InnerSpace / Just The Facts (Guest: MJ Sieber)

Join us, in the...sarcophagus? We're kicking "Ben's Blockbuster Bonanza Summer," in a...small way?! Our fabulous guest Actor/Director/Writer/Artist MJ Sieber, is on board for an odyssey through the body in "InnerSpace" (1987 Dir. Joe Dante). Starring: Martin Short, Meg Ryan, and Dennis "Start the Reactor" Quaid. Question: Is it better to have kids that shrink down, or blow up? We take another visit to Mark Cherry's House in 'The 'Burbs,' of 'Wisteria Lane,' via the circulatory system. MJ gives us our most thorough Logline to date. And, straight from the heart,  do you have any thoughts on the movie "Frequency?" 

*This episode is the same length as the episode subject!

Plot: A test pilot is miniaturized in a secret experiment, and accidentally injected into the ass of  a hapless store clerk.

2hrs

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

We're sort of loosely trying to keep to that but Super. You you shine the light. Yeah. And I'll follow. Hi everybody.

Welcome to the review review. This is a movie podcast. My name is Ben. I'm one of the co hosts of this podcast. I'm Paul.

I am the other cohost of aforementioned podcast. And this is Ben's big blockbuster Bonanza Summer. It is. We're right in the middle of it. Doing summer blockbusters and we have a guest with us today.

It is the great MJ Sebring. Oh, baby. Hey, that's me. We always have great guests. There's no exception here.

And MJ is an actor, director, filmmaker, and someone who I call a friend. I call you a friend back. We never, like, holler friend at each other across the street or anything. I mean, I've seen you across the street. Ben and I do all the time.

We're super good friends. We're very close. That's close to normal guys. Too. Normal friends convince people that they're friends with somebody.

It's also how you make friends, or anyone. New friends. I'm doing great. Do you find it's hard to make new friends as you get older? Absolutely.

Totally. But I also find that when I do make new friends when I'm older that I had a conversation with Keiko the other night. We were watching some terrible movie and, we were like say you had a dead body on your hands and you had to pick, like, 5 people to help you figure out yeah. Like you like oh, no. It was Rob a bank.

That's what it was. Rob a bank. That I'm not the other thing I was like, yeah. I'm with you. You're with the other dead body.

But now I'm kinda lost. And I was like, could I actually think of 5 people that I could be like, oh no, I'm so sorry, you're wrong. It was if your child had been abducted and they came to you and they said Your marriage rules, by the way. Keep it. Though it's all the same conversation.

If your child had been abducted and somebody asked for a ransom, but you couldn't call the cops, would you go alone and how would you do it? And I was like, I would go alone, but I would bring 5 friends and I bet I could think of 5 people that would help me do this. The monster squad? Wolfman squad mad. Yeah.

So one of my new recent friends, I was like, I think he's on that list. Well, that's awesome. Now back to the dead body question. Yeah. I feel like one person, because 5 people seems like you you're really crossing your fingers that nobody's gonna care.

Inevitably, you're gonna end up with more dead money. Man. This just became a true crime podcast. We just got another dozen of listener. Well, this isn't a true crime podcast.

What is this podcast? This is a podcast. I know. Great transition there. No.

It was good. This is a podcast. Did it. Yes. I'm the greatest.

This is a podcast where our guest brings us a movie that's 7 years or older, something that they want to revisit, something that they are passionately about one way or the other, and we all watch it. And we'll come together, talk about some facts, talk about the movie, and see if our, opinions on that movie have changed in any way. There's only one caveat to this type of episode during this part of the year. That movie had to come out during the summer. And this one did.

Get out in July. In the thick of it. July first. I don't know what movie was that. That movie is inner space.

As opposed to outer space. Yes. And we're gonna talk about that a lot, but, MJ, first I'm gonna ask you, what have you been up to? That's a great question. Thank you.

And that's a stalling method. I, I've been acting in some shows. I did a show up in Seattle earlier this year that my wife wrote called The Bed Trick, and that was awesome awesome fun. A very big success for Brad. I really wish I could have seen it because I saw the reading down right.

You did. Yeah. And loved it. And we didn't mention that Keiko was on this podcast. She was the reading Earth Girls Are Easy.

Twice, bro. She was our first two time guest. Because we lost an episode. God. But Earth Girls Are Easy, porn porn for kids.

Yeah. You watch a little porn at work. But I really wish I could have seen that. That's kinda bush. It was it was great.

I she wrote an incredible script and we had a great cast. Yeah. So we came back and now I'm, rehearsing for a show in San Diego right now called the Beauty Queen of Lanan. Nice. That's gonna be a backyard renaissance.

Then taking classes at the groundlings, and I just moved up through the improv lab, and I've graduated onto the writing lab. And we had a show a couple weeks ago, and it went great, and that was a lot of fun. Nice. Yeah. That's awesome.

Ben, me. What have you been up to? My sister is visiting and my brother-in-law, and I decided to treat them and go to the Warner Brothers lot tour Oh. Today. To a coffee at the Central Perk?

We get coffee at the Central Perk. We saw some batmobiles. Oh. You know, we got sorted into a Harry Potter house. Oh.

And you? Ravenclaw. Although it was very funny because she was like the woman comes up with the iPad, and she's like, so are you brave, ambitious, wise, or loyal? And I'm like Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Can you just pick one for me? And she was like she was like, so what would you call yourself? I'm like, well, I'm Ravenclaw. She's like, are you sure? I'm like, yes.

I'm sure. It was yeah. Anyway, it's one of those odds things where, like, I've been there twice since I've lived here. I've never been. Anyway Me neither.

It's like right in the heart of, like, the valley or whatever, especially in because, like, obviously, all of Gilmore Girls was shot over there. Yeah. Friends and shit like that. But, like, you go over there and you do the tour, and it's this weird thing of like you're a tourist in a place that you wish you were working Yeah. And everyone around you are tourists who don't know anything about movie magic and like being a little bit inside.

You're like, I I like, I I know how all this works. Mhmm. That's not that interesting to me. Mhmm. What's interesting to me is that I'm not actually working here.

I want to be. Answer me that tour guide. And then then you'd think about the tour guide and you're like, oh, they probably also don't wanna be doing that. They wanna be working here in a different capacity. And so I don't know.

There's like this is like the the the mind gymnastics of, like, this They might all be Kenneth Parcel. Maybe they just love the magic of television. Yeah. Maybe b to b. Maybe they're army hammer.

Yeah. Like they eat people? Yeah. Yeah. Like like the job at this is as close as they could get to the lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Hunter in disguise.

He's not the most transformative actor. But, he's giant. He is a giant. He played a winklevoss and a winklevoss. And a lone ranger.

So I think you guys might be a little out of pocket there. He can play many versions of them. Many winklevoss. Winklevoss. Winklevoss?

The Winklevosses themselves. Yeah. So anyway, that was what I've been up to. That was the right forming of that answer. But yeah.

Yeah. Paul? Watching a little bit of NBA finals because that's going on right now. Yeehaw. Oh, you're rooting for the Mavs?

Are they down too? I I would like the Mavs to win for whatever reason because I've always been like a very mild, like, Celtics. Like, okay, go Celtics. They're not the Lakers. But for whatever reason, I'm pulling for the Mavs this time and they're, it's not going well for them.

Yeah. So we'll see how it goes in the end. Been dabbling a little bit in some, like, writing research. I don't know about you guys. I know, Ben, you have.

MJ, I don't know about you, but, like, writing on spec is just, like, such a bitch. And I can't help but also kinda, like, break down almost, like, like, script supervisor, like, line produce and be, like, how much would this cost and whatever and, like, get into that pipe dream like you were talking about at WB. Mhmm. So sometimes it's just like it's a cathartic experience, but also sometimes it feels like self cat o'9 tails, Paul Bettany, Da Vinci Code style or whatever. Why am I putting myself through this when I can't stop?

The beautiful pain. Now it's hell raising. Watching that movie or Yeah. Pretty much. What?

Watching that movie? Have you never watched What am I watching? MJ. Yeah. What are you watching?

What am I watching? That was that was That was me that time. Segue. I've been watching let's see. What did I watch?

I watched Eric on Oh. Netflix. Benedict Cumberbatch. The Biggie Krabbe. I didn't like it very much.

Okay. I liked it at first. I liked the first episode a lot, and then it just kind of became so many things and none of them seem to work. Oh, no. But it is an original thing.

It's not like based on a book or a comic or anything like that, which is cool And rare. But it just didn't quite do it for me. Yeah. And then, okay, I did I have seen some things. I saw in the movie theater, I saw In A Violent Nature.

Oh. Go on. Wanna know about it. Yeah. Okay.

That I loved. Okay. Loved, loved, loved it. I don't wanna say anything about it because I didn't really know much about it myself. And the little things that I heard about it, I'm like, oh, I wish I hadn't heard that.

But it's just a movie that's, like, very aware of the 40 years of Slasher Friday 13th fight things that have come before it. That's my dream. And it and it really is like trying to do, like literally approaching it from a different perspective. I love that. It's I, yeah.

In the end No spoilers. This is not a spoiler. I'm not gonna say anything other than the end did something that just had me almost hyperventilating for about 20 minutes. Woah. And then when it was over, I was like, okay.

I think you did the thing. I think you did exactly what you wanted to do. It worked for me. It might not work for everybody, but I I thought it was great. I really wanna say that.

I'm totally sold on at least seeing it. And I wanna have a theater experience with Yeah. I think that's a good experience to have. Okay. I don't wanna wait.

No. Like, this is a tomorrow. Shut it down. We're we're going Will you go again? That word.

I would honestly say go again. I loved it. Paul, can you give me another beer? Will you pass in this very nice attache case? God, yeah.

It's a cooler. I feel like It's a cooler. When I was at Warner Brothers, they have It's not a cooler. They have the Mr. Freeze costume.

A little taste. I was the one in our tour group that was like, everybody chill. Don't freak out about it. You know what killed the dinosaurs. The ice age.

The ice age. Oh, man. And this is me running up to you on the screen here. Or this is me Arnold Schwarzenegger. And this is me on the screen here riding towards the camera.

I don't find it very funny. I feel like I bogarted that. Well, it's like, what the fuck are you saying? This is a Pegasus. What are you talking about?

He's just strong and beautiful and majestic. That's how Arnold sees himself. Oh, yeah. 100%. Did I cut you was there anything else you're watching you wanna talk about?

This was another, like, I have a couple of hours and I was out alone in San Diego, like, after a rehearsal, and I was like, I'm just gonna go see. I saw the Strangers, the new Strangers movie. I heard it was not good. It's not good. Did you like the first one?

Yeah. Yeah. And I tried to show Keiko, and Keiko's like, I can't watch this movie. I like literally can't watch a movie about people that sneak into your house and try to kill you. And I was like, what do you mean try?

And, so she couldn't watch it. She couldn't. She only got about 15 minutes in. Yeah. I think that movie's brilliant.

I have a weird story about that movie, but it it builds tension really well. It's, like, it's a solid movie. I watched that movie as a as a double feature with Citizen Kane while I was high on morphine. Woah. Just for fun?

My friend, our mutual friend, Ben Burris, and my friend from college, Vicky, we were all just taking really strong opioids and decided to watch The Strangers followed by Citizen Kane. Did you just tell me for the first time ever in the history of knowing you that you did black tar heroin and watched Citizen Kane? Well, it would That's like hardcore, bro. You should've, like, flexed that on me earlier. They were pills.

But I just remember, like, I don't remember much about that movie. So I was, like, maybe that's one I need to rewatch. I mean, it really is like a lesson in tension. And then it, you know yeah. I guess I shouldn't say anything about the end.

But the end just kinda like subverts all the tropes. Glenn Howerton is in it. In the new one? In no. In this in the first one.

Oh, I forgot that. Totally. It's so funny. I didn't even I wasn't even watching Always Sunny when I first saw that. And then Same.

Returning to it, I was like, wow. Here it is. But the new ones, no bueno. No. But it's also, like, part of a trilogy.

So I feel like they basically just did, like, a beat by beat remake of the first one. Well, then what's the point? Exactly. Yeah. Because then it ends and you're, like, oh, you ended exactly the same way, and then there's, like, a tiny twist, but it's not satisfying.

Certainly not enough for 2 more movies. 2? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'll be brief.

I watched Robo Duck. It is like a 6 hour documentary about RoboCop, and it kinda fucking rules. If you don't follow Paul on Letterboxd, Paul acts badly, his four favorite movies are regularly just RoboCop. They're all RoboCop. Yeah.

I mean, white man can't jump in RoboCop. It's like Oh, I haven't seen that movie in ages. Give it a whirl. I will. Give it a shot.

Swish. I saw that RoboDoc, and there was a great moment when, I forget who it was, some, like, prop master or somebody who worked the Oreo thing. Right? Where, like, it was just some some dude who was working on it, and it was in it was in, like, robo it was just him and RoboCop up on a up on, like, a scaffolding. And and Peter Weller just he was in character when he was Robocop, and so he would look over and he saw this guy eating Oreos.

Oh, no. And and at some point, he he just kept saying, like, Robocop wants an Oreo. You're not gonna get it, not unless you ask for it, Peter, Peter Weller, and he's like, Robocop wants an Oreo. And so then he like halted the day and like started screaming that Robocop wanted Oreos, and then the guy like shoved all the Oreos in his it looks like infantile behavior. Wait, was he like method?

