they swim with it. I mean Also, the costumes are fucking great. The are you him? Yeah.

Okay. The first yeah. Would that ever come back? It is, the I I can sure. I mean, he meets Elise and it's like we're forty five minutes in and they finally meet each other at appropriate ages, I guess, or whatever, close ages.

And it's Jane Seymour, like total classic babe. She knows who he is. Immediately, are you is it you? Is what she says. Yeah.

Is it you? And he responds, yes. And they just are, like, kind of standing there knowing who the other person is. But it wasn't for her. She wasn't knowing who he was.

She was asking that question because of what, Christopher Plummer's character says later on. It's something that he brought up with her years ago that eventually there's gonna be some guy that tries to take you away, and you should be terrified of it. Okay. Is he And that's if they could bring that up. Is he a psychic?

Because they Why does he know that? They infer imply whatever they go. No. They they infer that. He has some sort of clairvoyance or foresight.

That's I it meant something completely different. No. I get what you're saying. It was like, man's bad and they'll ruin your life. No.

No. He was gaslighting her because yeah. She's gonna be a star. If some other man gets in your life, you're gonna you're this is never gonna happen. And he wants to he wants to push her all all the way to stardom so he can get that money.

Yeah. That was the But she says, is it you? But that's She says, is it you? Because he sees an attractive man. I was like, oh, it's But that you the one that I such a I've been hurtful.

Sure. Like, is it all based on gaslighting or is it? That's the thing is there's no clear answer to this question, and this comes up online also. Oh, they they say it in the movie. That's they talk about it.

That's why I was trying to bring it up right there. But it's also, like, is she saying that to every guy who ever ties to you? Like any guy that has like piercing blue eyes and like a bulge or whatever. Chisel John. I wouldn't put it.

Pants too and clearly I mean that's the thing. I mean like did she I think guys have come before. Guys have tried before, Christopher Plummer said. I mean, at some point, she probably said it to Christopher Plummer, and he was like, oh, no. I'm just using you, doc.

Like, I don't love you or anything. When she says that later, but I like, in this moment, I'm double happy this guy showed up. Because I just see Christopher Plummer. He's full on turbo gentleman mode. He's, like, killing on sight.

With that cane. Straight up is like Turbo man. And and again, like, in the beginning, I was like, what's his relationship to her? In the beginning, sorry. My first viewing.

I thought he was ago. I thought he was her. Somewhere in time. I thought he was her husband at first. Yeah.

Or some sort of, like, manager who was also, like, obsessed with her or Yeah. We don't know what sure. This is part of why I had to watch it a second time. And it yeah. Like, this were, like, is it is he a is he a pervy man who's who's trying to, like, get in with that while, like, trying to make him famous?

Yeah. And they keep Even though he's following he keeps following them and, like, it's just music. And again, it's like so much of this movie is just people walking places or sitting places and staring at shit and music. When the once they travel back in time, this movie lacks Also Stakes. Goddamn it, Boris.

What the fuck does he Stakes. Yeah. It has those stakes. It feels like a dream. What is he eating at breakfast?

I just remember I don't remember what it was, but I remember watching that scene where he's, Christopher Plummer's Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, what the fuck is he eating? He's drinking milk.

Yeah. Just milk. Yeah. Milk. And it was an assortment of breads.

And, like, a porridge? This is this is a pressing question I have. Because he follows them and then they, like, he sneaks into dinner and we walk by all these people. And we get to see my favorite character in the movie again, like, the the boisterous, like, European lady who's like, oh, you're out of fashion. Look at my pink underwear.

She's the But you found the lady. It's so good. She's right over there. Yeah. Like, everyone's so rude to him like the theater director when he's looking for a lease and he's like, you got a message, I'll fucking tell you, you piece of shit.

Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. He goes into the dining hall where dinner was gonna take forty minutes and it took about that Yeah. To be able to get to dinner.

And, this guy says, it's that nincompoop who auditioned for Hamlet. Is it? Is he the guy? He signed the guest book. He's been there before.

Was he the nincompoop? Wait. He's been there before? No. He hasn't been there before.

I think he's in a time loop. I think this has all happened before. I think this has all happened in infinite amount of time. But you're asking if he auditioned for Hamlet in a previous time that's not within this time loop. Okay.

Yeah. Sure. That's fair. I'm not That's not that was my that was, like, a fair enough. Just applying more logic than the movie.

I was just asking a question. Okay. I You can attack me. That's fine. I'm not attacking you.

I just I'm just trying to I'm trying I'm trying to get attacking me. No one's attacking me. I'm trying to get to what what you're saying. I was, like, I was just trying to understand. Also, never trust someone who says there's no need to be afraid of me.

Never ever ever. Nope. Never ever. There's so many there's some sort of cringe lines, especially, like, uncomfortable dance. Uncomfortable.

