The Guest / David, The Guest. The Guest, David (Guest: David McGuire)

**WARNING ⚠️ THE FILM DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE CONTAINS MOMENTS OF EXTREME AND REALISTIC VIOLENCE

And now for something completely different… It’s Spooky Season (is it?), writer and returning GUEST David McGuire (@bowtierobot) brings a movie all about Jay Leno (it’s not) “The Guest,” (d. Adam Wingard 2014). Do you ever laugh alone? Because in this, one of the most polarizingly…hilarious (?) choices to date, we touch on
- The rules of threesomes (no clue)
- Trampoline stunts
- Masterpiece synth scores
& Paul has a Senator style stroke. Is this the MK ULTRA Uncle Buck? Somehow (purposely rushed by it) we don’t spoil the ending of this movie you almost certainly haven’t seen, and some say you should 👍 10/2!

**catch cohost @paulactsbadly on the fantastic @back_to_the_blockbuster podcast discussing this same film now!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Hi. I'm David. I'm the guest. Hi, David. I'm Grandpa.

Hi, everybody. Welcome. It's the review review. The review review with Paul and Ben. Yeah.

I introduced you this time. You sure did. I did. You know who else is here? The guest.

Me. David. Again. Here in the flesh and hopefully in October, since I'm using the word flesh and we wanna use this for spooky season. But we'll see how special it goes.

Okay. You might get this a little early, and lucky you. Yeah. For getting things sooner than later. What's what's bad about that?

Before we get into the movie or what it is or anything or what even is going on with you, Dave, because I don't care that much. Mm-mm. Ben Yeah. Would you please tell our kind listeners Mhmm. What the fuck we do here?

The review review is a movie podcast where we, me and Paul, will have a guest. That guest will, bring us a movie, something that is at least 7 years old, not part of a franchise or a sequel, that is possibly something that they haven't seen in a while and they feel passionately about one way or the other, and they're interested in rewatching it. They will come to us with a ranking of that movie of their, when they first saw it out of 5. We got that 5 star ranking from Letterboxd. I'm on Letterboxd at Run BMC.

I'm on Letterboxd at Paul acts badly. And then, we will watch it in our own time. We review it, as in rewatch it. And then we come together with our current rankings out of 5, and we discuss it. And then at the end, we review it and see if our rankings have changed.

Hence, review, review because we're little clever boys. Very, very, very What a concept. Very clever. Got a review. Yes.

$1,000,000 idea right here. Great. Dave, you're here visiting us from Las Vegas. I am. We just recorded recently.

Is there anything that you wanna plug or talk about specifically that's going on in your life that's exciting or new or anything? Boy, no. Okay. Ben, how are you? Oh, man.

That was fast. We have a I always am. Story of my life. Yeah. You you know our competition.

I remember the game. I was actually gonna beat you guys to it, but then I forgot. I'm usually planning to beat Paul to it. It feels like it depends on whose guest it is. It seems to be the that person.

Play a role, I'm sure. It's a little bit of nerves. It depends on the guest. You know, it's it's like a threesome. Who's taking control?

Will you help kids? Is that how that works? Well, who's the guest? Do you wanna accommodate the guest? Sure.

It's all about What is this? To answer your question, Paul, I am doing well. A new way. Excellent. I don't wanna put this in any particular time of year, so I'm gonna say it's been really warm and and rainy and kind of cold out and warm and sunny, but also cold.

It's been horrifically windy today. It has. It's been a weather down system. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was it was crazy. I was driving on the freeway and I saw a tarp, like, go over someone's, windshield. Oh, was it beautiful? They died.

Was it one of the most beautiful things you've ever seen? No. They just You know, in in In Las Vegas, when it's windy Mhmm. The thing is that people will find trampolines, trampolines in other people's yards. Yes.

And, so that's that's a thing. Oh. They will lift the trampolines as to the heavens, and then deposit them in other people's yards. Trampolines are already death traps. Yeah.

Then you have to be Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. I'm gonna just pick this up right now. Do it.

I'm I'm doing alright. Yeah? Of course, my back feels weird. That whole odyssey continues. And as we're talking about trampolines, when I was young, I had irresponsible, like, careless babysitters, and we would get 2 garbage bags, get a, like, paper, like, single hole punch Mhmm.

And punch holes through these double garbage bags, get yarn or string, and make parachutes. And when it got really, really windy, we would jump on the trampoline and use the, like, parachute and, like, sometimes you'd catch something. How are you alive? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm the century's Dennis the menace. The lord has purpose for him, Dennis. It's either the lord has purpose for me or who's thinking about anything that's going on down there anymore? Well, I don't want to. David, how are you?

You know, I'm doing pretty well. It's a nice trip out here to California. Saw my friends, Zach and Audrey, who both have been guests on this podcast. Life as a house. Yeah.

Just fine. Great. So it's a good good life. It's a good life. Isn't that a song?

It's a good life. I think and it's definitely a lyric in many songs. Right. Now I'm gonna say a movie we watched. Oh, okay.

We watched The Guest. You have to do the. I think it's by law. So good. Yeah.

This is the movie that we watched. And, if I may, I I just wanna before we talk about what we're watching because we're just barreling forward here. We're barreling into the future. We really are. The future.

Great Scott. Great Scott. Great Scott. Great Scott. He's not Scott.

No. No. No. I'll save that for what we're watching. Oh, okay.

Was it a story about Jay Leno? It's always a story about Jay Leno, Ben. There's always a Jay Leno story. For free. Shoot.

No. Paul had a stroke. Please hold for wasn't I don't know. I don't remember. So we should just do Paul is Paul's having a Mitch McConnell type stroke.

That's gonna be in our romantic senators. And for our previous episode, one of them is gonna be, a vegetable call. And it's just gonna make like an internet connecting noise. Okay. We're cutting all this because I definitely won't remember now.

Let's fucking go right into it. We're gonna we're gonna run right into it. What what are we watching? What are we watching? Oh, what are we watching?

Dave, since it seems like you had something on your mind, you're welcome to go first. Oh, you know. Yeah. Here's the thing. It's it's been kind of a short time since we did the last episode, so it still is rewatching star trek the next generation.

That's great. So I did just see the episode where Scottie is stuck in the transporter for 75 years, which is I I mean, just a it's a beautiful episode. And here's Montgomery Scott stuck in the transporter for 75 years feeling obsolete. Right? But then his knowledge of old timey technology saves the day at the end of the day.

It just makes you feel so good. It's beautiful. And then my wife and I starting we'd only seen 2 or 3 episodes of it previously, Brooklyn 99 Mhmm. Which is just brilliant. Hilarious.

Yeah. It's great. Highly recommend. I like it a lot. On the note of what you were saying, Dave, the people that can fix the robots, those are the people that the robots will keep around.

You know? I don't know. I'm not gonna have to call that. I just use chat gbt. They'll keep Scotty around because he'll know how to fix that old timey technology It's true.

If the robots aren't already fixing each other. Have you guys used the chat gbt yet? No. Yeah. Yeah?

Yeah. What what's your experience with it? It was fascinating at first. I, like, I kinda went ham on it and was like, give me a movie that's Jurassic Park meets Transformers and just, like, went crazy. And and then I You mean Beast Wars?

Yeah. Right. Right. Beast Wars. Diminishing returns, but I but I had fun at first.

No. I was using it for work, you know, to, like, cut down on the, you know, sort of analytics time, that that kind of thing. It was, really interesting. Yeah. The the results that it brought up.

That's, I think it's interesting for, like, resumes and, like, boring cover letters. Yeah. Things like that where you're just like, just give me a template here, and it gives you something pretty good. I used it to negotiate my rent. There you go.

Yeah. And it worked. Yeah. But now it's learning, always evolving. It's you too.

Cybernetic organism, a learning computer. There you go. The more it interacts with humans, the more it learns. By the way, I've, been reading a little bit about that lately, and apparently, it will essentially hit a level of, like, human consciousness or reasoning or whatever by 2029 is the is the number at this point. So essentially, like, the quote, unquote singularity.

Yeah. I was gonna say, is that the singularity? Yeah. Because ex machanesh proved to us that the singularity is more emotional. Right.

Dang it. Like, I've tried starting that movie three times, and it something always interrupts me. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what it is.

I was like, oh, oh, oh, they're gonna fight. I'm so excited. No. No. No.

No. No. No. I you know, the entire concept of the movie seems like something I'd be super into. It's really And it like, the opening is great and but I just I can't make it through.

I've got too many children. Yeah. But we really appreciate you being here. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you having me.

Thanks for being 3 dudes and the studes with us. Oh. Is that rude? We're here. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Ben. What are you watching? Well, we are we just finished season 2 of ghosts. Oh, I love it. I love that show.

It's great. It's super fun. American version? The American version. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's super fun. The the writing sometimes where you're like, I can see the a story, b story. Like, it's kinda simplistic at times, but it doesn't matter because the characters are just so fucking enjoyable to watch.

Did we talk about this the last time I was on? I don't think we did. No. So here here's the reason that I love that show is because it's an actual marriage where the people like each other. Mhmm.

And as a married guy, I appreciate when the marriage on screen is where, you know, they don't hate each other and constantly berate each other. Yeah. And it's it's a relationship that you could actually see as being realistic. Like, functional inside this really crazy fantasy world? Yeah.

Or or even a non fantasy world where But if in this fantasy world, it makes it that much more palatable. Fantasy, Paul, do you not believe in ghosts? Paul believes in a lot of weird shit. So does. I've known this kid since he was, like, knee knee high to his mother's teeth twice.

Yeah. I love that. That was 47 years ago. Mhmm. The other thing I saw in the movie theater was Dune part 2.

Oh. No spoilers. Loved it. Huge fan of the first one. Huge fan of the book.

I'd say it's a rare occurrence where I think it's a improvement on the book, especially in sort of the the changes they made. Mhmm. And I won't say anymore. I felt like the changes were merited. And now I'm gonna rant for a quick second.

So I was at the movie theater. The 2 people in front of me and I know that Paul had an experience at the movie theater during Dune 2 as well. Flipped off. This Got flipped off. I was at the movie theater, and I don't know about you guys.

I've been going to movies a lot. I've been going to movies enough for my entire 37 years of my life to I can tell who's there to watch a movie, and I can usually tell who's there to not watch a movie, who's there to, like, be there because they wanna do something. Right? This was a case where I saw the 2 people in front of me early, and I'm like, don't be don't judge them. Don't judge a book by the cover.

They'll I'm sure they'll be fine. 10 minutes into the movie Frank Herbert wouldn't doesn't want you to do that. What? Judge the book. Bites coming.

Yeah. I know. 10 minutes into the movie, they answered their phone. Holy shoot. I've had that happen to me.

She answered the phone and then she handed it to him. And then me, being me, went, excuse me. Can you please put your phone away? And the dude turned around and was like, relax. Relax.

Okay? We're putting it away. And he goes outside. And I was like, we're fucking relax. All I said was please put your phone away.