I mean, he's Once Yes. Once he got in the costume, and he goes into this in the documentary, he was like, I trained in movement for fucking over 6 months. I did get sometimes it was 8 hours of getting in and out of this thing. And, like, once I got in it, I just had to be in it to be able to stand it. Because he was losing, like, tons of water away.

It was a 110 degrees outside it. Awful. Like, it the fact that that thing even got made and done at all Oh, no. And then considering it's one of the greatest artistic pieces of anything, as flawed as it is and whatever you wanna say about it, it's a fucking miracle. Also to mention, dude walks on water.

Robocop does. And I'm really like Oh, yeah. Of course. I saw when I saw it in my again, in my pretty sober, and at the end of the movie when Robocop walks on the water, I'm like, is this like a Jesus thing? And I rewatched that movie obsessively for, like, 3 or 4 years.

And now I watch this Robodoc, and I'm like, oh, well, here we are. You got lepers in there with a toxic slime guy. Right? So good, dude. Yeah.

That's great. I have to admit when you first said that, I thought you said robo duck. And I was like, oh, yeah. It's a Howard it's a Howard the Duck documentary. Oh.

Yeah. I think it'll be like a live action How he was a robotic duck? Duck tales. He does not know. Gizmo?

What's the what's the superhero? Oh my god. Yeah. The one wheel duck? Gizmo Yeah.

It thought wasn't it Gizmo? Gizmo duck? Gizmo duck. Yes. Okay.

I had to do the voice to And that's he's basically Robocop, but a documentary. Yeah. Right. A documentary about that guy. Now that I've gone over that 6 hour Robo Duck documentary, sorry to make you lose your breath, MJ.

Ben Yeah. What are you watching? I watched last night Unfrosted. Yeah. I saw that.

I I think the thing about it because it's the cast is crazy. The cast just keeps going, and you're like, what the fuck? All these people signed on to this. You can tell that Jerry Seinfeld thinks it's so funny. Yeah.

The movie is not good. I mean, it's like like the Willy Wonka world was the history of pop tarts or something. And you're like, but why? Like, what is what is the purpose of this? What but the jokes aren't funny.

Like, nothing's funny about that movie. I think Paul has his hand raised. Jerry Seinfeld thinks that humanity and society hit their apex when he was 8. Well, recently And and, like, that's what that movie said to to me. But that's what the movie said to me regardless of anything else.

And I, like, I I want you to make that point though. No. But, like, you're good. No. But outside of that, it was like, oh, this dude is really nostalgic for his early life, and I'm not really nostalgic for that time.

Like, it didn't hit me either. Like and I love absurdity and satire and, like, mhmm. It's also so crazy because, like, he didn't become famous for doing out strange, huge, outlandish stuff. Like, especially Seinfeld. It's not like a large big concept show.

It's like the fucking opposite of it. And not that somebody should just keep doing the same thing that they're doing, but, like, it's such a 180 from what you know him from, turning into this big wacky zany colorful thing. It just Which confuses me, because we're talking about Jerry Seinfeld from Bee Movie. Right? Because he was a big, wacky, colorful that's what I have a voice seen him.

Yeah. I was I've only seen Jerry Seinfeld in Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, yeah. That's where he's from. Yeah.

Oh, I remember that too. That said that that the theory of Seinfeld is that it's actually Larry David making fun of Jerry Seinfeld? Somebody posted that online. I don't know if I, like, tried to take credit for it. I hope I didn't.

But somebody said online, like, I think, curb is just Larry dunking on Jerry. Boom shakalaka. For many years for the most part. I'm, like, I think they're actually, like, very close friends or whatever, but also the idea of that is hilarious. But it's hard to that just makes Larry David so much more of a cipher.

I don't know. But I do think Jerry Seinfeld has not aged well in humor, general. I think Yeah. Yeah. He has an evolved There's a money threshold.

I think once you make upwards of $800,000,000, your sense of humor is like only other billionaires will think you're funny. Yeah. You have a very small niche. You Even some of the comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, which I watched all of, some of them were entertaining and then sometimes it became like 2 comedians talking about how much they hate the culture now about not being able to tell jokes, and you're like, woah. Woah.

Woah. It's such a fun argument. It's wonderful. So fun. I love I love people complaining why they can't be funny anymore.

Why they can't be offensively funny anymore. Right. Yeah. I look very fondly backward on most on Seinfeld seasons, like, 3 through 7. We we did a big rewatch.

We just kinda had it on the background for, like, a couple weeks while we were doing things. And I still really like it, and I but but also it's like I because I grew up, you know, watching it, I can't imagine that a lot of people now would enjoy it in the same way. Yeah. It is such a time capsule. Yeah.

Oh, no worries. Why don't you get why don't you give us some facts? Archaeology is the search for facts. Facts. I'll give you some facts about not outer space, but inner space.

It was a Goober Peters production Warner Brothers distributed and I think produced as well. Rated PG, it's 2 hours long. The budget was $27,000,000 adjusted that's 74,500,000. Opening weekend, July 1, 1987. Like, you feel like studio feels pretty bullish there.

Right? That's a primo date. $4,700,000. In the US, that's 12,900,000 adjusted. Final gross in North America was 25.8.

That is 71,200,000 adjusted. Final gross worldwide, same. Other releases this weekend, Adventures in Babysitting. Yeah. Solid movie.

Yeah. Weekend top 5, Dragnet, Spaceballs, this film, Beverly Hills Cop 2, and The Witches of Eastwick. Top 5 films this year domestic, Beverly Hills Cop 2 times. Platoon, Fatal Attraction, The Untouchables, 3 Men and a Baby. Other films from 1987, the aforementioned genius, Robocop, Predator, which you can find very early in this program.

Mhmm. The Living Daylight starring maybe my favorite Bond and Ben's very good friend, Timothy Dalton. Sir Timothy Dalton. Nightmare on Elm Street 3, The Dream Warriors. Harry and the Hendersons, is that your favorite nightmare?

100%. It's the best nightmare. 4 is my favorite. I'm one of those pieces of shit. Yeah.

You didn't know what you got into. Raising Arizona, Steven Seagal's debut as a star was in 1988. We weren't quite there yet. Letterboxd average on this film is 3.4. Hey, follow us on Letterboxd.

Ben, how would I find you? You can find me at rundmcbeemc. You can find me at paulactsbadly. MJ. I am not currently on Letterboxd.

We're we got one so far. I feel like with your amount of movie watching, you would enjoy it. I yeah. It feels like a blind spot. I feel like I every time I, like, graze over Letterboxx, I'm like, this looks like a good place to spend some time, and then my dog barks at I used to post things about movies on Facebook Mhmm.

Or Instagram, and it always ended up in Facebook, it always ended up with an argument. Yep. Because everyone just wants to prove that they know more than you. Instagram, I don't know. I feel weird about it.

Letterbox just seems like A lot of people seem to not care. Yeah. But Letterbox just seems like a place where everyone's doing that. So there's not it doesn't like some arguments. It's just kinda like, oh, cool.

This person liked the movie that I fucking hated or they, like, they hated something that I loved. I'm gonna go home tonight. I'm gonna Letterbox. Oh, I love that. I really am.

Okay. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor. That makes me feel good. Not yet.

Well, in a lot of times, like, you know, you'll write a review about something and occasionally you just you get a like, and that's a nice thing. You just feel nice. Like, oh, my review is good. Somebody liked my review, Fear City. And I was, like, fuck yeah.

That Tom Beringer movie rules. And then I bought it. You never liked my reviews, Paul. Well, that was awkward. Yes, it was.

We're smoking weed. Oh, I thought we were Cisco and labor. You wanna talk about. We live in California. Two thumbs up.

Touching those wieners together. 2 dicks up. Rotten Tomatoes, 82. Metacritic, 66. Major award wins and nominations, Oscar win for best effects for Dennis Murren, who worked on Jurassic Park and his brilliant team.

Yeah. And the Saturn award nominee for best picture and best director for Juan Joe Dante. Oh. Ben, will you tell me a little more about that one? Well, you know, the director was Joe Dante, Gremlins Hell yeah.

Which I just saw the Gremlins house today on the Warner Bros. 2 were lot. It's still there. It's still there. Fuck yeah.

Small soldiers Yeah. And the burbs which has another episode of our Buddy. Of our spooky season. Yeah. Love the burbs.

That's a nice little resume. I was taking the Universal Studios tour lot when they were filming the burbs. Oh, shit. When I was a little child. There was, like, a section that was blocked off.

And I remember them saying, like, we can't go in there right now because they're currently filming a new Tom Hanks movie called the Burbs. And when that came out, I was, like, so incredibly excited. And that's Wisteria Lane, I believe. This isn't Mark Cherry's house. It's a cul de sac just like Paul has.

Oh, it's true. I do. Oh. Writers, Jeffrey Bohm, r I p. The Phantom, The Dead Zone, Chip Proser, did a bunch of TV.

Gonna mention real quick too about Jeffrey Bohm, please. Last Crusade. Oh. Alright. Gotta mention it.

It's Why wouldn't you? Director of photography, Andrew Laszlo, r I p. First Blood, The Warriors Ghost Dimension. That's a wild movie movies. Wild.

Wild. Got him with the ghostly. This one? Wild. Very wild.

Do you think he ever just screamed at someone saying, I worked on No. Okay. Especially post 2010 or whatever that why does people come out up on this podcast too often? Because I make it. Thanks, Paul.

J e l l o. Jerry Goldsmith, r I p. Poltergeist. Rising. Deep rising.

And on this podcast, the mummy. We did that, and it's yes. Oh, yeah. We forgot to mention that, MJ Seiber is also one of Cornish's chosen sons. Oh, shit.

Where do you rank? Children. Where do I rank? Because as far as I know, it's Charles Norris. Oh.

Brandon Fraser. Charles Norris. Ben? Me. And then Riley?

How does the ranking work? You all know this. I think Riley might be right below Brendan Fraser. Woah. Because they're the same character.

They're the same person. Yep. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

Robots, man. MJ's up there. I'm not gonna put myself in this ranking. I'm gonna move myself. I'm putting you up there with Charles Norris.

You know what? I'm actually putting you all up there with Charles Norris. How about that, Ben? Your opinion means nothing to me. You're all fantastic.

Producers. Okay. I'll take that back, Ben. You rank last. Frank Marshall and Kathleen Kennedy, Congo.

Bad gorillas. I'm not gonna dance like your monkey. Bad gorillas. I'm not doing it. He wants me to say bad gorillas every bad gorillas.

Bad gorillas. I wanna say to the thing you're gonna say next, it was also Peter Goober. Go ahead. Peter Goober, John Peters, Batman 89, Steven Spielberg. He produced Real Steel.

Yeah. Oh. Starring Hugh Jackman. The movie that Steven Spielberg produced. Yeah.

That's what That's who we know him for. That's what you chose? That's what was there. Okay. What did you want me to pick?

When I watched that movie with That's what what came up first. When I watched this movie with my with guests of this podcast, Matt Barrow, we watched Real Steel. We were like, this movie doesn't have nearly enough robots fighting. We're steel. Everyone Not enough real steel.

Takes away. It's all CGI or anything. Martin Short plays Jack. 3 Amigos, father of the bride, Mars attacks. Meg Ryan plays Lydia.

Sleep is in Seattle. You've Got Mail in the cut. Dennis Quaid plays Tuck, movie 43 That's actually the reason I wanted to do the movie. Sorry. Let's let's go over the the resume nice and slow, won't you?

Movie 43, Undercover Blues, Gorp. Yep. All of those movies you know and love them for. Kevin McCarthy, RIP, plays Marv. Uhf, Invasion on the Body Snatchers, matinee.

Fiona Lewis plays Margaret, the fury, lithomania, the fearless vampire killers. Vernon Wells plays mister Igo. Igo. Yeah. Oh, mister Igo.

Right. Commando. I recognized him from the road warrior Yeah. And weird science. Blow off some steam, Dylan.

Robert Picardo plays the cowboy. Star Trek First Contact. Looney Toons back in action. Brendan Fraser. Brendan Fraser back again.

Back in action. I shouldn't say rock jocks. That's supposed to say something else. Well, you fucked up, Paul. Sure did.

Wendy Schall plays Wendy, missus Rumsfeld from the burbs. No timelines. Nice. Also, why didn't he choose her at the end? I don't.

I have my reasons. We'll get into it. Yeah. Harold Sylvester plays Pete, Uncommon Valor, Raising Helen Trippin'. MJ.

Sir. You should have some fun facts. What? I wanna mention too, MJ came loaded with fucking drinks and snacks and Oh, yeah. I'm gonna have a cookie now.

And I assumed wit, and he said no. I was right. The fun facts, babe? Oh, yeah. I can read these.

Fun facts fun facts everybody. It's fun fact time. I do have one, fun fact that I learned Oh, please. Because I was YouTubing. There's surprisingly little about I wanted to see, like, about visual effects.

I wanted to see, like, are there any, like, old breakdowns of how they did some of this stuff? And there really isn't that much out there. Yeah. But one thing, I saw this old interview before the movie had come out, not Diane Sawyer, but like comparable with like Meg Ryan and and Martin Short. And they were like, how did this work?

And basically, Meg Ryan was like, I thought I was just doing a scene with Martin Short. And Dennis Quaid showed up every day, I think secretly because he had a crush on Meg Ryan. Sure. But he showed up every day and stood in a little recording booth, and they put a little earpiece in Martin Short's ear. So he could read all of his lines into Martin Short, but Meg Ryan couldn't hear them.

