Duck, You Sucker! / Short Fuse (Guest: Matthew Fosket)

Allllll right all you mother fudgers, and Matt Fosket aka the MFer (@bigtimebopper) lovers, it’s time to load up the stage coach and ride out for “MATT’S MONTH.” Up first for your listening pleasure is “Duck, You Sucker!” (Dir. Sergio Leone 1971). Starring: Rod Steiger, James Coburn, and Romolo Valli. We have a wholllllleee chiffarobe trunk wagon saddlebag of problems/things to unpack from this TWO HOUR AND FORTY MINUTE WESTERN. Question, you ever seen a four year olds arm just gripping a grapefruit? You will! This film isn’t just about the grey areas, it IS grey area.

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

I'm very, boisterous. Everyone says that about me. Voices carry. Yeah. We're Gucci.

Okay. Hachdua. Hey, everybody. I'm one of your cohosts. My name is Paul Allan "enGschrew."

Wait. What did you say your last name was? Paul Allan "enGschrew". My name is Ben Hadababy, it's a boy. That's a commercial.

You're lying again. This guy. But either way, welcome. You're back probably. But if you're not, this is the review review.

Normally, we have some rules here and these are those rules. The movie needs to be 7 years old or older. The person bringing the film has to have seen it before and feel passionately about it. That movie must be 2 hours and 22 minutes or less, and it cannot be part of a major franchise. But here, because we have very talented top of the pyramid today as our guest.

Pyramid. And the 3 points. It's the most powerful shape. It's the most powerful shape in the world. You can't crush it.

Matthew Foster's back. No. Because you can't. Why would you waste your time? Pyramid, egg.

Eggs. I wait. I think eggs can be crushed. He knew I was gonna do that. And I I've tricked so many people with that where I'm like, no.

Squeeze it as hard as you can, and they end up just busting it in their hand. You have strange friends. I do. Yeah. You're I mean, I'm from Vancouver.

I don't know if it's far. If anyone's ever tried to crush, like, the pyramid of Yeah. Like, ever in Egypt? Because he says you can't, but, like, just I can confirm in the informers to The devastator. That was CGI.

He's got balls. Oh. It did get crushed. They just fixed it in post. Woah.

Devastator's got nards. Just in case people didn't know, but Matthew Foss gets back. Hello? And because he's been so incredible about lending us his time and energy and talent. Yeah.

I made the mistake of saying whatever movie you want. And at first, it was Ben Hur. And then at a point it was, there's this amazing movie about Serge Gainsbourg. And I was like, Matt, I love that you wanna share stuff with me that you love because I'm your friend, and I'm interested in that. But don't thank you.

You can keep going. No one is gonna listen to the episode. Because I've talked to many people who go, I like the show, but if I don't know the movie, I'm not watching it. Yeah. I I too have encountered these folks.

But I will tell you now, if you've started listening, you should keep listening because If you'd like to make a call, please hang up and try again. Probably for, like, a really good reason. Yeah. Yeah. I really Fill in the blank.

Yeah. You could just say a positive thing. Stay in a positive space. Because you like me. We're all about that.

But the main thing that we're really concerned about here Matt. Yes? What you've been up to? Oh. To I get to push the button.

Push the button. This has been teased a little bit in previous episodes. You've been hearing this for a while. Is this the button that activates the vibrator that I'm on? But it's gonna turn on the steely Dan for a bit.

Word of vibrator. Which is pretty exciting. Here we go. Oh, god. What you've been up to?

That's awesome. It's really good. I really love that. I Do you know my do you know one of my top three favorite bands? Panic the Disco.

No. But I but I have seen them live and I've met them. On his face. But I've I've seen them live and I've met all of them. How did that go?

The lead singer's kind of a douche. No shit. Shut up. He was high on coke and he was like, were you guys were you guys were you guys partying tonight? I don't like when And we were backstage and I was like, there's Game Works.

Would you guys wanna go to Game Works? He was like, no. I mean, like, where you guys meeting girls? Is there a disco down here? There's Game Works.

Is there any Discos? I need to do I need to find a disco. Because I'm panicking right now. Are they playing Pinot D'Agio? We saw them because we saw Phantom Planet at a acoustic show and then they invited us to the Pango disco show that they were opening for and got us backstage passes.

Wow. I can't believe this is what you've been asking. And then you had to talk to Brandon what's his name? Yeah. Yeah.

Bummer. No. I was gonna say postal service and that feels postal service y. I said can you make it sound kinda like craft work or what you'd assume Autobahn from The Big Lebowski would sound like? And I said no.

Shake my hand, damn it. Well done. Yeah. Well done. Thank you so much for You're welcome.

We all shook hands. We love it. For everyone who love it. Oh, actually With me, not they did it. You know what?

Before we stop, one second. Matt, take my hand and and take Ben's hand as well. Oh, no. No. No.

No. No. No. Are we gonna break it? Just because I wanna ask all the gods, the goddesses I mean, you guys are holding the spiritual beings, the the powers that be, all the good things and all that, watch after our boy Rudy tomorrow.

That's all I'm saying. Oh, yeah. That's it. He'll be fine. Oh, he will be, but that's the thing.

Why not? Let's just put insurance on it. Just a nice little routine It's a smart thing to do. Tooth cleaning. Yeah.

For my boy, my son. I'll do my job. Rudy the cat. Yeah. They have to remove a little some teeth in the front.

He'll be Rudy the cat. Sorry. Got it. Yeah. Because if you had a kid and he was just going to the dentist to get his teeth cleaned, it's probably gonna be okay.

Brain tumor. Well, dude, the last time he was there, he was like, give me back my son. Oh my gosh. No. No.

Yeah. I ran into it. Because he was just like, I'm hey. I'm working on this thing from Ransom for an audition. Right.

And you just wanted help. No. I just went full Last of Us and killed everybody. Oh, no. I just ran in there.

It was Okay. I'm gonna well, we gotta get the train back on the track. And they're like, we're just doing, you know, routine testable exam. I tried I tried to play the last of us. I could not figure it out.

I could not like control The game? Yeah. Which is weird because like I got sucked into a video game once. Prom. Funniest thing anybody's ever said.

Wait. The man has a That that's what Jeff Bridges said in the end. For me. Two questions. Please.

Is that a true story? For Jeff Bridges, I think it is. Okay. 2nd, there's a comment I tried to play also after watching the show. Yeah.

And I played for, like, 8 hours and realized that I was, like, a 20th of the way through this story arc. It's so long. I I will I will I will say it. I just stopped. I was like, I can't hear you.

It's great. It looks amazing. The game It's fun. Super cool. The game for me is probably one of my it might be the best game I've ever played.

You're a sports gamer. Right, man? Yeah. Have you played Madden 24 yet? Because that might change your mind.

No. I haven't. And it's like me, I'm like, I'm still playing NBA Jam Tournament Edition from, like, 2010. So When Peyton and Kemper found the same team. Like, I got I got the 1 year that, like, Lillard and Aldridge were on the together.

I'm Last of Us, Uncharted, BioShock. Oh, yeah. BioShock. That's good. That's good.

That's so long. Hey. RoboCop Rogue City, I'm telling you. You get that BioShock. I do wanna play that.

You getting that? I also am a huge, Resident Evil fan as is Paul. Baby. It's good. Okay.

We've been way off track. Matthew, what you've been up to? What you've been up to? Other than the song. It took me, like, 4 weeks to do.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a muddle. 8 hours a day. Yeah.

Took a log off. The bill's fucking insane and we're gonna talk about it. Yeah. Off mic. It no.

I did it in, like, 4 minutes. I'm not giving you $62,000. Are we paying are we paying you in peanuts? You pay me in any currency you have. We're not paying him $62,000 for that.

Can we pay him 62,000 peanuts? We'll pay you 62,000 lira. We'll pay you 62,000 lira. We got you. Oh, that brings us to something, but we'll get there.

Matt, what have you been up to? This work a lot. Yeah. So Just working like crazy. Working like crazy.

Okay. Trying to play golf when I can. Yeah. We played golf together. Yeah.

We did. You well Absolutely destroyed. Oh, no. Hold on. 1 of us played golf.

1 of us was along for the ride. That was me. Oh, you're like when I used to drive my dad around. Yeah. Yeah.

Except I carry the clubs. Like to the grocery store? No. Like to like in the golf cart. In the cart?

Oh, you just drive around and then He'd let me drive the golf cart and he would play. Those are fun to drive. And I would watch him get really upset and throw his clubs into the water. And I didn't realize till several years later that that was something I was gonna talk about with my therapist. Oh, wow.

Yeah. That's not good. Wait. Is that what's happening right now? Sorry.

In terms of talking to with my therapist? Yeah. Yeah. It's It happened like a real a real therapist. Yes.

Oh, not us. So No. If you guys were my therapist, we'd be in a lot of trouble. I foe got mad when we played golf the other day And like, did you drop the club? And Matt was like, don't take it out in the club.

And I was like, oh, no. You might look crazy. You need to like No. It's not that. It's we're sharing 3 clubs.

And if you broke 1 We needed 2. We only needed 2. It was selfish motivating. It wasn't the putter. Jack putter?

Whoopsie. That's a little inside you. Baseball. Inside Jack putter. Ben, what have you been up to?

I just got back from 5 days in Morro Bay. Oh, my God. I love it there. Have you been to Morro Bay? No.

I would say that of all of the, like, vacation spots in California I've been to, it's only about 3 hour 3 and a half hours. North? Oh, yeah. Down the coast. It's close to San Luis Obispo.

Yeah. Oh, I was in, Paso Robles on Oh, yeah. Mondays. I if you ever get a chance, I highly recommend Morro Bay. It is probably the closest getting to Oregon, but still being in California.

It feels very Oregon. And it's usually a little bit more mild because it's on the coast, and it's not super traffic y with tourists. And it's really nice. It's, like, really quiet and peaceful, and there's a lot to do there. You can go kayaking on the estuary.

You can go biking. There's Montana De Oro there, which is a state park. We did all those things. And thousands of seals. Oh my god.

The seals, the otters, the blue herons, the pelicans. There's so many animals there. So many animals having sex. When that's happening, do you just sleep on the beach? I do.

That's cool. Do you guys know We watch each other. So Do. I won't go too far into my outdoor education world. There's such a thing that's called a 5 star poop.

I think a poop dad. So when you're working well, yeah. When you're working with kids, as little kids Oh. Especially when you're going backpacking I can't wait for you to tie this to something that's not, like, really creepy. I know.

A lot of them don't especially when you're backpacking and there's no Kumba. Toilets No way. They don't wanna go to the bathroom. Oh, yeah. No.

Even if it's like Joshua Tree where you just buried it. They don't wanna go to the bathroom. And so you have to try to convince them in a way to, like, you have to go poop. Like, you have to go poop. It's so we there's a, a system built called the 5 star poop.

A one star poop means that you pooped and you had a a decent view. So, like, you found a good spot and you had a pretty good view and you pooped. A 2 star poop means you had a decent view and you saw an animal, which is pretty cool. You pooped and you saw an animal, you had a good view. Star.