What the fuck? Yeah. And then I went back. What kept watching the movie. Dude came back, sat down.

Things were fine. Watching it for a while, I looked like I'm distracted again. I looked down. She's watching, like, fucking Instagram reels What? On her phone.

Wild. And then I was like, nope. And I just went right back. I was like, please put your phone in your pocket and leave it there. And then he turned around and he was like, that's 2 times you've done that.

That's 2 times. You wanna go outside, me and you? And I was like, bro, sit the fuck down and watch the movie. That you paid for. Yeah.

And or you're giving up if you're with the studio, if if you have AMC pass, whatever it is, you're still giving up over 3 hours of your life. Yeah. Like, give yourself enough respect to, like I wish. Pay some fucking attention. Live it?

Yeah. Mostly because, like, all I said was please put your phone away, and now I'm being told, you wanna fight me? Wanna fight me? What the fuck is your problem? Wild.

Wild. No. I do not want to fight you. No. I don't.

I want to watch a movie. Yeah. I'm here to watch a movie, dude. Sit the fuck down and watch the fucking movie. I can't believe, like, we both had, like, these, like, really wild experiences at the same movie with very aggressive At the same theater?

Strange people. Yeah. At the 16th? Yeah. There you go.

Ever since COVID, the movie theater's been the wild west. It feels a little bit like that. Yeah. Unfortunately. A little more so.

I think I'm gonna go back and see it. I like the AMC Burbank 16. I like that it has an Imax. I like that it has Dolby. It's very close to me, and I can drive there.

It's a great deal. I really appreciate the Alamo Drafthouse and their, like, approach to Yeah. Movies. And I I wish that was sort of just, like, how it was. Yeah.

Because, so you saw it in Imax. IMAX. Yeah. So it's like $23 a ticket. Right?

Yeah. I mean, we're AMC A list. No big deal. But But for these, you know, pedestrians Benz penis hitting the table. Sorry, everybody.

No. It's it sounds more like this. But it's not cheap. No. That's my No.

My point. It's over 3 hours of your time. Yeah. You can do anything you want with that time within Verizon. But her preference was to spend it on Instagram, which if you look at the, amount of time she spends on Instagram is probably in excess of 3 hours a day.

So Sure. I bet you this is a person where it's like the screen time report is, like, over 9 hours or something. I'm just like, why do you why even come to the movie? Just makes no sense at all. I'm thinking we revised that bill, guys.

Ban TikTok and Instagram. Get rid of all of it. Everything. Everybody lives in cabins. Pre you know what?

Let's bring back Friendster. Yeah. Bring back Myspace. You know what? I met that guy, Zach, on Myspace.

I, I'll I'll tell you this guy, dude. Around with the oh, that guy is Zach. What's the guy what was the guy on Myspace that, like, gave the thumbs up to him? Tom. Tom.

That's right. Tom. No. Zach met him on Myspace. Space.

Zach Zoshki? I did. He's your My Space pal. It's just that dates you. That is terrible.

Introduce me to my wife. This is my first time on my wife on Facebook. I'm 14. I met my wife on Facebook. Did you really?

Yeah. That's cool. But we were also in, like, mutual friend groups. But, yeah, that's where we, like, talked for the first talked. Oh, that's what they do now, the kids.

I know. Everybody meets online. Yeah. And talk. And they talk.

Talk and they talk and they talk. I have 2 teenage daughters, and this is what they say. Well, they're talking. Like, what does that even mean? They're talking.

Yeah. Because they're talking. They're TikToking. Makes you feel like an old man. Paul, what are you watching?

Because we're talking about rough theater experiences. I wanna talk about a great theater experience I had. Please do. About a month ago now. But I went to Vidiots, and I saw a movie called the guest.

And Ben, Guest. And, Ben, I have no clue how you feel about this movie. I can't read you on this, but it was so cool to be in the theater and watch this movie and laugh along with people because the first time you see it, for me, anyway, it's just nice to have an affirming, like, really hearty laugh for an hour and 40 minutes, through a really bizarre ride, with a big group of people. And then I had to watch Major League 2. Yeah.

So if you're hearing this in October, I watched this at the beginning of the season. Yeah. Dave's so shocked. We just recorded an episode for Major League. Oh.

So I had to watch too. The sequel is ranked on Rotten Tomatoes has 5%. I said I couldn't care less. And then Ben says 5%, and you can hear me go, 5%. And it's like there's like a Wilhelm scream inside me.

Like, I'm so upset. I thought that you guys didn't do franchises. Well, we We make exceptions for certain things, but also We do the first one in the franchise. We can do the first one. But also, like, really, like, Major League Major League 2 and work Major League back to the minors.

I would. Starring Scott Bakula and and and, Corbin Burnson? Corbin Burnson owns his name. I almost worked with Scott Bakula. Hey.

That would have been cool. Can you tell us your Scott Bakula story? I don't have one. I almost never met him. Never met him.

Well, you might have met him, but he had a different face because he was quantum leaping. Yeah. It was interesting, though, kinda what Ben said about Major League 2 and what I kind of echoed. The writing is so good, and it's even different writers and to take an r rated movie and dilute it to a PG rated movie and it was interesting. I think I've seen both of those movies as I was in just Ben's nodding his head.

So many times, it's it was so clear to me that, like, well, the problem for me with the movie, what I would have liked to have seen, would be more Renee Russo and Tom Behringer and what that transition was like for him, that it was, like, handing the keys to Charlie Sheen, which makes perfect sense Yeah. Considering the time. It's wild that it's a PG movie that's a sequel to an r rated movie that appeals to such a wide age range. I'm sure of it. What year was that?

But it's a 5% movie. Pull it out your ass, lord mouth. 94. Oh, so 5 years later, but the c it takes place the season after. Or the season after 5 years.

And they're and they suck again. I'm like, I got it Sam. Yes. Because they're they have to start from the beginning every time They're nipped in the bud by, like, they've bought into their own hype. Right.

And the main thing is is that Rick loses sight of himself at a course. But that's You're always at your most powerful and whatever when you're just being yourself. That moment when they're mocking wild dance. They're like, yeah, bring out the wild Randy Quade, baby. The bulldozers.

Oh my god. It's Turn this place into a park and live. And then that moment when he walks in, you're like, that's Goosebumps. They yes. I agree.

Yeah. Show it up your ass, lard mouth. Oh my god. He's back. It's like a 3 and a half shove it up your ass, lard mouths for me.

Like, I really still liked it a lot. It's a fun movie. I have a Charlie Sheen story. Oh, please. I told one last time, so I wanna went here.

Year fair. Years ago. Like, a transpo captain who was the son of, like, a really high up there transpo guy. He was Cecil b DeMille's driver, and then he, like, opened up his own thing. And then his his son took over some of the empire, but his son wanted to be a writer.

We had mutual friends, and he had this script that was called, spare parts. And it was Charlie Sheen really wanted a hotshots type movie again for him, like, for his comeback in into the industry again after his many failures. And, so then he, it was like a robocop type spoof. Okay. And the guy came to me and he's like spoofy ever.

Yeah. He wanted me to to punch up the script. And so I wrote a whole bunch of jokes for it, and we incorporated the script. He was gonna take it to Charlie Sheen, and it was that month he got 2 and a half men. And, it all Oh, wow.

Yeah. Oh, what if it's like a sad Charlie Sheen? No. I I never met the guy. Yeah.

I'm sure he's a wonderful human being. No. But they're saying this. So we're not This is like a being. No.

But they're saying this. Because it was like the association. I was just gonna say, I was looking up just some Charlie Sheen shit while I was making this sheet, for Major League. Hotshots made so much fucking money. Hotshots made, like, $70,000,000.

I'm more of a hotshots part due. It's a better it's funnier. It it is funnier. I love you. That's all that matters.

Yeah. Comedy is so hard to execute. It's so fucking hard. It is. Should we get a sheet?

Just the facts, Ben. Archaeology is the search for facts. The guest, Hanwei or Hanwei films. Snoot Entertainment 2014. This film is rated r, and they're not fucking around.

1 hour and 40 minutes. I'm gonna mention this now and it'll be on the episode description as well. This movie has an intensity and a violence that can hit, I'm sure, certain people in certain ways. So we're just gonna mention it now. If you haven't watched the movie yet, if exceptionally violent movies or movies that have a tendency to not pull punches are not your thing, don't watch this movie.

Budget was $5,000,000 adjusted. That's 6,500,000. That stretched a long way. Sure did. Yeah.

Opening weekend, September 17, 2014. That was the wide release. This movie made $85,000. Oh, god. In the US, that is a $111,000 adjusted.

Final gross in North America, 333,000. We finally did it. The full Illuminati while Dave is here. The adjusted, 434,000. Final gross worldwide was 2,700,000.

That is 3,500,000 adjusted. Other releases this weekend, the maze runner, a walk among the tombstones, This is where I leave you. Weekend top 5, the maze runner, a walk among the tombstones. This is where I leave you. No good deed.

Dolphin tale 2. I didn't know that existed. Truly had no clue. Okay. Top 5 films from this year, guardians of the galaxy.

Mhmm. The hunger games, mockingjay, Captain America, the Winter Soldier as opposed to the summer sausage. All buttered sausage. All buttered. The Lego movie and transformers age of extinction as opposed to beast wars.

That's the one where they took Jurassic Park and transformers and made it a movie. Made it a movie. Thanks, Jack, GBT. Really made that a movie. Other films from 2014, Interstellar, Gone Girl, Lucy, the equalizer, lone survivor, Annabelle, Need for Speed, Nightcrawler, and Her?

Her? Letterboxed average is 3.4. As Ben mentioned, he's at run BMC on Letterboxed. And Paul is at Her? Paul acts badly.

Her. I've never heard of Letterboxed. Thank you, Dave. Not a sponsor. Fun little site to rank movies and show what you watched.

Sheila O'Malley for ebert.com gives this 3 out of 4 possible stars. Rotten Tomatoes gives it 92%, and Metacritic a pretty healthy 76. Major award wins and nominations. This is a genre movie. So 2 Saturn award noms, best thriller film and best actor for Dan Stevens.

When you're a genre movie, you gotta mention the Saturn award. Yeah. It's baby. Yeah. The director of this movie is Adam Wingard, who did Your Next Death Note, the US version, Godzilla v.

Kong. He also is doing the upcoming Godzilla X Kong Empire, which looks silly. Writer, Simon Barrett, Godzilla X Kong. Oh, like, right there. VHS, the VHS series, and seance.

Director of photography, Robbie Baumgartner. That's a funny name. Midway Blindspotting, Not Okay. Has anyone heard of that or seen it? Not Okay?

Yeah. No. No. It's pretty good. Yeah.

It's a it's not a it's Zoey Deutsch. It's like It's it's it's not okay. It's good. It's like 3 and a half stars. Okay.

It's better than okay. Okay. It's not okay. It's good. Producers, Jess Woo Kauter and Keith Kauter, 1 night in Miami, Blindspotting.