That's great. And I think that really shows in the movie. I think it was really, really I agree. That's a beautiful way to do that. Yeah.

And I have a question actually for you all later on about how this was done. Oh. Every cell seen outside of the pod is made of Jell O. Jell O. I just thought it looked like little, like, chops of carrot.

Oh. Because it's like Yeah. The Jell O makes a lot more sense. You can see the heart of the cell count. Yeah.

Warner Brothers was very bullish on this film after early cuts. Execs believed that it had the juice to meet the likes of gremlins at the box office. I thought I had the juice. Nobody has a chance. The film was released over July 4th weekend, and was a complete bomb.

Oh. Yeah. One very rare VHS release presented the original widescreen format. Could you imagine watching this in not widescreen? Yeah.

That would be awful. I'm so glad they put this in widescreen on VHS. Yeah. No kidding. Yeah.

Watching this in full screen format, yikes. No. Thank you. Yeah. There's so much detail in it.

I just Yeah. Yeah. Robert Zemeckis from Back to the Future and Forrest Gump turned down the opportunity to direct this. Mel Gibson and Robin Williams were also considered for the role of Jack. I can't see no actors.

I can't see Mel Gibson. Oh, you can't see Mel Gibson for Tuck? I I can. I kinda Jack Putter. Right?

Not for Tuck. I could see Mel Gibson for Tuck. I can't see I can see Robin Williams for Jack. Totally. I can see Robin Williams for Jack if Dennis Quaid is still Tuck.

Yeah. I can't see Mel Gibson for Jack if Dennis Quaid is still Tuck. Somebody else has to be Tuck. Yeah. Mel Gibson just doesn't feel like as generous an actor as weird No.

Dennis Quaid turned out to be. I Mel Gibson, like yeah. Yeah. Mel Mel Gibson is just I don't know. The the insanity that he gets in lethal weapon specifically, it's just something so specific for that role that Yeah.

That That's a 100% what they were thinking in 1986. I will say my early interpretation of Dennis Quaid was he kind of gave me a young Harrison Ford vibe. I think that's what they were thinking he was gonna be. I get a Nicholson thing from him a little bit. He's got a tiny bit of a Nicholson thing.

I I can see that. The smile. I can see that. Yeah. But I feel like he took roles that were like a young Harrison Ford role.

Like that's a really good point. And then he did Great Balls of Fire and proved to everyone that he was insane. Dude, Winona Ryder played his cousin wife? Yeah. His 13 year old cousin wife.

Oh, my God. Just the facts. Just the facts. The face morphing, which was like I remember from seeing this the very first time, like, blew my mind, where Tuck transforms Jack into the cowboy, Martin Short into Robert Picardo. It was created by Rob Bowden from Robocop, the thing, legend, mission impossible.

That effect where he turns into and out of the cowboy. It's great. It's so good. It holds up like fucking it's diamond. It's done so well and they do it in such a smart way because when Martin Short is first turning into him, they don't show you that much.

Right. They show us like cheeks puffing out and then you just hear a bunch of stuff. So then when they do it live in person, and they think that he's like possessed by the devil. Such a good. Such a good payoff.

The film does not take place in the same universe and has no relation to the film, honey, my dear, I may have mistakenly had an accidental whoopsie, wherein I shrunk down our adolescent offspring. Oh, no. You know that one. Oh, no. Yeah.

Rick Moranis. They did change the title to blah blah blah where I accidentally blew up our adolescent off. Oh, it's true. They did the reverse. Yeah.

I still, to this date, think blew up the kid our kids is the wrong It's such a terrible title. Yeah. We blew up the baby. Yeah. It sounds like you exploded your baby.

Yeah. Really does. And I just don't think that nobody along the line said one question. Look who's talking. People think we're exploding children.

I'm like, no. No one would think that. This episode is brought to you by exploding children. Hey, O. Gentlemen, it's break time unless anybody First, we need to play a mean trick on MJ.

We do. I don't know. Do you have can you pull it up? I probably can do it quickly. MJ, I'm gonna do this because I you 2 had a really nice moment.

You you did a thing where you guys talked about each other's work and etcetera. So I'm gonna do the mean thing because I don't wanna break that break up that nice No. It's okay. Camaraderie. We should break it up.

No. No. It's getting too strong. I have no interest. MJ.

What's the log line to this film? The log line to this film. So give me the elevator pitch. Give me the 2 to 4 sentences. 2 to 4 sentences.

Okay. Bang it out. A down on his luck test pilot signs up for an experimental Dealie? For a Is that the scientific word? For an experiment.

Okay. Down on his luck fighter pilot signs up for an experiment that will shrink him down to microscopic proportions. But when a rival evil corporation wants to take control of the subject, he is accidentally injected into the ass of 1 jack putter played by Martin Short. I Together, they will defeat the bad guys. And while there will be no character development for Chuck Pendleton, Jack Putter, however, will take control of his life.

I that was a a wide screen VHS jacket back, but I am renting it. I'm buying it. I don't need to see it first. You got the whole log line in different pieces. Oh, okay.

Good. The log line is a test pilot is miniaturized in a secret experiment and accidentally injected into the ass of a hapless stork clerk. They actually say cloud ass on the log line? They asked Did you say cloud assless? Cloud assless.

No. They didn't say the word ass. That's a way to call me out. Injected into a hapless stork clerk. Oh.

Oh. The ass of a hapless store clerk is better. Right? The hap of an assless store clerk? Did you say hap assless?

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You're going to lobby that promise. Coming soon. Wow. So that'd be game triumph for you, Xolta. Like, there are some good things about technology that increase accessibility.

I don't know. I'm very excited to see what cine cinephile card is pulled My question is, does technology ever get us to the point where we're exploding kids? We're gonna find out in the ad what happens. You know, it'd just be so much easier if technology could do it instead of me. Some kids It takes a toll, you know.

Some kids Well, it's easy and there's earning it. Okay? That's true. Some kids you meet and you're like, god, you'd be so much better if someone just blew you up. Mhmm.

And not letting the rest. Okay. So in order to discover our sharing our original viewing of the movie, Innerspace, and our most current viewing and ranking Okay. We play a game of cinephile. Okay.

You will pull a card, read the actor's name on that card. It also gives you a movie, so you get a freebie. Oh. And then we'll go round the horn. 1st person to fuck up, will share their viewing, original viewing, new viewing, and ranking, and then we'll go round share.

I love this. I might be good at this. Oh, fun. Which which pile would you like? Can't wait to lose.

Or is there one or the other? Are they both they're just both They're both the same. You can pick wherever you want to from I like where you were fingering earlier. Thank you. Yeah.

No one's ever said that before to me. Okay. Find a nickel. Alright. I think I've got it now.

Cinephile. A card game. Okay. I'm reading the wrong side. Oh, great.

Okay. Matt Damon. Oh. Funny. You get to say the movie on there.

The movie is The Talented Mr. Ripley. I'm gonna go with another Ridley Scott movie, The Martian. I'm gonna go with The Bourne Identity. I'm gonna go with Good Will Hunting.

Born Supremacy. Born Ultimatum. Rounders. Fuck. Fuck.

Fuck. The informant. Thor Love and Thunder. Good one. Interstellar.

Fuck. Dogma. Ocean's 11. Chasing Amy. He's standing in the back in one scene.

Ford v Ferrari. Ocean's 12. Jay and Silent Bob strike back. Ocean 13. Fuck you.

You son of a bitch. Oppenheimer. Oh god. Damn. The rainmaker.

Heir. I'm gonna just I'm just gonna end this now. We all really wanted it. I just wanna end it because I'm thinking of the next Thor movie, but I forgot the the subtitle. Oh shit.

Actually the one that was Using Ragnarok, right? Ragnarok. That's what it was. I had no I was done. I got I got one.

Downsizing. Oh, nice. Oh, good one. Yeah. Wow.

I was done. Then there was, This what was the one that George Clooney directed? Oh, The Monuments Men? Yeah. He was in that.

Mhmm. But he's also in another one that he I think. He's not in Leatherheads. He's not in Ides of March. Sub is he in Suburbicon?

He's in Suburbicon, but that's oh, yeah. Did Clint did direct that or Yeah. I think he did. Yeah. But it's like a oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, shit. We did well, everyone.

Like, good job, everybody. More importantly, Matt Damon did did well. More importantly, Matt Damon. I'm not gonna find that clip again. I have no previous, viewing or This was your first time.

This is my first time viewing this movie. Interesting enough, I don't have the nostalgic pull. So I think that going into it, I already knew that. Like, a movie from this era, Joe Dante. Also, I didn't know anything about it really.

Like, Innerspace, I didn't know this was about someone going inside of somebody. 0 I knew that. I'm inside me. Yeah. I definitely did a clip of Meg Ryan saying, tuck's inside me.

And she sent it to Paul. I watched this, and I think the thing that I really like about this movie is Martin Short. Think if you don't have Martin Short in that part, I don't know if this movie works as well. Not even with Mel Gibson. You're my child.

You're my child. Well, it depends how how antisemitic is he being. Yeah. How is That's his whole shtick in the movie. You're my child.

You're my child. Damn it. And Martin Short Oh, exploded. I love Martin Short in this movie. And how many days was Dennis Quaid on set?

Who knows? Like, how many days did he actually shoot? He's in the he's in the same space. For most of the movie. Yeah.

Like, a week? I don't know. Like I don't that actually brought up I wanted to ask you earlier, because I don't have an answer, but I have a theory. Which part of this movie do you think they filmed first? Do you think they filmed little Dennis Quaid in his in his pod first, or did they film the rest of the movie first?

That's a great question. There's so many effects shots in this movie. I I did not look up if it was, like, did they do all the effects shots first, or was it all Would he need to see how was this built? Jack is seen in his little pod to react to it? I feel like he would.

Yeah. I think so too because there are shots where he's on his little computer screen seeing the POV Yeah. Of him through his eyes. And I was like, oh, they must have shot everything that happened in the pod last. Yeah.

That's what I think. Yeah. Did second unit shoot first of a bunch of the POV shit or something or was that, like No. I think they shot all the Jack Putter stuff and then they shot Dennis Quaid's Okay. Yeah.

Solo. Because that wouldn't take that long, especially if they already shot everything. Because then also Dennis Quaid has the advantage of knowing the way that they did everything already. Yeah. Right.

So that they can react to it. Yeah. You know? True. They're not adding in anything great.

Well, then maybe they Yeah. I mean, obviously, some of that is Joe Dante being a pretty fantastic director and, like, some of that is, like, yeah. I wonder how exactly is this structured and built and etcetera. I feel like that makes sense. Yeah.

So I came away with 3 and a half magic school buses. Oh. That makes so much sense. Cool. Good.

It is your turn, sorry. Alright. First saw this movie this is one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. Came out 1987, so that makes a lot of sense. We probably taped it off of like HBO or something, and I just watched the tape ragged.

It's also like it's a really innocent movie. Like, there's not like a there's no sex in the movie at all. There's like some kissing. And then there's like a vibrator attachment to mister Iger. What the fuck?

There's some man ass. Which is also a great little like Joe Dante being like something for the parents. But, I just remember absolutely loving this movie. And in retrospect, I showed it to my wife like a year ago or something. And I was just like, I wonder if this movie still works.

And in large part, it did. But I really recognized while watching it that I was like, oh, I think that my entire sense of humor is like, this is a huge part of it. It's, like, Martin Short in this movie. The character work, the physical comedy, all of it just, like, informed me at a very special age. I was probably, like, 10 or 11 or something when I was watching this.

I remember having a cousin come over and visit us, and, we would play one of those games where you get, like, a funny word and you have to define it, you know. And Calderdash. Yes. And I just kept putting down Latin for inner space because I wanted her to watch inner space. And eventually, like, everybody gave it and they're like, fine, we'll watch inner space.

And as you've been told it out of your back pocket. Fucking annoying, I must admit. So they just acquiesced and I was probably like watching them the whole time. So I loved this movie. In retrospect, viewing it again, it's not perfect, but it's so wild.

And the effects are great. Like, I don't think Yeah. The effects are great. It could really hold up. Any better if you did it today with CGI or anything because it just wouldn't look as actually like organic as it looks.

You know, the stomach acid stuff is like it's just incredible. But then I I also like watching it again. I was just like I'm kind of marveled at Martin Short more than anything. Mhmm. I just love his performance in this.

He really gets moments to be a leading man. You actually see a like, it is his movie. This is about him. Mhmm. Like Tuck Pendleton, first of all, that name, Tuck Pendleton.

It's perfect for what he does. Hilarious man. Yeah. He tucks his penis around like in, a sounds of the lambs. Yeah.

That's that was my understanding. Would you fuck me? Would you fuck my Pendleton Oh, I wish you were a very big fat person. Would you fuck me so hard? Sorry.

No. It's Give me a dog. Yeah. So I think I think it's all of that. I probably would give it I think I would go for magic school buses.

It's hard to do more. You can change you can change the You can do any rating system you want. You could just do stars. You can also do a bended. It doesn't matter.

Every performance in it is great. Everybody does what they're supposed to do so well. Meg Ryan is so cute, and she's so sweet. The character has issues as a woman in cinema in the eighties. But, like, she's great.

And you could just see, like, wow, you're about to be a humongous star. Like, Dennis Quaid is super like, he's alone for most of the movie, and he's so, compelling Yeah. Charismatic. Very charming. Very engaging.