The animals were fucking Hold on. You thought you're in a hotel? Don't don't don't get ahead. No. Because all of these Here here's the steak.

All of these are are in the nature. Right? We're trying to encourage them. So they were trying to be like, you have to try to get this. Right?

3 star poop means you saw a good view, you saw an animal and it locked eyes with you while you were pooping. The 4 star poop is that you pooped, you saw an animal, you locked eyes, and you both pooped at the same time. This is real. It's we make it up. Right?

So the 5 star poop as you lived. Is that you saw 2 animals, you've all locked eyes, and you all pooped, and you all A trifecta. You. And then the 2 coyotes surrounded you and ate you. Yeah.

But anyway, the idea is just to encourage them to, like, try to, like, go poop because they And stare at animals. Maybe. Cool. I will confirm. Having a good view while you poop, pretty awesome.

I've watched the sun come up while I poop. Can I ask question? Yeah. What is the rating system if you lock eyes with your camp counselor while you're pooping? That is probably a red flag.

Yeah. Big one. By the way, don't forget to fall get more information about things that get 0 to 5 stars when you follow Ben at run bmc on Letterboxd. And don't, you know, look up anywhere where I work or anything like that. Just that.

Just Letterboxd. Just Letterboxd. I just got Captain Ron, what color flag is that? Wait. I just got fired.

And it's over. In the police room. Paul, what you been up to? Oh my god. I bought a record album Oh my gosh.

By Matt Berry. He's an incredible musician. Incredible. Great with apparently so many instruments. And I wanted to make sure I mentioned this as we have a great musician here.

I'm just enjoying the shit out of it. I got sounds of insomnia, music for insomniacs, 1 and 2. It's fucking great. I like it so much that I ordered the TV theme cover album that he has. Has like covers of are you being served and doctor who themes and shit like that.

Oh, shit. So I'm super excited. He's really, really something. As an actor, as a musician, as a talented human being. Is this stuff is it serious music or is it like Yeah.

Oh, interesting. It's really good. Like, I have like I said, I just got a vinyl. I'm really been into it lately, but, like, I'm more than happy to loan it to you. It's really good.

That's cool. And, also, he's got, like, a great voice, so I'm really excited for, like, this cover album of TV themes because it's probably maybe potentially hilarious while being crazy impressive. Does he have a tenacious d kinda thing. Does he have a cover of, Conan's The Year 2000? No.

But there should be one. Yeah. In the year 2000. In the year. Die.

That was a cool key change. Thank you. But that's what I've been up to, man. What have you been watching? What am I watching?

I'm keeping that. What have you been watching? What have you been watching? What have you been watching? Cut in with this, ominous laughter that makes no sense.

And here we go. What are we watching? Matt, what are you watching? Pass. Hard pass.

Ben, what are you watching? Come back to me. Ben, what are you watching? Alright. I went to the theater and I saw Inside Out 2 Yeah.

With, my wife. Oh. And, I really enjoyed it. I'm a huge fan of the first one. I already knew that it couldn't probably reach the first one, and it doesn't, but it's still, like, in terms of Pixar, I think it it's probably the best Pixar in a very long time in my opinion.

The first one hits on so many things that are resonate with me in a way that just makes me cry like a little baby, and this one did a lot of the same stuff. I don't wanna give any spoilers away, but I think we've all seen the trailers, and we all know the new character of anxiety. I think, like, for me, especially, like, growing up, I don't think I heard the term anxiety in terms of, like, a noun, like, something you could have Yeah. Till I was in my twenties. And other than, like, test anxiety or feeling anxious, like, those things maybe I heard.

I was in, like, my fifties, seventies. Right? Something. Yeah. Yeah.

Because you're a ridiculous person. I'm 14. Yeah. But anyway It doesn't add up at all. It's also I don't know if you've been paying attention.

It's also, like, single handedly saving the box office Yeah. This summer. It's already defeated Dune part 2. So it's like Taylor Swift, but for movies. Yeah.

Wow. It's like Taylor Swift getting her master Rachel Pearl Foskett. It's Taylor Swift getting her masters back. This was Pixar going, we'll do Inside Out again, but it's gonna fucking destroy everything. Nothing else will matter.

Yeah. The previous 5th, we'll do it. Killing it. I I highly recommend the Imac experience. I enjoyed it.

Oh. Yeah. Alright. That's fine. Paul, what are you watching?

I brought up a weird kinda hipstery record. I'm gonna bring up a weird kinda hipstery movie. Are you just trying to get at me because I go to things that are popular, Paul? I saw no. Because we're gonna talk about a weird and hipstery movie in a little bit.

I watched a Werner Herzog documentary called Lessons of Darkness. He narrates it. It's beautifully shot. It is deeply upsetting. It's essentially about oil fields, oil drilling, oil management, the corporate fingers that are in kitties and etcetera, in the Middle East.

It's super crazy upsetting. Crazy crazy upsetting. So if you are interested in things that are about this world and how dark it can be, that is something you may wanna consume. If you like living in the bubble of the only void is the pizza noid, like, then don't watch it. Move on.

Matt. I'm ready now. You ready? Yeah. K.

I have watched Chinatown 15 times and never stayed awake. Wow. Like, tried so hard and I always feel guilty. So far. Yeah.

I made it through. Never even mattered. It's so good. It is. Yeah?

Yeah. So much better than I thought it was gonna be. I like it better as Roger Rabbit, but it's very I studied that movie in college. Yeah? Yeah.

In my in my film study class. Like, I thought it was great. Yeah. Bobby Towne. And then the other thing I watched was the trailer to The Science of Sleep.

Okay. So that's pretty cool. Explain yourself. Why did I watch it? What what is it?

Because I could have do you know this movie? No. It's a Spanish film from like 04 or 5. Charlotte Ginsburg. And you know the actor, but I don't know what his name is.

Like, he's Spanish that time period. Antonio Banderas. Antonio Banderas. Oh, Zoro. I'm thinking of Zoro.

Oh, yeah. Mask of Zoro. No. It's just really cool It's like Alfred Molina or something. If Zoro.

Animated, like, about him dreaming and it blurs the lines of reality. And I'd watched it, like, when it came out. What year? 2004? 2004, 06, 06, something like that.

It's really cool. And I loved it back then and it was one of those movies that This is different from waking life. Right? Yes. It is different.

Yes. This is something that, like Or scanner darkly or yeah. It's always in your brain, but I couldn't remember what it was called. Like, I remember watching it and just it being so impactful, but it was like, what's the name of the man? Effect thing.

Yeah. No. No. And then I finally figured it out and I was like I watched the trailer and I was, it's probably a little bit silly now. But I was like, oh, shit.

Yeah. We'll see. Probably. I'll probably bring it onto the show. Oh, yeah.

Make you guys watch it too. Oh, we'll see. I would watch that. That's crazy. No.

It is actually it was it's a really interesting because it was that weird time period where people were, like, pushing in those times, starting to talk about mental illness and stuff Oh, yeah. But not really like Anxiety. Yeah. Anxiety. Things like that.

Hey. Listen to Matt on his next episode where he's the guest in 2030. Otherwise, you can catch him as a co host much sooner. For Virgin Suicides. That's right.

We already negotiated that. I think that's the that's the perfect next movie for me to do after this one. Virgin Suicides? Yeah. Yeah?

Okay. Good. Movie that we're doing. I haven't watched Virgin Suicides since high school. Wow.

I've never seen it. Here you go. It's a sequel to, like, It's, Sofia Coppola's first movie. Oh. Yeah.

There you go. Josh Hartnett, Kirsten Dunst. Mhmm. You're gonna have a great time. Well, we've talked about How about Josh Hartnett?

How we're doing. Yes. We've talked about what we're watching. Yes. Oppenheimer like a motherfucker.

30 days of night. Right? So good. Josh Hartnett back in Oppenheimer made me so happy. He's so great.

Mozart and the Whale. I've never seen it. Oh. What a random poll. That's my favorite Josh Hart in a movie.

It's so weird. He has Asperger's. I think mine is o because I think Oh. His Iago slash Hugo is is a really strong interpretation of the character. It's a fellow.

Julia Stiles. I'm not familiar. Broken backboard dump. It's Othello set in a high school around a basketball team and it's really good. Really?

Yeah. They took the last action hero idea that became Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet that became, like, 10 Things Ain't About You that became, oh, these offbeat modernizations. Suicide. Machine guns. Virgin suicides.

But we're not talking about virgin suicides right now. No. We're not. Ben Yes. Tell me about what we are talking about, please.

Archaeology is the search for facts. Life as a house. House. House. Weird.

House. Talking about a movie called Duck, You Sucker, AKA Fistful of Dynamite. That is terrible. Which when I watched it, it was called Fistful of Dynamite on my screen. Uh-oh.

Great. Did I watch a different movie? Who knows? We'll find out. Euro International and MGM distributed PG rated 1970 How?

How? Distributed in 1972, made in 1971. That's fine. How's it PG? There gotta be a 100 pieces of shit.

The seventies, Paul. I saw the it's like the I saw balls. But James Bond it was like the James Bond stuff where it was like Nobody said fucking James Bond. There was no PG 13 yet. I know.

I know. But nobody said fucking James Bond. I didn't see anybody's balls in James Bond. Well, you weren't looking hard enough. Thank my, Petra.

I'm looking for balls all the time. You're in luck. Oh, see you later. Well, see you later. It is 2 hours and 40 minutes, Matt.

Yeah. It is. Goddamn it. Fucking fucker. The budget on this movie.

They didn't edit. It's in real time. It's just, okay. Now we're gonna have to go over here. Budget on this movie was not recorded.

So $0,000,000. Yep. Adjusted $0,000,000. Opening weekend, July 2, 1972. So it does In the US.

In the US. It does fall into a summer. It does. But, no recorded for 0,000,000. It didn't make anything.

We don't know. But the final gross in Italy was 1,000 or sorry. 1,000,000,829 1,402,000 lira Yeah. Is the way to read that? Seems like a high number.

It's just like, doesn't it? Would be oh my god. For currency that no longer exists? 35,000,000,000, 54,000,000, 60 no. That's not right.

That Is it 35,000,000,000,000? Is it 35,000,000,000,000,000,62,000,000,000, 621,000 no. No. No. It is 35,000,000,000, sorry.

Okay. 54,000,000 Oh, more. $62,622.83. What's the lira to the dollar? Yo.

I tried to find the lira to the euro to the to the to the to the to the and it says, stop it. No. Other releases in 1972, get ready and get excited because it's delivering. Lose your ass. You got it.

That's why you said I'm very excited. Squeal like a piggy. Sure does. Weekend top 5 NA. Nonalcoholic?

Mhmm. Okay. There might not have been 5 movies out. No alcohol. Top 5 films this year, Domestic, The Godfather, The Poseidon Adventure, What's Up Doc?

Deliverance and Deep Throat. That's for adults. That's awesome. I love that that was the 5 number 5 grossing movie in 72. You you fucking perverts.