Yeah. That's a good movie, 1 night in Miami. Audrey Elliot Zoschke worked costumes on that film show. Oh, that's right. We talked about that.

Yeah. Dan Stevens plays David. He was in Beauty and the Beast, although you didn't see him because he had a different face. Yeah. Did we see him in this?

Did he have a different face? He's drinking Skyline wine. It's just Tabasco and gasoline. Eurovision Song Contest, the story of fire saga. Another movie that fucking rules.

I love that movie. Yep. That's that's one of Jess's go to mental health movies. Hell, yeah. We we have friends who have seen it, like, 50, 60 times.

Awesome. That's a movie that I should have on my list where it's like, I don't care if it came out, like, 2, 3 years ago. We'll watch it right now. And he's fabulous. Did you guys ever watch Legion?

I don't The TV show or the movie? Maybe like the first episode. The TV show that he starred on. Oh, the Dan Stevens Legion, the Marvel one. Yeah.

I watched the first season. I'm shocked you don't have Downton Abbey on here. We usually only do movies. Yeah. Oh.

And I was hoping you or I would mention that he left Downton Abbey to do this movie. Yeah. In the the dumbest possible way. I would say that for all Downton Abbey heads. Which I am one.

Wow. You just got you just gotta tarry on your back. Downton Abbey heads. You don't like Downton Abbey? No.

I've never seen it. Oh, okay. Cool. I'm sure it's great. Micah Monroe plays Anna.

It follows. It the Independence Day resurgence, the 5th wave. I've seen one of those movies. I hope it follows. It is.

Sheila Kelly, Lara, Matchstick Man, One Fine Day, Some Girls, Leland Orser, mister Peterson, 7 set set 7 in, Taken, the Bone Collector. Joel David Moore plays Craig. He's in the Avatar movies, dodgeball, and CBGB. Lance Reddick, big RIP. Big RIP, dude.

That's a huge loss. Yes. Mister Carver, John Wick Major Carver. Sorry. John Wick, White House down, Angel has fallen.

Can we take a quick pause right here? Dave, you may know this. I don't know. It's not in the fun facts, but when I went to Vidiots, there was a q and a Adam Wingard and Oh, yeah. There Barrett and a few other folks were there, and they talked about, working with the fucking fantastic, amazing Lance Reddick.

Yeah. And I guess is, their story was that Lance Reddick's experience on this movie and with the movie for a little bit afterward was a little bit weird. And part of that was apparently he was in, like, a Shannon Doherty and Heather situation where he was like, oh, this is like a serious movie. And it took a while for it to, like, him to realize and apparently for it to set in. It's like, no.

This is like a satire. And, like, part of why that performance is so good is he is in a very fucking serious movie. Really? And it doesn't work, like, if he's not No. Like, just, like, button down serious.

The performance is so perfect. I I will say that when when the movie transitions to him in the boardroom, he becomes a different movie. It does. Yeah. The music changes.

Yeah. Everything changes. Wild movie. Dave, give us some fun facts, bud. Fun facts.

Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time. Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody. In a brief convo with Adam Wingard, he told Paul, who's here today That's me.

Some of the movies you should consider before or after. This, The Terminator. Yeah. Halloween, Halloween 3, season of the witch. That's where the kids all put on masks and bugs.

Which is it's a breakfast in this movie a few times. Yeah. I hate it. Like the complete sound. Shadow of a doubt.

Yeah. Really? That's, that's great. Hitchcock. Hitchcock.

It's, Teresa something and something like that. I haven't seen her yet. Oh, it's beautiful. I had no doubt. Stepfather and Stepfather 2.

Hell, yeah. And Time Bomb, which I do not know. It's a Michael Biehn movie that I watched that is a really cool high concept thing that a lot of visuals, it looks like, were lifted from that movie in a lot of, like, sci fi movies moving forward from it. As to like, there's some things from, like, altered states that you see a little bit in this movie that you then see. And, like, the matrix where it's like but some of it, it's just like, oh, woah.

I also wanna say, for me, 1st Blood and a movie called Death Dream. It's a Bob Clark movie from the seventies. It's a movie about PTSD, and it's the guy who directed A Christmas Story in Black Christmas. So, take a peek at those if you get a chance. Chance.

Shadow of the doubt or shadow of the doubt is about a this uncle comes to town and the daughter is really suspect of him. He seems like a and it turns out, of course, he's a He's he's spoilers. He says he is. You've had time. It came out in 1946 Okay.

We'll add the spoiler alert though. Yeah. Please do. But you should definitely see that movie. That probably owns that.

Do you own it? I do. Yeah. That's great, man. He's a bit you're a big Hitchcock guy.

I'm a big Hitchcock guy. Did you see how I did that? I do. 39 Steps, one of my favorite movies of all time. North by Northwest is my favorite movie.

It's great. We've talked about this before. Mine, I think, is Strangers on a Train of what I've seen. Have you seen not a Hitchcock movie, but have you seen Sherrod? Sherrod?

Yes. Oh, that movie is so fucking good. You know, the remake's pretty good too. They remade it? Yeah.

Oh, the truth about Charlie? Yeah. Truth about Charlie. Oh, okay. I gotta rewatch that.

I have to watch that. Pretty good. I saw it once at the movie theater and walked out and was like, oh, that was fine. Okay. I rented the old Blockbuster video back in the Woah.

RIP. Competitor. 19 75. Woah. Competitor.

Okay. Back back on on point here, please. Competitor. Competitor. Steve Moore, who composed the score for the movie, used the same type of synthesizers that John Carpenter and Alan Howarth.

Howarth? Howarth? Sure. Used for composing the score of Halloween 3 season of the witch. The film is intentionally structured and built like a horror, but plotted like a thriller.

That is Which like keeps you on your toes. Amazingly accurate. Yeah. Yeah. Dan Stevens is rarely seen blinking in this film.

This is intentional and meant to emphasize how unsettling David is. The 3 masks from the Halloween 3 season of the witch, jack o'-lantern, witch, and skeleton can be seen projected on the wall in the climax of the film on several occasions. David, I remember what I was gonna talk about earlier. Oh, yeah. Holy shit.

This was part of the conversation before it came down to Casino Royale and Wild Bunch. And I said, if that's in, like, your top 5 Yeah. Let's save it for spooky season and record an episode for it, for this movie. Mhmm. So that's how we came to that.

Now we know that we'll end up in the episode where it needs to be or here. Dave. Paul. Ben. Paul.

Dave. Paul. Paul. Ben. Dave.

Ben. What's the log line of this movie? Okay. So I thought about it, and it would be a young man arrives, at a family home claiming to know the son of the family who is a soldier who has died. This is a terrible long line.

No. You're you're doing pretty well. And, mayhem ensues in the small town. A soldier introduces himself to the Peterson family claiming to be a friend of their son who died in action with him. After the young man is welcomed into their home, a series of accidental deaths seem to be connected to his presence.

Yes. I had that. I had that. Prius is a lot better than my, You were on a good track. Yeah.

You were. Yeah. Did, you know, just didn't write it down like I did last time. We got 3 writers here. 3 I know Ben and I have been train damn it, Paul.

I know Ben and I have been trained in improv. Dave, have you had improv training? I only know. Yes. And.

Who brought this episode to us? It's me. We're both looking at you. I was gonna say bad audience members. Bad audiences.

Yeah. You know Brought to you by the folks at bad audiences. Yeah. Absolutely. You wanna be with a good audience?

See the guest. Go to the midnight madness at Sundance, sir. Come to Vidiots. Mhmm. Don't go see Dune.

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Thanks again for listening and enjoy the rest of this episode for the guest. Get a job. I can I made it through 5 minutes of the one watch and turn it off? I watched that but he's all the way through. I told my wife, and I was like, I I can't watch this movie.

Because, you know, I love my wife. She's You know, but, like, we all draw the line and for me, the line is bossler. I actually like her. I I know you like Bosler. Yeah.

I I liked Strictly. Sure. The first that's the first thing I know of that you made anyway. I also like Romeo and Juliet. Oh, William Shakespeare's Romeo plus Juliet?

Like, it's a it's pretty good. You know, I'd I'd rewatch that. I just like the version, like, where they laid the ground. What is this new Alex Schwarzenegger? That's the way to do it.

As as a Shakespeare nerd who trained in Shakespeare, I, am a big fan of that adaptation. Do you know you cannot find Titus on any platform? Like, it doesn't exist. The Julie Taymor, Johnny Hawkins. I own that one.

I own it too. Good for y'all. Yeah. I love it. Yeah.

Me too. I've made many people watch it. It's great. Have you ever seen Scotland, PA? No.

Do you know what it is? I've heard of it. It's it's Macbeth, but in a McDonald's. Oh, no. Yeah.

I've heard yes. But I'm not seeing it. In the seventies, and, like, it the first restaurant is called Dunkin's, and then he kills Dunkin' and calls it McBeth's, and it's fucking great. That's I've never seen this. I highly recommend that.

Christopher Walken's in it. The emperor? The spice it's got a flaw. Chris Christopher Walken. Chip, no.

Uh-huh. My daughter dad, no. I don't want to marry Paul at training. I I hid this McDonald's hamburger up my ass for 5 years. And none of it biodegraded.

Do you understand what it'll do to you if you eat that? So we have some bad strong Christopher Walken. We have some bad audience, members that we need to thank for this. But first, we need a pulse in a file. Okay.

And you get the first card. K. So if it's Christopher Walken, I'm gonna quit and walk out of this studio. Algorithm wins. Yeah.

Alright. Oh, it is, Denzel Washington. Okay. What's your freebie? Can you see it?

It oh, I can't see it. It's so hard to see. They did it in yellow. It's cool. In inside man, I'll just say.

Alright. Oh, that's not okay. Got it. Oh, it's me? We go this way, don't we?

Trading day. Oh, okay. I'll stay, man on fire. Flight. The hurricane.

Taking of Pelham 123, the remake. The equalizer. Mississippi Masala. Equalizer 2? Equalizer 3.

The tragedy of Macbeth. Philadelphia. Somebody already set man on fire. Right? Mhmm.

Alright. That's it. Ricochet. Oh, nice. Okay.

Ricochet. Dave, what is your first experience with guest v? What, was your rating at that point? And now that you've recently rewatched it, what is your rating now for guest, comma, v? So I, became familiar with Adam Wingard through VHS and kinda like his smaller things, and I watched your next Mhmm.

And I was, like, mildly entertained by it. It wasn't high on my list of things that I really enjoyed, but then I heard about the guest. And because Kathy and I were huge fans of Downton Abbey, I was like, alright. And also and I I'm I'm feeling like this is gonna come up, but Dan Stevens is my pick for the next James Bond. Oh, Mohsin.

Yeah. We've talked about this. Would be but but Personally because of this movie. Yes. Yes.

And no. I think Billy Carries himself. He he does. You know, like, he's brilliant. But we got the guest on I I can't remember who was streaming or whatever, but we watched it, and I absolutely fell in love with it.

I I and then we got it on Blu ray and rewatched it again. So I've seen it twice before this review. Okay. I know. The name of this podcast.