The entire movie, I was uncomfortable. Yeah. It's more uncomfortable sober. It really is. And I I feel like And when he keeps saying I know everything about you and doesn't quite up I mean, I now when this movie came out, were was was this stuff just as cringe?

Probably not. As we see on Letterboxd, as we see on, like, IMDB comments or Amazon comments or the fact that, like, festivals and shit are put together for this thing, people fucking like this thing. That blows my mind. It's that people It's shocking. There are festivals for this movie.

This is not It's shocking. To role play going back in time at this hotel. Oh, simpler time before the great war. They really just go there to pretend like they're traveling back in time and then they talk. Yeah.

That I mean, that would be more interesting if they're just going to, like, dress up in the forties outfit and fuck. Yeah. They pretend to go back in time. They get a hotel room, and they just fuck for three days. And then they they go together again.

She tells them no at a point. She goes, no. And he's like, that's cool. And just keeps leaning in. Yeah.

Yeah. Like The only thing that got me through was, like, it's Christopher Reeves. So I was like, ah, you sure he's so mean? He doesn't mean it. That I was like, oh, I'm just saying that.

I'm, like, I'm cringing on myself right now. To your point, he's got this aloof Clark Kentiness about him that, like, kind of at times works for me. That's the only reason this movie isn't a one star movie for me is the look isn't terrible for me at times. Costumes are great. Furnishings are pretty solid, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

And the actors are really giving it everything they fucking have. Like, they really are, even in the shit moments. Those cringe he can't move. Where it's like, is he the one William? Is he?

Christopher Plummer is like Christopher Plummer is like, you tell me, which, like, I guess, like, I really wanna believe that he just is. It's felt like to me, they try to float the idea that he just knows that he's psychic, that someone's gonna come. And that she And he's gonna try to prevent it at all costs. Yeah. Yeah.

For her own good. But it I guess now that you mentioned this, it more so is that he is saying you are not gonna be successful if you let someone hold you down. I will only lift you up in your career. Mhmm. Someone will come along.

And he doesn't answer the question where she says, is he the one, William? Mhmm. He wants her to tell him. Because if she tells him he's the one, he can just be like, I'm just gonna have this guy fucking stabbed and thrown in a river instead of like tied up. Exactly.

Here's the real question. Was he right? I think he might be the, like I think he might have been the killer model. Quasi good guy. Like the quasi good guy.

I think you like He's looking out as he gave the right idea of the benefit. He was right. Kind of. He this man He sets within control, baby. This man destroyed He's obsessed within control.

Kind of a dope one. Destroyed her life. And his own life in the process. Yeah. This this is a horrible, horrible movie.

But at the end, he's still wearing that suit, and she still accepts him. So But then he couldn't be better. But this is a yeah. He dies in this pale This is where he can't control. I I control all much, but I know I love you.

With the plumber character, there's so much set up for, like, there could be some real decent conflict that happens. Let's raise the fucking stakes. Let's have some conflict that make this more exciting. And it just it doesn't like, I kept thinking because I didn't remember, and I was like, I remember something goes down. It just it didn't it didn't Christopher Plummer is menacing in this movie.

Yeah. Christopher Reeve is not menacing. He's just like a handsome charismatic guy who's like a playwright that you assume has soft hands. I know this is They wanted more obstacles and conflict to happen in this, like, middle. That's all on the writing, though.

It's cliche, but, like, Christopher Plummer understood the story. Keep trying to elevate it. Yeah. Yeah. They are doing their best, but it's it this is a bare it feels like this is a bare bone script with, like, in your like, what you're saying, Paul, like, the acts are baffling because it doesn't really we don't really have the sort of, like, like, rising action that, like, takes place in a common story structure script where it's like all these things are even in a romance that happens where you have the rising action of, like, all of these moments and there's a moment where everything is lost.

And in this, it's like everything is just fucking lost at the end, and that's the that good goodbye. The ethos of the movie is pretty rough. This is another one of those movies that should kind of have a bit of a trigger warning like What Dreams May Come, where you come in and you're like, It's it's even the moment where Christopher Reeve ends up sleeping on the porch in his suit and gets up and shakes it off. He's tall. He's strong.

He has great control over his body. And this is part of the thing, like, watching this movie, where you see this very talented actor that is a large, powerful man who is like a pilot and an equestrian and an actor and all sorts of things. And it's just like, fuck, dude. This is the moment where I'm like, man, you know, had this horrible accident and ended up becoming, you know, more of a philanthropist and advocate than he even had been. But it it's just another thing where it's like, fuck, man.

This movie is already rough. And this is just bringing me down and down and down. Yeah. Before he checks into the hotel, after the morning where he sleeps on the bench Yeah. He goes and shaves in the public restroom, and he comes out and that other man enters and goes, astonishing.