You've always been around. Other films from Too bad. Other films from 1972, Across A 100 and 10th Street, Frenzy, Cabaret, Jeremiah Johnson, Jerger. Last House on the Left. Letterbox average for this movie is 3.9.

Follow me at run bmc. Follow me at paulxbadley. Rotten Tomatoes, 92%. Medicritic is 77. IMDB, 7.6.

Major award wins and noms, David Donatello, award for best director at the Italian Academy Award. Best is it would that be best I'm gonna tell you who won that award. It was writer director, Sergio Leone. Oh, I was gonna why is David oh, it's a David Zellows award. Yeah.

The David Donatello award for best director won by, and assume unless I say otherwise, rest in peace. So director writer was Sergio Leone. Once upon a time in the west, once upon a time in America, a fistful of dollars. Additional writers, Sergio Donati. He is still with us.

Raw Deal starring Schwarzenegger. And this is me on a screen here. Right? And Orca. The camera.

And Luciano Vincenzioni for Safari. Director of photography was Giuseppe Rousselini, Otopus Rex, Firestarter, Stregatti. Music, Ennio Morricone. The untouchables, the thing in the line of fire. Producer, Flavio Marcella.

Mostly only films it looks like. Was Marconi's last movie Hateful 8 before he passed? I think so. I believe so. Okay.

Cast. Rod Steiger, who was born in West Hampton, New York to Augusta and Frederick Steiger and was of German and Austrian ancestry, rest in peace. He was Juan. In the heat of the night, and the specialist as Joe Leon. Yes, you were gonna say, Matt.

Just that his parents seem like they were probably quite, white. Weird. Yeah. Maybe he is. I don't know.

Seems like. Seems seems likely. And I do need to mention, he was captain to Neil in the Simpsons episode Simpson Tide. Please do. That's when Bart got his ears pierced.

Oh. It's my first day. James Coburn as John, Payback, The Great Escape, and Sharad. Sharad. Romulo Valle, doctor Viegas, the leopard, death in Venice, Maria Monti, who is still with us, stagecoach woman.

She was, mostly in Italian features in television. Rick Battilia, Santurna, Sandokan the great, Esther and the king. Franco Graziosi, Governor Jaime, the Great Beauty, we have a pope. Antoine Saint John was Colonel Reza, the Beyond, Ginger and Fred. Vivienne Chandler was Colleen, a Clockwork Orange, and young Sherlock Holmes.

David Warbeck was Sean Nolan. Hunters of the Golden Cobra, which based on title sounds fucking awesome. And Fatal Frames. Matthew. Some fun facts?

Some fun facts. Fun facts. Fun facts. Everybody well Are you gonna take my job? Somebody somebody already did.

Oh, no. It's already been taken, bro. Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time.

There you go. Hey. Eli Wallach sued Sergei Leone and the production company of this film after Leone begged Wallach to quit a production he was on to star in the film. Once Wallach agreed, shooting had begun with Rod Steiger in the lead role. Leone offered no compensation to Wallach regardless.

I'll sue you, Wallach told the director to which Leone said, get in line. It was the last time they spoke to each other. Wow. Cool. Get in line.

Cool. Cool. God Siger earned what was then a record paycheck of $700,000 to play Juan in this film. One time, James Bond, George Lazonby Lazonby. Yeah.

Sure. Was offered the He's the richest Bond. I don't even know who he is. He played Bond, only did one. Only did one.

He invested really really well and got some shares for stuff. Only did one. He's a very rich guy. Either way, sorry. Go ahead.

Well, this guy was offered the starring role in this film and took it only to turn it down later. Cool fun fact, bro. For real. I didn't write these. Sam Peckinpah, which is how I found this movie, agreed to direct this film after Peter Bogdanovich had turned down the project.

But for financial reasons, Peckinpah was turned down by United Artists. Maybe not just financial reasons. Yeah. Maybe not. Russ Steiger prepared for the role of Juan by taking accent and language lessons with a Mexican woman for 3 months.

His goal was to use inflections that would imply Juan's difficulty with speaking English instead of his native Spanish and maintained the accent throughout the course of filming. To create John's accent, James Coburn vacationed in Ireland for a couple of weeks. Yeah. And you can kinda tell What? When you kinda forget he's supposed to be Irish for a while.

Yeah. Until he has flashbacks. And you're like, oh, that's Ireland. It's so Irish. Like, oh, that's Ireland.

Got it. Sometimes it's real thick, though. It's my island. Sometimes it's real thick. Yeah.

He really lays it on the top of his mustache. Yeah. His mustache is very Irish. He doesn't look Irish at all. No.

You trying to point at your mustache? My I got a pretty it's pretty close. To his mustache? It's it's pretty porno bushy. To the guy to the guy in his shirt?

Is probably the right word. It's not quite it doesn't quite have the handlebar action. It that's Coburn's. Little gross. Yeah.

So does Coburn's. Okay. There are 4 cuts of the film available in the US. Anywhere between 15 minutes and 12 hours. Yes.

Yes. Right. I think we all saw the 12 hour one. There are two titles for this film. The other is Fistful of Dynamite.

The preferred cut by Leone was the now unavailable nonexistent cut that was 40 minutes longer than the 157 minute version that is most common. I, Matt, am not happy about reading this, but I would like to take the moment to acknowledge that I made fun of this podcast for being feeling too long. Sometimes 3, sometimes 12 hours also. As I inexplicitly brought a western that from the seventies that is the longest movie ever brought to the podcast maybe ever made and I do not apologize. That's not that's not how it's written.

It says I do apologize. How it's written. It says I do apologize. That is the longest movie ever brought to the podcast. Maybe ever made.

I'm gonna read the same line again. I still don't apologize. I did not set you up for success in helping you no. You did not success by asking me back. Anyways, super long, super boring podcast guys.

Thanks for listening. It is my fault. This episode is brought to you by just sheer fucking boredom. That's pure boredom. I do have to say Are you as high as Paul is right now?

It's probably interesting. No clothes. No clothes. No clothes. Paul's wearing no clothes.

I'm not sure I ain't gonna show you that. No clothes. I will say, when we do podcasts with your wife, they're more normal. They're more normal? Yeah.

Well, but you both know her and you both know me. Enjoy this break so you're not surprised. We're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back and talk about duck, you sucka. Yo. This is crazy Crank Dude Chris, and I'm coked out and cody with this boring fucking ad for the shitty shit show.

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Thank you. I appreciate it. I celebrate piece of shit over here. I celebrated you. In fact We should be we should both be everyone should be celebrated.

My Virg is on Friday and Jess has got me a chiropractic massage. And I will be getting very high for that. That sounds delightfully boring. 80 minutes. Oh.

And I will definitely get high for that because it's getting high before a massage. Transcendent. You know, new And I don't I have that high in a very long time. I don't get high often. But I will take a gummy for that for sure.

It is premium boring. It's so annoying. Unlike this podcast, which is medium boring. I ultimately fall asleep. Oh.

Oh, you know what we forgot to do? I'm so old that like, oh my god. Sweet. You don't do you don't do acup you do acupuncture. I do.

Paul, we forgot to do something very cruel. Before we talk about this movie, Matt Yes? There's a question I have for you. It's a question that you ultimately should be prepared for. You've been here several many times.

Was it the tagline? It's a log line. It's not the tagline. Log line. It is the log line of this film.

2 to 3 2 to 6 sentence elevator pitch. Elevator pitch of this movie. Do you have all the time in the world? The first the first part of this, think of, if I were if you if you describe me in a movie. Have you ever seen Paul in brown face?

Yeah. You told me you burned those photos. You you know, I thought about it and I can't couldn't come up with anything. No log line? No.

I came up with nothing. Ben, if you were to think of the first character of this movie, if they were based on me, how would you describe that person? Based on you? Yeah. If you if you were like, it's a movie about Paul.

Say, down on his luck, former piece of shit. Baby looked at me. Baby looked at him and decided he wasn't. I did try to get a sloppy steak this evening. Found his way out On the hamburger.

Of the gutter of Vancouver, Washington Ethically ambiguous. Into the bigger gutter of Los Angeles, California only to find himself to be a great guy Oh, buddy. And such a delightful human to him. This is the one who is very attracted to another man, but probably not sexual. Maybe only sexual in the sense of like the John Stamos sexual.

Oh. Woah. Where we'd all kinda like okay. Yeah. He was he was in the Beach Boys.

Woah. John Stamos? I was liked him better than Brian Wilson anyway. Yeah. I like what Ben said way better.

The thing I was trying to infer was a lowlife bandit. Oh. I was close. You wish you wish you were a lowlife bandit. You wish you could have sent to that.

That would be your D and D character. What am I? A Korbold? No. You're a rogue.

I'm a Korbold rogue. Now that we've gone over that fucking Low life. Nerd bullshit. A low life bandit and an IRA. That's the Irish Republican Army.

Explosive expert, rebel against the government and become heroes of the Mexican Revolution. That awesome little tune. And that is the movie we'll be talking about. So Quentin Tarantino loved this movie. This is a weird Yeah.

This is a weird thing. I'm 98% sure that only Ben and I are the first is this your first time seeing this, Ben? This is probably, like, the 3rd time I've seen it. This is the first time I've seen this. I'm just kidding.

I've never seen this before. You I was too wild. Fucking. You're, like, cooler than I thought you were. You're both lying to me so much.

I am not cool. So I guess between the 2 of Ben and I Yeah. I get I mean, who talks about their experience first? Matt, do you wanna take the baton? Or do Ben and I exclusively pay play a round of cinephile here for who speaks how do you wanna do this?

I don't think you have to play unless you wanna. You're welcome to play cinephile. I'm shaking the cards. Is that the game the game that I don't really understand With an actor face and everybody says a movie and tell them everything they want. She's an actor that they all named a movie they're in.

That they were in? Yeah. I listened to that 4 before I understood what was happening. Do you want I won't be good at it, but yes. You wanna play?

Sure. Draw a card. And you get the freebie on there. So I don't say who it is. You say who it is.

Person, and then you get the free movie. Got it. Brad Pitt, California. Okay. It's you.

Micho Black. Ocean's 11. Burn after reading. Ocean's 12. Ocean's 13.

Ocean's 14. Wait. Try one more time. Oh, I was so excited to go for a while on that. I was I lost it.

No. Go ahead. I lost. Okay. You wanna keep going?

Keep going now. Keep going. Keep going. 7. True romance.

Cutting class. Moneyball. I froze. Alright. Ben won.

Jesus. I froze fast. Yeah. Wow. Well I should have seen it in California.

Big Short. You oh, there's so many. There's so many. I can't even think of one now. Once upon a time No one's all we know.

Mister and missus fight club. The Mexican Fight club. Yeah. Nobody said fight club. Nobody said Thelma and Louise.

No. Matt, you brought this. Yes. You technically, you lost. You, not me.

You lost. Yeah. Who lost is this picture of Brad Pitt. I see. That's like from True Romance?

True Romance. Yeah. He's got like the honey bear thing. Yeah. Matt.