Yeah. Question. Is this movie a Jack Quaid origin story? I Oh. They met It might have been him in that.

They met on this, and I think they both, you know, they both were endeared to Jack. Right? Mhmm. In the movie. So they named their child after Jack.

I think that's a great I love to think that. I almost went with that rating system. Jack Quay? Jacks. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Robert Picardo? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Come on.

Yeah. They do a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll go into it more.

Yeah. Yeah. We will. We will. Yeah.

Robert Ricardo is one of the great fun, like, character actors. I love him. Yeah. And he's like a Joe Dante guy. Like Yeah.

He just did so much stuff with him, and it's just, like, great to see him come back in such a specific role. Yeah. It's so weird and fun. Yeah. And, like, as you were saying, Joe Dante, people like Dick Miller and Wendy Shaw and all these people that show up a lot of his shit.

You're fired. Miller. That's right. Watch Robodock, everyone. Yeah.

So Dick. You're fired. I watched this on TBS the Super Station Of course. When I was but only applying for my AARP card the first time, which at that point you had to be 65. So I was pretty blown away by this though because the special effects and whatnot were very advanced.

You were gonna be the only You were gonna be the only 8 years old. And senile. But I had a really good time watching this movie. It's like a rousing adventure. We use the term Spielbergian on this a lot.

It doesn't hurt that he produced on this. Joe Dante is one of the absolute fantastic adventure comedy adventure directors to me. Ben knows how endeared I am to gremlins. We've done the burbs on this podcast and everyone really enjoys that movie. This movie, I watched it on cable or whenever I could when I was young, past that TBS to Super Station, viewing.

But I was never so blown away by it that I've, like, recommended it to a ton of people, or bought it as an adult, or anything like that. So for me, coming into this most recent viewing it was 3 and a half Hitachi hands. Mhmm. I think it's important to mention mister Aigo's Hitachi hand as we've already mentioned that he literally has a steely Dan hand at a point, that's vibrating for her pleasure. It's hilarious.

In a movie that's rated PG. PG movie. I just wanna say, Earth for a little easy. Also rated PG. Mhmm.

Yeah. PG movies. Porn porn for exploding kids. It's what kids like. I think I said magic school buses, but I didn't realize that I should be making my own.

You can you can make You can do whatever you want. Okay. Do you have an idea? I'll say 4 Sam Pokes. Oh, that's good.

That was good. Because that was that was a big part of watching this when I was a kid too because those songs came on. And my brother and I think really liked those songs, like, the first time we'd ever heard them. And my mom was like, that's Sam Cook. I have his record, and we still have that record.

That's awesome. And that was like this wonderful moment when my mom could just, like, share this thing from when she was younger. Mhmm. And, it just became such a big part of our lives. And, like, every time I hear those songs in this specifically, I'm like, oh, that's such a moment of my life that To you know?

Yeah. I love that you said that for a million reasons for everything that you've just said. But also I was with podcast guest Zach Zashki yesterday, and this song came on where we were. And he goes, oh, Interspace. And I go, why'd you say that?

Because I hadn't rewatched the movie yet. And he goes, this is in the movie. Because Paul sees through the matrix. I do. 111.

But then I turn thank you. Mhmm. I appreciate you being respectful. Yeah. I clicked the movie on and the the song it's such a great fucking song.

Mhmm. Good god. It's good. That, like, I don't think movies do very much. I never see a movie like, there's movies where it's, like, we have a special song.

Like, this is our song, and it hits at different points. People have different emotional reactions, but they like have an artist. Like, they love Sam Cooke. And they never say his name. You never hear that.

But, like, clearly, they play like 3 of his songs. The final credit song is like, an update of Twist in the Night Away, where I'm, like, why don't you just play Sam Cooke at the end? Yeah. I don't know. I do not understand this choice.

I came away from this viewing. I rented it on DVD from Be Kind Video in Burbank, which was originally recommended to me by 1 Ben McFadden sitting across from me. Thank you, Ben. 20,000 titles for your viewing pleasure. So It's a great place to go if you wanna rent physical media.

That was your name. And now it's 20,000. DVD. Yes. Widescreen.

Had a good time, looked great on DVD, on a, like, a 4 k TV, etcetera, which doesn't always happen. Like, they did this is a it's a good master of a DVD. It looked nice. I really enjoyed the movie. There's some things My brain's breaking.

There's some things that are it's like It's just going away right now. 15 minutes into the movie, I was like, did I miss something? Did this skip something? There's a little That's the same thing. A little bit of a, like, a, like, I dropped into something that it's not bad.

It's just like a little bit jarring. It's just like a wait, where are we? What's happening? And that's okay. I'm a viewer into these people's lives.

I'm like a pervert. Like essentially, like watching these people do their thing. This is the information that I get. So Can we just cut the part where you say I'm a pervert? No.

That's what that means. And then it just silence for 10 minutes. But I What was the moment? I I'm so curious. This one, I mean, I have no objective view of this because it was such a beloved thing that I ended up still loving that I can't objectively even understand Yeah.

What doesn't make perfect sense. What like, what which is a terrible, my part. You're good. It's just like there's not a lot of context or backstory that's given for many of these characters. Again, like, you're just, like, on the fucking journey with these people in this time.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, at points I was, like, did I miss something? Like, did something To me it was the experiment where I was, like, wait a minute. Okay.

Yeah. We're just jumping right into this wild experiment. We're supposed to know exactly what's happening right now. In classic Joe Dante movie fashion, like, you better be paying pretty fucking close attention to not feel that way at any point. Despite all of these things, I actually came up to, and I will admit, it's as hard as I can get, a soft 4 Hitachi hands.

Soft 4 steely dance. That's where I walked away. Okay. So we're at 3a half, 4 and 4. That's correct.

So overall a favorable experience. Yeah. Very solid. For me, I usually say a 3 is something that I enjoyed, but probably won't watch again. Mhmm.

And a 3a half is something that I've enjoyed and will probably watch again and probably recommend. Maybe even own. And 2a half usually is something that I maybe thought swung for something but didn't quite hit it. And I, like, found moments in it that I liked but ultimately will probably leave it. What are some of the worst ratings you've given to this?

In on this podcast? Yeah. I think the lowest we've gone is a half. Our very first episode of What Dreams May Come. Oh.

We both walked away with halves. Oh, I brought that movie. Yeah. No. That's a good one for this though because we're watching them being, like, I think I have to revisit this when I'm older.

I didn't have a very good day. When you watch that movie, you feel terrible. I saw that movie in the theater with my brother when I was, like, 9 years old. And my brother was, like, 13 or something, and my brother laughed through the entire thing. Yeah.

This old guy kept to the ring, like, would you please be quiet? And we're, like, no. And so that that was the last time I'd seen it. And so I asked, and we both walked away being like, this is the worst movie ever made. Terrible.

I had to go back and rewatch it. And I was like, oh, no. This is still one of the worst movies I think ever made. That one and Somewhere in Time Oh, my god. Our biggest shift was The Fifth Element.

Like Ben and I were on a ride. Somewhere in time we both came into or I'm sorry. 5th element we both came into as something that we allowed to do. 3 and a half fours. And then in the review, surprisingly, I came away like I A ton of tattoos.

This is a very good movie. Yeah. And it kind of, like, it really made me realize how much I think Luc Besson does not like women Or or really likes women. Likes the wrong age of Really weird. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a movie that I think we flipped the hardest on. That's a good one to flip on, though. Yeah.

I think so. Like, this was kinda as I've said before, the unexpected kind of side effect of this podcast has been like, yeah. But do you really like that? Because this. And it's like, oh, fuck.

Yeah. That's true. And that was the hardest like mirror shine Mhmm. On all of us. Like, Ben and I think have both have tried to be like, but hey, this, but that one was the one.

I think I had that feeling when I saw Ghostbusters recently. Oh, after The OG. The original. Yeah. With after, like, all of this Bill Murray stuff started coming out, and I just saw this video of, like, like, him on a on Arsenio Hall with with, Gina Davis, and they just done a movie together.

And she was, like, talking about Quick change? Yes. Bill Murray directed it. Well, that explains everything. Yeah.

In audition, he was just like he had his hands all over her, and he had his hands all over her literally in this interview, like, trying to, like, pull down the strap on her dress. And she was clearly so uncomfortable. And she wrote about this in a book. And and it was just so obvious what a gross thing it was. And then I remember I was, like, let's watch Ghostbusters again.

And I was, like, man, I can't stomach this anymore. I used to think this was so charming and funny. What if I was this confident around women? You know? And then you watch it in this completely new context, and everything just feels wrong.

Nothing felt super wrong in this one though. But should we start the movie? God damn movie. God damn movie. God damn movie.

God damn movie. And now, our feature presentation. Life as a house. Can I get a beer? You can.

Will you pass the attache? Yeah. I feel like a middle man. Thank you. I know right.

In a Bourne movie. I mean, look at the suitcase. I mean, it's pretty dope. Very impressive. The classic w b just like straightforward w b theme, straightforward logo in the clouds.

I do like the saw bass, the red background with the black with the white, the best. But this is it's nice. You know what you're, like, you're walking into. Mhmm. That wonderful shot in the beginning that looks like you're in some different planets Oh my god.

Or something, you know. It's alright. And it turns out to be like the ice in his whiskey glass. Isn't that great? It is great.

Really sets the tone. Good. Oh. Metaphor for the whole thing, you know. Yeah.

Good tone set. As, again, someone who came to this movie for the first time, that was a nice surprise. Mhmm. And it set me and again, I didn't know anyone was getting shrunk in this movie. Mhmm.

So, like, everything was a surprise for me. You didn't read shit. Which I'm sure was, like, I didn't read shit. I thought even by the title, inner space, I I didn't know what to expect. I thought we were still going Ant Man?

Yeah. Yeah. I I thought we're still going to space maybe. Like, I don't fucking know. So this was a utter this is probably like a exact opposite to MJ's viewing.

Yeah. Because it was the first viewing ever. This is how I experienced it when I was 10 years old. Yeah. Well, I'm not 10 years old, but if you looked at my penis okay.

Let's pull it out right now. Let's just do that. Let's just He exploded. It exploded. It's actually really cute.

Yeah. It's exploding children. But then This is the standard of what he's talking about. You immediately drop into this guy's like a pilot. Mhmm.

He's drunk. He's a loud mouth fucking braggart. He's like not likable. Mhmm. The fight that happens after his big monologue Yeah.

I actually really enjoy. Yeah. This chip on his shoulder thing, it's choreographed nicely. Mhmm. It feels very Joe Dante.

Yeah. Not to be that guy. There that's a hard thing to pull off. Man, you need the most charismatic, and like his smile, everything about it. You just it's he's despicable.

He's like drunk and blew his shot because of his because of himself. And To fly like stealth, type weapons at that point. I say weapons, fly planes. Yeah. And you never really know why he decided to become an alcoholic, but he just is.

I love when he gets punched out and he falls back on that table and all he says is shit, I spilled my drink. Dude, there's a drink here, man. Like, that's the only and I don't think he's punched at that point. I think he just falls over. Yeah.

Yeah. He does. He just falls over embarrassing himself. Yeah. But he's still enduring.

You still I know. You still are interested in who he is and Mhmm. Rooting for him. Yeah. Even when he gets pulled into the kitchen, which seems like a really bad place to have a fight.

Mhmm. Yeah. Right. Thought he was gonna burn his hand immediately when he puts his hand behind it. Working in here, man.

Yep. Like It's not cool. This is a place that he's looking for, man. I know there's there's hot water boiling or steam, but he does have a babe. Like and I mean a babe in Meg Ryan.

Like, he has but she's fucking taken home. She seems fucking done with him. Yeah. Which she should be. Totally like This is a very much of the last straw of She's done babysitting.

Yeah. Because she's over it. Porter, and she's, like, trying to get the scoop from some military men, and then he just kind of disrupts the whole night. And yeah. And it seemed what I really appreciate about this is, like, we're we're jumping into the middle of a relationship or the end.

But, like, we're not they don't give us but they don't have to give us too much to for us to understand there's a big history here between the 2 of them. Well, and this is mostly in my opinion to her credit. She's so great at the nonverbal acting shit and also putting little buttons of, like, I'm in pain at the end of things that she's saying and doing. I really I love fucking romcoms in general. I just really like Meg Ryan.

The goat of romcoms? Period. She's she's fucking amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

She has that great speech to him about I just don't I forget the exactly what she says, but it's it's so simple and in the wrong actor's hands. It could have just been very cringey, but it's so earnest. And she's just like, I don't like myself when I'm with you or I don't like having to, like, take care of you. It's way more poignant than that. But it's a very simple sentiment, and she just delivers it so well that you're like, I can entirely understand what's going on.

Yeah. And he uses what you were talking about, the Sam Cook song, Cupid, drop back your bow. And then dances with her and, like, seduces her. Like, you can tell she, like, has such strong feelings for him, but he's, like, kinda broken and is struggling with this alcoholism disease and whatever all he's dealing with aside from having a chip on his shoulder. But this is, like, where I get a little bit of that Harrison Ford stuff that you guys were talking about.

Yeah. Especially in the beginning of the movie where he's in these physical fights, the way he punches, the way he kinda wants to assert himself. Get off. My wife. The way he throws his foot on the taxi when he's in the sheet Mhmm.

And tries to get Meg Ryan to stay. There's a very Harrison Fordy thing about him, and look at the buns on that guy. Yeah. That's a brave moment. It is.

