The Virgin Suicides / Your Well Deserved Break (Guest: Harriette Feliz)

No Paul? NO PROBLEM!! We don’t need no stinkin’, bad actor! Ben is joined by co hosts @rachaelperrellfosket, @bigtimebopper, & special guest @harriettedfelizo for “The Virgin Suicides.” (D. Sofia Coppola 1999) Starring: Kirstin Dunst, Kathleen Turner, and James Woods. "Accidental," death, a Trippy Josh Hartnett, and the unifying power of American football. The gang dives deep for answers in this very needed "Paulless" presentation of the 1999…dramedy?? Stay inside, queue up the Review Review, and prepare to never want to leave home again.

If you, or someone you know is having thoughts of suicide, there is hope, and there is help. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, at 988.
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**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Holy smokes. It's your usual co host, Paul, saying hi real quick, and welcoming you to the conclusion of Matt's Month and my micro review for the episode you're about to listen to that I have not yet heard or edited the virgin suicides. Guests, special guests, no listening to me for an entirety of breaking down a movie. It's gonna be a great episode. You're pretty much guaranteed to have a wonderful time.

And now my micro review. I had seen this movie at some point when I was in high school. I think I went to high school with them. It was in the mid seventies potentially with the virgins who suicide. No spoilers.

It's in it's in the title. Just rewatched this movie. 2nd time ever seeing it. Wow. Forgot what a great cast this movie has.

Forgot what a great needle drop movie this is, and I love how you literally hear the needle drop before the music starts. That's a great thing in the sound mix. There's some filters that happen that are pretty extreme. There are some really kinda difficult to handle subjects or what have you that are sometimes handled in one way, sometimes handled in another, and sometimes handled with humor, which I like. This was an oddly kind of funny movie at times.

I really enjoyed this movie. I am in wiggle mode. Sometimes we all know I can be a bit staunch with things. I'm in wiggle mode right now. Right now, I'm going to give this 3 and a half overbearing parents.

I think we can all agree that the big thing that resonates through this movie in time are the dangers of repression and repeated trauma, generational at that. So thank you for listening to me go on and on. Right now, again, 3 and a half overbearing parents for the virgin suicides. Enjoy your time with Harriet, Rachel, Ben, and special co host, Matt, for the conclusion of Matt's month. Coming.

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Each person, I want you to say a limerick. I have to Google what a limerick is. There once was a man named Joe who decided he loved the snow. He didn't mean cold. He was very bold.

Cocaine. Hello, everybody, and welcome into the Review Review. This is a special episode because I am one of the co hosts of this podcast. My name is Ben. And my fellow co host, Paul Root, is not with us today.

He is taking a sabbatical. I don't know if that's true. He's not here. But we have, he's dead. We have 2 guest hosts with us today, which is the first time we've heard a guest host, which is exciting.

Yay. And they are some previous guests of this podcast. Your favorite people. And they are Matthew Foskett and Rachel Perelle Foskett. It's me.

Hi. Hi. It's it's us. We're here. We're gonna try to guest host.

You have to fill Paul's shoes and they're so big that we needed 2 of you. Yes. They're very, very big shoes and we're going to fill them with things. Normal size. We're off to we're off to a great start.

So it's like a size 11, maybe a 12. We we have one more person here though. Yes. And we have a guest as normal. We have our guest, Harriet Don Felice.

Hi. That's me. And Harriet brought us a movie called The Virgin Suicides. And I can't wait to talk about it with all of you. But before that, Harriet, what have you been up to?

Oh god. What have I been up to, Ben? I work in the entertainment industry. I work at a talent agency, so that takes up about 98% of my time. Time.

Can I give you my headshot? Yeah. Headshots and resumes at the end. Okay. I also, am producing a short right now, which I'm really excited about.

We're slated to shoot in July. It is July now. Wow. Because he got a lot of anxiety. But I'll be acting in that as well.

And mostly just cleaning up after my animals. All 3 of them. All 4 of them, counting my fiance. What can you name your animals and their breeds? Yeah.

So Including fiance. Yeah. Yeah. Fiance is, Irish Catholic tall. Oh.

Yeah. Well, I go first standard. Two cats, Oliver, who I've had he's from Seattle. I've had him for 10 years now. He's a black and white tuxedo.

Rufio This is a house that respects Rufio. Who I got off the streets of Atlanta one day wasn't planning on getting a cat. And Ali is a pit bull mix valley girl, and she's my dog. So that's that's the whole fam, the whole dirty, crusty little fam. We could just make this a pet parents podcast.

Let's do it. I'm down. I'm down. Alright. I have a lot more if you want me to keep going on this.

What I'm doing. You have more? You're talking about your street pets? Yeah. I'm talking about the street pets.

I'm talking about how much I could talk about the pets. Oh, yeah. Yes. I can go on. Yeah.

Mad Rachel, do you wanna talk about your pets, or what have you been up to? We have a dog. It's a schnauzer. It's a mini schnauzer. She's amazing.

She's an angel. She's the best dog in the entire world, and we have a cat. You don't wanna talk about your cat? She's cool. Okay.

Her name is Nora. She's fine. She's fine. Well, other than pets, what have you been up to? Oh.

Go ahead. Okay. Well, Matt and I have decided that it's gonna be our summer. You decided it's gonna be our summer. It's gonna be our summer.

We're gonna get into shape. I'm not feeling great about it. Things are going gonna go well in the future. Maybe not now. Maybe not tomorrow.

Someday. Someday. It's gonna be our summer. Okay. Yeah.

We've been working out and exercising and playing sports just like staying alive. Proud of you. What about you? I just work a lot. I don't know.

Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Matt does work a lot. Matt, pretty much, he is if he's not at work, he is answering emails or phone calls. Just working a lot.

Just working. Just working. Yeah. Yeah. Try let's see if I remember.

I'm a working man. So Matthew does, some themes for us, some music for us. Oh, sick. He also brought us we've done 2 episodes with Matt, which was The Mouse Who Roared or That Roared. The Mouse That Roared.

The Mouse That Roared and Duck, You Suckered. This Nightmare on Elm Street remake erasure will not stand, man. It will not stand. So someone someone told me that they only listen to the episodes when they know the movie movie, which has to make my episodes the least listened to. When he watches them.

But I will tell everyone in the audience, go watch Ducky Sucker or A Fistful of Dynamite because that is an amazing western. Wait till you listen to the podcast. You gotta change your tune. Rachel, we did Too Wong Foo. Thanks for everything.

Julie Newmar. Yes. And we did her? Her? Her?

Her? Her? Her? Her? Her?

She's her? Ellen. Her. Oh, her. She's a really cool thing.

Her. Yeah. Where she puts egg in her mouth and then squeezes it in a spoon. Oh, man egg. Her.

She's right over there. Thank you. You let her in. But what so you tie that up. What?

So what have I been up to? Down, up. This is normally the time where Paul would ask me what I've been up to. Hey, Ben. Yeah.

What do you what do you what have you been up to? Thank you so much for asking. You're welcome. And I just realized in this moment that I actually didn't can a response. So this is a stalling tactic.

I have just celebrated my birthday. Happy birth? Oh my gosh. Happy birthday. Thank you.

Thank you. Chuck E. Cheese. Kind of. Okay.

Actually, I went to a place called Round 1 Arcade in Bowling, which I didn't know existed. Mhmm. It's in Burbank. It's in the mall in the bottom floor. It looked awesome.

And it's just like a giant Dave and Buster's kind of, but I didn't know it existed until I looked it up online. I didn't know it existed. Yeah. Right? How did you find out about it?

I was looking for somewhere to go in Burbank around the movie theater that could accommodate, like, a large group. And That's the best way to friends? Kind of. Yeah. Well, you know, I just like to shotgun invite people.

And if they show up, they show up. If they don't, whatever. Oh, love this for your inner child, Ben. It was so much fun. I had We probably would have showed up.

I had way more fun at the arcade than I had anticipated. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. I was like, this might be stupid. This might be lame.

But it was actually, like, really fun. Did it have a claw machine? It had so many claw machines. Sick. I think it's a Japanese chain.

Okay. And the whole front of the it was almost like they were the slot machines of this child's Vegas. Because there were claw machines, like, 4 like, stacks of them. And I didn't know why, if that's a thing that people, like, seek, they want to go play claw machines. Can you climb into them and then have people try to pull you out?

That's a different that's a different place. That would be adorable though. Yeah. Yeah. Would it?

Human trafficking. Teeny tiny men. Oh, you mean, like, shrink myself like in, like, Mike TV. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Yeah. So that's what I've been up to. Well, happy birthday. Thank you. It was I don't It's gonna be your year, your summer.

Your summer. It feels it feels like it feels pretty good so far. Aw. I'm happy. That's great.

You know why I'm really happy? Why? Because now we're gonna listen to and that's well, we're not going to, but we all know what song is coming next. Harriet, have you been watching anything, Drew? Paul's gonna have a great time.

For the listeners, my eyes just got very wide. Yes. We all just stared at you. Yes. Yes.

I don't know why you're looking at me. So 2 things that I want to make sure I mention here. Number 1 is Shogun. Has anybody been watching it again? I've watched and finished it.

Stunning. I'm heartbroken. I'm eager for more. I'm ready to go. Shogun, I think they got a 2 more season pickup, and I'm so excited for them.