Yes. You brought this film to us. I did. Because you could bring any film you wanted and you were like, fuck you, Paul. I'm gonna bring a 3 hour movie.

Eat shit. I think that was your attitude. No. It's literally what I emailed. What was your what's your first experience with this movie?

Walk us through. I found it on accident. I was trying to find Peckinpah. Oh. I'm a big Marc Maron fan.

Mhmm. And he every time that there is any director, whoever, if there's a connection to Peckinpah, that's who he wants to talk about. And I'd seen some a couple of things. My favorite movie maybe my favorite movie in the whole world is Pat Garrett, and Billy the Kid, which is peck and pot with Bob Dylan. It's so good.

Straw dogs. Straw dogs. That's my peck and pot. But I was looking for something like that, and I didn't know who Leone was. I hadn't seen or I don't know that I'd seen anything of his before.

But this came up on researching for Peck and Pah. You don't wanna pay any money. This is free. Is this in the national library, national registry? It seemed to be available everywhere digitally.

Really? Yeah. I saw it on, Amazon Prime, but Yeah. Yeah. Same.

If you have a low enough income like me and you qualify for Tubi, it is available on Tubi. With less commercials? That's a Matt Foskett joke. I told him I had Tubi, and he goes, you qualify for that? I thought you had to have had a certain income threshold.

Tubi has commercials. Right? It does have commercials. Because I watch this without commercials. Wow.

Yeah. There's no way I watch this movie with commercials. No fucking way. If you watch this on, like, TNT with commercials I didn't sit through this movie without without. 4 hours if you watch it on television.

But I watched it with knowing obviously, I knew who, James Coburn was. But outside of that, nothing. Just fully, cold, and it just blew me away. I was gonna see a bunch of it. I love the way it shot.

I love the music. I didn't know if Juan was a good actor or a terrible actor. He's great. And for the first half of the movie, I thought he was, like, a random Mexican actor that they just got to play in the Spaghetti Western. And then as it goes, you just realize, like, it's just brilliant.

I didn't realize he was gonna be one of the main characters for sure. Yeah. I was like, oh. Yeah. It just keeps going.

Okay. But it's he he keeps building. Like, his character keeps to me, keeps evolving and building to where, like, by the end, you're like, there's so much that you're putting into this. He has an understanding of what things really are in the world outside of just the class struggle. Right.

And what the class struggle really entails too. It's so much more than than one dimensional. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna know what's what was your rating before you rewatched it recently?

Is it was this one of your favorites? Was this some was this like, I need to rewatch this because I don't remember? It's been a little while since I watched it. I showed it to Rachel, and she had the exact same reaction that I did, which was just like, holy shit. Like, what is this?

Like, it's crazy. I probably like above 4. 4a half? Yeah. Like, 4 2, 4 3, something like that.

He did the liberty. He took the fucking liberty. He gets it. He gets it. These guests are good at this.

Okay. So Matt's got a 4.25. No. 4.23. Goddamn it.

Jesus. Don't exaggerate. It's supposed to be 2 fives, but he hey. It's his show. Don't what do you do?

Don't be hyperbolic, Paul. What do you do? So, Paul? No. What was this one?

This was your recent watch too? Recent watch. I definitely noticed some things that I hadn't noticed before, maybe paid a little more attention or certain things that were didn't really work out as well as maybe they intended. Weird edits, some strange performances, like, where it's like, oh, that wasn't good acting. The flashback stuff is weird.

Yeah. It's very strange. But I kinda like it that it's so weird, but it's very weird. Cool throuple though. Kinda throuple it, guys.

Yeah. I was like, wow. Really progressive. Like, it's shit. It's so it's so bizarre.

It's supposed to be like Mexican revolution slash world war 1 era. Irish revolution. Yeah. Pre industrial revolution. But then, like just love.

Just, you know Yeah. Polygamy Yeah. Or whatever. Like and not necessary. So now that we've gone over that, Matt Yeah.

Some weird performances, some weird flashbacks. Where are you? Maybe down to like a 44, 4.1, something like that. 4.1. 4.1.

Down a little bit. We we call that a 4. Okay. So say 4. Paul calls that the hardest he can get.

I don't get it. You don't know Paul well enough. Enough. Well, I don't know. That's not true, Ben.

Matt and I are very close friends. Very close. At least it's as close as you and I. We're all I'm close friends to both of you. Nothing says I have a lot of close friends.

You're friends more than having to convince people that you Very friendly and very fucking likable. Fuck you. Goddamn it. I'm finishing my coffee. I'm gonna go.

Finishing my coffee? Just calm down. I'm finishing my coffee. Chill out. I'm calm.

Calm down. I'm calm, dude. Can you calm down? Calmer than you are. I gotta go.

Calmer than you are. Calm than you are. Okay. I guess that throws it to me because I was the next loser. In this trouble, you are the bottom.

It is. I am the guy who gets shot in the face. Yep. I can't remember what movies Brad Pitt was in. Nope.

What a fucking piece of shit. You didn't even lose. You lost. Yeah. I know.

But he also But I but, like, let him, you know. Give him his moment. Okay. We all forgot about Fight Club. We did.

Like, we all deserve that. It's pretty bad. Cool world. I had never seen this movie. The thing that was wild for me is I know that this was on TV at some point in my childhood.

My dad had it on. Because there were things that I was like, I've see I know I've seen this. I know I've seen this. Like the pissing on the ants. My dad loves yeah.

Because that's the thing I'd for sure I mean, as a kid, like, you'd just expect I'd remember that right? No. Of course, there's explosions. The movie had been on broadcast TV. Obviously, words were changed or things were cut out and there were commercials.

I have ADHD still to this day. It was not easy to watch the first time, it wasn't super easy to watch this time for much different reasons partly because kid with ADHD super hyper etcetera etcetera now, Very dull, dumb, boring man with ADHD that can't handle paying attention to things that have nuance or make any sort of good sense. But I watched this movie today. I had to take a couple breaks. I don't dislike this movie.

You didn't follow the manzukas rules. This is not a bad movie. I make my own fucking rules. Okay. My own magnetic levitation ride thing.

I'm sure you've heard of it. It levitates gonna give this movie a reluctant, very willing and ready to engage 2 and a half. It levitates. Because it looks good at times. I love the score at times.

James Coburn performance at times is the thing that actually gets me and some of the tiny little roles that, like, it's just like people coming in and giving, like, one little line, and you're like, fucking great work by so many people. But I'm at a 2a half right now. I'm excited to have this discussion and see where we all end up. Okay. At Astra.

This was my first viewing of this movie. I will say I've seen, like, the Deadpool 2? I have seen Deadpool 2. Yeah. And he is in that.

You're right. I would say I have seen the higher echelon of Spaghetti Westerns, I guess. Same. Good Man, the Ugly, Once Upon High in the West. Yeah.

That original trilogy. And I hadn't heard of this, honestly. And so when Paul told me, I was like, what the fuck? What the what the fuck is this? What am I talking what am I what am I watching?

It makes a lot of sense. What am I watching? And when I saw how long it was, I was like, oh, it's super close. Why am I watching? Why why why am I watching?

Because man is a sadist. Man is a sadist. And I I feel like I have this experience with a lot of classics, in particular westerns, Speedy westerns. I do like a lot of westerns. I love John Ford.

I do like Peckinpah. Bud Betcher. That's way back. But yeah. You're gonna do your own fucking western.

It's a fucking great genre. I am in the midst of preproduction for my own western. Am I right? And there's so much in this that I recognize as being this is this is the part of, like, watching some classics for me where I'm, like, I recognize the level of talent and skill in that goes into this, and I'm very impressed. And, like, I can see why people are taking away so much from it.

It's also for me similar to Paul where I'm, like, but my current 2 20 24 brain is having a really hard time just trying to, like, pay attention in these very long drawn out moments that just keep going. And you're like, okay. Come on. Let's keep that. Sit on faces.

I have fallen asleep to this movie many times. I that makes a lot of sense to me. Because there's just moments where I'm just like, okay. I get it. I get what you're saying.

Can we just can we just can we keep this going? For me, this is 3 sticks of dynamite. Love the lighting. I really love the lighting actually. I think the lighting is so much talking about.

Movie at times is so goddamn gorgeous. I love a lot of the shots, and I love the soundtrack quite a bit. But, again, like and this, again, like, if I had seen this movie in the theater Yeah. That probably a wholly different experience. If there was an intermission.

Possibly. Yeah. Like, hopefully. There really should be. Yeah.

With that, I think Yeah. Let's not get too bored here. We should start the movie. I think we should start the movie. Let's start the movie.

God damn movie. God damn movie. God damn movie. God damn movie. God damn movie.

God damn movie. God damn movie. And now, our feature presentation. And I want Peter Sellers. Do we have to act out that scene in the stagecoach?

You do. Go for it. I wanna say one thing really quick. Can you be The thing that really pulls me in in movies, we were talking about Nightmare on Elm Street earlier, Matt and I. Things that start with quotes, like historical text or what have you.

And that whole thing about revolution is an act of violence and that that just white titles on black screen. Like, this is what this is about. Like, this is what this is. Don't don't think about it other ways. This is what this is about.

I don't know about that. I actually think a I mean, it's a very deep nuanced thing in general. Right? I think this movie starts stronger than the movie for me is. I think the first act of this movie is the best part.

The ant piss? I feel like the beginning of this movie is really strong. Yeah. The like, it starts with, like, a dude pissing on an anthill. And the introduction of the characters of, like, this is our and and when we introduce when we see him, he's just a down on your luck guy who's looking looking for help.

A fucking thigh high tube sock with a grapefruit in the end of it for a cock? Because you see that thing in the shadow. It's hilarious. Yeah. And I ran it back because it was like inner space.

I just finished cutting our inner space episode. I'm sure you all enjoyed that. But it said that, like, you can see Quaid's dick in the shadow. Start the fucking reactor here because this guy's got a world ender. So let me because it's ridiculous.

So he's like pretty nice, before he, like, sexually assaulted the lady, he was like, but you have a nice dick, so it's cool. So you're the one looking for balls. Yeah. So does question, does he sexually assault her? It's like a thing where he, like, he keeps advancing and but she doesn't say no.

The next time we see him, he's taking her jewelry off, and she's fully clothed. Yeah. So So we don't know what happened. Oh, she touched his shit. Is the implication that he does sexually assault her?

I I If if that is the implication, then I'm going to propose that I don't think he's a redeemable character. I don't think many people in this are redeemable. I don't think that's the point. That's the thing is I think humanity is not really. There's just haves and have nots and Well, yeah.

I think that for me, that's one of the things that attracts me to the film Yeah. Is that it has nothing to do with a good guy, a bad guy. I mean, obviously, there's Nazis from Indiana Jones. Yes. 100%.

They are fully Nazis. Although, there's gonna be a lot of people fucking Germanic. They're probably looking for historical artifacts. This belongs in a museum. So do you.

So do you, you beep. Damn it. I was gonna try. I do as we were saying that a move back a step. The stage coach thing and Ben you were saying, when we see Rod Steiger, he just seems like a nobody.