Another Dennis Quaid movie where he dances is frequency. Thoughts on frequency? Him and Jim Caviezel, that's when they got in the pocket, baby. A pair that is. That's when they got in the pocket.

That's a Jesus pair right there. Had an off off time in her English. Like, between takes, they're just like, so, Dennis, what do you feel about Jesus Christ? And Dennis is like, way out of you, brother. How about how do you feel about pizza places?

Terrible. They're the worst. Do you know what they do in pizza places? All your friend, little kids. Okay.

Cut this. But the the Reno 911 episode where the guy's like, building's on fire. He's like, you gotta save my screenplay. It's in there. And he's like, okay.

I wanna I wanna help you, but what's it about? And he's like, oh, it's about this guy. And he starts getting mail from the past, and it's actually from his dad, and then he has to use it to save his dad's life. He's like, I wanna help you. That sounds like the movie frequency.

And then the firefighters show up. Why did they cut this out? And they're you know, a lot of people are like, no. Don't go in there. Don't go there.

It's frequency. It's it's frequency. We've all seen it. It was fine. Oh my god.

That feels like an idea he had. Like, this is brilliant. And then, like, yeah, it's like frequency. I didn't even saw that. Really funny.

Yeah. Like, yeah. I think the guy in there was, like, I've never seen that. He's like, oh, well, you should probably watch that. Just let it burn.

So this is part of the problem of the movie for me. Now Meg Ryan is gone. What? Do you mind just skip to the end? To the very end?

For a while. For a while. But now we do get the addition of Jack Putter. Short. Yeah.

Which is great, which may which softens that blow. Can we talk about the names, Jack Putter? Like, they they I love the names. Yeah. They really did do well with these names.

Yeah. What was what was Lydia's last name? Does anyone remember off the top? She doesn't need one. She's a woman in the I like that.

What could she put a power lady? Do with the last name. Yeah. The last name And shoulder pads, anything. Her last name was silent.

But when when we get Martin Short and immediately, they establish exactly who he is immediately. And when he's at the doctor, he's hypochondriac. He's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No. I was gonna say and and his arms are, like, marble. But also his his hair is amazing. His hair is great, which I was, like, feathered leaf how old is Martin Short at this point?

In his twenties. Like, late twenties ish? Yeah. He must be. I was looking at just his, like, IMDB and he had he was in, like, SCTV and SNL.

SNL was, like, 84, 80 5 ish, I think. And then he did 3 amigos in 86. And that was like a big hit, I think. I love 3 amigos. But at least he was on this, like, trajectory.

So this was like the this was a big project for him, but he was also like a headliner. But this was a blockbuster project for him. This was Dante this was Dante post gremlins. Right? This was his first thing post gremlins.

It was a summer blockbuster. And that's the thing is people don't think of it this way. It was a summer blockbuster. For some of us, it's like an annual thing every Christmas. They're the absolute princes, kings, queens, and folks of mischief.

They're the greatest. Love them. It is also a movie in terms of special effects and practical effects that holds up like fucking diamond. Yeah. Yeah.

Even the go motion stuff. And so following up that movie with this movie, like, yeah. If you're Martin Short, you've got to be fucking stoked. Mhmm. Absolutely.

And we're getting to the experiment. Right? Like, we jump we just and that's the part where I was like, wait. Did I miss something? And I had to, like, rewind.

I was like, no. I didn't miss shit. It's one of the things I love about the movie. I actually love that scene watching it this time because I was really paying attention to, like, you don't know what the experiment is. Yeah.

You have no idea. And if you watch it, if you know what you're doing, man. But Tuck shouldn't be doing it. He's he's just the only one crazy enough to do it. This guy Ozzie who may not be an actor.

I'm not sure. Oh, the the scientist? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Wearing Nike Mac attacks like a fucking badass. And they do all these great little things where it's like he's going from station to station, and he's just talking about like paperwork. He's like, when did you did you not file this paperwork? It's so good. You know, and you're like, I love how they're taking you through this entire process and you and they're prolonging this thing for so long.

You're like It's a great shot. The fuck are they doing? Yeah. Yeah. And you don't actually know No.

Until he's like spinning around and he quantum leaps and Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ben, you didn't know this was about to happen. I didn't know he was getting shrunk. I love that.

That's so cool. I had no idea. There's a part of me that's, like, the multiverse. I thought maybe he was, like, going into another universe. I had no fucking idea.

There's a part of me that's, like, why did I walk into this with a 3a half and not a 4? And how are you walking into 3 and a because it's, like, as a fantasy movie, at this point, other than Meg Ryan walking away in some of these other little things that, like, it's hard to just be, like, wow, this isn't firing on a lot of great cylinders, like even the when Tuck, he's like this devil may care pilot who like she kisses him for like a peck and then he takes her and grabs her when he's stopping in the stations. He takes a fucking selfie. Which I think is one of the first selfies in movie history. It's gotta be.

Are you asking why I'm at a 3a half? No. It's like why did it both of us walk? I I couldn't help but come up. Because I am thinking about it and I think That's the point of this whole thing.

Right? Totally. And I think that it is for me I think that the charisma of Martin Shorto is what keeps me engaged in this movie. I think with again, story wise in terms of, like, oh, a guy gets drunk and he's good to put into a person, it's a decent entertaining idea. Yeah.

And I think that, like, this does a pretty good job at it. I was thinking of, like, oh, contemporary versions of this are and there's no ever, like, a guy gets put into another guy unless it's a porn. Like Venom or Upgrade where some things came to my mind. But I I there's I think the thing that it is for me is that the storyline of this, like, corporation that's trying to take this, like, thing, it it does There's profit to be had. It starts to feel a little generic action movie.

Yeah. The villains are It doesn't it it doesn't but again, I keep coming back to Martin Short. And even, like, his relationship with Dennis Quaid, I feel like it's a really strong Yeah. Bomb. That's what that's what I'm entertained.

The the bad guys when they actually infiltrate the lab, is anybody else, like, think that's pretty fucking cool? Like, their gas mask and, like, the gas guns? Like, knocking everybody out? I I don't I don't know of anything else I've seen that's kind of, like, exactly or even super similar to that. It's cool.

It strikes a really good tone too for your PG audience, which is, like, you don't have to feel like they killed anybody. Yeah. You know? There's like they hit like 1 guy with a gun, you know? But nobody's shot.

Nobody's, you know, nothing like that. Well, not here. Yeah. Afterward. Oh, yeah.

There was some Dude, the scientist. Mhmm. The, Ozzy. Ozzy. Making the run-in the fucking Nike Mac attacks.

I gotta say it again. And the chips are the main thing. I think that was one of the things I was a little confused by. Why does the corporation wanna go after Jack? Or no.

Sorry. Not Jack. Tuck. They they they get the chip. Well, 1.

They can recreate the They they need both chips because one does one thing and one does the other. The other chip is in the pod. To do what? To reinviggen it. Never heard that word before I moved to Springfield.

I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word. It reinvigens the spirit. What I was gonna say about the bad guys is that I was I like the script a lot in a lot of ways. I like the I really like the structure of it really not being Tuck Pendleton's movie.

Because he doesn't, like, really grow. Like, I don't believe Tuck Pendleton's gonna stop drinking when this movie is over, you know? Yeah. And he'll buy that. He's like, oh, my my lady's pregnant, so I'll we'll get married because that's what I'm supposed to do.

Be an alcoholic till the day I die. But, like, you know, your main Beaufort Trump. Yeah. Your main character is definitely Jack. And That's why I put him first.

And he gets like he he's the one that has like real growth. It's a very interesting structure as far as the character piece because it's like not about the guy you're first introduced. It's not about the guy you spend the most amount of time with. It's like Which is always weird. Guy.

Yeah. Oh, what I wanted to say about the villains is that, like, I think about what this must have looked like on the page, and it must have looked so generic and so boring. Yeah. And then, you know, Joe Dante and, like, a production designer and a costume designer, like, what if we dress them all in white? What if we Mhmm.

Have them rent out a whole warehouse space, but they're only using a corner, and it's all pink light. Yeah. And I was like, that's a really great solve to something that's super boring on the page. Because like on the page, it was probably none of that was Yeah. Yeah.

I agree. Yeah. I like that this so, like, a lot of folks that I've met throughout my life, I say a lot, which is, like, I don't know, half a dozen. How many of those are your friends? Because all your friend look here.

That explode. But the the I love that Ozzie is like an athlete because a lot of these folks that I'm talking about that I've met are athletes, like they're yeah. I work in neuroscience or whatever and I also run marathons or whatever it might be and I love that he's like capable. He's like an obstacle to these bad guys that seem impressive. He runs out of the lab and then they Like a bullet.

Call to the dude in the sunglasses. I go. Mister I go. Mister I go. Mister I go.

It's mister. Mister You deserved that title. Sorry. Mister I go. He went to school for for He was somebody's mister for a long time to get that.

Nobody was capable of just, like, running running after him who was in the room with I was I was, like, how did he get out of the building? Yeah. He slipped out pretty quick. The next shot we see after he runs out of that lab, he's, like, halfway down the street running over a fence. I was Yeah.

Mhmm. And it felt that to me just felt very eighties movie. I'm not saying that you get against the movie. You don't need to justify it. Let off some steam vent.

I'm not saying that was a fun little But don't you like the stunt work there? Like, what do you do? I thought it was a funny little tedious action movie. It's goofy and the cutting is weird. Yeah.

But the chase sequence rules. Wait. Can we because we get in the middle of this, we get interjected with, our introduction to Martin Short. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is at the doctor's office. The doctor's appointment. And basically, we're discovering that he's a hypochondriac. It's great. And he has a lot of stress.

So quick. And there's that whole physical comedy thing of the bang on the knee. Great. He kicks up the table, and then he goes through the thing, and then he sits back down and slips right off. And it's just like, I was, of course, marveling at Marvin Martin Short.

Martin Short. But the actor who's with him, I was like, this guy's doing such a great job. The doctors This is fantastic. Is fantastic timing. Like, it's not just like they like said, let's wing it.

And they did it. Like, he timed it out to his lines, you know, as Martin Short is talking. He's, like, doing the knock on his back, and Martin Short is, like, repeating the same thing as he does it. Like, they rehearsed this routine, and it's, like It's about a it's about a so much fun to see. It's about a yeah.

Yeah. It's great. We should say this before we get too far into it. Martin Short is one of the most brilliant comedian actors ever. He's so he's so great with timing and physical comedy.

He's so brave. When you'll get some of that crazy shit he did on SCTV and SNL and, like, he's so great. Like, he is the best part of watching Jiminny Glick. Murders in the building. Yep.

We saw him and and Martin, Martin Short and Steve Martin do the, 4th July at the Hollywood Bowl. Wow. Very cool. It was great. It was like dream come true.

That's like interspace weekend all over, I guess. Meanwhile, Chevy Chase was just home masturbating. What the fuck? By himself. But he's got He's got just the 2 two of the 3 amigos anyway.

Sign on to his AOL account. He's cursing Dan Harmon. Fuck you, you fucking talented hack. You've got mail. The the chase sequence of Igoe chasing the scientist who's like running, hopping fences, gets on a bike, goes into a mall Right.

And all this other bullshit. And when Igo uses his little detachable hand that's later this fucking steely Dan to shoot the guy and like leans down at the kid who I think he explodes the kid's balloon and not the kid. Across the street. Yeah. He he the balloon in front of the doctor goes, but not that kid's.

No. But in the mall with with when Aigo's chasing Jack and The kid next to him. Or the not Jack, the scientist. Yeah. But the scientist, when the dude gets shot, it's a big deal.

He He fucking dies. Like that's again a PG movie thing. But that's like a really I remember because I remember watching this as a kid and I had the same reaction when I watched it again, which is like, he shoots the gun and pops the balloon and then Ozzy kind of goes around the way. And you're like, oh, he must be okay. And then it's not till, like, later you see him in the elevator and you see More blood.

Yeah. I just think it's such an elegant way to do something that isn't about gore or violence. It's like, oh, shit. He's going out. So he's been shot.

This is not good. With a bullet or was he shot with, like I thought he was shot with a fingernail? Like a fingertip? Like, if he blows fingers up? Some sort of, like Just coke nail shots.

Chemical. I don't know. It seemed like he I I guess I didn't see that he, like, bled out. I saw that maybe he, like, had some sort of reaction. But I don't know.

There's a red mark on his jacket. They they do it, like, very low key, partially But he knows you're going down, so he, he he shoots another dude in the ass. Yep. Shoots him right in the ass. Gives him the old cloud assless.

Mhmm. I almost gave this, 3 and a half butt shots. Almost. That's good too. It's a good way to do it.

Mhmm. He's inside me. But the what is his name? Tucks inside me. But the the way when Martin Short is there off the elevator in the mall and the ass injection happens, it get like just so much of the Martin Short physical acting is so And he's at the mall because he's under travel agent to go on a vacation To relax.

To relax. It's such a great little like, payoff. He has to relax. That's the only problem he ever has. He gets he gets someone injects him with something and then dies.

Mhmm. And he just goes to work. Yep. He doesn't go to a doctor. No.

He didn't call it. The hypochondriacs just like, welp, smell you later. Height of the AIDS epidemic. That's also my worst fear is a stranger just injecting me with something or poking me into the fucking needle. That's my worst fear.

So this movie, like, this is trauma bonding. A little bit. Also, I will say There's a little Stockholm going. Tuck looked like he was going in with a whole bunch of bubbles, which is not good. Ouchie.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there. Tuck's been shrunken down and he's in the syringe. He's in the syringe.