That's exciting. So much money well spent, clearly. And the other thing I saw the other night was Thelma. Have you heard of this movie? June Squibb.

Yes. I wanna see that. No. It's Thelma. Excellent.

It's a basically, like, the I think the log line would be mission impossible for grandmothers. Oh. It's adorable. It was shot in the valley, which I you know, I'm a sucker. And if I can kind of point out where things are, you know, I live in the valley.

If I can point out, like, oh, that's my that's my burger joint, I just get excited about it. And all around, just excellently acted and shot and heartwarming. Just Thelma, 10 out of 10. Is Tom Cruise the main character? He wishes.

He honestly wishes. He might be old enough now. I think he's old enough. He could be for grandmother. Guys Oh, are we watching?

What are we watching? You're host of this podcast right now. We sort of what I don't remember what it's called ever. I think it's called, like, it's not Succession. Severance.

Severance. Severance. Yeah. Really cool. Pretty wild.

Yeah. We do keep falling asleep to it, but we like it. I'm really good at falling asleep to anything. I started watching Trailer Park Boys Okay. Which is a big regret.

Okay. Cool. But you're in it. Oh, we're not. Like, it's only 2 episodes in, and I'm not gonna watch it anymore.

This is a mistake. I respect that, though. There's, like, clips that I've watched that are so funny, but I've never watched it watched. I've never watched it either. And I thought it'd be more like Reno 911 that's just hilarious, and it's not.

It's so hard to watch. There was a time where someone recommended it to me, and I gave it a chance. I was like, oh, I'm this is not something I'm gonna sit down for for now. Happy. It's like watching Cops if there was a storyline, and it was less funny.

Okay. Yeah. Less racist than cops? Probably the same rape. Equal equal amount of racism.

Right? I said rapist. Oh, what about that? That works too, though. Also the same.

Great. Great. Yeah. I'm, ashamed to admit that I have been watching the 3rd season of Bridgerton, and I love it. Why are you ashamed of that?

I don't know. Have you watched it? I have a lot of friends that are really into hey. Jess has watched Jess has watched that season twice already. I really love this.

Twice. She is. Yeah. It's the first season, you're like, okay. Cool.

The second season, you're like, okay. This is a soap, like, this is, like, this is fun and silly. And then the 3rd season, the 2 actors that play the main love interest are so interesting to watch, and it's kind of watching how Rhymes has created this universe. It's been pretty amazing. Like, you've by the 3rd season, you realized you got kinda tricked into breaking down sort of social norms that you didn't realize that you had.

And I know this is very deep for a very silly, potentially show, but it's just very, very cool. And these 2 actors are very, very good. I just love watching. My favorite type of acting is watching people's reactions when when they're on screen. And the 2 actors are most of the dialogue is in what they're not saying, which is very fun to watch.

And I'm just I'm just eating it all up. I just love it. I just think it's just so much fun. And, You shouldn't feel shame. That's me coming out the closet with Richard in it.

I I am someone who doesn't believe in the term guilty pleasures. Oh, thank you. Because I believe if you receive pleasure from something, then you shouldn't feel guilt about it. Yeah. I love that.

I watch football. Murder. Oh, I'm sorry. No. You know what I mean?

Like oh, yeah. Murder. Yeah. Murders. I feel the same way.

I just the opposite. I just feel like we should always feel guilty about everything we do. What he tells me. Shame everywhere. Just so Did you grow up Catholic?

Worse? Oh, worse. Different? No way. Yes.

Yeah. Football. You like football? Well, yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, like like, you know, there's so so much about that to feel guilty about in watching.

And so, like, I just am someone who thinks, like, if you get pleasure from something, just don't feel guilt about it. Just enjoy it. I love that. I love that. And they have some great actors too.

She's from Derry Girls, and I loved Derry Girls. I love her in Derry Girls. Yes. I just love that. That's a show that people in England, like, watch religiously.

Right? Yeah. Well, it's an Irish show. Okay. And I think they're, like, Northern Ireland in the nineties.

It's just it's perfect. And it's, I think, 3 seasons, and there's just so much comedy baked into these young girls. And Nicola, I her last name is Coghlan? Coghlan? Yes.

Yes. She's just the funniest little bean in it and just yes. Absolutely. 10 out of 10. Recommend.

You would love that one. She's a treasure of a human being too. I just I think I'm getting obsessed with the interviews that she's in. I just watched the interviews of her, and she's the delight of a human being. Well, I went to the movie theater, and I saw a movie called A Quiet Place Day 1.

Oh, Ben, I have to say Yeah. We're being bad hosts. Ben, what are you watching? Thank you for asking. Yeah.

I saw A Quiet Place Day 1. Wondering why you you were telling us what you were watching. We're still in that segment. We're still there. Yeah.

I'm just trying to hop right on I'm feeling it. To the train. And I gonna get a hop on. I thoroughly enjoyed that. So much.

I thought I thought maybe it being a prequel and it not having, Krasinski at the helm because I like those movies. I think that he does a really good job with them. It's a fun world and it's like Emily Blunt's really fun to watch. So I was a little worried, but it's also hey. Did you guys see Pig?

Michael Sabosky who directed wrote and direct Pig, he directed this one and he co wrote it with John Krasinski. Pig is, the Oregon film. It was filmed in Oregon. It was all filmed in Portland with Nicolas Cage. In that film.

Yeah. Oh, the truffle hunt. Truffle pig. Yes. With Cage.

Yeah. Yes. And I liked that movie a lot. Yeah. And so I was really interested to see what he does with this.

And he doesn't disappoint. It is a really strong story. And Lupita, I would watch read a phone book. And so Oh, yeah. Love her.

I really, really enjoyed it. Joseph Quinn, also very good. And it's about a cat, which It's about a cat? I don't wanna give away too much more, but the cat has a very large role in the movie. Yeah.

You may have just sold it to me. Yeah. That's what I saw. Oh, that's cool. I was really nervous.

I haven't seen any of the films, but I thought it was really great, storytelling or conflict inducing to basically, like, in the first two films, they, like, include a baby. And if you need to be quiet all the time, like Mhmm. Let's just put a baby in the mix. Yeah. And then for the, prequel, I thought that was brilliant.

Like, wait. Just watching the preview like, there's a she's holding a cat. There's cats gonna make noise like Matt burping just now. Sorry, Paul. You're not sorry.

No. No. Next time burp louder into the microphone. It's gonna get worse. I did have to look it up beforehand.

I went to does the dog dye.com, and there's a scroll down where you can pick the cat and What's the thing? And look up the movie. Okay. Because I needed to not have a triggering experience. So we can spoil it right now.

Yes. That's actually why I would go see it too because I don't I didn't wanna see it with the cat. Yeah. My cat cat lives. Does the dog dye dot com as a website?

It really is. Yeah. Wow. It's important. That's very useful.

It is. Somebody's doing Lord's work with Dot. Yeah. Yeah. Because, particularly for me, I'm like, I can't watch a whole movie if I'm worried about that cat that day.

Can you look up John Wick? You probably could, and it will tell you the dog dies. Spoilers. Oh, wow. For real.

No. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

Wait. I thought it was a website that actually told you if the animal died. I've never actually told that that the dog died. No. Like, in the story.

Not It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. No. I thought it was, like, an animal abuse thing.

It was, like, a PETA website. Like like, does it actually kill the animal? Oh, like Milo and Otis? Yeah. Nobody in movies now kill the animal that they're working with.

That would be that would be, like, national news. They're really not supposed to be? We're gonna get to some facts. Archaeology is the search for facts. Wolfman's got gnawed.

Matt, could you please read some facts? I'll see what I can do. Great. The Virgin Suicides, American sorry. I'm gonna mess it up.

Dope. Zoetrope. Yep. Of course. Do you know why it's of course?

No. Do you know who Sofia Coppola's father is? Yes. Okay. So John?

No. Ugh. Eternity pictures, Paramount, r 1999. 1 hour 37 minutes. Budget, 9,000,000.

Adjusted, $16,400,000. Opening weekend, April 23, 2000, $235,000 US, $428,000 adjusted. Final gross, North American was $4,900,000, 8,900,000 adjusted. Final gross in Italy, 10,400,000 with 18,900,000 adjusted. So it didn't do great.

No. It was a flop. Yeah. Much better in Europe than it did in. Yeah.

That makes sense. Standing ovation at, hey. Can. Yes. I can, actually.

I never know how to say that. I know. Thank you. Other releases of this date, u 571. Oh.

That's Oh, yeah. That's fine. That's great. U 571, love and basketball and gossip. Weekend top 5 was u 571, love and basketball, rules of engagement, 28 days, Keeping the Faith, top films this year, domestically, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Mission Impossible 2, Gladiator, The Perfect Storm, and Meet the Parents.

They're making another gladiator. They just released those images today. They look great. I'm excited. Better than the new twister?

Yes. Twisters? I'm excited for that too. I am too. Because there's 2 now.

There's a thing versus people. There's a thing at the AMC where you can go stand in it, and it'll blow you around like a twister. Oh, yeah. We try to do that with Midway. Like like like a twister or, like, it blows?

It blows you. But, like Like a twister. They used to have that at Universal Studios. But it doesn't suck. You just Oh, the twister experience.