And the reveal of as Ron the stage coach, we see all these, like, affluent halves. And a cardinal? Question mark. Wealthy and religious some sort. Respectable white privileged folks who are just saying horrible shit.

A very Italian. In front of him talking about him as an animal. Yeah. When they invite him These close ups of them just grossly. It's pretty vile.

Disgusting. When they invite him on there and they treat him so poorly and, like, take it like, don't sit there. That's where my hat is. Right. The bigotry and racism is very fucking hamper.

And they they use the n word. A lot. A lot. A lot. As much as the lira that this movie made for adjustment.

It's that many times. And it's still PG. This is less PG than Earth Girls are easy. Porn for races. I saw balls.

You did. Then you saw the shadow of a ball. Was anyone else that in in post. Because this is the first viewing. Was anyone else, like, surprised that, oh, there are motor vehicles in this world?

When the first motorcycle showed up, I was like, oh, that's this type. Because we saw a horse drawn carriage. Now we're seeing a motorcycle. I was like, wait. What era are we in?

I had an idea this was about World War 1 ish, but I I agree. I wasn't sure. I was like, okay. Just I think you're more talking about Post of war. But location.

Like The setup and the location make you feel like this is a classic western, like, 1800s. No. I think it's like the because he has a machine gun in Ireland. No. I'm talking about We're talking about very early on.

Early on. Like stagecoach robbery stuff. Yeah. Yeah. They all have rifles and 6 shooters.

Yeah. Don't they? Yeah. And everybody on the stagecoach has, like, single bolt action bikes. Has more to do with where it's taking place though.

And that being in Mexico, there's less Well, I'm just saying that I was surprised when motorcycle showed up. Because the motorcycle's supposed to be in the top of the time frame. Yeah. I think it's more of what they have than than where the I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying I was I didn't know what era the movie was set in.

The the movie doesn't it doesn't present us with a lot of backstory, with a lot of information about anybody. And I agree with what you're saying where, like, sometimes that's to its strength where it's like, oh, everything's very gray. And so I get to do the work, which sometimes I don't love doing as I've said on this podcast. But, also, like, sometimes, like I said, I don't wanna do the work till, like, say, like, 1910 or whatever. It putting that graphic in in that era can be expensive and difficult.

Yeah. But the movie just leaves you to interpret a lot for yourself. A lot. Not always bad. No.

I'm not saying it was a bad thing. I remember it was, like, okay, out of nowhere. It just surprised me. Yeah. Because I was like, oh.

Oh, that's oh, we're in a different okay. Okay. Yeah. Mhmm. Oh, I thought we were here.

Okay. We're here. Okay. Catching up. Yeah.

I I felt I was playing catch up at times too. But I do I did like the reveal of James Coburn's character. Oh my god. I thought it was pretty cool. Dude, when he pulls out the little vial and he's got, like, the die hard thing of the red and the clear liquid Yeah.

And pops it on the rocks. And why he doesn't explode, I have no fucking idea. Because when he is He's just the right fucking idea. Because when he He's just the right amount. Demonstrate yeah.

Just the correct amount of cocaine. But, apparently, it's wanna go. It's a short fuse. That's the that's the best. He's asleep and he's just like, short fuse.

Yep. Where a dude literally blows himself up. James Coburn gets his mic, his motorcycle shot. Yeah. Needs it fixed and Rod Steiger in brown face is like, buddy, wait.

You're like magical. You can blow shit up. We want you to work with us to make money, to steal, like we're bandits. And James Coburn's like cool. Fix my shit and goes to bed.

And in the meantime, they ransack his dynamite and a guy dies. Yep. And he just laughs about it. And that's constant through this movie. That's the thing that's very western to me is life has no value.

Sure. Like, actual human being, essence, soul, whatever, there's no concept of it. Who gives a shit? Yeah. But then there's, very interesting human connections that they have, but it's not for specific reasons, kind of.

Explain. Like, by the end Him and him and Yeah. But there's a reason for them to have some sort of human connection other than just that they do. Yeah. I mean, I think you could make an argument this is a buddy movie.

Similar struggle. Yeah. You can make an argument that this is like a a a a buddy cop movie. I agree. It left me a lot at a lot of points being, like, fuck.

I wanna watch Bush Cassidy. Yeah. I haven't watched that in a long time. For me, that's, like, the absolute tip top of, like, buddy westerns, and I know that's fucking stereotypical. But that's a really good movie.

I mean, it's not Shanghai noon. Wow. Or sorry. Shanghai night? Wow.

Wow. So I actually this is when the movie starts to look really beautiful when you get the vista view where they're, like, sitting with the chairs outside, having dinner, drinking wine. That's so cool. They pulled shit out of the stagecoach. It wasn't when they dropped all the naked people off.

The balls? Yeah. I do like the balls. Yeah. I knew you were looking for balls.

Yeah. I was starting to get bored. That is really pretty though. Rod Steiger just like fucking holding court. Yeah.

Like the ping pong with them. This is a scene that like kinda grabbed me. Yeah. After this, this is the point for me where the movie's kinda it's like, man, this is puttering. Fuck.

That's why I think act 1 is so strong. The character introductions are so strong. Gonna rob a bank. And Yeah. And But then they get to the bank.

Yeah. And then it's split it down. Everything could've got edited a little bit faster. I think I think that's true. I think again, this is when I look back and go, is this me or is this the time?

Yes. Right? And I think it's both because now I can't separate myself from 2024, and we can't separate this movie from 1972. Have people seen Once Upon A Time in America? Yes.

The movie you did in the eighties with the Nero? Yeah. I haven't seen it since I was young, and I just have been avoiding it because I've it's a long it's a very long movie. It doesn't pace well. Feels long.

It doesn't pace well. Okay. But, again, I think when we talk about pace now, it's so hard because that that TikTok. That has exactly. All of our collective attention spans have shortened.

Mhmm. I will say, like, I do my best when I watch these movies for this podcast to not have another screen. I do my best Yeah. Same. Because I wanna treat it like I'm watching it in the movie theater.

And for me in a movie theater, no phones, nothing. Yep. We are just giving our attention to the movie. And this movie made it very challenging for me. I I put my phone across the room charging it.

Right? But at times, it was just like, I'd feel I'd I'd hear a buzz and be like, oh, I got a text. Yep. Just because the movie just has those moments where you feel like you could take a break. But if you do take that break, you might miss something.

The music though keeps you enthralled. The moo the music keeps it moving really well and, like, the use of trains for passages of time and distance and shit. And this is literally when the time where they are gonna ride to Mesa Verde. They're gonna take horses, and then they literally jump a train. I like the gag of Coburn waiting because the train's gonna hit them Mhmm.

As they're following the train track to where they wanna go because Coburn's joined these guys. And he breaks right as the train goes by and fucking jumps the train. Yeah. And he's gone. And it's such a great, just classic, basic, funny thing.

Like, the payoff's nice. The horse is wearing the hat. Yeah. It's good. It's a good visual.

Did you have something, or were you just leaning forward? I was just agreeing. Oh. Can you say I concur? I concur.

We have an accord. Yeah. Okay. Great. Thank you, senator.

We're at, Mesa Verde. A bank robbery. Right? Well, there's a It's supposed to be a bank robbery. Yeah.

And there's a firing squad. Right. People are just getting fucking shot out in public. We're we're meeting the villains. Right.

The true villains. You said that the racism is, like, heavy handed. No. I think the movie is hand handed in general. But this part of just this, like, it's just genocide.

It is. That Mexican revolutionist Yeah. Over and over and over. But I but I do think that main dude straight up looks like Spielberg would cast him in Indiana Jones. And Like, he's a little too pretty.

He's so angular. All that shit. So angular. You know, we see these people get shot and, like, kind of what's going on, like, the reality that it seems like James Coburn understands. I kept forgetting that in Mexico, to be honest.

I kept forgetting we were in Mexico. Where are we? Where are we? Where are we? Because it was, like, these guys do not look Mexican, the bad guys.

I'm like, oh, they're Mexican, though. Nobody. Yeah. Other than some of the smaller roles. Characters.

But, like, the main the villains, I was like, wait. Oh, hold on. Are they wait. Where? Wait.

Wait. And I'm like, wait. We're Mexico. We're Mexico. Keep reminding myself we're in Mexico because these are Mexican bad guys.

But are we sure this isn't when Germany was occupying Mexico? Was that during World War 1, during the Mexican revolution? Same time. What I was saying that all was Spain. No.

All that's why I was saying that all German beer or all Mexican beer is German recipes. It's from when Germany But wasn't that earlier? Maybe. I thought Spain I thought they got the revolution I thought the Mexican revolution was from Spain. Either way, the real indictment on on this goal today our teachers.

Google it. Is not only our teachers, but, like, the TikTok thing and how people in the seventies were like, I understand this history, and we're like, what is what is the what now? 2 plus 2 is, Wait. Where you grew up in? Seattle.

Seattle. But Very white. Paul's supposed to be dumb. No. I'm just saying.

Battle ground in Juno. I mean, sure. I will say that, like, the meeting that they have that, Rod Steiger's character is, like, pulled into. Uh-huh. And I do love that he's, like, I know my family.

I know my friends. My country is the people that I love. Like, I I love what, like, inspires and drives him. Mhmm. Because it makes sense to me as, like, somebody who sees themself as a rugged individual.

Whether or not that's true, probably not. But Wait. Right. Thank you. You see yourself as a rugged individual?

To a degree. I have a rough tough doors he does. There's a little the rugged individualism. I have a rugged individualism. That's a fascinating point of view to have.

Interesting. To confirm It's a really creative way to think about it. I'm not an I'm not an individualist. Give me what I want. To confirm, the the 1910 to 1920 Mexican revolution was between Mexico and Spain.

Okay. Okay. So you grew up in Seattle, grew up in Juneau. We went over. Very far north.

Yeah. But the first time I recall any of the revolution stuff really being brought up where it's like, this is what's happening is, like, an hour and 2 minutes into the movie Yeah. Where they're having and and it's like Well, it's meant to be a little late. Fucking lead for 40 minutes. Yeah.

I mean, I think they mentioned they mentioned revolution very early on, and James Coburn kinda, like, has a moment where he His diary flake. Relates to them about it. But it's like he's over here Yeah. And what Juan and his family are doing are something different. Yeah.

Because he is is thinking, like, oh, revolution revolution, they're thinking survival. Yeah. It's also it's all just all preservation. And I thought it was interesting to I feel like when they get to Mesa Verde is when his brain shifts to, like, there's something like, this is bigger. Well, you get the flashbacks.

Right? Oh, we've had a couple few of those already. We're starting to put together that he's had this, like, history and he lost somebody. He's got the again, I think to Paul's point, it is it's a little heavy handed when we talk about, like, maybe one flashback. But it buries the lead at times too.

That's the thing that's hard for me. Like I said, it's like there's 40 minutes where I'm like, what what it I know it's these 2 guys, like, bonding over things, but, like Threesome. They had a threesome. Yeah. A devil's threesome.