Yeah. It's true. What was your rating at that point? You've owned it a couple times. You've seen it a couple times.

What was your rating? I would say that it was 4 out of 5 failed military experiments. Okay. Is that what it's still at? Yeah.

Yeah. You just rewatched this. Tell us that little just rewatched it. Little tale. So should I should rerate it right now.

You can get a new rewatched it. Yeah. Now that you've had a fresh watch. Current reranking would be 4.5 out of 5 failed military experiments. Okay.

Alright. You get to pick the order who's sharing their Oh, I I wanna hear Ben. Paul and I are probably on the same page about this, and I again, as Paul said earlier, I have no reading on you, Ben. So Okay. This is a movie that I have not seen before.

It is a movie that Paul has been trying to get me to watch for, like, a year, question mark? Probably about that. And I wanna just say just, like, preface, at least for me. There's a big thing about expectation and that when somebody is especially someone whose movie, for the most part, respects, pointing it back. So you ruined this.

There's a there's a high expectation. There's an expectation of of a of a certain height, which is not something that I wanna go in with it. It's just what has been gifted upon me. What was your expectation? Because I feel like what I thought and my intention was to be like, you really need to see this because you've never seen anything like it.

It's really crazy. Well, my expectation was that it was gonna be amazing. Like, it was gonna just, like, top tier movie. Oh, I definitely feel I definitely feel like it was gonna be polarizing for you. Either you were gonna really love it or hate it.

Interesting. Okay. What I went in with was because I know that it's a 5 star movie for you, and so I know that it that it's like that was just how I went into it. And, like, I'm an open book. I'm a babe in the woods.

I'm ready to be I'm ready to be moved around, in any way. And I watched it, and I really enjoyed it. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie. It was a phenomenally made movie. I mean, performance score, everything.

And I watched away with 3 and a half grenades. That's a pretty high score for you. I yeah. It's a pretty high score for me. I'd agree.

Nice scoring, device there, by the way. Yep. I mean, everybody. Nice scoring devices all the way around. Thanks.

Yeah. My very first experience with this movie, when I came for this current second stay in Los Angeles many years ago now, I was staying with Dave for a while. And Dave was like, you gotta watch this movie, knowing that you've probably never seen anything like this and also knowing I really love weird shit, synthesizer shit, shit that it's like, is this in, like, a parallel universe? Like, where I get to kinda paint the picture a little bit. So, like, Dave knows my taste in that in that way, for sure.

I also I I'm so bummed that I set you up for the, like, you're gonna love it. It's gonna be amazing because I definitely had the feeling that you could hate it. I'm glad you came to the 3a half. That makes me very, very happy, actually. I'm glad I'm getting, like, an affirmative nod from you, so that's great.

But I watched this with Dave and was like, holy shit. What the fuck just happened to me? And I would give it 4 out of 5 fireballs. And I watched this movie a month ago at Vidiots with a live crowd, and it was an absolute blast. Previous guests, Travis Samson and Liz Ellis, were with me, and they had a blast as well.

It's such a great movie with the crowd. If you ever get a chance, do it. I also watched this movie this morning. I have watched this movie 6 times in the last 2 years. Jesus Christ.

That's a lot. Yeah. It's 5 fireballs. There's no question. I have really come to also the realization while we've been recording this.

Rewatchability, reviewability can keeping my interest, that actually moves the needle a lot for me. Mhmm. And if I it's like, why the why would you watch this movie 6 times in 2 years or maybe slightly more? If you don't think this is incredible or fascinating or something about it is just yeah. I just absolutely I love it.

It's great. End of podcast. I I'm excited to talk because I have some questions mostly, and I'm looking for answers. Also, I came away not wanting to watch this movie again. Yeah.

That makes a lot of sense. That makes sense. And I'm curious. I I would love to get to a point where I do wanna watch again. So I'm just very curious to hear Yeah.

Some some perspective. It's interesting, like, a lot of the things that are happening in the movie that are not only, like, satire of genre and whatnot, but that are also, like, callouts on certain things in, like, American culture. Mhmm. And and some of it is, like, very, very subtle. I don't know.

I just think it's a really brilliant movie. I'm so glad that you're receptive to, like, maybe I would watch this again, but, Dave and I both, like, nodded very quickly when you're like, I don't think I want to. And it's like, that also makes perfect sense. A lot of I don't know what any of your questions are, but I think a lot of them are what I will not rate it 5 fireballs or, failed military experiments. Like, I think they're 1 to half a star is probably the questions that you have.

Well, we'll find out. Should we Interesting. I I hope to, like, you know, I hope to do some heavy lifting today despite the back issues. Let's see what I can do. Can you put me on your back and squat me?

I'm gonna dude, this is gonna be like beast. I'm gonna try to go beastquake here. Alright. I'm getting through all defenders. I'm gonna cause a shaved in the ears.

Grab your nuts and jump in there. We're gonna move some scores. You will not be able to hold my penile unit. Skittles. We're done.

We're going fucking You know who else throws Skittles? Bad audience members. Oh. They do. God bless them.

I don't mean that at all. I did yell at a group of teenagers. Star the movie. Star the movie. Star the movie.

Star the movie. And now, our feature presentation. And how does this movie start? It's just some dude from the back So good. Breathing hard, but like paste breathing.

And then out of fucking nowhere, just like indigo, whatever font Yeah. On black screen, the guest. Also also, like, he explains he ran from the bus station Yes. To their home, and the family is very impressed or, like, shocked by this. How far is it?

Because they're where they're at is pretty remote. It's fill in the New Mexico. I imagine it's set in New Mexico. Like, there's no real indication of where It's a rural town. But it's just anywhere USA.

Yeah. It's supposed to specifically be kind of like rural Yeah. Rural or rural south, although New Mexico isn't that, but definitely very rural. It's just spread out. It's a rural spread out place.

So imagine from a bus stop to a, like, a private residence, that's probably at least 10 miles. I was gonna say 10 and 15. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The the impression he makes on the mother right away, I did not bring my notes with me because I wanted Ben to like me more. You know why I don't like Paul now? Oh, and it's like I dislike Dave more and everybody's fine accepting me. Well, even if disliking me more is, like, 100 to 99, but I would, I would Tell me. The one thing that I remember writing down about this when I watched it this morning was each of the small moments where he captures the heart of each of the family members Yeah.

And how disconcerting that is as the movie goes on. And it's so twisted. Yeah. The so when the when the mom opens the door and they kinda like This beautiful man. And he's so damn handsome.

He's so handsome. He's tall. And he's Yeah. He's just this very handsome Anglo Saxon, blonde haired, blue eyed, like Striking eyes. Hey, y'all.

Ah, shucks. Oh, jeez. That kinda guy He says that he I served with your son. Served with their son, and there's a photo of him on the wall. He's confirming.

Yeah. And he is apparently, like, just made a promise to her son that he would go and say I love you to all of his her son's family members, and that's why he's in town. It's it's really weird. He says that to the mom, and then he's repeating it. He meets the son, and he's repeating it to the son.

And he says it. He wanted me to tell you that he loved you. He says it exactly the same way, like he's rehearsed it in the mirror. Like, he doesn't really understand, like, that concept that probably didn't really happen. I guess it probably did happen, but, like, or so they knew each other at least.

That's for certain. Yeah. The whole way through the movie, you're, like, what is real about this guy and what is What is the motivation? What's the motivation? Why is he there?

Can we not hold on. Oh, yeah. We're getting ahead of ourselves. Because I this is where I'm gonna we're gonna get into my questions. And I wanna I wanna save them.

I wanna save them. And and and he is partially convinced by the mom who is 2 reasons right a few reasons, but two main reasons why she's letting him stay. 1, because she's attracted to him. And 2, because she thinks she's, like, can confirm that, like, she knew her son and she misses her son. This is Do you get somebody who's filling it to him.

I think initially in the first couple scenes, like, there's, like, a level of, like, I'm disarmed by this man. I trust this man because he's attractive. Maybe, like or she notices he's attractive. I just thought that he was, like, a substitute for her son. I think it's a complex version of both.

I think it's a little bit of both. Yeah. Okay. Fair. That's fair.

Yeah. And I I think, like, she's disarmed by, like, this very confused feeling that she has that is, to Dave, I think, with your point where I think it it becomes more so like mother son, like, pretty quickly Yes. Than the attractive thing. Sure. I mean, I think you can say both.

I I do. I I think to be on it and, like, we've been telling it's tales of incest since the Greeks. So it's like, it's not a weird thing to I mean, has anyone been on Pornhub in the last however long that that's been like? Do you wanna watch Game of Thrones? Yeah.

Exactly. It's an obsession in the culture. A little weird, guys. She the mom says, you've gotta stay and meet our daughter, Anna, Michael Monroe. She works nights.

Yeah. So you're gonna stay with us for a while. May I ask you this? Do you think do you think he would have left? No.

Yeah. And the the this is, like, this is a question that came up when I was watching it because I've seen it twice before this time. And I watched it today, and I was like, would you have left? Would you have gone to that motel, or would you have just moved on to Florida? This is tough because I think going through it as a first time viewer, I'm just going through it in the way that playing the beats by beats by beats.

When we find out when we get reveals and find out more, then, yeah, going back and revisiting that, I don't think like, to answer your question, I don't think he would leave. I also don't know what his actual motivations are. I have no idea. Yeah. I think we'll get to the point where it's like everything switches.

Right? But right now, it's sort of like obviously, we can tell there's something weird about this dude as a viewer, but we don't know what. Well and this is, like, where we get the scene of, like, David just sitting on the bed staring at the thing. And that for me is one of the first, like, kind of, like, big weird laughs of the movie. Yeah.

And, like, where it's, like, awkward and, like, kind of unsettling and funny, and we don't really know where we stand. I think his the idea of his that he has of his, you know, mission or whatnot is I said I would go back or made a pact with this guy that is the brother or whatever, and I'm gonna fix things for his family. And I think at first, he thinks he's fixing things. And but he doesn't really know how to do that. He's a fucking monster.

He's been reprogrammed and retreaded and all this other shit. So the only thing he knows how to do really is kill. And that's the thing is it, like, escalates to that point where it's, like, it's never good or right, but it just gets worse and worse and worse. Like, as his programming, like, breaks down. I guess, is the best way I can put it.

He's like the absolute nightmare version of, like, Jason Bourne or something. It's very similar to the the Bourne identity. Yeah. So this is where we get to meet Luke's school bullies. Oh, yeah.

Classic bullies. Classic bullies. Just like yeah. Just very, like, genre, easily unlikable. Like, they're homophobic.

They're bigoted. Like, they're aggressive. They're physical. They're awful. And they push him into a locker, and he comes home with a with a shiner.

Yeah. And then And he got hit with a football. And then yeah. And this is where I thought I was Yeah. I thought it was really funny that That could happen.

They're sitting down at a table, him and David. And the the dad I don't remember his character. Leland Dorser? Mister Peterson? Peters mister Peterson.