Yeah. The twister experience. But it's, like, realistic twisting or is it just, like, a It's just a powerful fan. This this one at AMC was just, like, a strong fan. Is the, like, is the, like, the pitch for Twisters.

Like, Twisters. Twice the damage. I imagine it's just like Too twisty. James Cameron with aliens where it's just twister dollar sign. Yes.

Oh, probably. Twisters. Yeah. Is Glenn Powell taking off his shirt? I I was gonna say, then they just drew a picture of a 6 pack and we're like twister dollar sign 6 pack?

And it was like, money. I'm in. It blew up my money. It blew up my money. It blew up my money.

It blew up my money. It blew up my money. Like I was saying. I'm sorry. Other film, 2000.

Erin Brockovich. Good film. The Patriot. My favorite. You're my child.

You're my child. My child. You're my child. Chicken Run. You're my child.

Unbreakable. Great. Miss Congeniality. Mhmm. Bounce and frequency.

Litterbox, it had dotdot. Yeah. Well, we went on a deep dive on frequency on an episode. I've seen frequency. Yeah.

Is it on the is it on the podcast? No. Would it be? We did a Dennis Quaid movie, and it just came up to talk about the movie frequency. Because it had Dennis Quaid and Jim Cavazeal, who are both little right wing little nutty.

Oh, speaking of, the Patreon. You're my type. Yeah. Seriously. And Chicken Run.

Oh, so, 2000 was a great year for Antisemites? Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Oh, that's nice.

Cut that out. Cutter box average I'll cut it out. No. You can't see this. Oh.

Yeah. I'm doing the Dave Coulier from Cut it out. Full house. Letterbox average 3.8. Follow me on Letterbox at run bmc and Paul me at Paul runs badly.

Paul acts badly. You run bad. Paul's Paul's pants run fine, but Paul acts badly. On litterbox. I've never seen him run.

Paul. We have. Like, full speed? Yeah. Like, Tom Cruise style?

It's not well, yeah. No. Is it badly? Is it badly? I saw him shuffle towards a golf ball today, but it wasn't a run.

Paul runs. Paul runs. Paul Blart. Blart? Roger Ebert at the movies.

Ebert up. This is his other I don't understand. Can you read this part? That's a Roper had passed away. So Joyce Kowalik was the The down.

Placement and kinda like how you guys were replacing Paul. That's Joyce. Okay. So we're doing a bad so Joyce is bad. You guys are you were Joyce.

Joyce blew it. You're Kuralic. Got it. I'm Joyce, and I'm down. And, Matt is Ebert, and he was up.

Sure. But, like, doing a bad job. You guys are doing great. R t Which means Rotten Tomatoes. Rotten Tomatoes, 80.

Metacritic, 77. Major awards slash nominations, teen's choice, and then choice actress for Kristen Dunst. Great. Some people involved with this movie. The director is Sofia Coppola.

Lost in translation, Priscilla, the bling ring. Writers Sofia Coppola, somewhere Marie Antoinette, and, Jeffrey Eugenides or Jeff Unides, The Switch. Director of photography was Edward Lachemann. Carol, Far From Heaven, I'm Not There. Music was, I guess, a group called Air and this this is the only film they ever did.

They're French French. Fun fact. Fun, please. Fun fact. While Sofia was, putting this movie together, all she listened to was Air.

And finally, she was like, I just gotta I wonder if they'll do it. I wonder if we can just have air. I loved the music in this movie. It was incredible. I do.

Yeah. And they did. Producers Francis Ford Coppola, The Conversation, Fred Fuchs, The Rainmaker, and Dan Holstead, Swat amongst many others. Rachel. Okay.

So in this film Rachel. Is Kirsten Dunst. She plays Lux. She's known for films like Dick, The Interview with Sam Heyer, Civil War, and many others. Mhmm.

Josh Hartnett, who is known as Tripp in this film is from 30 days of night, 40 days 40 nights, Oppenheimer, and James Wood who plays mister Lisbon. We know him from the classic Videodrome, The Hard Way, and Casino. Speaking of right wing nutjobs. Woo hoo. Kathleen Turner.

Kathleen Turner, the boss. Yeah. She plays missus Lisbon, known for is it Sure. Whatever you say is right. Okay.

Wachowski? Mike Wachowski. Mike Wachowski. That's not what I know her from. I know her from Body Heat, Serial Mom.

Serial Mom fucking rocks. Roger Rabbit, among others. Michael Pare, Adult Tripp. He's known for Streets of Fire. Eddie and the Cruisers, The Lincoln Lawyer.

Scott Glenn, who plays father Moody, is known for oh, he was in Silence of the Lambs. The Keep and Backdraft. And then Danny DeVito is a huge has a huge role in this film. He plays doctor Horniker, and he's known for War of the Roses with Kathleen Turner. Mhmm.

Amazing film. The Jewel of the Nile, also Kathleen Turner. Batman Returns, not Kathleen Turner. And then we have AJ Cook, who plays Mary known for Out Cold, Final Destiny Destination 2, and Back Fork. And about 15 seasons of Criminal Minds.

I saw someone it was like a log truck, like a real car accident log truck where it killed someone in a car. Oh, god. And someone posted, like, there is no way a millennial was driving behind that Oh, no. That long track. They were 5 miles back.

Yeah. Harriet. I'm gonna hit you with some fun facts here. Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody.

It's fun fact time. Alicia Silverstone was offered the role of Mary Lisbon but turned it down. Scarlett Johansson was offered a role but found the film too intense. I get it. Yeah.

She starred in Coppola's next film, lost in translation. Greg Sestero or Mark from The Room was considered for Tripp. Oh, hi, Mark. That would have been so bad. He's not a good actor.

So forget about, Well, no. Not a good actor. He's a classic, though. This is based on co writer Jeffrey Eugenie's 1993 debut novel of the same name. Director Sofia Coppola played Kathleen Turner's little sister in Peggy Sue Got Married, which was directed by a producer on this film Sofia's father Francis Ford Coppola this film is part of the Criterion collection and is adorned with the spine number 920 French electronic music duo Air composed the score for this film.

Coppola did not want the hits from the seventies, but rather a consistent soundtrack that suited the theme of the film, which led to Air creating the music. And we've talked about that before, but this soundtrack is always kind of playing in my head. Yeah. It's so cool. Also, it's really weird to me that this is a book written by a dude.

Totally. Also not weird to me, though, but we'll get into it. Actually, yeah. You're right. I also have these thoughts.

Mhmm. Okay. Great. Before we do take a break, today is brought to you by Right Wingnut Jobs. Hey, guys.

Cannot wait for the commercial. We just we just gave Paul a Good luck, Paul. It's your hour. Either a gem or a real a real stinker here. Oh, he's gonna tap into his roots.

I would love it. His, rural Washington roots. If he needs help, you can call me. You mean his Paul roots? Oh, no.

Alright. Well, we're all going home, guys. Anyways, bye. I have a very cruel, mean joke to pull on Harriet. Oh, no.

Alright. I'm ready. What is the log line of this movie? If you were to guess, if you were to pitch this movie, 3 to 6 sentences while on an elevator, pitch this movie as best as you can. Okay.

This movie is set in the seventies where we follow a group of young men who become obsessed with a group of young women and think that they understand what they're going through, and it's so much worse than they imagined. That was pretty damn close. That is. That was, like that's yes. Do you wanna know what the log line is?

Please. Yeah. Okay. This is pretty damn close. That's really good.

I didn't look it up. A group of male best friends become obsessed with 5 mysterious sisters who are sheltered by their strict religious parents in suburban Detroit in the mid 19 seventies. Okay. I think he nailed it. A minus.

Let's go. I have to mention, aforementioned partner Riley Shanahan was on this program before. Yes. He has been he has been here before. And he brought us the movie Dead Poets Society, which ends with somebody committing suicide because of their strict parents.

I was like, I came here to rest assured our house is a happy one. Got it. The mom said the exact same thing now. That's exactly your last words of the song. I'm worried about your pets.

How strict are you on your pet? I'm gonna go outside. Are they They have autonomy. No. You make them burn their records?

We both we talked about this and that we were both we both brought you teenage suicide films. So I'm so sorry. Hey. You know what? I don't mind.

Okay. We're gonna take a break because we have we have to take I got a word. Our right wing nut jobs are they need to They're banging at the door. They really wanna talk to him some stuff happen. James Wood's out there.

Mel Gibson's out there. Dennis Quaid's out there. Steve Bannon went to prison today. Yeah. There you go.

Do I hear the sound of freedom? Yeah. And also Mel Gibson, is that a is that a fever? Oh, goodness. What am I doing?

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No. It was someone else named Mel Gibson. Gail Midsen. Oh, that's right. It was like Giuliani when he did the, speech.

When they went to 4 seasons? Paint just dripping down. It was the best fuck up ever. Yes. That's not real life though.

Right? Is it? Oh, wait. That is Let's talk about some real life. And, first before we talk about our experience with this movie, Harriet, I would like you to pick a card from Cinephile.

And, for those who are new to the podcast, this has an actor's name on it and we are going to name a movie that this actor has been in. Alright. You get the freebie though. Yes. Okay.

And she got a picture. Who's it gonna be? Oh. Oh. Bruce Willis.