He's going inside of he's going inside of Jack Putter. Jack's going back to work at Safeway. And Jack has had this dream, this ongoing dream that this, like, woman or he's ringing things up and it rings up to, like, over a $100. Yeah. He has, like, foresight, like, a psychic premonition of this.

And it's all due to the Interesting. EMP inside of him. That's like I guess. Yeah. That's a fun series of events Yeah.

As as, Tuck Pendleton. Still, it's such a great name. I drive by Pendleton Air Air Base every night. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I'm like, oh, that's where that came from. I'm a military man. Oh, okay. Yeah. That, all the things that Tuck does to try to get in contact, like going with the EMP, right, That, like Yeah.

Freaks out the register? Yeah. And slowly as Jack is going about his day, he starts maneuvering to other parts of the body to clip into, like, the eardrum so we can hear Yeah. And then the eyeball. And it's just synced out in such a great way with Martin Short.

And you really do start to see I'm getting off track. No. You're good. How well that earpiece must have worked on Yeah. Absolutely.

When when he's in the waiting room for the doctor's office and he starts first hearing Jack talk to him, and on either side of him are 2 SCTV people. Yeah. And so I think they must have, like You suck you jackass. Yeah. Yeah.

They're like, how do you like, I really feel like they're like, do you wanna do this great comedy routine with 2 people you've worked with for 40 years? Andrea Martin and the other guy. I forget his name, unfortunately. Yeah. Doing that whole, you know, somebody helped me, I'm possessed, which I thought was the funniest fuck Oh my god.

Anyone had ever done. Like, in the Safeway thing too. Like, he's, like, getting blamed for this by the woman he he wants to date that he works with, by his boss. They're like, you're freaking out. You need to relax.

Because it's like, oh, he's crazy. Mhmm. Yeah. Need to, like, get rid of him. I don't know.

Fire him. I don't know what they're like I don't know why they're trying to blame him though. It's like really like, it's very funny Joe Dante, like, weird. He's very and he's the assistant manager? Yeah.

And they also never like, this is the we know so little about this guy. But I still feel like we know more about him than we know about Tuck Pendleton ever in the first scene. But he shows up for the grocery store, and that's the first time we ever see him at the grocery store. It's like suddenly he's which is good screenwriting. On his way to work?

From the doctor? Yes. Immediately is like introducing so many new things all at once, and it really works. It just feels like lived in and yeah. It's like you get inside Jack and it's like Yeah.

He's hearing he's hearing voices now and he has to come to the realization that they're real because he then oh, but, like, we have to so, like, the the the bad guys are somehow connect like, like, the woman is somehow connected to this whole, like, science? Like, she was used to work for them or something? Is that the idea? The the redhead Yeah. Woman?

The doctor because she seems to know Ozzy. I have seen this movie maybe more than any. I don't think there's backstory there. No idea. They just like, they're just, like, yeah, miniaturization is valuable and they work on it at this lab.

Like, how do they show him? Why. When they see each other, they call each other. She knows his name. Mhmm.

Yeah. But it's never again, it's just like I'm on Mhmm. I'm just like I'm inside Jack going along with the flow of the blood. Here we go. You know, the phallus isn't gorging, but, like, no one's telling me why.

I sure ain't gonna show you my dick. When he goes home though, and he's still convinced that his voice isn't real, and then Tuck's like, I'm gonna fucking prove it to you, man, and I'm gonna explode your television. Yeah. With the EMP. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Not a $100,000 Safeway bill for a redhead old lady, but I'm gonna blow your shit up. Yeah. So slowly, Jack is coming to the realization that maybe he's not crazy.

Maybe there's a man inside of him. Yeah. The the fire on fire in that moment where Jack's stuff is on fire as well as Yes. Tuck's stuff is on fire and they both have to extinguish, like, that they're having this symbiotic, like, host, parasite kind of relationship is like, that's a nice way to kinda pop that in quickly. Yeah.

But the voices in his head and the explanation of Tuck to Jack hears everything that's happening because classifications and stuff be damned, like, at that point. We're back. Tuck has told Jack what's going on and Jack starts having these heart problems, like, he's his heart accelerates. What is it that happens to him again? Like, he's Heart palpitations.

His adrenaline is going to have a heart meltdown. Right. For something. He's he's Because when Jack's TV explodes Oh, the guy taxi. Right.

And the handyman somehow works for this other corporation. I don't know why they're like Well, they're on the He gets so convoluted. They're like the giant 8 by 11 photographs of the security footage. I'm smart and short of having an o face as he gets shot. Oh.

Oh. And then zoom in on his, on his name badge. Yeah. The the enhanced. The manager.

The manager. Yeah. And so they know who he is. They know where he lives probably. Which is actually a moment in the movie that I really really like, which is when the handyman pulls out a gun and he's got it at Martin Short, and immediately Dennis Quaid says, grab it.

Yeah. And Martin Short just grabs it. It's like the voice of his conscience. And I was like, oh, this is so watching it again, I was like, this is a really really cool story about somebody finding courage. Yes.

And like listening to a voice inside of them that's always been there that is, like, telling them to be brave. The the devil may care pilot that's always lived in him. It's always been there. The voice to him, it's he takes to a lot of it naturally where he's, like, fucking Neiman the balls, and he just does it. Have you guys seen that?

Which one? Yeah. Upgrade? Okay. Yeah.

I really like that movie. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah.

And so yeah. Anyway. Yeah. It's very similar in terms of taking your confidence. But, Jack meets the brass at this point, like all the scientists that are left Mhmm.

And Pete and all the folks in charge of this experiment. And this is where we get an idea of some of what Dennis Quaid can do with these instruments, where he, like, amplifies what people are talking about and shit. And they're apparently, like, the brass is just like, you know, if we Tuck's probably dead. There's a timer on this, something can be tiny. For sure.

Mhmm. Yeah. They're a little yeah. Which is really smart screenwriting Yeah. Tool of putting a time bomb in this.

Little ticking clock idea is good. I gotta ask too though, like, they were gonna put Tuck once he got trunk into a rabbit Yeah. And I know the blood flow speed is a problem. How many beats per second or or minute is a rabbit or I feel like a rabbit's probably much Faster. Faster.

Much faster. And that's the thing is, like, some of this movie is, like, again, I don't really give a shit. It's a fantasy movie. It's a PG movie, but it's, like, it's lots of science. And, like, I feel like some people would complain about that, but I just don't care.

No. My question though is the, the stakes of him going into the heart. Yeah. Clearly, he cannot go into the heart. Mhmm.

Jack will die. Too much is happening in there. Yeah. And he's getting out of the heart by going out through the aorta because he's so miniscurated. He's got a little laser.

He can cut through veins and shit. This is a fast forward, but when the dude in the suit falls out of the first time Amphigas or something? Yeah. Before he falls into the acid, but late early. Oh, yeah.

Wouldn't he isn't that where he would go? The heart And that's the thing. Like, there's a lot there's some soft science in this movie that you just gotta let the fantasy of it, like, wash it for you. I just thought that that was a stakes that were set up that was gonna come back. Wait.

Oh, yeah. Dennis Quaid has talked Martin Short into going to Dennis Quaid's place and it's just like this wreck. There are car engines and stereo equipment and all sorts of shit everywhere. Well, Dennis Quaid's super cool. He's got this fucking red Corvette.

Yep. He's got a He's got a Shelby 500. He's got Eleanor. Oh, it's a Shelby Shelby. Sorry.

He's got a bomber jacket. He's a cool dude. But also he's like, get my alcohol bottle out of the engine that I sorted in. Get this alcohol bottle from here. No.

Oh, get that SoCo when Martin Short pounds the SoCo Uh-huh. And Dennis Quaid is filling his flask with what's falling down the throat. A good effect. I hate it. It's so fucking disgusting to me.

I have so many questions about that. So much of that is, like, spit and my god knows what Dennis Quaid is drinking. And show me, coach, I'm just like, where Dennis Quaid is at any moment in his body? I don't think it ever really it's more funny when they try to make it make sense. It makes absolutely no like, at one point, it cuts open a vein.

Yes. And goes into the vein. I'm like, that's internal bleeding. I'm a 100% sure that this is gonna be a huge problem for him later. Yeah.

I've never really addressed. Nope. You know? Or, you know, yeah. The digestion thing later, of course, is another big one where we're like Or the swapping of bodily fluids.

Oh, that's ridiculous. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because it posits that when you're deep kissing with somebody, you're essentially, like, regurgitating back and forth into their mouths. There's no way to do that.

There's birds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Now we get the cowboy. Oh. So it's like Well, the introduction of of Lydia Yeah. Jack, That that scene when Jack gets a little drunk and dances all by himself and everything. Yeah.

I don't know dancing could be so fun. I love that. But he is drinking, like, spit. Fucking There's a nice moment when when Jack asks if he can look, have him look in the mirror. Yeah.

So he can see or talk can ask him if Jack will look in the mirror. I really I always like that moment too of just his, like, absolute disappointment with seeing Martin Short on the other side of that. This is me now. Mhmm. So we reintroduce Meg Ryan, who we need to remember, obviously, like, works in a journalistic Yeah.

Job in this medium, in pilots and testing and whatever the fuck. And there's this mythic character called the cowboy played brilliantly by Robert Piccardo. And he's almost like, nobody fucks with the Jesus to a degree for me. Now we get Meg Ryan back, like, several minutes later. Well, they know the cowboy is And, like, kinda almost feels shoehorned.

Kinda like Robert Picardo. Like, these characters are coming back or coming in, and it's like, wow. A lot of shit is coming at me. Like But the cowboy is buying the chip? Yeah.

He or he's gonna sell it and duplicate it or something. I think that Meg Ryan said he he's the leader of exporting American technology overseas. Yeah. So anybody's it's, like, real loose. It's, like, if anybody's gonna be there, it'll be him.

Right. He's in town, so they're like tracking, I think. And he's trying on lots of boots. Yeah. And he ends up He loves boots.

The metal boots. The spurs and the jackets and the bolos. Fun, like, eastern European accent. Non descript accent. Non offensive, non descripts.

Mhmm. No. It seems like kinda like you were saying, like, Eastern Bloc, like Eastern European of some sort. Like, he's just kind of like an interesting, like, weird guy. And they go to this club Who loves cowboys.

And Jack runs into his coworker there. Yeah. And she's, like, I didn't know you had this side of you. Oh, yeah. She's back.

Wendy's back. And I know that she is kind of not great to him when he's at work, but he's also kind of a fucking weirdo, to be honest. He's very, like, anti social and introverted. I thought they were setting up that relationship. Too.

There is and and I think this is of the time there's a little bit of, like, a slut shaming thing going on there. That she has the line, I've literally slept with every other person at the office Yes. Except for you, and you're the only one I find even, like Mildly attractive. Which I think is meant to kind of justify what happens later. See, but I take in modern times, I guess, you take that as being, like, kind of a really sweet comment to say to someone.

Well, I agree not only with that, but, like, if I'm Martin Shorter depending on the journey, he's strong enough to not be threatened by that fact. Yes. Like, where he's, like, fuck yeah. You're cool. I like that.

Like, that you're willing to not only do that, but to, like, express that honestly. Great. Because I got at the club when he kinda had it seemed like there was some kind of mutual interest there and that he felt kind of mad, like, oh, I have to go. Yeah. Because he he's in the middle of the mission.

I I wanted that to pay off too. Yeah. And I thought at the end I was kinda disappointed that he, like, turned the water Yeah. We'll get into that, but yeah. Yeah.

I have a defense of it. Not Oh. But I'll I'll come to it later. We'll freeze it. Yeah.

We'll refrigerate it. Well, not totally. You shrink it? The the refrigerated truck thing. Oh.

No. No. No. Good. And Martin Short, just that little bit of physical acting that he's really good at not laying it on too thick.

He's so good at when he does lay it on thick. Mhmm. He can also just be so incredibly fucking subtle. Like, he's just he's like a fucking painter, man. And you know what?

He is still like that. I feel like Yes. Some actors as they age, especially comedian actors as they age, they tend to get really self conscious of what they are funny about. Yeah. And their comp, for me at least, their comedy doesn't land as much.

I'm starting like, oh, you you know what works for you and you're doing that. I feel like Martin Short watching Martin Short in Only Murders in the Building. I'm like, he's still Yeah. He's easily the best part of that show. Great.

He's still locked in. So specific. Yeah. Like, his work is so specific. And he does a stunt in that ice truck thing.

Isn't it great? Yeah. When when he's got one foot on the Corvette and one foot in the, It's a Shelby GT 500. It's Eleanor. That sounds like a car person here.

I am not. I'm not a car person. Do I have to step out now? Not because it's was better without me, but because you 2 can't get it together? Out of pure rage.

I always say Corvette when I mean convertible. I mean, it's a it's a red convertible. Right? Yeah. But that's a nice little stunt that he's doing.

It is. That's really him for some of it at least. Yeah. I mean, it is probably an easy wig to throw onto a stuntman. Totally.

But Yeah. He he looks like he's doing a lot of it. Has anybody seen the Volvo semi commercial with Van Damme? Yes. Where the Volvo semis are going backwards and he does the splits?

I mean, I got a flashback to that. But again, like, that's to say, like, Van Damme is an incredibly gifted physical human being to whatever degrees. And to watch, like, Martin Short, who's, like, this little comedic dude and be like, oh, this reminds me of the Van Damme thing. That kinda speaks to, like, Martin Short just can work on so many levels. Really.