Spencer. Yeah. Spencer. It's speaking at a volume and at proximity that David can hear about how he doesn't want him. Mhmm.

Yeah. And then he has the PTSD, maybe. Yeah. And the way and and in I was just like, dude, what? Why is this conversation happening right there?

Right? And the way that David is just laser locked on Luke Yeah. While this conversation is happening off screen and he can still hear it. It it speaks volumes about his character that he's laser locked on whatever he's into right at that moment. I can imagine he's not even listening to that.

Yeah. Because it doesn't even care about it. Oh, I think it's both. I think I think he's able to kinda He says your parents are arguing about me. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I I think it's both where he's with Luke and he's listening, but he's hearing that conversation. And, Dave, to go back to what you were saying, at this point, if they're like, hey.

Look, man. We really appreciate you being here and everything you've done, but the motel is whatever. It's just no problem. We don't know you. Maybe he leaves.

I don't know. I think he's very determined to be a fixer in this situation. But I think he knows that the mom, missus Peterson, is gonna win out. And I love the escalation of Leland Orser and Dan Stevens, mister Peterson and David. Drinking.

Oh, he's his drinking buddy. It makes it so easy to believe, like, the way he ingratiates with the family, I totally buy into it. Peter mister Peterson Spencer clearly is just miserable. Yes. Yeah.

And just spends all of his off time drinking. And, yeah, he he's miserable at work and, like, overlooked and underpaid and underappreciated. He in your Jason Bourne, comparison, he just becomes David just becomes everything to everyone. And he's like Mhmm. So for the mom, he's the replacement son.

For the daughter, it's the boyfriend who she doesn't have. Yeah. The stoner who doesn't relate to her. Really doesn't care. He's the protector, the guy who can actually do the things dad is supposed to do.

Right. And so he become and for dad The best friend. Yeah. The best friend. The drinking buddy who is gonna, like, elevate his career, give him the advice he really needs.

Well and the movie very clearly represents and shows, like, part of, like, why he's able to do this is because, like, he's like a good looking, well spoken, nice white dude. What is this okay. Question. Yeah. No.

This question is more about, like, the the genre of movies where somebody goes into pretends to be someone they're not, goes into their someone's lives, and they ingratiate themselves. School of Rock does this. Yeah. And, like, becomes part of a thing and then turns out School of Rock and this turned out very differently. I wish it hadn't.

But you know what I mean? Like, that's like a that's like a type of movie. What what would you what would you call what would you call that? I mean, it there's there's like a bait and switch or a hidden identity or something like that. I mean imposter.

Well Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The Terminator is one of those things where it's like a robot under, you know, human skin. I mean, a cybernetic organism, a learning computer. But, also, in so 2 two horror movies that I really love are the first two of the stepfather.

Horror. Horror. Horror. Not horror movies. Not like Crimes of Passion or something.

Okay, Pee Wee. But but step stepfather 1 and 2, which starred Terry O'Quinn. Most people know him from the X Files. But these this is yeah. And lost.

But these are these movies are about someone who's just like, oh, you'd never suspect me to literally be an insane o, like, serial killer, hidden identity, etcetera. That was part of what I wanted to do is I I felt like this might be a question listeners have as well as some of us or what have you. It's like, here are some of the movies, like, to kinda watch for context because it's like a very specific Sure. Kind of Yeah. Lane or genre.

It's really weird. On the note of really weird, Luke normally gets picked up by his mom at school, and they go over his day. And he sits in the car this day to get picked up for school, and they're just sitting there for a second and he turns, and it's David picking him up. And David's like, yeah. So are those the guys that hit you?

And it's like the clear, like, genre bullies from, like, an eighties movie or whatever. And Luke's like Usuda got hit with a football, and he's like, on. Yeah. And they follow them to a bar. Mhmm.

Where they high schoolers get drunk because they're on the football team. Which happens in small towns and some that I've been to anyway. I can buy that. Nah. I could buy it.

I also can buy one of my favorite lines in this movie when David's ordering drinks for that table, like blow job shots and cosmopolitan and trying to be insulting and all this. He pulls out this huge, like, g wad of cash. Yes. Where did he get that? The cash is easy to get.

Cash is easy to get. It's so good. So And where it's like a thing where it's like, dude, we see what this guy's capable of later in the movie. Yeah. For him, yes.

Cash is easy. Yikes. Yeah. I laughed heartily at that line. I I laughed, I think, more at this viewing that I had in any previous viewing.

Do you guys laugh at movies when you're watching them by yourself? Yes. Out loud. I will, sir. Yeah.

I do not. Oh, wow. I think is it because you're dead inside? I mean, that's definitely part of it. Mhmm.

But, no, I don't I like Plays a role. I don't really laugh when I'm by myself, To be honest to be honest. Even when you're watching the Stupids with Tom Arnold. Well, okay. Well, you bring up the Stupids.

You can't break the game, Dave. That's not fair. Did Paul tell you that was first movie that I was gonna break? Oh, really? That was the movie that he brought up at a point in time for sure.

Yeah. Absolutely. No. He pinched me the, the idea for this podcast, and I was like, I was like, oh, can I bring the Stupids? And I was like, yeah.

I feel like that's not so obscure that, like, we can't find it or people won't understand what it is. Yeah. No. I just, I I'll giggle or go and, like, expel air, but it takes a lot for me to, like, laugh out loud. I I definitely laughed out loud when I was watching Major League 2, like, a few times.

I'm gonna say that I think that it's And this movie. It's like a, and I don't mean this as an at all. It's because you're watching it from the perspective of filmmaker, and so you're thinking about all the different layers of what's happening in that scene and Could be. So then just the comedy of it is gonna be just one of the layers that you think Yeah. Maybe.

And it's it's interesting as you, like, unpack these layers. Like, when you watch interviews with Dan Stevens or Adam Wingard or Simon Barrett, the intention of this movie is was always to be funny. It's always supposed to be this, like, really extreme take on I'm trying to think of the exact, like, psyop thing or whatever the thing where, like, you say purple monkey dishwasher and somebody goes insane. Winter soldier. I'm a stab at that.

MK Ultra. So, like, MK Ultra type. Is that a beer? You hit that too. MK Ultra?

Yeah. Or I almost stab you right now. Michelob Ultra? It's brought to you by Stab. So I'm clean.

This is also the other thing when, Dan Stevens, like, gets out of the shower and he's just all, like, cut up and, like, this huge waft of steam comes out. Like, where it's, like, look at this adidas. And she's just, like, speak Michael Monroe is, like, speechless. Oh, yeah. It's so good.

But we saw her with her boyfriend smoking weed on swings. Well, he yeah. He's, like, a total, like, stoner loser. He doesn't listen to her. Like, he doesn't care about anything.

He just wants her to smoke weed. To the floor for this. But the conversation of, like, but you said you like him. And I was like, no. I said I met him.

He's nice. He's nice. It's not the same thing. And exactly. It's like He says, like, why you don't like him?

And she says, I didn't say that. Yeah. And I thought that was a really interesting conversation. Listening to yeah. Anything.

I'm just like, what are you talking about? Then the conversation is, like, you can tell that she's clearly, like, interested in him. Yeah. There there's a level I get a a feeling there's a level of almost everybody if if they don't want to be with him, they want to be liked by him. Like, there's there seems to be a fascination or, like, everyone's kind of hypnotized by it.

It's called a magnetic personality. There you go. Charisma. Except for he goes to the party with Micah Monroe with Anna after the mom insists. Yeah.

And where he can hear. Where? Yeah. Where she says, like, he's lonely. Take take him.

Take him with you. He's your brother. Don't don't you you need to include your brother. Yeah. And he wears a polo shirt.

He does. To this small town. And he also always walks like he has a stick up his ass. Yes. He's always he's very military in his like, the way he moves and walks and it's very robotic.

Ready to kill anybody at any time. Yeah. A 100%. A guy that walks into a party just literally starts hurling around kegs like they're soda cans. What I thought was funny.

So he comes in carrying a keg on his left shoulder with his arm up, and he has the other one by its handle on his right. We see him put down the right. We don't see him put down that left because that would be really hard. It would be very hard. By the way, I guess they did this unbeknownst to Micah Monroe and her reaction, like, where she's like, oh, wow.

It's like Well, those are empty. Oh, of course. Sure. But either way, she played along with it either way. But, like, it's a very I think every acting job in this movie is, like, pitch perfect for what you need that character to do or, like, how what the effect you want the character to have.

Whether or not you love the performance, it does exactly what it's supposed to do. Yeah. Dan Stevens does a great job of heavy acting, putting down the Oh, 100%. Totally. Yes.

He does. But it would have been hard to see him do the third one. It's true. Second one because that would have been I've carried a keg. Me too.

Both hands, and it is just Oh, they're they're well over the balance. Throwing your back out. I know. Yeah. They go through all of the it was like watching a really good looking me at a party in my twenties where it's like, oh, I'm gonna smoke weed.

I'm gonna get in a fight. I'm gonna have sex. Like, some some guy's gonna be like, weed. I don't know. That's why No one's gonna false valor me because I've never been to church.

Hold of you for a week. Now you're having a party? What the fuck? Dude, when I gotta say all of the fights in this movie, the audio is so bone It is. It's just like, oh.

The fights are very brutal. That first one feels like in the bar, it feels like Oh my god. It's like, like face smashing. Every hit is face smashing. The ankle breaker too that he gives the guys is pretty brutal.

Also, like, aren't those football players? Yeah. He's not gonna be playing football this year. Yeah. Nope.

Definitely off that's gonna be on the injured list. And I think that brings us to, Stolen Valor and a mix CD. But I think it also brings us to the fact that you're rooting for this guy, like Oh, yeah. Throughout. He feels like he feels like a vigilante.

He's he's he seems like an angel. Like, it was like, oh, this poor family is going through all this terrible stuff and, like, this guy showed up and he's He's gonna solve all their problems. He's fixing everything for them. Oh. He's like a he's like, if your brother was friends with Batman, and Batman just came and started, like Yes.

Fixing everything. Now now everyone think about your watch this movie and then think about your love of Batman. What Batman? Done and Cash is easy to get. Cash is easy to get.

So David makes a phone call. He loves Anna's CD, the music. That's, like, the thing that I think that hooks her. Oh, yeah. He says this I like this music.

That he uses to, like, get her and ingratiate with her. And she's like, I'll make you one. And because her boyfriend and her just got into a fight at the party, and she's already kinda been attracted to him. So now you're like, oh, she's DTF. She's the hardest nut to crack in the family.

She is, but she's Coming. She's attractive to one of the decisions. Her her guards are down because of that. Mhmm. Okay, Paul.

So you said David makes a phone call. He makes a phone call the morning after the party to someone about what it seems like is this surgery thing he wants to do. So here comes my first question. Yes. David seems really, really skilled at what he does and at hiding a lot of the a lot of the things that he's trying to keep from them.