Oh. Okay. What's your what's your freebie? My freebie is 12 monkeys. Okay.

And we're gonna go around this way. So I'm gonna go with die hard. That was the one I was gonna do, but that's okay because I'm gonna go with the 6th Sense. Good choice. Thank you.

This isn't really my skill set. I was gonna say this makes sense. It's okay. You got it. Oh, Unbreakable.

Okay. Die hard 2. There's a subtitle. Full title, please. Oh, shit.

Too fast, infuriating. Diehoon. I said forget about it, girl. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Yep. Diehard the sorry. We cannot accept that answer. Judges, it is Diehard 2, Die Harder. Do I mean, that's an awesome title.

Come on, Harriet. I was giving you a note and it was wrong. Were you thinking of Die Hard With Allegiance? Wasn't Fast or Die Hard? And then we have Live Free or Die Hard.

Oh, I should have said that one cause I knew that one. Yeah. Or He was in Friends. Does that count? Yeah.

And, The Fifth Element? Glass. Oh, yeah. Whole 9 yards. Anyway, we don't need to talk about How many movies has he been in?

Like, so many. Yeah. Towards the end of his career too because they were he was, like, doing a lot of, like, b movies. They're remaking one that he was in, with Meryl Streep and Goldie Hawn Oh. Becomes Her.

That's a great one. I loved the movie when I was a kid. Harriet. What what's my punishment? You tell us about your first experience with the virgin suicides and, followed by your most recent.

Okay. Great. So first experience was at a sleepover. Classic. All of my friends were sad girls like me.

You know, I remember watching it and thinking how fucking cool I was and, you know, just, like, really relating to the movie on a teenage girl level. I'm fine, by the way. And then I remember coming home, and I had my mom buy I guess it was the DVD at that point because I just I wanted to have it and I I watched it not pretty regularly but with, like, some consistency for a couple years every 6 months or so I'd be like okay this is my time to really relate and go inward. And now I'm talking about my experience now? Or You can you can talk about how many out of 5 you would have given it back then.

Oh, I would have given it a 5 out of 5. Okay. I I was, like, a die hard, virgin suicide With a vengeance? Girl. Die harder.

Yes. Die a vengeance? Girl. Die harder. Yes.

Die harder. Oh, don't, though. That's what they Don't die. Don't die. Please don't die.

And now your more recent viewing experience in that ranking. Yeah. My new my more recent viewing, I hadn't seen it in years. When you said pick a movie, that was the one that I was like, oh, I haven't seen this in so long, but I remember loving it. Let's go.

Let's try. Let's let's remember how great of a movie this was. It's an alright movie. I think it's, like, a very at least, like, for the time, a very art movie. And for me as a little as a young girl, that was really cool.

Yeah. There's definitely some holes and some, like, issues with the movie. So I would say but I would say, like, a solid 4.2, but that might be some nostalgia, like, dripping in there as well. We we do we do accept nostalgia pull as a grading system. Yeah.

So Okay. Great. My first time watching this movie, I don't remember because I was in the middle of a make out session. Sick. Great movie to make out to.

Kinda like making out to Schindler's List. Classic make out movie, Schindler's List. Yeah. How could you? How could I what?

Yeah. I so I can't speak to that first viewing nor how I felt about it. But I do remember I had Oh, you know how you felt about it. How did you feel? In about the movie?

And 2. At the time. I remember the making out part. K. I probably wasn't as good as Trip Fontaine.

What a dreamboat. Who could have hair like that? You know? He couldn't. It was a wig.

You think that was a wig? Oh, yeah. It probably was. So I watched this yesterday and I kind of went into it with a bit of trepidation. I mean, I knew what the subject matter was.

I guess I just didn't know what to expect fully. And I actually enjoyed it way more than I thought I was going to. I think what I and what I really enjoyed about it was the filmmaking. Mhmm. I think I have a lot what pulls it down for me is the story.

It starts to feel very, I don't know, heavy, but also, like, glorified maybe is the word that it it for me. I I'm reminded of 13 reasons why, if you know that book Interesting. That was made into a series. Mhmm. Anyway, I came away with and, also, you could if you wanted to, you could do rankings other than stars.

You can pick something from the movie if you want. Mhmm. Records. There you go. Records.

You're gonna do 12 virgins. There's no you can't do it out of 12. It was 5 virgins so it it does work. No. Actually, I'm trying to remember what my ranking system was because I had it locked into my skull and it just slipped away.

Was it a Shineheart wig? It was not a Shineheart wig. I don't think that's a Shineheart wig he's wearing. It's not. I can't remember but I will go with 3 and a oh, I remembered it.

3 and a half puka shells. That's pretty cool. I'm pretty sure that's where that came alive. I for sure had one. Me too.

I would have been very attractive to you. I looked awesome. I looked great. I did not, but I think I I thought I did. Everybody looks good in a puka shell.

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Nakuah. Mhmm. Yeah. Okay. Rachel.

Oh. I was gonna say, hey, Matt. You go. Oh. Go ahead.

Okay. It goes in order. I think you guys can still be louder too. Okay. Okay.

We can be louder. We're gonna be close to the mic. And I'm gonna say that when I first watched this, I think I watched it in my garage at home by myself when I was a kid. And it was really interesting watching this yesterday because when you guys first suggested that we watch this movie, my impulse was, like, no, I don't want it. Because when I watched it when I was a kid, it was just everything I already was feeling as an angsty, like, I don't know, however old I was when I watched it, but my emotions were really high.

I was really sad most of the time, and it was just kind of all in my face. And I totally got it, and I was really miserable watching this film when I was little, and I didn't really wanna go back there. But then when I watched it with Matt last night, we kind of mentioned this, how it's interesting. There are certain films that can pull you back nostalgically to something that is kinda like, oh my god. I survived that.

I didn't think I was gonna survive that, and I got through because I had the similar mental feelings as those kids. Not suicidal, but, like, I don't know how I'm gonna survive this. And I totally got where they're going and know how they're feeling and also just, like, rewatching it. So, okay, originally watching it, I've probably given it, like, a 2 or 3, and then rewatching it, 2 or 3 burning record players. And then rewatching it, it's like seeing all the things that I think Sofia did to sort of combat the image of these women with subtle humor and interesting directorial choices made me really like this film, surprisingly so.

Even have a lot of empathy for Kathleen Turner's character that I didn't expect. So I would definitely give this probably, like, a 4.5 burning record players burning burning records. Sorry. No record players were damaged. No record players were damaged in the making of this game.

Can go to does the record player survive.com. There's not a lot of content. No. There's one. It's just basically this movie.

You you made that, website. Right, Matt? It's dotorg. Oh, sorry. Oh, you got it.

My bad. Dotorg. It's dotca. It's a Canadian thing. I'm just it's a way for me to help my taxes a little bit.

You can write that off. Ethics and morals matter. I need to I need my home I'm pumping so much money through this website. I need my home office. I'm gonna write that off for my website, does the record player survive dot org.

Hey, Matt. Yes? What's your what were your original thoughts with this film? Meyer You've been speaking to the mic. My original thoughts for this film started last night when I watched it for the first time.

Okay. I didn't know what it was about other than the, assumption that there were a small group of virgins who die, probably on their own accord, which it turns out is what happened. Yeah. Well named. You could argument you could make the argument that it wasn't their own accord, but yeah.

The one was probably accord. Oh my god. If Paul if you hadn't done it already, there's a there should be a triggering we should have a trigger on this episode. Trigger warning. Trigger warning.

Yes. Trigger warning for this episode. I'm sorry. Someone hangs themselves. I don't know which one because it only shows We're gonna say a lot of things in Levity, but it's all about a movie.

We're not talking about actual suicide. Go on. I didn't know what it was really about. I knew that Sofia Coppola made it, but that's pretty much it. It was, I thought, much better than I expected.

Not in quality, more in, like, storytelling. I thought the storytelling was really, really good. As a 39 year old white man, I felt like I identified with the characters so much in a very strange way. It felt like so Paul and I were talking about the other day, I think we were playing golf, about movies that make us who are our age remember what it was like to be that age. Yeah.

Stranger Things. That's why I rewatch Stranger Things is because I It does it. Yeah. It's a stand by me vibe too, man. It makes you remember what it felt like to be that age, and it even kinda taps into the ways that you still feel like that.

Because you feel so deeply at that age. And I think that's why we're fascinated with stories about high school. The pain is like it's a different kind of pain. Yeah. The sadness is a different kind of sadness.

Most of us probably don't feel like that once we get older. It's a different kind of yeah. You're right. It's like So claustrophobic. More existential now.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know where to put those emotions now Yeah. Rather than just all of them bottled up in a body that isn't fully grown yet.

Yeah. And you don't know how to talk about it. You don't know any it's just feelings. Mhmm. And it does that very, very well.

Feelings. Mhmm. And it does that very, very well. Yeah. Rachel kept looking at me and saying, why are you laughing?

I thought that there was humor. And there was. It's challenging humor. Yeah. It's it's not like She's purposeful with it.

Yeah. Yeah. It gives it a break. It gives it a little bit of levity in the heaviness. I was surprised how much I liked it.

If I had just read the premise and said, is this something for me? I probably wouldn't have watched it. But, I think your ranking? 3 Wes Anderson films. Oh, yeah.