That was Richard Matheson. Woah. Burris with the I beams. Way to go. That was Richard Matheson.

I didn't know that. That had I was like, you brought up the sleeping on the bench. I was like, oh, oh, tidbit. Tidbit. That was great.

And then he goes ask for a room and he gets $4.20. Before that, I do the breakfast thing, the Chrisoff. The Chrisoff. The Chrisoff. This is a Chrisoff.

Yeah. It's one of the better scenes of the movie for me. Sure. It's someone's eating, which is kind of difficult and drinking and what have you. It's staged well.

The people around them, it looks nice. Christopher Plummer is wearing a white suit here, and he's like, you writer scum. You're not gonna get the booty. Look at my white suit. This is my fucking breakfast suit.

And, like, very soon after, he's wearing a black suit. How often and easily does this guy change clothes? And sometimes, what time of day or whatever is like, wait, how much time has passed? Where are we? I mean, the thing that baffled my mind when I got to the end of this movie is that three days That he lost four twenty?

Come on, dog. Only three days passed. Feel a lot longer. I feel like there were four or five nights in there. Like, there was a night on the porch, and then there's a night he spent with Elise, and that's it?

Because he comes back on June 29. Yeah. He gets married, sleeps he sleeps on the porch. He has a night in the hotel. Room.

And then he has a night with Elise. That would be three nights. There's only two nights that pass because he gets there on the twenty seventh. Two nights in three days. Got it.

Yeah. Because he watches he sees the play on the second night. And but that's not when they Yeah. I yeah. I'm still trying to get I'm still trying to get over Christopher Plummer not being part of, like, the fucking psychic friends network.

That he's just like a gaslighter. Side note, when she says, William says we shouldn't see each other, and he says, William Fawcett Robinson? And it's like, yeah, what other fucking William do you guys? What? Like, come on.

Do this. No. No. Bill Shatner. Yeah.

Give me a break. Who was alive in 1910? Yeah. Probably Yeah. About.

I know. Not important. We can cut all this out. There had to have been three nights because it was I feel like there was a night on the porch. The night of the play where he then they disappear.

They you know, and he gets he gets then he spends the night in the barn because he gets beat up. And then she goes, Richard. And they run together and they embrace, and then there's a really weird lovemaking scene. And then it's the next morning, and they're eating breakfast, and she says, we're getting married. Right?

And he has that really weird response. He gets there at 6PM. On June 27. So it's technically been, like, about three day like, it's been approximately There are at least there are three nights. Seventy two hours.

Yeah. It's been less than seventy two hours. I love that. Or about seventy two hours. Can we get out, like, a big board?

Can we not worry about the time? Can we do, like, a cork board and, like, in yarn and just, like, start yeah. This is like Charlie. This is like Charlie. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. This means something. Okay. What do we know about Elise McKenna? What is she?

What do you mean? What is she? What does she what does she do? What is her career? Oh, she is an actress.

What is she not? She's not an umbrella. That is correct. Cool. Cool.

Good. And then I feel like you can name almost anything here, but I'm gonna tell you one thing she's I just I don't know I don't know what okay. Okay. I don't remember what I'm not a doormat. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She this is one of those moments where I feel like those actors are doing pretty good work. I don't always love the content.

Mhmm. But the actors are always, like, they find moments. And or the director has assisted, but I think these are fine actors mostly doing pretty decent work when she gives the monologue during the play. I was just gonna bring that up. Like, when she goes off script.

Right. And we get this lady from Sudden Impact, Dirty Harry four directed by Clint Eastwood, arguably best one. My favorite. Some great shots in there. I hope somebody you know, who knows?

Maybe we talk about the crazy right wing, dirty Harry series. But you kinda believe she would be massively famous at this time because she's so good. She gives the monologue and it like, it's she's very good. People at that time, I think, would be even more massively afraid to go off book Mhmm. Than now.

No? Well, you see the re you see the reaction of the her scene partner. Tell me more. And then just lets her do it because she's like, I don't know where to go. Like, you see that moment of stage fright in the other actor.

Scene partner, good, great, wonderful, amazing, incredible. To be an actor with this per that has a big enough fan. Small part in 1912 with this massively famous person to go, what else did he say? And back up and let that person just have it. That says a lot about that person.

I personally think I think this costar person does a great job. Mhmm. Yeah. I hate this movie. I feel like the more we talk about it, the the lower I'm sinking.

Let's take the famous photograph. This is one of the moments that kind of works because they would take a photograph after that. Fine. We take this moment that grounds in reality somehow. Where did it come from?

Why does it have this aura or whatever? Because she's smiling. Well, almost like Mona Lisa. What is she smiling at? We have this question answered if it were the Mona Lisa.

She's smiling at him. Yeah. So this is a connection that we have. The photographer is like, give me energy. Give me cute.