He's really good at, like, ingratiating and talking to them and making them feel good and then being in private moments and having these, like, creepy stareouts or whatever. That first phone call to me was felt like a plot device and didn't feel character. He's smarter than that. He why is he going outside outside this kitchen having a loud conversation? That could be a quiet conversation in a car or in his room where no one could hear it.

That was one thing for me where I was like, I don't understand that. Yep. I guess you could say that something could have been written that was different that maybe felt less plot wholly could have been done or something that doesn't feel it seems like you're kinda saying it's like maybe it feels like lazy or shoehorny or whatever kind of I just I don't disagree with that if that's what you're saying. That's okay. It's just one of those things where it's like, yes.

I agree. Like, he could have done it in the in the car, in the garage probably or something. I don't know. It's a thing, like, we've talked about in some of the other movies where it's like, I guess, like, that's not something it's not like you're wrong, but it's not something I can be like, that's enough for me to, like, fault it. That's fine.

It was more for me that was just a question because it it rubbed me. It, like, hit me weird because it again, like, I feel like he's a very skilled thing. Yeah. I think and this happens in horror movies a lot, right, where where plot is progressed through incompetency sometimes of a character where the logic of the character, the the intelligence of the character is broken down a little bit just to make the thing go, which is okay for the genre, and that's so typical of the genre. And so I can forgive it for that, but I just that was a moment for me where I'm like, oh.

So I think you definitely need a moment where Michael Monroe's, you know, suspicion is heightened. Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

You know? And that it's, it's also good to then introduce the idea of the burns, the burn victims, and the fingerprints and that kind of thing. And all that makes sense, but I do agree that, like I was saying earlier, this is why it's, like, you know, less than 5 stars for me is that it does have these elements where it's like, I I can forgive it, but it is also it's not as perfect as it could. Yeah. This is a small moment.

I and, no, and I don't disagree with you. It's one of those things where it's like, could they have, like, shown him walking out of the garage like it was the end of a phone conversation, and she caught the end of it? Sure. There are various things that could be done. I also like the idea of this Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers type character, as we certainly hope that someone is going to beat him, that there is some sort of vulnerability.

And maybe it is in that he has, like, an arrogance where he can just, like, everybody's gone and she's in bed. I'll just have this conversation pretty much, like, wherever I want. And maybe his, like, overconfidence or arrogance is one of the things that throws it off. It's one of those things, like, it see it I don't disagree that it's a plot. We don't have Issue, but I also it's one of those things that it's it's very easy to kinda, like, justify Yeah.

Where now we get KPG, the corporation, the military contractor Yeah. The reverse Illuminati. Does anybody else understand that in almost every frame of this movie, there's a triangle? No. Nobody but you.

I talked to Adam Wingard about this, and I said, what's what's the deal with, like, Mica Monroe's triangle necklace? The pyramid on the back of the dollar bill? No. And the, like, triangles on the chalkboard in the Classroom? In the classroom and and the cat ears and, like, this recurring thing with the triangles.

And he and he goes, it's kinda like my shout to Illuminati, like, understand I'm, like, being accepted into the club. You know? And I just laughed so hard at that answer because I thought it was so beautiful because it was, like, very intentional on his part. Like, this messaging that, like and the KPG logo is flipped upside down. It's always at work.

And, like, when KPG shows up and the triangle goes upside down, that's when the world is starting to turn upside down. So it's, like, super intentional. But we get Lance Reddick, which is great. RIP. So I don't know if, like, well, podcast listeners can see this, but Paul and Ben and I are laying head to feet in a triangle Yeah.

During this entire Beep beep beep beep beep. Mhmm. Yes. As requested by myself, I am laying at Paul's feet. I'm very upset.

Mhmm. His feet smell. Yeah. They smell like cats. But his head smells too.

His head also smells like cats. We all just smell like cats. He's like the same. Like the movie cats. Cats.

So 5 star movie. This is where for me, if you don't start to, like, pick up that this is a comedy, and this is also, like, where it's clear, where KPG, the world is gonna flip from where we've been. Mhmm. This guy clearly is not the good guy. Mhmm.

He's the bad guy now. Triangle down. Thumb down. And he goes and meets Ethan Embry out of nowhere Which is great. Which is awesome.

Yeah. And Joel David Morgan. Okay. We met at the party. He was like the kinda like stolen valor.

Like, yeah, man. You don't want me to go serve, man, or whatever. Whatever it is. Yeah. He's negotiating a gun buy with them, and he says, I'm going to buy I wanna buy all of your guns, and they're stoked.

And he showed he had cash. The cash is easy to get. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's legit.

And Ethan Embry's like, oh, yeah. You wanna buy all my guns? Yeah. What what do you wanna do? And, Dan Steven goes, no.

I'm going to kill you. And Ethan Embry's like, what? And that in that that delivery is so deadpan and the grin on his face and stuff. It's like, I can't help but, like, woah. Like He goes, like, David, what the fuck?

Yeah. And Ethan Embry pulls his revolver on him and Dan Stevens flips it in, like, a very fluid motion Yeah. And just shoots him in the head. Yeah. Then he tries to shoot the other guy and there was only 1 bullet in there.

Which is so funny. I laughed. Yeah. Yeah. I laughed.

Yeah. It's like, why why is there only 1 bullet in that gun? He rolls his eyes like, oh my god. Yeah. And reloads the gun and this is another moment where it's like, if you don't get that this is a comedy and that things are gonna go absolutely bad shit, Joel David Moore runs a good 130 feet away Yes.

In a straight line. Yeah. In a straight line, no serpentine. But Dan Stevens shoots him with this gun that he shot one other time before, but he's also an MK Ultra, like, badass crazy Jason Bourne guy. Like a little train.

And Joel David Moore's hat pops off his head like 8 feet in the air. It's great. When I was at Vidiots, I go, the hat every time and, like, a bunch of people around me, they were just like, oh my god. Like, that hat thing. It's great.

It's great. I should've gave this 5 hats. Yeah. Oh. Five popping hats.

Oh my god. I think that's the other thing is Dan Stevens is partially mad at Joel David Moore and Ethan Embry because Ethan Embry, when he's like, oh, were you army? And Damon Stevens is like, yep. But he goes, I'm navy myself. And Dan Stevens is like, bullshit.

No. You weren't. Yeah. Could have been. Like Yeah.

But, also, this is where I get into the question of, so is David programmed that if anyone knows about who he actually is, he has to kill them? They do say he's basically programmed to wipe everybody out. They say that and then but I think that, like, he he just is like you know, there's a very clear answer to every problem, and that is to kill somebody. Yeah. And That's his answer to it.

His answer is But in this moment, is it because they know who they know? I don't think they knew who he was. Well, like, but he bought guns off of them. Right. So he Oh, he was gonna kill from the minute at that table at the party.

Yeah. He was going to kill. He reviewed his hand, though, of, like, what his, like, intentions are, I guess. And so he has to kill them. Mhmm.

Because he Mhmm. I think that that's at least what I took away. Oh, yeah. I I agree. Plus he needed all the guns.

Guns. Lots of guns. Yeah. Cash is easy to come by as well as easy to hold on to. Yeah.

The Matrix Matrix is getting a rerelease in the theater in, like, 2 weeks. Really? What is? The Matrix for the 20th. Oh, I saw it on the last one in 4 k, and it was incredible.

And Definitely gonna go. Yeah. I would probably go again. I hope that happens in Las Vegas where I'm I'm sure it will. I think it's gonna be all over the nation.

Yeah. Leland Dorser gets home and this boss that he's been having the problem with and the job he's been having a problem with, with no money. All his problems are solved because suddenly his boss is dead under mysterious overdose circumstances. Him and his girlfriend. Girlfriend.

None of this makes any sense. Bruises on her. Yeah. And this weird detail that some dude would know. Yeah.

Did he talk to the cops directly? No. He only talked to the coworker who broke into his house. That would Oh. Yeah.

Oh, who shit must have shared it with him? I suppose yeah. You you may have shared that detail, but David must have been hitting her. David is trying to cover his tracks by creating Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Narratives. Mhmm. But he didn't really create a narrative with the gun buyer. No. But he he put the gun into the boyfriend's band.

Oh, he did. You're right. Yeah. So he did to, like, have a really tightly written movie. It is.

Very tightly. There's not a lot there's not all to give. And and the the big thing with Luke, his big story line, is he's picked on and he doesn't have a dad or any guidance or somebody to help him or protect him. And he tells him, like, what what is what is David telling? Oh, I'll tell you the exact line.

Please do. Because David's guidance is fucking insane. It is. David says, don't let yourself get picked on. And this goes on.

If they take the knife off you and beat you up Oh, yeah. Go to their houses at night and burn them down with their families inside. And you're just like, as an audience member, you're like, oh my god. And Luke's like, oh, okay. Wait.

Wait. Wait. You didn't finish the line. He goes, what's the worst they could do to you? What's the worst they could do to you?

Yeah. Well Because for him And you can't be And like Literally. The thing that's scary is Luke looks like a kid who could become a school shooter. Yes. He's being picked on.

He's getting stabbed with shit. Yeah. No, it's horrible. Like he gets stabbed with a sharp pencil. They're literally committing hate crimes against him as as David says.

Well, and then they go well, first, he fucking hits that kid with a yardstick, which was so satisfying. It's so good. Oh, man. It's so good. Like, the way David covers up the murder of the gun guys happens and the boyfriend's in jail, like, that potential threat, he's eliminated that.

Well, and he thinks he's helping her because she was having a fight with her boyfriend. And helping the dad and the mom because the dad definitely wanted the boyfriend out of the picture. Plus, also, we can all agree that dad was 100% right about the boyfriend. Right? I mean I mean, I guess and that guy sucked.

But also, I think if he doesn't try to control her, maybe she would just let him know. And Luke. Like, Luke is sort of, like, all in on David. Yeah. Of course.

That makes the most sense. But he's also wants and this is where he's helping because what the the thread he's following for Anna is the plastic surgery thread. Anna has called the military Right. To be like, who is this guy? And has started to question who he is and brings it up to her family.

Right. Which brings up one of my favorite, tropes in movies is when the big thing flashes on the computer screen. We're just like Call the corporation now. Do x. Yeah.

Or, yeah, there's that great, Within jams, sir. Yeah. Yeah. It's where the It's nice calls. Yeah.

Only lone star would use rap. It's like they've got a black and white picture of a main character that says eliminate, across the screen. Bond. Yeah. It's usually James Bond and Into a Kill.

Yeah. Yeah. Starring Christopher Walken. So she is, like, suspicious, and she tells you challenging. Yeah.

Doing it at school, and then, yeah, he gets in this fight. Luke gets in a fight, and then he goes to the principal's office. And the David comes to the school with his mom. Who what does David say to Luke? Says something like, did you What what did you do?

What Yeah. What happened? And he goes, oh, this kid called me the FA word. Right. Right.

Right. So I broke a yardstick on his face, and he's like, you did that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And Luke's like, yeah. And he's like proud of him. I'm so proud of you. Good job. And then he goes, like, that's great.