Okay. And there's a connection right there because, uh-oh. I paused it immediately, and I said, this is a Wes Anderson film. Yeah. He did.

He was like, this is Wes Anderson. Well, it's funny that we're doing Sofia Coppola because last time we did Her, which is, blah blah blah blah blah. Her x. Her? Yeah.

Hers her ex. Why can't we think of his name? Spike Jones. Spike Jones. Yeah.

Her? We talked about her. They had both gotten her. Her, egg? Her?

Oh, her. Her? Her? Her. Yeah.

Yeah. You just let her in. And? Her. She's right there.

That She's the building. Her and Lawson translation are their both of their responses to their divorce. Mhmm. Oh, lovely. Yeah.

Just the Wes Anderson thing was really interesting because, Sofia Coppola's brother 2 things. So, she talks about, her brother Gio who died in a boating accident, when she was a kid, and that was also a lot of, had a lot of impact in the way she made this film. And and then the other bit, the connection with Wes Anderson Matt, stop burping. I'm sorry. This is serious stuff.

I'm telling you, I didn't do anything. We're talking about serious things. My body doesn't know that. You're still you're still a kid inside, burping away. Eating pizza at the arcade.

Can't control your Drinking soda pop. This is a story about the inner child, and my inner child burps. Okay. Those other things too. Her other brother, which I cannot remember the name of, fun fact, with interview, with Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, that's when he got his break was because Francis Ford Coppola fired all his special effects team and hired his magic and love what is the word?

Magic Enthusiast. Enthusiast son to do all the special effects for Bram Stoker's Dracula. And then his son later basically works with Wes Anderson on all of his films. Oh. That's amazing.

Yeah. All of the technical stuff. I'm so sorry. I don't know that in the first three minutes of watching. The practicals.

He just knew he just saw the signature because Theo and him, you know, they talk. They're brother and sister, so they work. They have the similar she asked him for questions and he has ideas and stuff like that. And so it's very there is, like, a family thread through that. I mean, that family is spread throughout all of Hollywood.

No. It is. We love a practical effect too? Love a practical effect. Well, we should start the movie.

Okay. Cocktail movie. Sacktail movie. And now, our feature presentation. Nothing at all.

Nothing at all. Nothing at all. So from the beginning of this movie when we start, I am immediately drawn to the color grading because I think it's amazing. Yeah. And I think it really sets the tone for the whole movie.

I think that's one of Sofia's greatest strengths as a director is that she understands how something is supposed to look. Like, she just understands color and style. And wind. And wind. She loves wind.

Oh, yeah. If you've seen The Beguiled, it it opens on I think I don't know what the kind of tree overhang is in I mean, they're supposed to be in Virginia. I think it was shot in, like, New Orleans or something, but there's movement in nature that you you can see in the first couple of frames of Virgin Suicides too, and it's just there's just something so evocative about it. Yeah. Yeah.

And they're gonna take out this tree in their front yard. That's kinda like it's set for demolition, which is how the movie kinda starts. And then we're introduced to the narrator, the boys. Rebisi? Gio Giovanni Ribisi?

Giovanni Credit card? You got it. He's a cool actor. Is it a new? Giovanni Ribisi?

Is it Giovanni Ribisi? Yeah. I don't think it is. Is it? Yes.

Your beer's gonna keep saying it though and then Giovanni Ribisi. It's a great name. Ribisi. He's talking about these sisters. The that's kinda how we get introduced to them through the lens of these boys who are so obsessed with them.

Mhmm. I just love it. I love it's a sad thing, but there is somewhat like, there's a humor in in the suicide, and I I'm so curious about it because, like, it's go. 1 And it's just her attempt. He was about to burp.

Oh, good. He was waiting for you to say something really serious and heartfelt, and he was gonna burp on it. And I did her yeah. It's just, like, she has the the wind and the breeze and everything so slow, and then she cuts to the quick. Like, boom.

And breeze and everything so slow, and then she cuts to the quick. Like Right. Boom. Very Yeah. Very sudden imagery too.

Mhmm. I think the audio the music and everything cuts out too. Yeah. It's, like, really hard cut. Yeah.

And we see her in the bathtub. Right? And then the blood on the floor as she's being carried away Mhmm. Which is a great shot. Yeah.

And her mom, like, I thought that I forgot that she didn't die in that moment. And her mom, like, running out with a jacket for her. Oh, yeah. And, like, missing the I was a little confused at that point because I just assumed she was dead, and I was like, what? Yeah.

Me too. I was I was confused as well. And I think that was so telling of the of the mom of just, like, trying her best to help and not being able to. Well, I took that as a modesty thing to Oh. That she was afraid of what that she was wearing and that her clothes were wet, and she needed to cover her.

Yeah. That's religious trauma for me, though. I feel like you could do a deep dive on, like, what trauma the mom has. Yeah. I mean, who's to say?

Because the dad is like a doormat to her. Yeah. Well, I thought that, and then I just realized he was slowly going insane. Yeah. He's, like, talking to the plants.

Yeah. He's not okay. But he's so closed off. Like, he's how old is he in this movie? Woods?

As an actor, how old is he supposed to be? I don't know. Fifties? Late early fifties? Yeah.

I feel like he might be closer to our age. That man is not 39 years old. If he's He might be 43. Which we are not. But that's what I mean.

Like, I think that he might be younger than he looks, like supposed to be, which is just showing how there's no life in him. No. Yeah. He just, like, they they got married super young, and they had kids super young and tried to follow a church super young. Did all the things that they were supposed to be doing to do the right thing, and then that's where they find themselves.

And then don't you just love the bit where the the priest comes in and gives no advice and then no help? And, like, he's like, I'm here to help. I'm here to talk to you girls. I'm here to talk to your mother. I'm here to talk to you, dude.

And he gives he just the one thing that he says is, like, I just want you to know we listed it as an accident. Well, yeah. And the what I think the the party where they're like, you can't go out with boys, but we'll let boys come here. Right. There's it's safe here.

You can keep an eye on things here, but they're not keeping an eye on anything, actually. No. And also, like, I mean, they're kind of and then they they introduce the character who has, I think, has some sort of mental Mhmm. Dis I think he's I don't know what he has, but he's a little slower Mhmm. And they're kind of making fun of him.

But they're kinda acting like they're friends? Yeah. And that's kind of where she pulls away. Cecilia starts to pull away after that. Well, she has a mental health thing happening too, and I think that she maybe sees herself Oh, interesting.

Him too. She's, you know, he's not like the rest of them, and she's not like the rest of them. And she has to she can't even deal with it. She has to go. That's so interesting.

Yeah. I didn't see it that way, but that's interesting. I I feel that because it basically, she's trying, and she's going you're right. She's going through a mental health, crisis. And they're trying to put a Band Aid on it Mhmm.

Because at the time, that's all that they could do. And she recognizes that nobody is able to communicate with her in the way she needs. And then she this boy comes in, and she sees even though these people are being nice and laughing and hugging him, nobody's communicating with him the way that he speaks. They don't speak his language, and they don't speak her language. And she's like, okay.

I'm out. That's so heartbreaking. On the image of, like, taping the bracelets over the loose bandages. Yeah. Let's fix it for you.

That was so strong. Yeah. But, yes, coming back to they're gonna list her and the way she dies is, like, so awful, but they're gonna list it as an accident. Yeah. I thought because when I first watched this this film, I thought that Kathleen Turner was so evil and controlling and abusive.

Like, as a young kid, that's how I felt. And then and then, sorry. I just realized I got closer to the mic. Yep. And then watching it again, especially when the priest comes in and is, like, asking for the mom, and you just see the house, like, half eaten sandwiches on the stairs that are molding and laundry that's not done.

And you're just watching a house that's completely been undone by death. And you he finally he meets the girls, and the girls are just kinda doing their thing in the room. And he doesn't really wanna talk to them, and then he goes to the mother. And he's just like, she's in shock. She's just sitting on her bed in shock.

She doesn't know what she's done. Like, she doesn't know what to do. And he goes, just so you know, it's listed as an accident, so she still gets to go to heaven. Okay. I fixed it.

And then, like, that's it. And you're just like, that's not what this woman needs. You know? But what like, what do you even give somebody at that stage to? It's so I mean, that's obviously not what I need to do.

With the chores. Like, help them, like, function. Like Yeah. Basic steps. Therapy.

Lots of therapy. He was not gonna roll up his sleeves and do the laundry. No. And he's just realizing that this woman is on completely on her own. Yeah.

But they do roll their sleeves to take the fence out. So interesting. Right? So nobody else can kill themselves. Like, that's the choice.

Oh, it must have been the it's the fence's fault. Yeah. Because it was an accident. It's like when I miss a shot in tennis, and I look at my racket, and I'm like, fuck. My racket did that.

It went right through. Yeah. I don't know what happened. It's a crappy racket. If I had a better racket, I would've hit it.

Oh, Brueline. I know it's got the same one. But it's also brilliant storytelling. Mhmm. Yeah.

And it's so visual. It's so stupid from like them deciding as real people, to do that. It's so dumb. Yeah. But it's such an impactful, like, scene to watch them trying to get this fence out.