Give me give me something good. Pull your boob out. Titanic. Yeah. But she smiles, which is hornier, this or Titanic?

That's the real question. When we do the other concept on Patreon, we'll discuss which is fortier between and longer. If this movie had the foggy handprint, then it'd be very hard to I don't know. The sex in this movie and the intimacy in this movie is not good. The open mouth kiss, I do not like.

The kiss is so awkward. I hate his soul. It's so awkward. That was another very uncomfortable moment of the kiss. Even when she's delivering the monologue, which she's pretty good at, she delivers it directly to him, and I don't like it.

I don't like It was like they it's like the director told them to cheat out while they were kissing. Welcome to the So they're like Welcome to ASMR, the podcast. And they only got one take of it. Like, we're good. That's enough.

I hope It was not good. It was not like that. No. This this matter this letter that comes to him to Christopher Reeve after the monologue, it's like a a moment of life and death, and he's gotta meet the faucet man at the gazebo, which, like, was sent by some sort of official courier, was notarized, registered with the library. It sounds like that sounds like a code word.

It just spelled Meet the faucet man at the gazebo. I I I just I am not a fan of the Again, were they just they missed the moment of conflict where we could've seen, like, the struggle before he gets tied up? They just cut right past all of that. The the first time I watched this movie, this was the moment I was like, oh, he is the manager. Like, this is part of why I had to watch it a second time.

Well, how high were you is the real question. Extremely. And then he wakes up to the sound of again, but this time it's a horse. Hired goons. Hired nincompoops.

I hope the crusher and low blow didn't hurt you too badly. But either way, like, they beat him up like Jack Johnson nineteen diggity 12 style. And rode off on their their their their bicycles with one wheel that's really big and the other one. Bebop and Rocksteady. I hope someone brings Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and ask to regular or menthol.

No. The OG, dog. Regular or menthol. Christopher Plummer is the godfather To a decision. Christopher Plummer is the godfather of gaslighters.

I mean, he's he this is where he says He left. Yeah. It had nothing to do with it. Yeah. He We're leaving in an hour.

He bails and he doesn't anticipate this woman's gonna be madly in love with some guy after a day that she hasn't confirmed to him because she seems to think this guy is clairvoyant and confirms everything. Also William said you would come. You would assume as famous as she is and as beautiful as she is, she's probably accustomed to getting, like, creepy stalker dude shit. They talk about that. They said, like, in the beginning of But not in those great hats.

There are a lot of good hats. Yeah. Yeah. No. We've watched so many movies with good fashion except Predator.

I was gonna say I dislike the fashion a lot in What James may come. Jacket though. Yeah. I know you talked about that jacket. Richard Mathieson was ahead of his time in terms of fashion.

Fashion he was very fashion forward. Oh, wow. They called him Fash Mash. He sure is. Fash Mash.

Nobody called him that. Sven's like, we're gonna be done with this. Okay? You should've seen his you should've seen what he predicted. Fun.

Good. To, Balan this this year? As far as Balan, the fashion show? Wait. What?

No. I'm not watching that. I'm not watching the World Cup. Richard Matheson was at Oh, you're wanting a yes, and, and we're just crushing. I'm just sorry.

I'm going over the point that he's fashion forward. I was saying yes. I'm sorry. I lost the thread. This is your podcast, and you win.

I know you do. Thanks a lot. Wow. Yes we do suck. Yes.

What else? And and What else would you like to say? And This is content these days. You know what? You can take that big red ball and just shut Arthur, you take that.

I get so sick of seeing Arthur as a child. Again, he reminds himself when he's from. He sees this child all the time. Yeah. It the child's not stamped nineteen o five or anything like that.

But he's very he's a reminder of the guest book is a reminder of, but the penny is the thing because it says $19.79. Yeah. Mhmm. I guess. I guess.

That that you know, when you start to break down the because it's like he had to have gone back. It's a time loop. In time. And if he didn't He had to have known that going into it because otherwise, she would have never said come unless he thinks that he can change it. How how is he not able to ever get back there?

Because when he gets back, he is so desperate to. His mind is clouded. That's just a destroyed city right now. He is destroyed. I mean, he gets beat up by hired goons.

Yes. Bebop and Rocksteady. And he gets bound and gagged. He breaks out from the horse stable. It was sort of See, this movie is horny and very kinky.

I don't wanna kink shame here. I'm not kink shaming. No one's kink shaming. I have no k. So He got he got he got tied some really good knots.

Put on a tan suit and let me do stuff to you. Also, how bad must that suit smell at this point? Oh my god. Oh, he wore it every day. Yeah.

Every single day. They commented on that it was an old suit, but they never commented on why are you only wearing that suit? Yeah. I kept waiting on that. I kept waiting for that to come.