But we've also talked about, like, how a lot of it is just, like, there's a medium shot on someone and it's sitting there for 40 seconds, and then it starts to push in and music rises or what have you. And I'm like, So does he does he see and won the semi sexual relationship he had with this other dude in Ireland? Oh, I wonder. Why why are we getting these at these moments, I guess, is my question. Is there about a dude and a woman that he seemed to have something with?

These 2, like, love each other. That's, like, the beautiful through line of the movie to me. It's, like, there's, like, this mutual, like, respect and reverence and love that they seem to build through it. But again, like That's what the movie's about. I've thought of it more, the flashbacks of and I could be wrong, but I've thought about it more as providing context for his character for the viewer more than him actually having flashbacks.

Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I feel Sometimes I feel his facial expression is telling me specifically this is what he's thinking about. I think he might be right, but I hadn't thought about it like that. I hadn't thought about it more of, like, oh, let's just give the audience a little bit more backstory to him Yeah.

Of I guess my question then with that is, like, we don't need so many. Right? There are yeah. Several. I don't know.

Well, the one is, like, 45 minutes long. The most slow motion dancing around a tree. There's a lot. It's very It's so long. And then they fuck, which is like in slow motion.

You're like, what am I watching? Wake iPhone. What am I watching? But they they go over the attack plan, like, the the revolutionaries. They're all in this basement and they go over the attack plan, which is good.

It sound like we're gonna we're gonna rush them, we're gonna overwhelm them, we're gonna hit all these points. And Coburn, the the demolitions expert from The Lost Empire, who must be inspired by this guy anyway, closed the bank wall. Mustache. Yeah. And at this point, he is still telling Juan the whole motivation.

We're gonna get the fucking bank, man. We're gonna be rich. Yep. And he's been lying to Juan because he actually just wants he's like, dude, we're gonna be fucking heroes. We're gonna release these guys.

These are Pancho Villa's guys. He wants to throw out the ringer Yep. For the ringer. Yep. Gotta have the whites in it, dude.

The weight gotta simulate the weight. Oh, fucking egg. In case you didn't know. But the the vault blowing is pretty cool. It is.

The the the back explosion of the blazes are fun. Yeah. As somebody who likes to blow stuff up. Yeah. But and Juan's just reaction to Especially kids.

I'm sorry. What? I blow up kids. Because all your friends love kids. Kids.

Little kids. It was one episode. Yep. And now They left. They're gone.

And now I do it all the time. Stop it. A firecracker in the butt or what? What's your Not a firecracker. You gotta have, like, a murder.

So much of this. Steel bomb? Mortar in the butt. You don't have to go out of town. Like, I have my time is limited.

Paul went out of town because he had to be on the run because he blew up a bunch of little kids. Oh, yeah. Stop it. Paul's been fired. You can't hire anyone that's on a ladder out in schools.

I don't owe them that money. Also, they're making the fucking frog. Have you ever seen him on the streets in Seattle? Yes. The chemtrails.

It's amazing. Okay. I'm gonna end up keeping some of it. It's amazing to watch him on the streets in Seattle and see what he's talking with me. Chases people.

Here's chases. He chased stuff. Yeah. He chased he's insane. When I was in Brightwood on tour, we would listen to his podcast pretty much every night.

So I come in the kitchen tonight. No. For you, it wasn't. I didn't like it. But you thought it was funny?

No. Oh, no. You thought it was scary? Terrifying. Okay.

Good. Fully bought in every all the way in. Moving on. I'm gonna cut so much of it. Don't worry.

It's okay. Just tag them. You're okay. Who is that? Is that a band you were in?

Yeah. And they're all crazy conservative? People blink twice if you're in trouble. Hey, Ben. On July 1st, send me 2 eyes wide open emojis if you're not okay.

So they freed all the all the homies from the bank vault, and now they're like camping out. This is where the Steiger accent gets a little rough for me. Has anyone seen the specialist with Sharon Stone and Sylvester Stallone from the nineties, Eric Roberts? Oh, man. A long time ago.

Yeah. Rod Stigaroso does brownface in that, and it's pretty wild. Is he also Mexican? I'm not a 100% sure. Might be from South America of some sort.

It's pretty rough. To me, his accent saying revolution Yeah. It's he sounds like he's from Russia. I was gonna say, to me, most of the time, it's he sounds Italian. Yeah.

So he sounds like he's from Minsk. I don't know. Nepal. Rome. Can I tell you something?

Fuck you. Let's see. Like, it didn't even it never even went, like, to racist, Mexican slash Latinx, like, dialect to me. It just read as, like, a generic Kind of New York Jersey Sometimes European accent. Yeah.

I was like, what? He spent time with a Mexican woman. That's cool. Great. I mean, it was as I have too.

It was almost as good as as our Irish accent that went from being very, very Irish. Charms. Very Irish to being just an American man talking. Where you're like, wait. And I would remember in the middle.

I'm like, oh, right. He is Irish. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Are you having fun, god Matt?

Are you having fun? Because because I'm having so much fun. Because Matt Matt's having fun. That's where we're at though. But machine guns and Rod Steiger, like, praying to god, like, I hope everybody's having a good time because he's, like, dying out there or whatever.

But they get all these machine guns set up because Oh, yeah. They're good. Super handsome German Paul Freeman looking dude. Yeah. Totally.

And all these guys are coming in with their fucking tanks and shit, and they need to cross a specific bridge. So Rod Steiger and James Coburn have set up some pretty serious hardware to go at these guys, like 50 cal machine guns or whatever. And one of them malfunctions or something? It has a delay on it, apparently. I guess.

You gotta hold it down for a bit, and and then it goes out of control afterwards. Oh, yeah. It probably takes a few seconds for it to feed rounds. That makes sense. Makes a lot of sense.

But they just, like, go fucking ham and kill a bunch of people. Happens, they have everyone with them and they send them off because they think it's a suicide mission. Right. Well and, like, dude, the the German guys or the not German guys, sorry. I don't know.

The guys who are crossing the bridge Stop over there, sergeant. He the guy says stop. That shot after he says stop and they do a long from really far away Mhmm. That's almost 70 seconds of them from far away. Oh my god.

It goes on for so long. Moving around. Yeah. Doing not much. And then the shooting of them is just like just keeps going.

It's kinda cool though. It's like oh, if there's explosions over the top. If it's nuanced, it's not. Yeah. If it's how slow it is, what is the nuance of taking a really long time with a shot and crossing a bridge?

Maybe we're gonna see something we didn't notice at first. What did we see? What was that thing? There was the bug. That was the nuance was the bug.

Got it. I missed the bug. That's my fault. But the blowing of the bridge and the whole thing and this is where I'll start to think they just blow up the bridge to be. Start though.

That's what lead with that. Oh, you're right. Blow up the bug. They love the bug. Well, there was no other way across.

Right? Did they wanna take some of them out while they did it? Yeah. Of course. I think so.

Explosion massive. It would have taken them out also. Yeah. The explosion was big. It's crazy.

But maybe it's fun to shoot people with guns. You know? I doubt it. I live I live in America, and it seems like that's pretty A lot of people seem to think that, but I I like it. Doubt it.

Yeah. I still doubt it. I have my doubts, but I've tried it. If you were to look at how many people do it It seems like a good amount. Wow.

Wow. Here we are. It's like, do you take up a coin collection or do you just go shoot up a hole? Stamps, whatever it might be. That so as this podcast has gotten very heavy, this is where the movie starts to get really fucking heavy.

Again, you were saying something about like, I don't understand the nuance or what have you and poking fun. Like, the movie is extremely heavy handed Yeah. At times. Like, when they're in the cave and all of the dead and the pits and stuff like this. And that's the thing with horror it hurts.

That's the thing with horror is sometimes being really heavy with it is necessary. Ben and I saw Zone of Interest together. Wait. I never wanna see that movie again. That's true.

Ever. We did. And you don't see much. It most of it is sound and, like, acting and whatever. This movie also, it's like, you know, horrors true human horror things that happened outside of just, like, human centipede or whatever is pretty fucking awful.

Yeah. Yeah. The world is awful. It can be. As we've been talking about Thank goodness for this podcast.

Yeah. Yeah. And you're right. I don't ever wanna see Zone of Interest again. No.

It's great. It is great. It's a solid movie. Watching. And, like, the bad guys show back up and stuff like a lot of this stuff, again, like, talking about the gray.

I'm looking at Matt here. I don't know. I know that James Coburn's motivations and his comrades' motivations are revolution. Rod Stigers are his family, and the bad guys are just following their duty. I think Rod Stigers seems to evolve a little bit to kind of Yeah.

For me, he has the most arc. Yeah. Yeah. He As a character. He starts to really understand the have and have not situation more than any like, in 4 or 5 dimensions.

Co Coburn Steiger gets caught. And this is the ultimate moment when Coburn kinda proves, like, that they're, like, homies. Like, where Coburn says, duck, you sucker. Which is never Dynaoid's going off that line of sight. Yeah.

For the most part. And get Steiger out and they're fucking gone and handsome. Apparently, dynamite. Ambiguous guy. Dynamite is a deus ex machina that can get you out of anything.

Deus ex machina like in Atlantis The Lost Empire, just like it says. Mhmm. Yeah. Oh my god. I should carry around more dynamite.

You really should. It gets you out of anything. Like, if you're in an awkward conversation with somebody You can always duck you. Duck you, sucker. Duck you, asshole.

When you're like when you go up and you're like, I'll get a maple donut and they're like, it's a dollar 45 and you only have a dollar 30. Yeah. You know, you can get a Duck, you asshole. Duck, you sucker. Duck, you yeah.

That's what he wanted to call the movie. Duck, you asshole. Duck duck and your asshole? That's why they changed it. Maybe.

Because I'm too similar. A little too fetish y. Yeah. Well, like the the kill the kill Killadook? Yeah.

That's the fog why I've been following a human duck a peed. Oh, I hate that I'm transitioning to this, but the killing pits. Oh, yeah. Like and they're like, these guys are hiding out and they're fantasizing about America Yeah. And the dream of America.

I have a question. This is definitely crazy as the way that the the minorities have been treated in this country and, like, that's just a few years from Japanese internment camps. Right. And this was definitely shot in Irish need not apply. Right?

It definitely shot in Italy? I believe so. Okay. This is again where we're, like, we're on a train Lots of trains. With these guys, lots of trains, and there's a gunfight happening, like, outside.

There's always there's, like, a lot of gun noises. And I'm fine with that. Like, I'm not fine with that. I don't know how to put that. You love that noises.

You're from Vancouver, Washington. It's it's a violent Vancouver esque movie. When Paul falls asleep, he listens to violent gunfights. I just the cops is on. Yeah.

It was too early. Cops is on. The the only thing more racist, cops is on. In his sleep, he's like, ducky sucker. I was watching Reno 901 the other day.

I was watching the movie not long ago. Oh my god. It's so funny. It's a great great, great show. I love that show.