At first, I thought they were trying to fix the fence because they're like, oh, it's still a little loose. And then you realize what they're trying to do is just pull it out so that Yeah. Someone will just fall on the ground and die. Yeah. I kinda thought they were taken out because it was a reminder.

Mhmm. Yeah. Probably. Was it so hard to take out? You know?

Why what's what is that choice? Why was it so like, they had to get the chain and yank it out with a car. Yeah. Like, why what is the choice there in, like, the script or or, like, the filmmakers? What is that?

Uprooting Foundation. Did you say Paul rooting foundation? Uprooting Uprooting Foundation. Oh. Well, that's how you put a fence in.

You Paul rooting? Big walls and then you lay I think that's I mean sorry. Well, that's someone who's built fences. Go on. Oh, are you you're oh, sorry.

We didn't I didn't know we had a professional here. Do you have a fencer here? I have a fencer. No. It's not we're not called fencers.

I'm sorry. Those are people with swords that poke each other. Got it. Pokey. This this fence also poked somebody.

Okay. So as a people It's hard. Professional. She died at the hands of a fencer. Who's the main character of this movie?

I mean, the obvious is Lux, but she I think she has maybe 2 scenes where she actually speaks. Mhmm. You know? I Yeah. I I guess, actually, the main characters are these boys because they go through the biggest transformation.

Because, like, I think for me, this film is about the way boys see girls. It's not about girls. You know what I mean? Right. Even the logline tells us that.

Right? Exactly. Yeah. So I think that the idea of these girls is so intoxicating to these guys, and we watch these boys just fully obsess over them and never actually get to know them. So I don't know if we can actually say the girls are or any of the girls are the main characters.

Mhmm. But prove me wrong. No. I think I I I didn't have an answer to that, so I think that's that makes sense to me. Yeah.

They're the narrators. They paint the story. It's their perspective. Something that I really appreciate that you said, which actually has me already shifting a little bit in my, ranking is that this is about these boys who are kind of putting these girls on a pedestal Mhmm. In a way that a lot of maybe stories in cinema does did for a long time.

You know, like the, we talked about this in Her. They're they're just there to serve the story. Mhmm. And they're zany, and they're, you know, with garden state or whatever. You know, like, they might have problems, mental health problems, but it's never actually realized.

It's just kinda happening. That's what this is about. But, like, in a way, it's actually commenting on that. And that's so interesting because also what we loved was the reporter, the school, everybody being like, we have to talk about suicide. And it's so heartbreaking because the girls don't wanna they don't wanna be reminded that their sister killed herself.

Right. They wanna go to school. They wanna be able to play out in their front yard. They wanna, like, be able to they wanna be able to live their life. And it's just, like, the adults are all being, like, well, we have to, like, we have to Without having any tools to actually talk about it.

Exactly. Right. Like, they're not actually talking about suicide. This is bad. Yeah.

Don't do it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. This is bad.

We have to talk about how bad this is. And that it was almost comical. I mean, that Matt, you kept laughing. Well, what I laughed the most at was when the news reporter jumps out of the van, and she's trying so hard to get the right shot. And the girls just leave.

Walk away. I want the one in the the girls in the nineties right there. That's the shot. It's so shot. That's the shot.

And I just, like, 1 by 1, just, like, I'll leave. And so she's like, action. Go. And then the cut to the tree being cut down. Yeah.

Yeah. The girls are gonna chain themselves to it or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No. And I think that that it's supported with how it's shot too. Right? Yeah. Because, like, it's super close ups of, like, their lips and their bodies in these really particular ways that you I I'm not a young boy, but, you know, you have to assume young boys are fascinated by these really specific parts of the body of of these young girls that they're that they're lusting after.

And so these shots, these, like, lingering shots with the light hitting them just so really is just supporting that. Yeah. And as a young girl, I feel like I felt very aware of young men looking at me Yeah. And and staring at me. And I don't even know if it was conscious, but I think that that's a part of the reason why I related to this movie so much because they are just on display for us the entire time.

Mhmm. That's really yeah. And the boys are seen as kind of like perverts Yeah. Watching from their window with a telescope. You know?

Like, they're not displayed in a way that's doesn't look great. No. And it was interesting because they would always complain about Luxe's taste in boys. They're like, she never went out with any of the interesting boys like us. She only went out with, like, the guys that would talk, like, about her afterwards or, like, the the dumb guys or the guys that just, like, wanted to get in her pants.

And it was like, yeah. That was all the guys. And also, like, because that's, like and I think Lux being the sort of most, like, like, I guess, can say this, like, the most sexual of the group. Right? That's sort of like her her she she's just a sexual person.

And this is kinda when we start to get introduced to Tripp, who is like the the sick The yeah. Also, peak Josh Hartnett. He's a cutie. He's a cute cute wasn't a wig. It was.

I'm sorry. Josh Hartnett's been popping a lot popping up a lot in my life lately. I just watched the episode of The Bear, new season that Josh Hartnett's in. Oh, I haven't seen it yet. Me neither.

Oh, I'm so excited. Have you seen seen Mozart and the whale? Mhmm. That's my favorite Josh Hartnett movie. He has Asperger's.

Oh. I really liked O back in the day. Oh. I also liked O. O was a good one.

Yeah. Oh. I also sat next to him on a couch at the Oppenheimer Oscar party. Did you hold his hand? No.

I kept trying we Paul cut this. I was, like, sitting there talking You cut it, Paul. To someone over here, and he was sitting, like, on this side of the couch. And I kept trying to tell, like, Jess with my eyes to, like, go talk to him and, like, introduce me because she had met him before on the set. And so I was just, like, trying to, like, get her attention and it never happened.

This happened for me. Too neat. I would have went shimmy. I should go Arm reach with a yawn. Collateral.

Oh, sorry. I didn't see you there, man. What if he did it to you just as you were doing it to him? Like, both of you yawning at the time. And then you're this magic moment.

It's a bit cute right there. We love a Josh. But Tripp Fontaine, what a name. Mhmm. And that was really fit.

Fastest man alive. Tripp Fontaine. Oh, yeah. Man alive. Steve Prefontaine.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And also, isn't the singer in Grease named something Fontaine? The, the beauty school dropout singer? Beauty school dropout.

Go back to high school. He's just a he's an Elvis guy to me. Yeah. But I think his last name okay. I'm gonna look it up because I need to know or else I'm gonna Fontaine, Tripp Fontaine.

Elvis Fontaine. Elvis Fontaine. Grease guy Fontaine. We can move on. Tripp.

I thought that was really interesting too because him leaving her, him ditching her like that. Well, first, they go he he does that really good thing where he asks that conversation he has with the with her dad, I thought was really great. My intentions are honorable. Yeah. But they're not.

And, also, it was really weird because like, a really weird thing for her dad to do where you where Tripp is like, how about I get a bunch of football guys I think there was something keep your other daughters out. I think there was more something more to that where it started to show that was the first time that the dad felt like a human. There was humanity when he was like wait you're on the football team. I was on the football team. I haven't felt alive in a long time.

Yeah. Because we see him trying to connect to the kid several times, like, through science. And it's just not working. Oh, they walk out of the room and he's explaining drift on the plane. Yeah.

Like, whatever. And I think he finally found, like, oh, I could talk to this kid. But he wasn't dumb. That was a No. But that's how it was, like He felt.

Yeah. That's so interesting. I never because I was so focused on the kids and Kathleen Turner. I didn't think about I saw the dad slowly, like, diving into madness, but I didn't think about how, like, that first party, he's like, oh, you guys could you guys like, because I think the kid got some kind of an award for, like, aerodynamics. Yeah.

And so he's like, so you like aerodynamics? Wanna see my plane that I made? Like and the kids are like, no. No. I don't talk to you at all.

He's just kind of a nerd who wants to talk to anybody who might listen about and I think his family doesn't care. The priest, he's trying to talk to the priest is like, so your daughter died. He's like, do you wanna talk about the football game going on right now instead, please? And I think that that's where the that's where it happened with, Tripp was that he was like, wait, I could connect with this kid about football and just for a second feel like it even if it's not real I have a friend. Someone wants to talk to me about something I'm interested in.

Yeah. And he's also gonna be there at the dance. So he's, like, he's chaperoning And, yeah, the chase sequence of, like, who's gonna win to take these girls out with him was great. And then when his and then when they both Tripp and Lux get prom king, queen Yep. Like, the dad tears up.

Yeah. Like, he's just, like, it's working. Like, our we're we're we're a nuclear family, like, and our kids are going to high school, and it's working. I was so it's one of those moments in a movie where, like, when they go to the football field and it's very romantic and they're in the middle of football field and they get their moment, I I I couldn't enjoy it because I was filled with such dread to know I knew something really bad was gonna happen. Yeah.

And so it was like the you know, it's the the the pinnacle of her happiness or for that moment. And then to discover when we see the flash forward of Tripp in a some sort of facility Like, I'm a rehab Rehab? Of some kind. Because he had group therapy or something. Yeah.

Yeah. And to admit that he he just, like, left her. Yeah. No reason. He wanted her until he got her, and then he didn't want her anymore.

And yeah. I mean, it feels real. Yeah. And they agreed with him as well too. That scene before, he asks her out, and they're in the they're watching some kind of film or something, and he sits next to her.

And you're you know, the arms are, like, kind of touching. Yeah. It just felt so organic. Mhmm. Yeah.