Wouldn't have he been like, how much money did he bring? He could have been like a millionaire back here. He should have just like Easily. He's had many plates produced. None that used He should have just taken all of it and None that will be graced by miss McKenna.

But think about it. If he had brought all the cash that he owned or at least a lot of it and brought it back with him, he could have just like been I'm surprised he didn't, like, ask for, like yeah. When he went to, like, the shop, I was like, I'm looking for $19.12 or looking for coins, specifically 1912. I'd be like, I want $30 of cash from 1912. Well Yeah.

Or earlier. He could've done that. Because then he could've come in there just like He could've done the the whole sports all day. He could've done the sports airplane act cash. Easily.

Another reason why as a time travel movie or like and it's just completely built on romance or tries to be built on romance and it just comes off a gross incel traveling through time to be like, I mean, Bruce. That's what I'm I was like, this man is horny. He will not accept nineteen seventy nine vagina. He can only have 19 Like there's some sort of magic at play at this in this movie or something. He's being pulled in some way.

Clearly that was lost in translation. When did they finally have sex in this movie? How deep into the movie do they finally have sex? The end. How deep into the sex was this?

The end. When after after he beat up minutes in. He gets, yeah, he gets beat up. He goes back to, the room. She's checked out.

He talks to Arthur's father. He's like Oh, yeah. They checked out. Again. And then and then goes outside, and you see him, like, wallowing against the pillar.

And then you see her walk up, and then she yells She finds him so easily because who's gonna miss the man in the tan suit? Neither of them left the property. Yeah. The giant suit. Yeah.

Well, the theater leaves and she stays because she's like, I'm gonna find him and find him in the apartment. Meet on, like, the zig zag staircase. They have sex finally eighty eight minutes into the movie. And it's like What move how deep into the movie was it when they talk about getting married? Eighty nine.

Yeah. 89 is But the sex the sex And she's like, are we gonna get married? And he laughs at her and he's like, of course, baby. That's very Which is how you asked? That's very Romeo and Juliet.

It's so bad. The sex scene, though. The penny. I'm just the sex scene with them talking with, like, torso up or, like, chest up Candles. It looks like they're doing, like, the mirror exercise in theater.

Like, I want I Yes. They were just staring at you. I wanted them both, like, to bring up a hand and do the mirror. That's what I thought was gonna happen. I want the movie to end.

This is the loop that never ends. This is the leap that never ends. I did have a very, very You had, like, a visceral reaction here. Well, when he looked at the penny, I that's when I laughed. Yeah.

He's defending the suit again. For quite a while. Somebody pockets. Look at all the pockets. And he pulls out a $19.79 penny just going full.

Tunnel of it. But now she's general Zod. She's general Zod trapped in the phantom zone. She's straight up general Zod trapped in the phantom zone. That that special effect, 2,000,000.

That's where half of the budget went. I'm just fucking with you. But we're trying to figure out where the budget is for this movie is. It's all in that suit. It's all in suits.

It's all in the cast. I bet you it's also her taking over that hotel for, like, twenty two weeks. And paying the cast. Cast. For however I wonder how long they it took to shoot this film.

This could have been a White Lotus. Oh, is anyone watching that? The Garrett season? Me too. I'm enjoying it.

Same. It's very interesting. He's got rich people problems. Am I right? Mike White is a very funny writer.

I ran into him in Venice once. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I just saw it. We were both in the same, like bodega or whatever.

And I said, oh, hey. I don't wanna bother you. I just wanna say I really enjoy your work. So now a non cringe famous person run-in story. And he said, oh, thank you so much.

I appreciate that. And I said, have a good one. He said, you too. That was it. That's awesome.

Nice. I've been like, The School of Rock was a pivotal movie for me, and I really enjoyed it. Great movie. Oh my god. Oh, yeah.

I love Orange County. That was a really pivotal one for Orange County. Do you know When I I was 61 when that came out. The director was on Survivor. Yeah.

And the Yes. In the first and then the Nobody knew who he was for a second? Yeah. But in in the in the first episode of season two, the two women on the beach or the three men on the beach They're from They were contestants on the survivor. Okay.

That was all. So the penny Yeah. The penny The '79 back to 1979. And okay. And we all agree this was an accident that he had the penny.

He didn't have it there in case of emergency. Complete accident. My question for Paul is what emergency would require a $19.79 penny? Someone's, like, pointing a gun at you for some reason. Like So that he would go back to you.

Don't be a dick. Well, I thought you meant, like, he could use it as, like, currency. We're like I was like, what if what if it comes up that he needs to plead for his life and has to say, like, I'm from the future. I have proof. So he had to not he did not know the penny was there.

Like No way. And so he okay. So he comes back to the present without the pocket watch. So now she has the pocket watch back in time. And you remember her commenting on it, like, that's a really nice pocket watch.