Right? Yeah. Suddenly, Victor, this other bad guy's involved, and the doctor what's her name is like super horny, and mister Igo has like a steely Dan hand. And, like, the movie, like, sometimes just, like, gets a little too off the hinges for me. Those are the only like, the again, the villain aspects are, like, where I went, okay, this is a little generic.

It feels a little, like, James Bondy meets, I don't know Freaky Friday? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So there there is an aspect of like some.

Like this dude that they introduced who is, like, the rich white guy. I'm like, was he needed? Yeah. The new another villain? We already had the main villain.

We had a couple few. Yeah. And we already had a henchman with the cowboy. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. That pyramid just keeps getting larger. Again, like, I have to keep track of more this was my thing with League of Their Own. There are a lot of characters, and I don't know the purpose of every like, not only the purpose of everyone, but how how's everyone gonna have their moment? That was the thing that we talked about about Major League.

Every character seems to have a moment. Mhmm. And sometimes that's hard and I don't know if this do the other people feel like this movie it's like a lot of characters. I always I like to always come back to like, oh, the eighties. Mhmm.

Yeah. I'm like, there's I don't know. Unfortunately, we we always have to have this like male villain that's sort of like a counter to he's he's the he's the money bags behind all this. Right. Yeah.

He's mister monopoly. Why is he directly involved? Because there's money to be had? Involved. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, he's taking on so much of this on his own. Yeah. In the back of this truck. When you're like, you really ought to just be sitting, like, in the Cayman Islands or something.

Yeah. Directing people. Away from this as possible. Yeah. You're doctor Klauehn.

It's in Inspector Gadget. I should only see your hand, like, petting a cat and hanging up a phone. Yeah. And then you go back to your family and we're really surprised by that. Yeah.

Aren't you the Elon Musk of all this guy? Like, what's happening? This is when they're gonna, he he he kicks down the door and gets the cowboy punches he claw blocks him, coming into his, like, his own. Dude, well, I'm like, this is the cowboys, like, dancing in some briefs and shit. He's by himself?

They went clubbing with the cowboy and this is something in the bathroom, isn't she? No. She's in her own room. Oh. That's why she's like, what are you doing?

And he's like, I thought I was saving you from him. Right. Yeah. And he's like, no. I'm just waiting for you.

By all accounts, happy to see him. Yeah. He's like, yeah. So Yeah. The cowboy's not a bad guy.

Meg Ryan is gonna go home with the cowboy boy after the club. Hotel room next to their hotel room. And, like, the cowboy whispers something into Meg Ryan's ear and she looks absolutely appalled and disgusted. Sure. It must have been Anybody have an idea?

Any idea? He said something about exploding tits. He thinks probably. It makes a lot of sense. This is our first face alteration too.

It's a lovely moment. We haven't done face off. You're right. I'm gonna take his face. A personal favorite of Keiko and mine.

Oh, great movie. Classic movie. I do really like the conceit here that he can change his the way that he's, like, doing it physically and then the effect, it's very it's very fun. And it's such a it's such a punch into a cartoon. When I think they've actually tried to, like, make a lot of this feel real.

Yeah. There's some soft sciency. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, this this version of it is so cartoony, and I just, like, love it because I didn't ever expect that the movie would go there.

They would have, like, a big weird inflatable face that can become another face. Yeah. And especially as a kid watching that, I'm like, oh, this is so magical. This is I like it. Fun.

I mean, it's the same thing practical. It's the same thing I love about Raiders, my favorite movie, is the face melting. Like, we all love the face melting. And it looks Framing me. I mean, you're like, oh, that's a candle or whatever.

That thing is made of wax and it's just come in. But we've talked about this a lot on this podcast where for some reason with physical practical effects, there's a lot of admiration. And even when you can see the strings, that's not there for the the CG, even though that takes a lot of manpower and a lot of effort and a lot of talent. Yeah. We don't have we don't hold the same level of admiration for it even when it looks bad.

Because there's no flaw, you know? Yeah. Like, even if CGI is bad CGI or or there's a mistake in the CGI, it's not actually really a flaw in the same sense that, like, you can see a thumbprint on a claymation figure, you know? Right. There's something so tactile about it that, like, this especially.

I did see a behind the scenes shot of him, like, going through the bloodstream and stuff. Mhmm. And they had built a miniature of that pod that was probably, like, the size of, like, a basketball. And then they just built this huge track that they filled up with water, and they just filmed that Great. Practically.

So it was like I would love to see a multi hour documentary about this movie similar to the robo doc. I would totally watch that. Mhmm. Totally. It's just visually just so interesting.

And whether things work or not, like we were you were just saying, MJ, like, sometimes the imperfections, there's a level of, like and I know we're fucking Warner Brothers is 15 miles that way. We're right there. 15 miles. And so when you Ben, oh my gosh. Hi.

It's Paul from Inside the Edit. I can't save you if you're unwilling to save yourself. K? And so when you know how movies are made and what effort went into it, there's a level of admiration and appreciation that I feel like some CG animators work exceptionally hard as well. That's a hard fucking job.

That's a hard thing to do. But again, there's just something about the nature of practical Yeah. That's just so nice. It feels like a warm blanket. There's so much fucking foam rubber Nickelodeon eighties era shit in this that just works.

It does. And they're gonna Mission Impossible is shit. He's going undercover. Yeah, dude. Rob Botein, Mission Impossible and the Swooey.

And they're gonna try to, Martin Short is the cowboy. Get back the, the, chip so they can bring Tuck back. The shrinking chip. Robert Picardo doing an impression of Martin Short doing an impression of the cowboy. It's great.

It's so good. The first scene when he when it's Robert Picardo as Martin Short, they ADR'd Martin Short's voice over him, and you see Robert Picardo doing his Martin Short impression, which is like really wonderful. Yeah. And then the rest of it's all Robert Picardo's voice. That's great.

It's great. It's so good. The way that the bad guy that we're like, this guy came in, like, at the somewhere in act 2 or whatever the fuck is going on here. But the mister Igo is gonna burn the cowboy Martin Short's hand, and that's what makes him freak out and more. Are they suspecting that he's not the cowboy?

I think that they do a great little a fun, like, bit about his hair is different. He had it done like Clint Eastwood style. His gold tooth falls out. And I think that's when it really is really But it seems like they're not actually gonna burn his hand because then they're like, oh, we're just we're just kidding. And then he likes because when he started freaking out, like, oh, don't worry.

Like, stop doing that. I think either a, it's very scary and weird, and b, like, we've heard a lot of shit about this guy through this movie. He's kind of a wild card. Like, he's he's a bit of a chameleon. Like, who knows what this fucking guy's gonna do.

Wild card. Wild card. Yeah. He but the fucking, like, ex effect, like and they're So good. Everybody at that point, even, Meg Ryan Meg Ryan, everybody's, like, fucking because she still doesn't know.

Get The Exorcist. We have a demon. It's great. It's so great. And then it finally lands on Martin Short, and Meg Ryan has this great little moment where she's looking at her.

She goes, oh. Yeah. And it's such a great little moment. Yeah. And she's like, oh.

Mhmm. Okay. This makes sense. Yeah. That's what happened before.

Okay. Well, they get locked up because Martin Short can't be killed. The Dennis Quaid miniature Dennis Quaid in that ship are too valuable. And as they're locked up together, Martin Short, Jack confesses everything. And then he makes out with her.

Rather than saying Meg Ryan's like, here's your birthday, I know your mom's name, anything like that, they just give us things that we know as the audience in context of the story. Well, it was my heart that was broken and not my toe. When the whole time he, there's moments we had talks on where Jack is checking out Lydia. Yeah. And talk has to be, like, stop it.

Mhmm. Stop that. Yeah. Well, and, like, the kiss the Martin Short kiss, the Lydia kiss, when Lydia wants to kiss him when she's like your tuck, does that also like where Jack stops her? But I feel like in that moment, I think it's charming that he's like, no.

Wait. I Yeah. Like, I want you to like me, but this is where I'm like, he doesn't get that Ben, what you were talking about, the satisfaction of, the, the woman he loves. Somebody he wants to be with. I know I'm a 3a half and you're a 4 Mhmm.

But I'm almost going to combat one of your arguments against the movie of saying that Tuck doesn't go anywhere. Mhmm. Because I actually think that Tuck learns from Jack that he needs to give more of himself to Lydia. I love that. I love that.

Because because tuck Jack says to Tuck, she doesn't you don't deserve her. She deserves someone better than this. Challenged on it. Yeah. You're right.

And I think that that ultimately is what I took away is that Tuck is going to he he realizes that his life isn't just about himself by then. To to MJ's point, Jack is still the character that he stands up to the guy who thinks as as strong as 10 men, who makes him better than himself, and says, you don't deserve her. Which again, like, I don't disagree with you. There's a journey for both, but Jack's journey is just so much stronger. 100%.

It's weird how much they, like, side note so many characters. This is the thing I keep coming back to. It's like we apparently wanna make all sorts of arguments here. I'm loving this. What I love about their kiss moment is also they've they've had a conversation where they're looking at Martin or does that happen later?

That happens later. We can just do it. It's okay. They're pretty sure that they're gonna die. Right?

And they're in the basement, and they've had this revelation. And then they are about to kiss. And there's this great moment where Martin Short tells him, he's like, I want you to turn off your things. I wanna have this be a private moment. And then Jack Would you still kiss him?

And then, like, Tuck does. I know. And I was thinking, like, does there's no way Jack Nicholson actually does. Yeah. But I think he does.

I think he does. Because we see him later. He was like, I don't know if I can turn it back on. Yeah. Yeah.

I think he actually does. And I think that there's, like, something going on in the character development thing that's really strong. And I think it's, like, really strong on all points. Like, it's a really confusing moment. I don't think Megan Ryan completely understands why she wants to kiss Martin Short.

They're, like, about to die. Tuck is in there, and also she's had this crazy harrowing experience with him that I, like, buy it. And then he's so respectful by saying, I want this to actually be just between the 2 of us. And and then he agrees to it. And I just think that that's, like, a really great, like, emotional growth moment for everybody involved.

Yeah. And, and it's kind of, like, emotionally what propels everybody forward. I think I was I was confused because I thought maybe Jack thought he was transferring Tuck into Lydia, which is but then but then he but then I realized that's not what he thought he was doing. I I do like though that, like, there's that level of I think Tuck's motivation is, like, it's a militaristic thing where Martin Short's like, hey. I've earned it.

I've taken bullets for you, man. And that's what, like, gets Tuck there. So Let me fuck your wife. So but he transfers him. And that part, I do have issues with.

Oh my lord. Like, it's tough to see him out in his in his coffin. In like The front part of the mouth? Yeah. Oh, boy.

Where is he? Nobody. But does he pilot that? Is that Do you like the conceit? I do like the conceit that then Jack is still fighting people with the idea that Tuck's inside of him.

Tuck will give me the strength of 10 men. And he's not. Yeah. Dude. But he still has the confidence.

Yeah. I like when he kicks that guy's ass in the stairs And even especially after he's like, wait, you mean Tuck's not here and he's still I that's that's another big growth moment for me that I really like. Now we have mister Igoe getting injected or Quaid. Static Is exchanging to Lydia, but okay. So Lydia shows up and is just waving a gun around as Martin shows up taking hostage.

This clip. Oh, do it. Tucks in me. And then she, like, slaps. Tucks in me.

Oh, you're not playing the clip. You're just No. I played it. You just couldn't hear it. Oh, okay.

That's too bad. I will in the edit. When Meg Ryan shows up waving the fucking gun around after Jackson Waving the fucking gun around, Meg? Taking thank you. Gun around?

After she's been, Martin Short's been taking hostage and has her kind of, like, hero moment, which is pretty satisfying. And they force everybody, all the bad guys to get shrunken and get the chip back. What a great story. And the little kids. Yeah.

But that's how they get the chip back that they lost when they did the face thing. We could probably do a 5 hour podcast on this just to make sure, like, it's not that the sequences don't make sense. It's just a it there's a lot. It's a bulky movie. Yeah.

No. Yeah. Totally. A lot of ideas. Yeah.

But the 50% of shrinking them just into kids size is pretty funny. They don't even get exploded. Nothing. I did see a behind the scenes thing of the forced perspective card that they built. Oh, I'm so curious.

And it's like that's chase doesn't need to happen. Like, they could have stopped the car at any moment. I know. It's so silly. Why are you still driving?

I don't know. But they had built the front part of the car where Jack and Lydia were, and then they built the behind the car. It's like composite? No. It's like in in camera.

Oh, okay. And so the back the back part, like force perspective, you know, the front and then the back, they built this huge version of the back seat where the other Wow. Were. And then they would have fake hands that would come up. You can tell they're fake.

Oh, yeah. That would hit them in the face as the live actors were behind them trying to, like, match their you know? And a lot of that is very evident in the moment. Just the mechanics of making that work is, like, really, like, oh, it looks great for in moments. That that shit to me we were at the Warner Brothers tour and they have a little, forced perspective photo booth where you can pretend to be Ganon sitting on the table and Frodo sitting on the table and be like Ganon off really close, Frodo really back.

And it's really fun where you're, like, oh, this is all about limitation. You're like, how do we make someone look bigger or smaller? And it's what a lot of things I have a lot of problems I have with the Hobbit movies. But then like in the Hobbit movies, they just go straight CG with it where you're like, oh, we don't need to do that. And I feel like CG, coming back to this, it's like you remove those limitations and you remove that creativity.