It's like, I've seen that before. Yeah. Because it worked. We've seen this in high school. We've felt this.

We've done this with boys and girls. And we also felt that other bit. Yeah. Why is he ghosting me? The letdown.

I'm like, what a what a letdown. Yeah. And then she has to take the cab home. Yeah. I hope that cabbie got paid.

Oh, yeah. I didn't see her pay him. I didn't see her pay him either. No. That was interesting.

I kept expecting the dad to, like, keep walking and then Yeah. Didn't. But now they're on, like, total absolute lockdown. She she she broke any sort of potential freedom. They were starting to crack.

All of them. For all of them. Yeah. Which is interesting too. Why is it if it's 1, it's all?

You know, they almost don't have separate identities at the house. Yeah. You know, it's it's okay. Well, Lux did this, so everybody is punished. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like when they were being like, well, which which football player are each of us gonna go out with? And they're just like, they're just gonna raffle us off. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

We don't matter. But what's interesting is, like, her sisters didn't there wasn't, like, shame from her sisters to her. No. They all lived there. They understood.

Mhmm. Yeah. Like, if they had that same option, they probably They were, like, a little trepidatious in the car. Like, beforehand, she was smoking pot, and one of them's like, oh, dad's gonna smell it on you. Don't do so there's, like, some maybe don't do this, but also they're curious as well.

Mhmm. Like, this when they go under the the stage and the other sister goes into the stage and she started trying to drink it, but she doesn't like to drink. Peach schnapps. Who doesn't like peach schnapps? Come on.

It doesn't carry soon. Oh. And then she tries to kiss the boy, and just, like, Tripp and Lux are just, like, making out, and it's great and amazing, and they're having so much fun. And then she tries to kiss the boy, and it's obviously a bad first kiss. And she just, like, wipes her face off Oh my god.

And she just leaves. And she was like, ah, feel that. I wonder at any moment in my make out session while watching this movie if I looked up and was like, ah, I can never make out like that. Dang. They had some ferocious make outs in this movie.

Aggressive. Well, then Lux is, like, just hooking up with guys on the roof. Yeah. Yeah. I have so many questions about, like, how well they're watched when they're home because it doesn't seem to be very good.

Or how she met them. Like, one was a checkout guy. Well, one was a burger guy. Yeah. So I'm like, are they allowed to go and get food?

Like, are they allowed She gives the guy her number when she picks up the food when, like, they'd get food delivery, and she's like, meet me on my roof in 5 minutes. Bring some burgers. Bring some burgers. I think she's so lonely. It's just it's it makes me sad for her.

I feel for Lux. Mhmm. But I also get it in a way. Like, she's like, okay. You know, we're it's it's almost like the pinnacle for her.

She needs somebody else to realize that she's she exists. Mhmm. And she asks one of them, like, is is what we did wrong or dirty? It's like one of those Mhmm. Phrases.

And she hopes it's not. And she's being really authentic. She's like, am I gross? Or am I is that am I pretty? Do you love me?

Or something like that. Do you like me? And the guy, when he's telling the story, back to the boys, he's like, and I know. You can't you you just need to leave them hanging. You can't answer questions like that with women.

And you're like, oh. Tell her you love her. Please don't don't do that. And then these boys, like, let's go back to the main characters Yes. Because they're watching all of this.

And they're still, like, fantasizing about the girls. Yeah. And I think they they they believe that they have a a true possible future with them. Right. Right?

Especially when they start communicating with them. And there's a lot of, like, thoughts about daydreaming in this movie Oh, yeah. Too, where there's, like, a there's almost an alternate reality happening for these boys where they kind of do think they're that something's happening. And and with the girls too, they're they're big daydreamers as well, and they talk about how girls are daydreaming. And that's what makes them women.

Or or they are women, and they don't they're just not in the bodies of women yet, which is just so crazy because they're definitely little girls still. Yeah. And they're they're just putting so much on these girls. Yeah. But yeah.

Especially, like, at that pinnacle scene when they go to the house and there's you know, you see them in the car and you're like, oh my god. They got away. They're they're going somewhere. This is awesome and then you're back to reality. Yeah I like that editing where they duck you sucker you know when it's a flashback.

Right. Right? Because I love that they don't do that. You just think oh wow they did it. Oh they're back.

Yeah. Like They don't give you she doesn't give you too much. That was I'm gonna cut you off, I'm sorry. No just it's not spoon fed at all. You're like just on board, you're following the story, you're like oh I thought they got away.

Yeah. There's so much of that. I think this is her first this is Sofia Coppola's first feature film. That's crazy. And she did so much brilliant storytelling in the edit.

And that's, like, an example. She's just like, they got away. They got away. Nope. No.

And it almost fills you with more dread Yeah. Too because you you're back to it, and you're like, oh my god. They're not gonna get away. Having not seen it before, you assume it's not happy. Yeah.

Right? That's the end. You're not expecting a happy ending. But that happens, and you're like, woah. Well, maybe they maybe there's a twist.

I mean twist. I guess I have a question. I don't have I I have an idea, but I don't have a complete answer. What what what do you think the girls are want to achieve by inviting the boys over at that moment that they've decided? Because the decision happens off screen.

And so I'm curious what their motivations are, I guess, behind having the boys be the ones that discover them. I wonder if it's a witness because I wonder if the decision has already been made because in my head, there's some kind of pact. You know? Not it it I don't think it's a coincidence that all 4 of them No. I agree.

Their own lives that night. And so the boys' narrator, later, one of them was already gone by the time we'd gotten there. So if that's true, did they just want someone to find them that wasn't their parents? Maybe. That feels a little evil.

It is a little evil. Like, it's a little malicious in a weird way. My my take was that maybe they wanted to sort of like they knew these boys were watching them, and it was more of like, you know, you're romanticizing us. You're you're glorifying our our pain. And so in some way, it might be a little malicious.

Oh, I kinda love that, though. I like that take way more. Like, there's not much you can do, but that's, like, a little a little jab, like, a little, like Yeah. You're watching us? Watch this.

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody is kind of obsessed with us. And, like, the boys took their sister's journal. They had her journal.

Yeah. And they watch, her be intimate with a boy at night. And Yeah. They They're perverts. They're perverts.

And they're but they also did something kinda sweet where they knew that, they don't get out sweet where they knew that, they don't get out anymore. They knew and so they did that phone call with them, and they just all listened to music together for a really long time. Mhmm. And so on one hand, it is kind of like, do you really wanna see what this is like for us? We will we will show you.

Yeah. We will show you this. We will show you what this is like. We will show you this horror of our lives. And I also Matt and I are wondering, what was was it they they they did Morse code with them to connect with them, and it was like, help me, Bobo.

Like, the guys couldn't understand or decode what it meant. You guys remember that part? Yes. I do remember what you're talking about. Do you have an idea of what it what it was?

I think that's a line from something. I think it's a line from a song Interesting. Or a movie? I don't know. Something seventies related, I bet.

Oh, that's really I wanna figure that out. Just Google it. Google it. Yeah. Also, to answer my last question, there was nothing Fontaine in Grease at all.

Oh. It was Frankie Avalon, and he played just teen angel. So I don't know where I got that idea. I put I just made it in my head. Cut out everything from now to back then?

Yep. Yeah. Okay. We got it. Okay.

Yeah. Star Wars. Well, we didn't really have anything good going. What did you guys think of that movie? It was help me Bobo.

Help me it was like help me Bobo or help us Bobo or Isn't Bobo the character in the mouse that roared? Oh, maybe I'm getting too rude. No. Hey. There's nothing in here that would give me any idea of what that means.

So then it goes to the, they go to the weird party that's coming out. Yeah. I forgot that the that's something that was weird is I forgot this like, the the movie kept going. Entirely unnecessary. And the narration gets a little victim blaming.

The weird thing that I felt like, the weird party where, like, there was a horrible smell, so they all wore gas masks. They Yeah. Yeah. It was a debutante. To me, it felt like from the beginning, there was this visual idea that she had of having a party, and it would be, like, weird and dark.

And then that's kind of how she fitted into the puzzle. Yeah. We could have done without that. I thought that. There was a line, though, that I think I, that I think is what she was trying to say with that where because she said the way that the reason that the smell happened was something about, like, something had, like, released into the water sis into the water?

Like, the the Yeah. Yeah. The it was the, the Boggs Mhmm. Had like, a bacteria had, like, grown, and so, like, it bloomed in. And so then the entire town just smelled like poo.

So then it was like an analogy for To me them and unhappiness. What I was taking away was, like, it was it was, like, Cecilia released this bacteria into the family and then it spread. And then it kills everyone. Well and that's with the trees too because they want to take down this tree that they're saying it's gonna die. And this their the whole family is like, well, it's not dead yet.

And they're saying, no. It's going to die and it's going to spread. So we need to get rid of this tree and before it's too late. And then, you know, one of the ending shots that we have is a bunch of stumps throughout that neighborhood. Mhmm.

So they didn't get rid of it in time. Yeah. Yeah. So I think similarly, like, it spread. Yeah.

Exactly. Regardless, like, that's not what or they like, the the the message is just like, that's not how you deal with this. Right. Like, the way that we're dealing with this isn't solving the problem. Right.