When he goes in there, the principal's like, we have to expel him. I believe that's the word that was used. Yes. But that's no excuse. So that makes it a hate crime.

What? A hate crime. And I'd like to know how many others have been perpetrated against her son under your watch. A gay student targeted with physical violence finally defends himself, and you're, what, suspending him? We could consider suspension.

No. You couldn't. I'll be interested to see what the board makes of you when this is in front of the entire country, not to mention our lawyers. Do you wanna sue them? I I I don't, We're suing you and the school board.

I didn't even know he was gay. What about after school detention? For how long? A month. That seems fair.

After school detention. We'll put him to work helping the prom committee set up for the Halloween dance. We'll agree to that, But I do not wanna hear anything further about this young man being harassed. Do we understand each other? I believe we do, mister Who are you?

I'm a friend of the family. And all this time, KPG is, like, mobilizing. Yeah. The corporation which has more power than the CIA, than the FBI, than the secret service, than the military in this situation, apparently, is mobilizing to get Jason Bourne, essentially. You were saying now, Ben.

Sorry. Oh, no. No. No. So the the that conversation in the principal's office, I thought was great.

It's brilliant. I love that scene. So well written. Yeah. It's fantastic.

And he's like, what did he call the kid? And he was like, he called him the f word, and he's like, great. And that that's a hate crime. And then just goes on about, like The way it escalates Like and then deescalates. How many of those are happening in the school.

Right. Like, I guess we might press charges. Do you wanna press charges? We're gonna press charges. We're gonna sue.

We're gonna sue. You'll hear our lawyer. Yeah. The principal's like, who are you? And there's like this wild thing that whole scene to me is like uncle Buck.

Sure. Where this guy has showed up, ingratiated himself to the family. What are these types of movies called? The bizarro uncle Buck. School of Rock what is it?

Something imposter. It's gotta be something imposter. I don't know. Yeah. But this is like the evil.

This is like the evil version. Well, it's the weird one. Yeah. But It's not the normal one. It's the evil It's the evil version.

But when, uncle Buck goes to the principal and he's like fuck. If I ever hear about you trying to stifle any little kid, she's 6. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? By the way, here's a quarter flicks it at her. Go downtown and have a rat.

Now that thing off your face, and she's just completely disarmed. And this is just like an an incredible wild rewrite of that. To me, it's like how it rings. I agree. And and the way that it, like, is like, wait a hate crime was committed against him after he was, like, stabbed.

He's like, I don't even know he was gay. Yeah. The whole thing, and it's like, doesn't need to answer that, whatever, and gets it down to a month of detention. Right. Not expelled.

Which is insane. And this is where Luke reveals, like, hey. Thank you so much. By the way I know every I know that you, like Yeah. Killed the plastic surgery to, like, change your face or whatever.

But Anna had me look into that, but it doesn't matter. Right? Because we're like buddies. And the look and you see, like, slowly click over. David's face clicks over.

God. That's performance. But we're friends. Right? Right?

And then he, like, smiles again. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And then you can tell in that moment, everyone is going to die.

It's a by the way, it's crazy. Who else did she tell? He says. Oh, exactly. It's David.

Thank you. David, thank you for being our guest, the guest as it were. But when David when the principal's like, who are you? And he goes, I'm a friend of the family. The way Dan Stevens in this movie is like otherworldly and watching interviews of him behind the scenes, like, talking about I was like, I read the script and I just died laughing.

I had to do it. 3rd question on my list. Please. Plastic surgery thread. Explain.

I don't know if he's gone through it or not at this point. It hasn't happened yet. Or yeah. I think he he's who he says he is. He's trying to be like the dog tags blah blah blah and schedule the plastic surgery, and I think he's just holding up there until he can get out.

K. Quick, though. The photo that shows up on the on the computer when they bring up David, whatever his last name is, isn't him? No. No.

It's the it's their son. No. No. It's not him. Photo that they look at later is him.

Well, that's the photo he just shows to say, like, have you seen Yeah. Yeah. Man resembling so We never we never get the name and his photo together. No. We we don't know what his real name is.

Because there's a whole theory online that he's actually their son. You know this. Right? Oh, no. No.

I didn't know that at all. There's a whole theory that he went back there because he was I love that. He was, like that was just he just thought that he was drawn back to his home. He didn't know why. And he had gone through this posterity to look like somebody else in his unit.

I love that. I just got goosebumps. If that's what that is, this movie is It's like 5 times better than what I thought it was. So Oh, my lord. Subtle.

I actually love that. Because I that's what I was thinking. And then I looked it up, and I was like, okay. I'm not crazy. There's a whole thread of people who were thinking that.

You were think that you're a smart guy. That's amazing. I the second I saw plastic surgery, I was like, oh, he is their son. That was the the first thing I thought. I looked at the photo, and I saw the son, and I saw Dan Stevens, and then you go later in the movie, and he's not David Collins.

He's somebody else. I was just like, okay. Well, these guys were clearly wrapped up in something bigger than themselves and they relied on each other and then some of them got killed and then the the failed military experiments just turned all crazy. I think that all is very possibly Yeah. It is.

Thing. I really be totally wrong. I really like everything I just heard and everything you just said. I also really like the weird thing with Luke where he like, he's well, this person's dead, this person's dead. I don't care.

Yeah. And he just keeps moving on. Where you know Luke is. And he's just so cut off and he's like We're losing Luke. Losing it.

Yeah. Losing him. But I thought when Lance Reddick so we're basically at this point, like, they're drying the clothes on line and whatever, and David disappears, and KPG shows up with their guns and whatever. And so often in this movie, when people show up with guns, huge guns, in black suits and whatever, people don't really react. Yeah.

Like, when people have guns, they're like, okay. You're in a small town, whatever. And I think it's, like, kind of an indictment on, like, you know, American, like, gun culture, small town culture, whatever, where it's like, this is fine. I think that's what it is, but also on the identity thing really quick. I don't think he's had the surgery yet.

I do love that theory a lot. That is good. But I don't think he's had the surgery yet. I think he picked up the dog tags of someone else. That he burned in the Arizona.

The dog tags with him, doesn't wear them because they're not his. Gotcha. And then at, they're like, do you look like do you see someone that resembles this man that looks like that says he's David Collins and he hasn't had the surgery yet? I think. I think his fingerprints are also, you know, still his fingerprints, and he wants them burned off.

Like or he wants different fingerprints. I love the idea of the sun. I love that ambiguous. I That's so cool. I think it feels purposely ambiguous.

That's I think so too. I've never had that thought, but I'm also not very smart. So I could be totally wrong. That could be not that much. Cool.

It is very I love that there are a few different answers to this. I think you know this about me, both of you. Like, I love when I agree with Norm Macdonald to a point. It's like, wait. You're telling me I gotta end the fucking movie?

Like, write the ending for me. I don't disagree with that, but I like things like this that are so weird Yeah. Yeah. That, like it's like, nah. Don't, like, take a turn and, like, now be normal and make it put it in a neat little package.

That's like every David Lynch movie. Mhmm. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally. Your fave. You love me too. I'm a Twin Peaks fan.

So Me too. Yeah. Oh, big time. I, I'll tell you this for free. Oh, good.

I don't have to use the sound. My, my wife, a lovely woman Special k. Happy late b day. For our, wedding. Our wedding gifts bought me the gold edition of Twin Peaks, you know?

Oh, yeah. I have that. And so I was like, well, what better time for us to start watching Twin Peaks together than our honeymoon because, you know, I'm in Oh, no. And, of course, you know, in the very first episode, there's a daughter who's killed and the dad has, like he's trying to dance and weeping openly, you know, and she starts crying on her honeymoon and and, she's like, why would you have me watch this on our honeymoon? That's a good question.

And I'm well, because I'm an idiot. And, and and I said, well, I mean, you bought this for me, so I wanted to share it together here on our honeymoon. Lesson 1 in, 15 years of marriage. Oh, good to know. Don't just break out twin peaks.

That was the new tag. I used to show that to every girlfriend. Oh. As like a test, you said. Right?

Oh, kinda. Kind of. I mean Like, are we gonna I mean I I love this too much for you to hate it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a it's a weird it's weird shit. And would you eat just like this movie? Butter and brie sandwiches while you did it? I would have a no. I was obsessed with getting a cup of black coffee.

Oh, yeah. Black as midnight on a moonless night. No cherry pie. And a slice of cherry pie. Yeah.

The way that Dan Stevens drops the laundry basket and pulls the gun so fluidly, it's so beautiful. Not only is the score in this movie art onto its own, that the score has a sequel that was released by, I believe, records. Oh, wow. I have it. It's amazing.

I have the 4 k of this movie also. The score reminds me, like, of it follows. Yes. It's it's supposed to be extremely evocative of Halloween 3 and, like, John Carpenter scores, which I think that movie is supposed to be of John Carpenter scores as well. So mission accomplished.

This is where he kills the mom. Which is the turn in the movie. The really hard. I when Kathy and I were watching this for the first time and he kills the mom, it is like it it's You no longer root for David. It's earth shattering.

Right? Because I hadn't been rooting for him for a little bit, but this is the big one. I feel like he would still I was still rooting for him a little bit. Okay. Yeah.

No. Me too. Yeah. Me too. I wanted him to be like the Jason Bourne, the good guy, the vigilante here.

Here's the thing. I've seen this movie at least three times, and I'm rooting for him even though I know it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I I think for me, it was the, like, he killed, like, the boss and the girlfriend. Maybe there were terrible people. I guess. I mean, maybe it's like the bruises on her body were abused from the guy. In terms of in terms of what the movie shows us Yeah.

Like I I get what you're saying. Yeah. But, like, that was when it clicked for me where it was like, well, he's just like killing people like willy nilly. Like this got that was when I was told where He killed willy nilly. Not willy nilly.

Not willy nilly. Joey Jojo Junior Shavendoo. It's okay. Willy nilly is a terrible audience member. No.

That we deserve to die. Milli Vanilli, however, terrible performer. Different. Different. You know girl, you Not really a performer.

Yeah. Now if there is a terrible performer and a terrible audience member, do they Cancel each other out? Cancel each other out? I think so. That's fair.

K. Yeah. So, like I think, like, if you've warranted them being terrible to you. You watch, like, Joe Rogan talking to, like, fan like, people in the audience. Oh, no.

That's, like, the hecklers in the audience. Yeah. Yeah. Just this one giant cold bath. Bone gone.

Now we get Dan Stevens, David, saying, missus Peterson, your son would understand why I have to do this, and just, like, stabs her through the chest. And he's been shot. He's, like, jumped through walls and windows. So to be clear, his programming, now she knows that he's not who he says he is. So Oh, it's full nuclear meltdown.

So he has to kill everybody because they all know now? Yes. That's why. Correct. Okay.

Great. And he smashes into the dad, and I love how he's annoyed that the dad didn't die in the car accident. Like, now I gotta shoot him. It's a good thing. Your dad doesn't drive a truck or something.