Where did you get it? And he was like Yeah. The pocket watch is coming up too. Oh, wait. So you're saying where does it start?

Where does the pocket watch start? It you don't know. That's a good question. She gives it to him, but he gives it to her. Yeah.

And she gives it to him, but he gives it to her. Who did it it's it the egg. This movie is about the pocket watch. It is the villain. The the the pocket watch isn't What if that's Chris villain a is Christopher Reeve, villain b is the pocket watch, villain c is Christopher Plummer.

So I feel like within this script Victim a is Arthur, victim b is a way so I'm very familiar with, like, I'm sure you two are as well, but, like, classic Twilight Zone. I'm not super. Well, like Fairly. But you understand there is a there is a common running theme Rod Serling in baby tongues and Yeah. And typically there's Meredith.

There'll be a theme of sort of, like, somebody getting their comeuppance Mhmm. In some way. A character flaw that leads you to getting this sort of comeuppance in some way. Yeah. And I thought if you if there's a version of the script where if Richard Matt which is Richard Collier.

Collier, because it's the writer, is maybe more of like a womanizer or or if he's got some sort of character flaw like vanity or something within this sort of realm of self obsession or something like that break that breaks down as like he goes back in time. I don't fucking I don't know. I'm gonna try to rewrite the script in a better way. Sure. But, like I can't as long as you can try.

Stakes in the middle of it with some conflict. Yeah. I mean I mean I mean, it's gotta it's gotta it's gotta do that thing. It's got to to to make this movie work. Relationship.

But to make this movie work, it's gotta do the thing that Facts the Future does care about it. Where there's a chance that he might Not exist at all. Right. But there's gotta be there's gotta be some sort of sci fi stake in there where it's Yeah. Their love is not something that is transcendent of the the Back to the Future, like, Marty's cool.

He's a nice kid. He skateboards. Like, he's not rich, etcetera, etcetera. He you want his parents to get together and his life to be better and their life to be better. They seem like nice enough people or whatever.

These people just generally suck. Yeah. I don't know. There's a scene where the father takes the red ball away from Arthur and puts it behind the desk and then Christopher Reeves dad's gonna kill him. Yeah.

And so and then Christopher Reeves gives him back the red ball. I'll kill you. So my okay. He gives him back the red ball. Right.

And I wanted that to be then, like, when he comes back to the like, he Christopher Reeves, the the reason why Arthur keeps getting in trouble, And then when you come back to the present after that petty comes back, Arthur's not there anymore because his father killed him as a child because of Christopher Reeve giving him that fucking ball. What is Arthur's time loop? Oh. That would've been a nightmare. What is what is the worst thing what is the worst thing someone does or whatever in this movie?

Physically, actually says or does. Not like, somebody's a stalker or, a womanizer, a misogynist, or this or that. What what is the word because the the worst thing I can think of is that Christopher Reeve is mildly rude at times. Like, no one does anything, like and he gets punched a couple times at the end. Again, there's no conflict.

No. Plumber are no states. Plumber's rude in a in a very Protective gas lighty guy way we find out later. But I The thing it's like, have we missed much other than the very end where I think was he able to eat or was he too tired to eat? I think I He was too busy he was too busy.

What more questions do we have? He was too depressed to eat or drink. No. No. He was too busy.

Exhausted? No. He was in the makeup trailer. All of that pale getting all that pale pink. The white pale patchy makeup is so And then for that yeah.

When he Arthur, he's doomed vampire. This man just wakes him up in the middle of the night. All he wants to talk about is, like, hey, kids come here and fuck, man. He's doomed to be, like, woken up in the middle of the night as an old man, a single. Find this dead guy.

He literally to play with his red ball. Where did where did he put all of the stuff inside of this hotel room? Oh, you mean In the closet. In the closet. Closet.

Everything? Yeah. The TV, everything. Well, it was a multiple Everything except it was a multiple room. That were It was a multiple because there's, like, a living room, and it was a suite.

Yeah. Yeah. So he put he he left everything was he took everything out of the bedroom and put it into the other room, but he put his own personal belongings in that closet. Think after he disappeared, like, on day one, there would have been, like, a housekeeper who went in there or someone to be, like Yeah. They probably just thought that he was there.

The maid says he hasn't left in days or whatever. Because, like, once he comes back, he's then in that room for, like, a week. That man Right. That man That's for, like, dead. Yeah.

Okay. Does he choose to die or does he die because he's so, so tired he can't even get up? He dies my my thought he dies of depression of a broken heart and just, like, I can't get back to her. Like, that state where, like, you know, like, heartbroken He doesn't even want to eat. You can't you're like, you're even trying.

Yeah. See, I think I think he dies of blue balls. Yeah. And that he didn't actually come to, Decision? A decision that night with her and he was going to do it in the morning.