You can't just keep cutting the trees down. It's still gonna spread. Mhmm. Interesting. But it was a mom at the end being like, well, I know that we did the right thing.

There's nothing we could do. Mhmm. Like, we Right. We we were good parents. I love my children.

Yeah. And she did. And also, if they all kill themselves, you have to look inward. We do need to think about it. Yeah.

No. That party was was bizarre. I Yeah. Yeah. No.

Do you have I loved it. Matt, I remember, like, Matt, I was just, like, I was watching it. I was, like, Anne, pause. This is bullshit. Like, this is really stupid.

I hate this. This is, like, it's, like, they, like, thought of this at the you were like, they thought of this at the beginning of the film, and he just said this. So we can edit this out, or I can just Well, I mean, I I like the visualization of it. I think it just felt like it came in the, like, 3rd act when the story was over. Mhmm.

And it just it felt like it almost like it kind of felt I liked it, and I don't know how if I'm going to be able to articulate exactly what it was that I liked about it. What I did like about it was everything was peripheral to these girls. When you just asked or you asked a little bit about, go, Ben, who are the main characters? And we thought, oh, the girls, but then we realized that they weren't the main characters story. They were 2 dimensional characters that we never actually got to know.

And then the girls die, and we are left with the main characters. And the main characters come out, and it's basically like they're protecting themselves from the the toxic smell. Mhmm. And they're protecting themselves from the the toxic smell. And they're, like, making it pretty, but, like, you know, oh, we have gas masks.

And and then the the guy gets drunk, and he jumps into a pool. And he's just like, it's teenage angst. I just have so much drama in me or whatever he says. And it's like everybody's, like, ability to move on seems so distorted and, like, convoluted and messed up from what's actually happening. And it just felt, like, so over the top.

What I do is I I just try to take my hat, and I turn it around, and it's like a switch. That that I I kinda liked how ridiculous they all looked. I liked it was like a joke I see what you're saying. Actors. Yeah.

It was like the gas masks that they're wearing to protect themselves from the stupid smell so they could they could have their party and talk about and make fun of the kids that had killed themselves, like, were bedazzled. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like that's how people move on from this.

That's not right. And so that we should laugh at them, and that should stick out like a sore thumb. Like, I I I like that. Yeah. I like that they all looked stupid.

Those people didn't really change from the tragedy. No. It didn't alter them at all. No. Even if Pleasantville, like, just Totally.

Under the rug and pretend like everything's the same. Great movie. Well, friends, I think we're at the end of the movie. Do you agree? Yes.

You wanna start from the top again? Alright. Okay. So this film is about Love, pause. Enter something here.

I brought the ball here. I got the 711. I got the photo mat here. Christ. JCPenney is coming here because of me.

Paul and Paul entered something. Coming to a decision. Harriet, as the guest, and then you went first, you get to share if your ranking has changed at all since our conversation, and we'll go around and see if any of us our opinions have changed. Honestly, I think I, yeah, I think I'm gonna go a little bit higher. I think I'm gonna go, like, a 4.5.

Nice. I think that this movie is bizarre, and I think it still weirdly holds up, but I think it's there's a lot of layers there. And I think maybe at first glance, it is just a bummer. Sure. But I think there's a lot more there.

Yeah. 4.5. Yeah. I I, again, I liked it way more than I thought I was going to, and then you all brought up some really great points. And I think the one that really first off, it being her first feature film is just a feat on its own.

Oh, is it? And I think it's one of her better of her films, at least for me. I also love and I didn't know why I don't know why I put this together before, but I love that this is commenting on the idea of of them being 2 dimensional characters that we don't know anything about them. That these boys are obsessed with them. They're putting them on a pedestal, and ultimately, you know, they're in so much pain.

So I think I'm gonna go up I'm gonna go up to a 4 puka shells. Sky. I highly recommend this movie for folks who haven't seen it. Yeah. Yeah.

This is a hard first watch for me. And the second watch, I mean, I'm very obsessed with the entire Coppola family. I think they're I think they're just the most interesting family that I've ever ever witnessed. Like, their mother is an amazing, brilliant artist, and and Frances is amazing, brilliant artist. And that it, like, that it passed into their like, just like that ability to understand how a picture frame is going to, like, push a story forward and how he can manipulate it.

Those sudden takes, the color tone, the the sound, the way they dressed, everything was so move moving the story in a way that was had such a signature Sofia Coppola feel to it before she we even knew she had a signature style. Mhmm. And I just I know, you know, she operates in a vacuum, but at the same time, I'm not sure if it's necessarily, like, good or bad that she is this very particular type of person and sees the world in a very particular type of way. I think from an artist's perspective, that is very interesting and refreshing to suddenly be aware of. I think I've always kind of not really I think my first viewing of s Sofia Coppola film was, like, lost in translation.

And I'll have to rewatch that one because I I didn't vibe with it. But Matt and I, we always watch a very merry Christmas, every year. It just sings to us, and it just she has such a beautiful artistic eye for for film. And I so I would give it, like, probably an I would stay the same, like, 4.5 burnt records. Great.

Bring us home, Matt. Okay. I think the one thing we didn't really talk about was the religious trauma. Oh, yeah. The the tragedy of growing up like that.

It's it's very prevalent in the film, but I don't maybe we all just, accepted it and didn't need to talk about it. What's I think is interesting about it though is that it's it's it's prevalent, but it's just kind of like this permanent existence. Yeah. It's, It's not demonized. It's not demonized.

It's more of, like, just the water they're swimming in. Yeah. It's just accepting this is what it's like. Metaphor. Yeah.

But it's so tragic. Yeah. I think there's so much in this movie to identify with, to cry from, to accept, to argue with. I think it's a really great movie. I'm gonna say 4.0 stars.

Why stars? And why did you go stars? Oh, it's because when, when we die, we we go into the air, air and then, we turn into little stars and then little, little planets start to grow and they come around us and they circle around us, then we become a sun. And then eventually, we turn into a a death star. And then Star Wars.

Uh-huh. And then we destroy all the planets. Oh, no. I didn't know you I didn't know you were Mormon. Yeah.

So is George Lucas. I have, toured the temple a few times Oh. In Salt Lake City. So, He knows what he's talking about. Yes.

Harriet, thank you so much for joining us Thank you for having me. This was fun. For this very special episode. Thanks for forcing us to watch this film again. I would not I don't know if I'd ever watch this film again, and I'm so glad that I did.

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Did you think I would forget to tell you my feelings? Absolutely not. How could I ever? I care too much. I just finished editing this episode.

I have a few thoughts. The color correction and the filtering and some of the colors in this movie are brought up. And I agree with some of the things that some people had said about the green hue of the toxic people being toxic, having toxic attitudes. And that's the other thing is sometimes it does feel a bit heavy handed, but I also feel like this is from the perspective of people that really understand that life is pretty heavy handed and feel a lot of that. I guess that's what I kinda tried to tap into was what did I feel like in the seventies when I was a teenager.

I did my best. And also, I was relieved to hear that other people thought this movie is funny. That was really good to hear. So, yes, I also wondered who is the main character here. And I guess maybe it is the it is Giovanni Ribisi.

Is it the Giovanni Ribisi character? The narrator, I guess, because that's who I'm experiencing this through, and I kind of like the narration. It's got a very experimental feel to it, and that I really enjoy. I wanna talk about Cecilia or baby Jenny from Forrest Gump. Help me out, listeners.

She believes that she understands the pointlessness and hopelessness of not only the human existence, but, you know, how she sees existence in general and nature and everything else is being destroyed by humanity and everything is dying and dies and nothing is sacred and she's lonely and is alone and she has no interest in participating in the human experiment anymore. And a lot of that is based on her mom keeping her there and making all of them live vicariously through magazines and phone calls and stories with other people at school where they're still pretty insular, but no one ever faces Cecilia's death head on outside of, I guess, it's the fence's fault. Gotta get rid of this fence. I also the the James Woods performance of just kind of being wallpaper and just wanting to engage with anyone about anything, he's uninteresting and uncharismatic, which he's unlikable. It's it's like he doesn't exist a lot of the movie, and kudos to that performance.

He and Kathleen Turner are both so great in this. And this clear it's just even just the energy and the body language of her performance, the the clear obsessive need to control and deny. And so much of this is just done via command. I find myself wanting to see a movie based on the parents from their side. I wanna know a lot more about that mom, maybe them being younger.

Is there a a pre virgin? A I don't know. I don't know how to make a joke out of that, really. These can be the pitfalls of dodging accountability as a parent, I assume. Refusal to change or evolve or relate or empathize or understand as an adult.

I I'm fucking nobody. This is armchair quarterback shit. Just the dangers of repression and control, man. Like, nothing can nothing gold can stay. All that said, I am changing my rating system to 3 and a half Bobo serial moms.

I do agree. I I'm at the 3a half, but I do agree that maybe the Saul is avoided if there is not the serial mom if at all. Also remember, if you need help, if you need someone to talk to, if you're in a position similar to the virgin characters in this film, and if you're located in the United States, the number is 988. If you are in California, but you have an error code for Indiana, just hang tight. Best you can.

Easier said than done. They'll get you to the right person. Enjoy the guest, David Maguire, and his choice. Our first movie, we're transitioning into soupy soup season, spooky style. Welcome to spooky season y'all.

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