You remove that part where your your part of your brain where you have to problem solve and you have to be like, great. And move backward and consider budget. We need to be smaller and bigger, but we can't like, how do we practically do that? And I I really appreciate in that in this. When you have to pay so much attention on the day that you're filming something to how it's going to look in camera, I just feel like you're inevitably spending more attention on everything.

Like, the actors are spending more time making sure their performances make sense together. You know, the DP, everybody's making sure that what's in camera looks good, and it's like you lose that in the we can just fix it in post idea. Right. Yeah. I agree.

You know, you see a lot of that in this movie. At some point, someone's gonna bring Bram Stoker's Dracula directed by Francis Ford Coppola, and that will undoubtedly be our longest episode because I and or the guest are gonna go hard in the paint in terms of in camera effects and shit in that movie. Gary Old man, you are a dreamboat. You I heard Coppola is one of the greatest straight up garbage. Yeah.

Coppola apparently loves Keanu Reeves like a son because of that movie. And is, like, the accent Keanu Reeves is in oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. But, Francis Ford Coppola is, like, he's just the most wonderful human being you'll ever know.

And the accent was fine with me because I love him. And that's just like, okay. Fine. You're a fucking movie. And I really endeared to that movie.

But also, like, Pete, as we're in the chase, the boss that we met way earlier in the movie just shows up. Has he been following them? I have no idea. No idea. And that's the thing.

It's like, again, a bunch of shit is happening. The villain's storyline to me again is what kinda, like, starts to bring this movie down a little bit for me. Yeah. Because I don't care that much. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I care more about the main characters. I want Martin Short to end up with someone preferably maybe Meg Ryan and that becomes evident it's not happening. To me it's pretty obvious that the movie is building up to talk winning back, Lydia.

Yeah. I agree. But I really thought it was, again, coming back. I thought once they get through the car chase and We're in the stomach. Yeah.

And he's and the dude who's gotten the Iron Man dude is, like, thrown into his body. I go. Yeah. And he's in that fucking, like, he's inside you. The bad guy.

He needs more stomach acid. And he's gonna throw him into the stomach acid, which is a great sequence. Yeah. It looks great. It's really fun.

It's colorful. It's got, like, you know, all sorts of foam rubber and lord knows what. And, you know, Dennis Quaid They must have built that. Like, enormous stomachs. Yeah.

Again, Dennis Quaid just has to sit in a chair the whole time. Well, and Dennis Quaid gives Martin Short his worst fear. Like, by the way, there's a skeleton floating around inside you. Well, he stirs up his ulcer by saying that he thinks he sees cancer in his stomach. Yeah.

Which is so terrible. Understand as a kid. But what was it like, he Jack asked him to help get out of it. Yeah. And he's like, you're asking the wrong guy from my perspective.

It looks like I'm looking at Candlestick Park or something. Like something very big. And it's just the worst feeling as an adult thinking about that. Yeah. Like, were you in my colon?

Tell me where it is. Yeah. At least do that. Also, like the one liner of the in the stomach where Dennis Quaid says, that's how I spell relief. I'm like, ugh.

Like to a at that point. And when Dennis Quaid gets sneezed out of Martin Short, it's fun enough. I like that. That's kind of also where I'm like, okay. Yeah.

I think we're good. Well, also, like Dennis Quaid gets big end again, and I think we're good. Looking back again, I've seen this so many times. But thinking of I can justify every choice in the movie. But, like, I love that they're going to such lengths to figure out how to get him out of the lungs.

And then they come upon hairspray. Which he's allergic to. Good. Yeah. He we established in the very first scene that he's allergic to hairspray.

He's got a rash. And he sprays it on, and he's about to sneeze. And nobody thought we should make sure you're sneezing onto something Yeah. Without just out into the ether. And he sees on that guy's glasses.

And I'm like, oh, it's such a great, like How convenient. Yeah. In a way, also, you're like, yeah. I kind of believe that maybe nobody would have thought of that. And then But then they got COVID.

And yeah. And so much of this movie never forget. Is robotic arms moving shit. Mhmm. And it's a long process.

Not as great as the Honey I Shrunk the Kids' movie. Not as good as that. Not as good as the dog food in Back to the Future. Yeah. But with the robotic arms doing shit in this movie, it's a long process.

And the fact that the movie jokes about it at the end where it's like we don't have fucking time for this shit. The ticking clock of everything, Dennis will be running out of oxygen. Yeah. But you also have time for Martin Short to dance. You also have time for all this other stuff.

It's like the ticking clock stops for me several times. Some time away because they gotta he drills into the pod. Yeah. And I think the cabin pressure. Though it was unaffected by the flask.

Yeah. Flying out earlier. So I Well, that was an airlock apparently. Okay. Yeah.

It's a little arm that I think. Oh. But the that that robotic arm thing where they're like, we don't have time for this shit. That it pulls me back in in that moment where I'm like, okay. I'm back.

Like, that really made me laugh. That was maybe my hardest laugh in the movie. It's a funny movie. Question, how much time has passed between that end and the wedding? The wedding when suddenly the cowboy is now, like, an indentured servant to these little people.

They don't recognize? Yeah. I I like why are you He's like an agent to the villains? Driving. I thought he was, like, I thought his job was that he was, like, does it seem like a reshoot that the producers were, like, maybe we're gonna make a sequel?

Yeah. Let's continue this story. I can see that. Because we make a great team. I don't understand that ending because it felt like the movie ended.

Yeah. Yeah. Tuck's reembigened. They really were, like, tagging on an adventure at the end. That doesn't come to fruition.

Yeah. Tuck and Lydia suddenly have, like are those their daughters in front of them in the wedding? No. That would make no sense. I didn't think so.

This takes place, like, 2 weeks later? Yeah. Like, maybe a month later. Okay. I thought so too.

But How are you gonna plan a wedding at that level in that small amount of time? Yeah. Maybe 1 or both of them already had plans, but the cowboy's back with the little people in a limo. But it's to prove, again, it's to prove that Jack has changed, which I don't think needs to be proven. That's the problem I have with this last ending.

I agree. Because he's already changed. Because this is the moment at the end that we're gonna return to about when he's got the 3 people Mhmm. That represent each one of his issues. And one is his health issues.

His doctor is there. Why his doctor is at their wedding? I have no idea. Or the guy that represents, like, work stress, why is he at the wedding. Sometimes my doctor comes with me, but he wanted to go to haunted house.

Yeah. Yeah. He wanted to go to haunted house really bad. Sure. So I brought him.

I just wanna touch everything and see what's real. What what were you doing for 20 minutes? I had your heart break. I was masturbating. Okay?

I was jerking off. Is that what you doing? I was jerking off. Were you dancing at haunted house? I was at haunted house.

Yeah. Okay. Well, let me know this. Come in but she can't. Her father was executed by the state, bro.

Does that sound boring to you? So the movie ends with the cowboy taking Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan away and Jack's big payoff is he jumps into the Shelby 500 and he's ready for adventure. Turns away. As from like Yes. When he like his love life, his professional life, and his like health.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. And so those are all his his things that are standing in his way. And then in one fell swoop, he says to each of them like no no no.

And Wendy is the last one, right, where she's like, let's go out sometime. He's like, not a chance. And it's like, yeah, it's pretty harsh based on what's going on. Yeah. But also, like, he needs a clean slate.

I get it. He needs a totally new start. I get it. He's ready for a bed. He's ready to drive off it.

And I also think about the worst version of what that ending also means, which is that Jack Putter comes upon the limousine that now has the dead bodies of Tuck Pendleton and Lydia, who've been shot in the head by the caliber. Why wouldn't he just shoot them immediately? Yeah. That's what he's gonna do. Nobody flies with the caliber.

Around the hill, kill them both, take the microchip, then fly away in a helicopter or or something. And then Martin Short's gonna drive up, and that's gonna be the rest of his life is dealing with that image. I just Yeah. That's exactly Yeah. And then there's no next movie.

It's just him in an asylum. Tease them. Like Yeah. Like he's ready to go. He's got the upper edge.

He's got high ground. He's ready to go. Yeah. I just want Martin Short to have a different ending than what he gets. I know I should be talking about what I saw and what I wanted to see.

Earlier. But Yeah. I think that I agree. That's what I was saying. And not and, like, I don't understand this a little.

It feels tact. Yeah. Tact on you. Yeah. There really is like a you you like, apparently in the fly, like that movie ends when Be careful.

No. This is no judgment. I love that movie. K. You know, the movie ends with Gina Davis shoots him in Manhattan, explodes with him.

That's the end of the movie. Love it. It's like a whole another scene that they had filmed where it's like Geena Davis, like 6 months later, and she's pregnant and dreaming of this beautiful butterfly baby. She's gonna get it's like a really weird ending. Yeah.

But some everybody was just like, just end it at the emotional climax of the movie. Let that be the end. Let the audience go away feeling like, damn. And this could have done It's part of why it's perfect. It really could have been like the 3 of them uniting in real life, freeze frame where they're all hugging and smiling, end of movie.

Yeah. That's a great classic eighties too. Yep. Feels classic top gun. Just pushing it over.

Family matters theme or the Golden Girls theme or whatever you want over it. And we talked about that with the minority report where it was like that tacked on ending was like did we need to see all of the The wife's been wearing weird wigs cogs are doing and Mhmm. Cabin? We don't. Yeah.

And on that note We're at the end. I think it's time to rerate this. We've spoken pretty in-depth about this. We've gone inner space inner space into the annals of the annals. How would you like to end this?

Who would you like to give their first? Ben or I? You and then we'll see then we'll see. Me first? Yeah.

You know, you both made a lot of really excellent points that drove me to 3 and a half Hitachi hands. I'm gonna stand pretty firm at that 3 and a half Hitachi hands. It's normally as hard as I can get. We're at the full three and a half dealy dance here. I just feel like there I really love the movie, and there are all sorts of technical things that are great about it, and I understand why the studio felt bullish about it.

But I also get why the movie didn't make a $100,000,000 and get 2 sequels. Mhmm. It's just so many things feel a little too left of field. This does feel like the 3rd film in a franchise. Does it?

It does at times. With a lot of, like, stuff that's, like, jammed in there. Yeah. Ben, I feel so torn at this moment because I felt like I was coming up to, 4 magic school buses. And you go into a 3a half after being at a 4 feels very weird to me.

I think just so many I made a I think I No. I don't. I made I made a hole for myself in terms of of the character thing, and we all talked about it and it bothered all of us. You don't need to justify. I But I will because that's my job on this podcast.

Gonna come up to 4 magic school buses. Oh, wow. I love that. If I could have Grace, I would and probably go to 3.75, but we're not allowed that. So I'm going We are not.

I'm going to go to 4 magic school buses. I love that we flipped. We could end up at the same score with people flipping and whatnot. Are you changing your score? I feel even better about where I put this.

I think a solid 4 I'll I'll just say solid 4 Tuck Pendleton's. Because I think that name score. Is such it's such a great name. It's when you tuck back the woolen scarf. Yeah.

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck for sure. After that scene, when he's like displaying you know the fun thing is when there's a scene when Lydia leaves and they it pulls the towel that he's wearing, well, you know. Yeah. And he's standing there Those buns.

With his buns out in front of all of San Francisco. And if you look down at his shadow His fanny Cisco. His wiener. No cocksock? Maybe, but like a very tight one.

You know, you've seen the movie, A Knock and this In the kitchen. Like, I was like, I know I can't see his wiener because I've looked. But what if I look at the shadow? And so this was a shadow watch. And I was like, oh, it's paid off.

There it is. PG movie. Yeah. There's Dennis' Quaid. So you're at 4 shadows?

Yeah. I'll be at 4 Dennis Quaid, wiener shadows. Well He has quite a shadow. I hope that shadow only gets one electoral college. We we had some flips and changes here, but we ended up with the same score.

We did. And, MJ, thank you so much for Wow. It's so fun. It's been such a pleasure. If people would like to know more about you or follow you, can they?

Will they? Where do they look? Yeah. Sure. I got a a website that's my name.

That's mjseber.com. That's s I e b e r. And I'm on, like, you know, I'm out there on the end of socials. Hey. I'm very bad at this.

Do your detective work, folks? Follow Fine. MJ. If you wanna follow MJ, you can find him through us at reviewx2podcast on Instagram. And give credit to our, music, our bookend themes, our Jamie Henwood.

Our what are we watching theme is the wonderful Matthew Foskett. Yes. He is. He's great. Our fun facts theme is Chris Olds.

Chris Olds. Our interstitials. And you know what? Give a lot of kudos to Paul because he edits this thing. Oh, thanks, man.

And give him a lot of love because he spends a lot of time making this thing, flow. Because when we talk, we talk, in crazy amounts of umms and umms and Would you say that you're more of the hustle? And he's more of the flow? Yeah. I think so.

Okay. We're both the 36. We're mafia. He's the peanut butter and I'm the tuna fish. We go together like peanut butter and a tuna fish.

Thank you everyone so much for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed the episode. We're almost sure that you did. MJ, again, you were absolutely phenomenal. I can't wait to take a couple of these cookies home.

Join us for more of Ben's big blockbuster Bonanza summer. We'll have a few more great summer movies here. Thanks so much for joining us. Don't worry about the viscera of the exploded children. Boom shaka laka.