I always thought The station wagon? Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. They have a station wagon and a Jeep. So He knew that the dad was the one he was head on crashing because I I always thought, like, he He probably knew the car because he knew the car.

Yeah. I suppose. I I wanted to step back one second and get a a little conspiratorial Great. If I may. Oh, Illuminati.

Yeah. Illuminati. They ask. Right. So the the KPG KPG is that what it is?

Those those guys show up, and they all look like, you know, generic special forces. Contractors. But I will say they all kinda look this I noticed this again, don't hate me. You can cut this out if you want. I just want it.

Is they all look vaguely Middle Eastern. Dude, that's interesting. And and I I I looked at it this time and I was like, this is kinda odd for this, you know, typical white American soldier. Right? And so what what is he I thought one or none of them were white, but I didn't notice that they were one specific.

Not sure they were a stunt, but maybe sure they I'm sure they were a stunt team. Yeah. It it just it it just looked, you know, they are all beardy and stuff. You know? And I don't know.

They do all fold like stormtroopers. Yeah. They they all look and move like military esque people. They all die. Yeah.

They all die very easily. Yeah. But, like Yeah. He shoots he's very good at aiming. That's been established.

To Paul's point earlier where, you know, this corporation has, you know, more power than the military, the CIA. Yeah. It's a corporation. Of course. Yeah.

And then they all show up and immediately die. Yeah. I don't know. I I appreciate Lance Reddick has sold me on we're at Defcon holy fucking shit already. Oh, he's cool.

Yeah. Where he's already, like, on a meltdown. Nobody can know that we have to contain this. I assume how many did they say, David's were still active? Like, a few of them were still out there inactive?

I missed that. Yeah. But there were a few people in the program. Yeah. And a couple of them were still out there.

But this is, for me, like, Jesus fucking hell moment of the movie where it's like it becomes like it's kind of hard to stomach where I know what's happening. I know when he walks into the diner what he's gonna do. Yeah. But he just looks at that girl that he, like, had sex with, the best friend, and just shoots her That was very upsetting. And then blows it up.

It's like watching fucking basketball diaries or whatever Yeah. To a degree. Like, where you're like It's kinda like but it's kinda like contrasting things because you don't see any of the faces of the people you're hearing in the diner. You just hear them clamoring or whatever. But it's the the very personal sort of he goes, never mind.

And then shoots her. And that it's so off putting. Yeah. But then, you know, when he goes Stevie b because I love you. Yeah.

He pulls the pins on the grenades and then rolls them back, you know. Again, not looking at them. He he just rolls them back without looking at guys don't look at explosions. And he jumps out and then it's this very odd contrast between, like, this really off putting horrible thing that he does to this poor girl and then kind of this, like, cool explosion that happens immediately afterwards. Yeah.

Which apparently in New Mexico is through, like, a pipe across the street and stuff like that. Like, it was, like, legit, like, shit blew up. Yeah. The behind the scenes on this movie are wild. It's really fun.

It's just one of those movies that it's just so staggeringly beautiful and different. It's just something where it's just like if you can just go, I'm ready to just watch something that, like, I wouldn't normally unless you're me and you watch it 6 times in approximately 2 years. But KPG and the David breakdown, where he's telling Micah Monroe, Lance Reddick. He's the last one. Yeah.

Lance's last one. He got Anna, and they're in the car, and they're just giving us exposition. Yeah. Yeah. The real good guy in the movie, Lance Reddick.

Yeah. Well, is he though? Because he's, like, part of a corporation. He's trying to see the old is the good guy. Anna's the only Anna is the only good guy.

Yeah. But, I mean, here's Lance Reddick. He's trying to, like he knows what's gonna be happening. He's trying to get Anna and Luke dad. He is right now they're the only person that can help them.

I feel the doom for the parents after the the boss dies, and the dad's like, damn thing of it is. I get a salary and everything starting tomorrow. And the wife's like, well, that's like, I'm like, oh, they're fucked. Like, they're dead. Like, that's the moment I knew they were dead.

Like, that's where you get that horror movie kind of like, oh, like, all bets are off and Interesting. Yeah. Now we go full horror movie with, like, Lance Reddick, like, posing throughout, like, this haunted house that The Luke's worst day. Elaborate high school haunted house. It's so high budget.

Ever been made. Like, at first, I saw the opening of the haunted house. I was like, oh, wow. That's a fancy thing. And then they're they're, like, going through, like, 7 different genres of horror in this horror.

Yeah. It's like The Shining and They're the hero. My favorite part is where they're, like, how do we get through this maze? A right, a left, and a right. And a left, and a left, and a left, and there's, like, 7 or 8 different directions.

He's, like, got it. And Lance Reddick's like, yeah. But this is like David puts on the mix CD that she made for him. And it almost seems like it's like her gym, like pump up music. And, like, my proof to this is when they finally all reunite, after David, like, just slits the throat of the teacher Oh, he goes fucking Michael Myers in it every day.

And kills Lance Reddick and that whole thing. And we finally just get the 2 kids and David coming down fighting each other. And we've established Luke has David's butterfly knife for protection. Mhmm. And Micah Monroe outsmarts him.

Yeah. Which is great. She's too sneaky. She's very sneaky. She's always listening.

She's always around. Because she wears sneakers. Because she wears both Doc Martens. Both Doc Martens. For sneaking.

For sneaking. And she's like, you killed my parents? And he's like, yeah. And without hesitation, just fucking shoots him. Yeah.

But only in the shoulder. Like in the shoulder. And I do like that the son has the moment to, like because he's the one to me where he's, like, ingratiated. He's been turned to the dark side, essentially, that he said, Ben. Like I said, we're losing him.

And we know we've got him back when he, like, stabs him. They're triumphant. The day is saved. Until. They're outside.

How are you guys doing? We're fine. Yeah. Like and it's kinda like this weird catharsis too Yeah. Where it's like all these people and all these situations, the boyfriend, the parents, the trauma of the loss of the brother, like, all of this shit happened almost so, like, these two people could go, I'm fine.

Yeah. It's really wild. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And that she's a great final girl. She's really good in this movie too. I I tip my hat to Dan Stevens a few times, but she's fantastic. Yeah. She is.

She's, wonderful and it follows. Yeah. That is well. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Just great. And that's also by Adam Wingard. Right? No.

That's David Robert Mitchell who, it follows just got green lit for a sequel. Yeah. They follow. Yeah. I'm super excited for that.

Okay. I love the idea of her, like, trying to, like, go crazy for years, like, trying to find this thing and Maybe. I don't know. Who else? Did did anyone else after they saw that movie, like, look behind them several times as they were walking?

Yeah. Dave and I saw that movie together. Took like four showers after that. Yeah. Nowhere near a pool.

No. No. Oh, that that movie is great. Yeah. I just stood in the kitchen and pissed all over my feet.

I'm just waiting for a super tall guy to walk into my bed. Yeah. Oh, god. Okay. I've seen it twice.

I've seen that movie movie twice. We've come to the end. Okay. Is this the end? This is the end.

Dave, how do you wanna break this down? How do you wanna handle this? You get to choose who reranks this if anyone is. I feel like Paul. Paul.

Oh. I feel like a woman. Yeah. Ben, after our just, like, glorious intellectual discussion, I'm having you go first. Okay.

I really, again, I really enjoyed this movie, and I think that there was a lot, in our conversation. Like, in terms of what I did enjoy is sort of similar to what you guys enjoyed. The score, the performances, the turns and genre, the the fun of it, especially towards the end. I still have some questions, but I think I'm gonna wiggle up to a 4. Yes.

I'm gonna wiggle up to 4 grenades. Would you rewatch it? I might. Not very soon. But I Just for the triangles?

I think I'm interested in seeing it with the audience, like you said. It's so fun. Because because, again, like, I didn't I understood the turn of genre, but it didn't necessarily make me laugh. And so I would love to be with an audience that feels that vibe, and I could kinda, like, feel that too. I think it also you brought up a really good point where you're like, what what am I watching here?

What is this exactly? And that was part of why in the facts list and while we were going through, it's like, here's a big list of movies that you can relate to this and it's almost like a genre that exists unless you wanna, like, try to figure out a way to include uncle Buck like I did. Yeah. But it it's it's like 15 or 20 movies. Yeah.

Like, it it's it's not a genre that goes super deep, and I feel like, to me, the most relatable ones outside of Terminator or Halloween would would be first Rainbow First Blood. Sure. Yeah. I do wanna go back and rewatch this only to see if because when when Paul said, you know, she asks, did you kill my parents? And he says, yes.

I did. You know? I believe he does. Yeah. But I I I'm I'm curious to go back and rewatch killed my parents.

I believe she just accused you. You killed my parents. Yes. States. I did.

I'm curious as he to know if he ever says yeah in the movie or if it's just yes, which is so much more definitive. Oh, yeah. He probably did. And I could I I I everything about his character as horrible as he is It's a beautiful performance. Is so definitive.

Yeah. I just I might I might go, like, almost, Are you gonna go to a 5? Are you gonna go to a 5? Can I go 4 point 75? You can.

You that's the guest rule. You get the 0.25. I I don't think we, we answered all of Ben's questions. That's not to his satisfaction. But he also But also, we tried.

I there's a little bit that's murky about the whole Sure. Program and things like that and what we with it. You know? And I'm fine with it, but they still are enough for me to, like it's just it's not perfect. Yeah.

Cool. I'm so glad that you both walked away from this discussion feeling a little bit better. Suspense over. I'm still at a 5. Thank you so much for joining us everyone this evening.

I think we're just ready to, like, jump to the end here. Are we not? Anybody of plugs? Anything they wanna say? I'm a father of 3 who lives in Henderson, Nevada.

I have no idea. I I have nothing else to say. It's a 5 still for me. I didn't wiggle. Yeah.

No. I I could tell. Yeah. There was no wiggling for Paul. No.

I I was like a steamroller for sure. We Yeah. We all felt it. I got in steamroller mode. I'm sorry.

It's fine. Is it? No. Oh, good. Because we're just gonna bring the yardstick over your head.

That's fair too. Because you're a bad audience memory. Me? Probably the worst. Oh, yeah.

Okay. We wanna thank Jamie Henwood for doing our bookend themes. We wanna thank Matthew Foskett for our what are we watching theme. Hey, Ben. Yeah.

Hey, Dave. Yes? Ben. Paul? Will you tell Dave to thank you for doing our transition themes?

Dave, will you thank Ben for Dave for Ben? Thanks, Ben. You're welcome, Dave. For Do your Ben, what do you your thank you for your welcome. Thank you.

Is this your thing? I would like to thank, Dave, Ben. Paul. Hey. It's been a great time.

Thanks so much, everybody. Yes. Follow us to review x two podcast. Yes. At Paul x badly at rugbymc.

Dave? I'm not on Twitter. Oh, is this the Who is that? The name. We're not on that.

No. We didn't. What what were we talking about? Thank you so much for tuning in. We're maybe you're hearing this in October.

We don't know. Hi. I'm David. I'm the guest. Hi, David.

I'm Grandpa.