But the the the shot of Coburn as they're on this train, Juan is getting shit on by birds. Yep. And John is kind of judging him. And they're they're having some some conversation and some bonding that's happening. They're bonding.

But Coburn finds, like, the rich dude. Who is it? We haven't talked about the governor at all through this. He's a doctor and, like yeah. And I don't know if I ever gave my score.

I give this 2a half because I think the thing that this movie was which is what Three Amigos had. Yeah. An I mean, I feel like the German angular dude is the closest. Sure. But I I never it was like, I would that would be cool if that guy went away.

But man Is Three Amigos the, Martin Short. No. Is it like the, what the pinnacle of western film is? Yeah. John Landis, Martin Short, Steve Martin.

Your director of ideas. What are you talking about? Chevy Chase. You're a big Of course. Like, based on cast alone, soul.

You're a big Chase guy. Done. You're a big Chase guy. I love him. Yeah.

Love everything about him. His stances, his attitude, wonderful guy. Don't you know that that's the highest Paul goes, is Chevy Chase? Absolutely. I'm pretty sure that's not the highest that Paul goes.

I don't know. I'm somewhere I'm in the stratosphere. No question. But I I agree. I think that the villains are a little murky in terms of, like, who do you who are you the general idea of this movie also is more about, like, the government system or the government oppressors.

Right? Like, it's not so much about an individual. It's in the same way that the the hero. It's there's not really a hero. Right.

Right. There's not really a singular bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.

The government, it's it's like It's the military. And it's people, and it's the oppressor. It's class. Have it out there. They don't even, like, win the revolution.

Like, that's not the movie. No. They don't. It's a story of these guys. It never says 15 years later, the whatever happened and everyone lived happily ever after.

Right. It's just the story of these 2 men Right. That collided. Their paths just happen to intersect. Yeah.

And they tend to they have one thing in common, which is revolution. Yeah. To fight against oppressors. And I and this this movie has a lot of good shots. Like, Coburn, when he sees the the doctor governor, like, allow people to be executed in the rain Yeah.

And the shots of the doctor inside the car. And The shots are great. The idea that Coburn knows that the doctor is involved to a degree, that's great. But my favorite shot is when Coburn pulls, like, the 45 or whatever, the 1911 to the dude on the train. That angle and the weight the size of the gun and how intimidating it is.

And, I mean, James Coburn's a big intimidating presence. Yeah. And you really feel it in that moment. How old is he in this time? Thirties, forties.

42, I think he is. 42? He looks great. I looked it up. I think it was 42.

He looks like he's in his fifties. I think he looks great. Really? I think he was like a I think it was him and then Sam Elliott, like, took the the mantle. Exactly.

Right. I like his hair's white. As as someone who's during their forties, I don't feel like I as old as me. I dude, we're just like what we eat and what we put on our faces and what I mean, that's the thing though. Like, I'm wrong.

I'm only I'm only but 16. I'm going for my driver's test soon. Oh. So it's hard to say. Yeah.

But, I mean, you do look good. Thanks, buddy. I I like that James Coburn, like, has that level of wear, though. I think he looks so good. Yeah.

No. He looks good. He like, I just felt like he was, like, proto Sam Elliott. Like, I I had feeling that I like that. I just think that this is did it come out?

72? 72? Yeah. In the US. Yeah.

71, it was made. Yeah. Or it was released in 71 in Italy. I think my favorite westerns, by the way, are Little Big Man, The Searchers, and Roadhouse. I love you, Neil.

I really love McCabe and Missus Miller. Good movie. I really love The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Good movie. And, honestly, I really love Hell or High Water.

Great movie. Segment where we're like I got distracted. No. You said something about how, like, something about, like, we don't like westerns or whatever. I don't.

So I just wanna make sure, like, people watch The Searchers because that movie's really The Searchers is great. It's so good. That I also studied that movie in college. Yeah. And modern ones, I've mentioned this on the podcast a couple of times.

Watch Open Range. I'll watch anything with Robert Duvall. But watch Open Range. When people shoot guns, it is impactful. Speaking of modern ones, and this will come out way past this release, but I heard Horizon's really bad.

I that's too bad. Yeah. It looks terrible. Kevin Costner. And he's got more money.

Brad Pitt. Two part western. Brad Pitt, current western with Casey Affleck. The, assassination of assassination of Jesse James was a really good movie. I love that.

Good pull down. That's a really good one too. Really good movie. I like I love 3:10:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0: I watched the first one, saw the new one in the theater, like, literally the same day. I don't love John Wayne.

And I didn't love and I was like, oh. I don't love Marion. You don't like John Wayne? I don't love him. I don't love him.

But he's so racist. But the man who shot him I'm not a big fan. I know it's weird. He's so racist. I know you'd assume.

The man who shot Liberty Valance though is a really good movie. It is. Yes. And There's no question. That yeah.

Juan shoots the the rich guy that Coburn was threatening with the gun. He's like, trying to buy off Rod Steiger, buy off Juan. Yeah. And Juan fucking shoots him in the back and takes the money. Oh, yeah.

Straight up because it's the right thing to do, kind of in a fucked up way. Mhmm. No. It's the right thing to do for him. It's again, everything is so gray.

I don't disagree with you, but it's it's the right thing for him to do for self preservation and to get the money. But it also ends up being kind of, like, it's greater than that. Yes. But His motivations are not. I don't think that was that's not why he did it.

You're right. His motivations are not. You're a 100% right. Because when he gets off the train and they're like, Viva, he's like, what? Yeah.

Yeah. And then he gives the money he tosses money back. Yeah. So then they don't get it. It's like when the Joker lights all the money on fire in the dark night.

Or it's like the money it's not about the money. Right? Ben just sent a secret note. Oh, cool. I'm using a pencil to decode it.

Ben, this is just Rod Steiger's fat long grapefruit cock. Yeah. That's what it is. It's just a fat tube sack grapefruit cock. That's what it is.

That's some straight up like Jackie tree tree horn shit. Oh, I like My favorite This is a big vein You make a good Caucasian, Jackie. What's your favorite dick in a movie? Oh, I don't know. Maybe Fight Club.

I love the cut to the, like, penis. It's very funny. Oh, yeah. The when they're editing the movie. Yeah.

And then a bunch of the ones in Superbad, but those are all like drawn. Oh, yeah. A bunch of just sat around drawing pictures of dicks. Wanderlust. I mean, there are a few.

That's a really long one. I'm trying to It's a really long movie. I'm trying to think of dicks that have stood out to me. Boogie Nights? Yep.

Yeah. I'm gonna keep going on my list by the way. That's so long. Oh. What's the Michael Fassbender one?

Shame. Yeah. Shame. I will say I didn't love the movie, but the, Barry Knogen or whatever Saltburn. Dude's got a dude's got a nice dick.

He's running around at the end. Hanging brain. He's a weird looking dude. Nice take. Oh boy.

Am I wrong? Well, Matt, did you take them all? No, I was my favorite is more of, it's a zucchini that's wrapped in, tinfoil and he goes to the metal detector. No? Oh, I know this.

You do. It's the best movie ever made. A rockumentary. Oh, it's Final Tap. Tap.

Final Tap. I was like, I'm trying to think of another dick in a movie. I'm trying to think of another dick in a movie. I was trying so hard. Kamala, you were Yeah.

Marley and me. There's a dick in me. I don't know. To live and die in LA. We were listening to that song all the way here and So where are we at this dick in this movie.

We're almost you gotta hold out for 24 hours till Pancho Villa can help you because, okay. This movie has ended a couple times. Yeah. Could've could've ended a couple times. And we're here, and now the doctor has the doctor governor has been exposed as they're waiting for Pancho Villa.

Like, you are a bad dude. Yep. And no good. Big old fight. Yeah.

Very big fight. And now it's revealed to us through these coburn fever dreams that his the homie and the throuple Yep. He shoots him in the fucking face. Yeah. In a bar in Ireland?

In the It's supposed to be Ireland. Yeah. He sells him out. He sells seashells? By the seashore.

What is the song that's playing in all of the flashbacks? Because it's great. Oh, I don't know. I do like that song too though. Yeah.

Yeah. That that no idea. It sounded like the little the little mermaid a little bit. It's more like It's like it, like, has this, like I don't know. It's haunting and it's strong.

But I'll get up again. And I'm never able to get me down. I'll get knocked out. And I get up again. Is that what it was?

Yeah. I think it was that. I think it was that. It sounded a little bit more like, Fifele fold goes west, I think. I play the games on play state.

Oh, no. He get knocked down and I get up again, but I'm never gonna keep him down. I think that's right. Yeah. I had the accent was the thing.

I had a whiskey drink. Water drink. Okay. Yes. Tikka sogu drink?

The train crash? Yep. The visual quality is awful. Yep. I hate it.

Sure. I hate watching it. And it's like you watch fugitive in 93 or whatever it is, and it's not amazing, but it's as good as it can be. It's a model and it looks good. In in fugitive.

I don't care. I knew he would get worked up about that. Do you know But like Bridge on the River Kwai, so Aleneight. Years earlier Aleneight. Aleneight.

Looks so much better. This look like Legos. It's pretty bad. Like and and it's different aspect ratios and different film speeds and different screens and different it's a lot of things. Mhmm.

Because at this point, just all hell breaks loose. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's at this point, it feels like we could have ended the movie sooner. Well, I can't fucking see anything as a lot of this is happening. It's very dark.

Going because we just have to get to the point where James Corburn is shot. Right. Like the movie had to get to this point. Yeah. It had to get to here.

Yeah. Somebody had to So it was like here and we're just gonna keep For two and a half hours, we were getting No. What at least 8. Sorry. But one of the 2 of them, like, has to they they have to because they they love each other, they're loyal to each other, they respect each other, this whole thing.

The the whole movie is hinging on really one of them being killed and the friendship. Like, the the the robbery I had a feeling one of them would die. I just didn't know what to do. Same. Yeah.

Well, the alternative is what? They moved to the coast and just makes the They opened up the world. They opened up a wine store together. It it's not in Astoria. Oh, in Eagle Rock.

That's a good place to do it. It's one of those things where it's like, because I can kinda telegraph it and the way it happens, like, James Coburn, it feels like he's dying for 25 minutes. And so I'm not, like, I'm just, like, I don't want this guy to die, but I'm also, like, can you can we When he gets shot, it's very, it's very, what's the word, At moments, cartoonish. Yeah. Because he's like not the best.

The way that Rod Steiger's annihilating people with the machine gun. But then when he's I think I We're telling the German dude and he's just, like, clearly the guy's just being, like, dragged by something. When he's, like, dead and I don't care. But he's being He's taking out all of his his Which I get. Frustration.

Oh, got it. Okay. I understand that. It just, like, sometimes, like, the shot of him being Like, he's just, like, sliding. It's being he's sliding along where so, like, clearly someone's just pulling him by the arm.

Yeah. Like, is that how bullets work? Yeah. I haven't shot anyone. I know you guys say it's great.