Oh. So he never actually got to. Well, what's the the final message I get from this movie? When you die, you are reunited in some way with your ultimate love. Death is way better than life.

Die. Life sucks. Life is full of pain and longing and bad scores. Get out of here. This movie, it tries to live in too many worlds.

It's fantasy versus reality, logic versus reason. It's good looking. It's well acted. The score is okay sometimes. Mostly, it just wears on me.

I don't know. What if what if when he died and he, you know, sees Elise MacKennigan? I wonder if he sees her from the back. And he, like, goes up and, like, sees her and is all happy and turns around and she's the old lady again. And it does, like, a jump scare.

Yeah. She's like a skeleton from this song. Much. He's like, I don't I don't want this. She's like, we can have sex again, Richard.

And he's just like, and that he's actually in hell. I would love it. I would love it in Freddy's glove. Like, pull it down. Got you.

Either way, are we gonna rate this bitch? Burris, what do you wanna say? Oh, man. Do you wanna defend this anymore? No.

This I defend. I haven't defended. I was just trying to get the points across of this movie. I mean, you've brought up some things that have made me consider some stuff. Paul, you defended this movie more than Burris You watched this movie twice.

Here's the thing. I really like Stop using that valid information against me. I like the cast of this film, and they tried The top three both are great. I like the Rachmaninoff song. The rocks in this?

I feel like that's the only thing that's I think that's the only other part of this movie that actually kinda makes it feel like world class. Somewhere in Time starring Dwayne The Rock Johnson. If they remade this movie, I would totally watch it. I would love to see how they would steal it. Steve Martin as WF as Lawson.

But I feel like that song is the only other thing that, like, makes an effort. As Elise McKenna. The rock the the song that song, the main theme song, I think is, like, the only thing that, like, makes this movie feel like a romantic movie. Because otherwise, it's very cringey. But, like, you know, like, but the is the only thing that, like Makes you feel like it's about love and not The movie is very reliant on the score and music throughout.

I like the cast. I like that song, and I like the idea the premise is interesting. It does not work. Do you think the book is better? Kinda wanna read it now.

It has to be. The book has to be. I'm so curious. I watched this twice. Raise your hand if you're gonna consider reading the book.

I'm very curious. I have a question. I'm like one of three. Are we talking about the book or the novelization of of the movie? Not Is that real?

I don't know. They were making novelizations of the Fallen is not by chance. Novelizations of all movies at one time. But rating going back to the rating, I give this movie a one evil pocket watch. You were down.

I went I went down. I because like I said, I like the cast. I like the premise. The idea that this movie if you give me, like, the tables like like, he's traveling through time and this how he does to do this, that's really cool. Seeing it, it it doesn't it doesn't hold up to that idea.

Okay. And it doesn't hold up to what I remember the nostalgia that I have for it from, like, seeing it as a child. It's, you know listening to me that you like it as a child. Kids are so dumb. Such a boring slow movie for ten years.

Dumb shit. Because I like time travel. I was like, I also was like, I'm a romantic. I was like, oh, cool. It's about look great.

Oh, I know. But just like it's just so slow for a kid to enjoy it. I it's weird kid. That's, like, 90 but this is 1995. So, like, I mean, think about movies then versus now.

Nowadays also fuck yeah. Nowadays, like, movies go, like, you can't hold your attention span for fifteen minutes. You know? Well, I mean, this movie asked for a lot more Oh, I know. It's exactly.

Oh, I know. I know. But I'm just talking about how how film has changed Yeah. From then till now. But also Even in the nineties.

Like, some movies I watched from that are were made in the nineties. Like, god. This is so I don't know. Movies between an hour and thirty five and an hour and fifty, I can name so many great ones. Oh, yes.

But still, like, there are some movies like, I remember liking this. Why is this movies feel so long before it? This movie why this concept this podcast exists, though. I think I'm I think I'm ready to do it. Five stars.

I gotta say, I gotta talk over this ad a little bit because I didn't know this ad was gonna come up. And now some of the audio is set up by you. But I gotta I gotta make sure that I do this, properly Mhmm. Okay. Minus the ad, which we're not gonna cut down.

Do we have the rights? Oh, no. Not at all. But I'm gonna talk over it a little bit, and it's gonna be really quiet. Great.

I wanna give this movie credit for a couple of things. Okay. It has a high concept. And I do really enjoy stuff that swings for fences, especially if it's gonna be a sci fi or fantasy, hard sci fi or not hard sci fi fantasy, however hard fantasy it is. I commend some of the actors like, you know, there's some Scott Bakula level work in some of this stuff.

Like, it's not bad. That's high quality. Yeah. Dude, I love Quantum Leap as a kid. I still think a lot of it is very good.