I I don't know if I'm gonna try. I don't think I'm gonna try. I said, I don't know if it's great, but a lot of people do it, and it seems like they have a good time. Well, James Coburn is dead, and his happy ending is the 5th or 6th fever dream as he's, like, reunited with the homies from the throuple, I think, in heaven is what's happening. I guess.

Yeah. I think? Although they shouldn't go to heaven. They should go straight to hell. Yeah.

I don't think You can't be in the IRA and go to heaven. Brad Pitt didn't go to heaven? That might be that's probably true. Speaking of the IRA, shows that Speaking of I have you guys seen Yeah. I think it's called 71?

I have not. Have you heard of it? No. I've seen Bloody Sunday, the Paul Greengrass Okay. Movie that I think is 71, I believe Same subject.

Is from the same director as Peaky Blinders? I believe you're correct. I forget the name of the director. Yeah. But I know that that person has gotten has done quite a bit of work since then.

Very good. I highly recommend it. I've heard it. It's all about a, like, Irish soldier who gets stuck behind the lines in the IRA. And it's just like it's like a survival movie.

But it's it's, current. Recently Was it made like Jan Dimanche maybe? Like, 10 years ago? 15 years ago? I don't know.

I might be wrong. If I'm wrong, it's got it got cut anyway. What's the Brad Pitt and, the Devil's Own? Get off my wife. Get off my plane.

I didn't kill my plane. I didn't kill my wife. Harrison telling you. I didn't do anything. Ford k.

That's his name. Harrison Ford Brad Pitt movie? The IRA movie? That's the devil zone. Devil zone.

And then mix it up with the other one. Blown Away with Jeff Bridges and Tommy Lee Jones? Sequel to clear and present danger. That's not Patriot Games. Patriot Games.

That movie rules. So good. Love that movie. But I mixed the 2 movies up. John Dimash, you are completely right.

Yes. Thank you. I'll take it. He did Lovecraft Country. That's right.

Well, we're at the end because, fucking James Coburn Mhmm. Blows himself up and takes out the whole fucking He's out of the hole. Square block. He used that whole deal. Dynamite and Yeah.

Duck you sucker. Fuck. Yeah. Oh, you know what? I think that the original cut was he said at that point, duck you fucker.

He should have. Which is because he's already said it 8,000 fucking times in the fucking movie, fuck. How much of this movie was ADR? Oh, a lot. 90 A lot was automated dialogue with Last Mass.

Spaghetti western. Yeah. No. Totally. That's a lot of spit yeah.

That is very fair. Realize that no one's actually seen ADR. That's a very fair point. Yeah. No 100%.

I was thinking about this movie. There's obviously a lot of things that are not acting great, could have been cut, like flaws in the movie. Yeah. I love the story so much that a lot of it to me is forgivable. Sure.

Bond between them carries that strong To me, it's so special. Okay. I'll watch this movie just because I feel like watching something, and I don't do that with any movies. And I feel like it's that sort of thing. Like, I'm fine with a lot of the problems because I love watching a director film something how they want to.

And, like, no. I want it like this. Like, how many people would be like, Cap, I don't know if peeing on an ant, like, on the tree. You don't need that. He's like, no.

This is setting up the tone of the movie. Yeah. To to he is essentially, like, these people that treat him like shit. He is that to these ants. Yes.

Like, it's the food chain. It's the haves and have nots. Yep. And and seeing that this scene in the stagecoach is is so long. Mhmm.

It is. It just goes and goes and goes, and he's doing it on purpose. Sure. It's not like it's not like Leone was like, I just can't figure out how to cut the film. I'll just have to use all the footage.

He wants to build that tension. And I like watching it because I like seeing someone have a vision and just do it even if it's the editor is like, come on, man. You're super excited for Megalopolis. Oh, god. The Francis Ford Coppola movie.

You're like doing fucking backflips internally. It was my father. He yeah. I've Kinda. I haven't really looked into it, but, It's his vision 100% all the way.

Apparently everything in his name. Apparently, it's not Denmark. I yeah. I can't speak to his But I assume, like, that is the type of thing that you're like, fuck yeah. So, like, be bold, make your decision.

I mean, yeah, it's a concept. It isn't always a thing that I love it, but it's a concept. I feel I love going to a restaurant where you watch the chef do everything and even if there are things that you disagree with, the fact that they're doing it, especially if they're a little bit older. Sticking by it. And they have like all the experience.

I agree. I just love seeing an artist actually do the thing. Agree. I think that especially in the film industry, you don't get that very much anymore. I agree.

Because much of it is pulled by producers. So I think like 100%. I I enjoy that as well. It's why you can point there's very few filmmakers these days that get carte blanche. Right?

Yeah. I'd say Chris Nolan probably does. Spielberg. Spielberg probably does. Very few people.

But even they probably have a little bit more of an understanding of, like, I can do whatever I want and all those. To themselves. Yeah. I still though have to make certain decisions. For the populace, for the yeah.

For whatever. For commercial Nolan's still not gonna do that. He's still gonna, like, self edit himself a little bit more. Could be. I mean, it's kind of impossible not to at this point.

Right? Yeah. You've gotta have some sort of appeal. Yeah. Some sort of mass appeal.

Yeah. But I hear what you're saying. I think that, it's something that I really appreciate about the original Star Wars series where I'm like, this is a singular vision of 1 individual that he can't finish until he gets better computers. Yeah. Or I mean, like, sure.

There's a lot if you just look at it from that point of view, if you just watch New Hope slash Star Wars and say, like, oh, some guy made a movie without knowing anything about whatever was gonna come after that. Yeah. There's a lot to give credit for. Agree. Even even if you don't Trailblazer.

Necessarily like it. Yeah. I I agree with that. Matt, we've talked about this for quite a while. You've not liked New Hope?

I do. I do not. Really? I it's like a 3, maybe a 3 and a half star. Like, it's not a movie I look forward to or wanna watch regularly.

I do like New Hope. Yeah. It's my 2nd favorite star wars. I like Empire Strikes Back. I like Rogue One.

I'm one of those people that's, like, I largely am not impressed or excited by Star Wars. Yeah. Don't talk to Paul. Okay. Sorry.

I prefer Trek. Oh, my god. Yep. I want that society. That's why you and Rachel are friends.

Yeah. We're sick people. Matt. Yes? You gotta you gotta give us a score.

You gotta do it. I know. I know. I'll go down a little bit. Oh, no.

Alright. No. It's not. I think I think watching it last night too was a little bit like, okay. There's but I I love You hit a lot of nails on a lot of heads in the beginning explanation.

Yeah. I love the I honestly love the movie and I think that the story line of there's not really good and bad people, there's just people. Yeah. And that more most of us, there's no heroes and there's no bad guys. Mhmm.

Clearly, there are some bad people, like, very, very bad people. Yeah. And maybe better people than others. But that's not there are no good guys don't wear white, bad guys don't wear black. Like, it's none of that is real, and we've been force fed that for our entire lives.

Zoro, Davy Crockett, like, all that stuff. I think a lot of westerns did that too. Oh, yeah. And I love and it's so it's not just this movie. It's all the old Clint Eastwood stuff.

Sure. Outlaw, Josie Wales, all that shit. Yeah. Fistful of Dollars. Like Yeah.

All it's showing the same it's the same stories. It's just people trying to survive. Yeah. And I love that about this. That's how it was at that time too because there wasn't a huge amount of value for human life.

Like, I think you cheated me a card, shoot you in the chest. Yeah. Yeah. It's just different now, but I don't think it's that dissimilar. I don't people change that much.

I'm sure a lot of people would like to, if they felt like they were cheated a card, stand up and shoot somebody in the chest. Well, I think I I do believe that that still exists in a creative way. People feel like if they were wronged on social media, they wish they could just kill somebody across the board. Might get canceled. Sure.

But, I mean, like, if someone if someone had a button on their computer Yeah. Oh. That killed the person on the other side of that computer in the middle of an argument on Facebook, 100% they would hit it. I think I told Ben I think I told you this When I was Do it. When I was pulling my joke from you to the next person, somebody on Reddit was like, I, like, I hope you fucking die.

Like, blah blah blah blah. And I was like, okay. And shut down that Reddit account and was like, never mind. Because, like, for me, it's just like it's just a goof. Don't read it.

It takes up 30 seconds of it. Don't read the comments, Paul. Yeah. And that's the thing where it's just like, yikes. But I think this time and I this is something that I'm doing with my western too is, like, there there are a lot of similarities to 2024 in terms of, like, how little people care about anybody else.

We're all still How able. And how people are just trying to survive. Yep. And some people use that survival to a point where it just becomes absolutely selfish. Yeah.

And some people use that survival and hold on to their moral compass. Sure. And like how I guess like the question that I always wanna ask is like how hard can you hold on to it before you Yeah. Before you slide one way or the other. In that regard, I think this movie does a good job of kind of commenting on that.

Matt, you came down from a 4.13 to a or 4.what to a what? 3 point 9. That's go down that much. Just a tiny bit. A little bit.

A little sliver. Yeah. Yeah. You still got a in you you would've gotten a c plus. Somewhere in that neighborhood.

Yeah. So that's about what I got in high school. So yeah. That's good. K.

That's probably that means that I'm right. This is the main thing for me. If I'm to give something a 2, that's not worth watching probably. Like, there may be some redeeming factors, but not a lot. 2 isn't high for me.

I can't come down from the 2a half. The movie is long. The movie has moments that aren't pretty. The movie has some things that, like, Matt has been saying quite a bit where it's like, you're also gonna think about just you and your fellow people a little bit, and you might be you might feel a little uncomfortable at times. Mhmm.

And that's the movie's credit more than anything. So I'm honest I don't remember what my rating system was. But I'm gonna stick at the 2a half. Because to go down from that, to to take this movie that at times where I'm like, I'm gonna pause this and look at this for a second. Yeah.

Because I did do that a couple times. As well as, like I said, like, there's some really good performances through here despite some of the brown face shit or whatever. You know, I I really can't come down. Yeah. Can't do it.

Totally. Yeah. I I could. I can't do that either. Just technically speaking.

He could. He could. And there's a part of me that's, like, I wanna go down, but I think that's me saying, like, this isn't a good movie. And it's, like, this is not a bad movie. Yeah.

It's a solid movie. If what if anything we're saying interests you, watch this fucking movie. Oh, yeah. I highly recommend watching this movie, which is why I'm gonna stick at 3. If I had liberty rule, I would probably go to 3.25, but I I do not.

We only allow guests to have liberty rule. What's liberty rule? In between 0.5 or We we can only finish on 0.0 or 0.5. Guests can finish on 0.0.25 or 0.5. It's not there's no rules written listen.

I know. We let you make your own. You brought your own movie. Right there. You brought your own movie, whatever you wanted.

A 14 hour movie. Signed. Yeah. I don't feel like DK Metcalfe has watched this movie. It's his favorite favorite movie.

You you are a It doesn't bore him. He watches this movie and eats candy and still has a giant 6 pack somehow. I wanna say real quick, not only our what are we watching theme, but what you've been up to? What you've been doing? What you doing?

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Okay. Yeah. And I did it. Here's your moment. Not one time.

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