I think I'm ultimately though with Burris here. I was giving this movie kinda like What Dreams May Come, a little too much credit. There's nothing that is an example of anything that someone should consume now in this movie. This is fifteen years behind No. Fashion.

Nobody should watch this movie. Uh-huh. No. I am going here's the thing. I was able to sit through it twice.

Amazing. It's like I feel like a god amongst men. Like like you are I am Superman. It's like if you want it's like this is like a movie if you watched it like four or five times Sure. You've entered another dimension.

Yeah. And you're like, I can see through time. Yeah. But, this is it's it's a penny. We're in we're in a single cent here.

I'm gonna go down by a half. Yeah. I'll say that, I, you know, I started, this podcast with, two tape recorders, and I've gone back to that moment in time and rethought about that. And just like the movie, I only am going to use one tape recorder. Almost as if I always thought I was going to.

This came down a full two stars if we do the math and put everything together from where we started. It feels like not enough. Yeah. I to me, the fact that you gave it two to begin with was a bit surprising. Like I said, I I laughed.

It's hard to find much that's redeeming in here. I do wanna say something. Okay. Go ahead, Paul. As we've always said, movies are hard to make, etcetera, etcetera.

Mhmm. Burris, you fully took the concept of what this is, something that you embraced to whatever degree, for whatever reason at a point in time. I love that you said the piece, about how I love that this movie took a swing and ended in a weird negative whatever way that you can interpret it in one way or another and really challenged yourself to say, what do I really think of this? What is this? Put it in front of two critical people that are gonna kinda go at a lot of this stuff, but also bringing us something that was not lovely to consume, especially, like, a couple times, it wasn't great microwaved or fresh.

There are so many movies, but thank you for bringing it. Yeah. Thank you. It was so easy to talk about. It was really hard.

Much to talk about. Picking a movie was really hard for me because, like, you say, like, bring a movie, and I think of all of film. I'm like, okay. Because I watched a lot of movies. And then Well, you fourteen forty eight, this movie actually came up because someone brought up the book because I didn't know it was based on a book.

Brought this up? Tell them to be on this podcast, please. That kinda sparked the idea, and I was like, and I wanted to bring something out of left field. So Okay. This was far this was out in the this was in the parking lot.

Yeah. That's what that's what I wanna do. I was like, alright. I remember this movie with nostalgia sense and, yeah, let's let's do this. This was the fail Mary if we're making sports analogies where it's like, oh my god.

This came out. They everything about this is amazing. Who knows? But, like, woah. I just appreciate you, like, really embracing the concept of the podcast and being willing to reevaluate something that you held dear for whatever its reasons at whatever point in time.

Oh, gosh. You should bring me back for the next month. I have because this is down to two movies. I have two movies. Both equally, probably as Before you say this title of the other choice, I was gonna say, at some point, we will have repeat guess, and I thought this went so well.

So save save it. Oh god. Oh, boy. Okay. After this, I I also just appreciate it's so bizarre.

How bizarre? The how bizarre. Oh. The crossover of the Richard Mathison, the crossover of, like, the kind of Juilliard blah blah. Like, the crossover to all these crossover things that were happening throughout was just, like, kind of fun.

And, Way to go, man. Thanks for bringing it. I I hate you. Yeah. I feel like both of you guys are, like, upset with me.

Maybe maybe you can hypnotize yourself and take yourself back to before you watch the film, and then just go forward from there. Maybe I will try that, and instead, I'll just die in my bed alone and depressed. I guess I must be really dedicated to this podcast having watched this movie twice because I didn't enjoy it sober or sound. Just didn't enjoy it. Because I didn't know how Burris felt, I wanted to be able to really talk about this.

In case I had to, like, be, like, I need to bring this guy down to my level or it was like the gaslighting instead of him being psychic thing. I just wanted to be open to where are we at, what did I miss? I mean, I didn't know how I was gonna feel about this movie rewatching it. So, like, because I was I love that. And so, like, I brought like, once I told you guys what film I was doing, I was like, oh, this might have been a mistake.

I I'm so glad you're willing to admit that. I was like, oh, this is gonna be because for a moment weird they're gonna give me some shit I asked. Sales. And I was like, that's okay. That's why that's kinda why I picked it.

I was like, I wanted to do something that was take you by surprise. McFadden and I had a conversation for a moment, like, how does he feel about this? And McFadden was like, I don't think he likes it. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I am I just I I have a memory of the movie of of a I have a positive memory of the film, and I was like, how does that translate to watching it as an adult?

It doesn't translate. No. No. I like I like the positive memory more. You could have held that positive memory, but Oh, I should have gone through this entire podcast.

Like, no. This is the greatest movie of all time. Well, there you have it, folks. Ben Burris That would be one of the greatest Somewhere in Time as of ever. The greatest movie of all time.

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