When Harry Met Sally / Mid Central Montana West Colorado Northern PacifiCore (Guest: Kimbo)

Join us, and our very too cool guest "Kimbo," "Kimbley," "Kimbodini," for a celebration of the romcom with the ultimate example "When Harry Met Sally," (D. Reiner 1989). We pontificate over the politics of friendship, the "single serving friend," sons of former Presidents, and whether of not "this guy *uc*s." We're cool. You get it. Call your favorite pal on the split screen video phone, and snuggle in for your first "You Choose the Review," poll winner of 2025!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

By that, I mean recording. By that, I mean, I I sleep with my shirt off, but no pants. Or no, my shirt on, no pants. It's like Pooh Bear. Yeah.

Pooh Bear. And a little hat. And a little hat. And a little sailor's hat. A stupid, shitty, little hat.

It's not stupid. It's kind of a stupid hat. Bob Hoskins is in it. Danny DeVito is in it. Of course.

World sexiest man. World sexiest men's. Hey, everyone. Welcome. It's the review review.

Yeah. Oh, our guest looks mortified. But hey, we're back. It's 2025. Hopefully, things are sounding as amazing on your end as they are on ours as we have a bunch of new equipment here.

You know, we're keeping alive in 2025. We're gonna thrive. We're staying alive. Yeah. That's no jive.

We just got we just got canceled. Our forecast. Well, the review review. What is this? A guest brings a film that is 7 years older.

Older, less than 2 hours and 22 minutes, not part of any major franchise. Thank goodness this is not a special episode, but this is a poll episode. Uh-huh. This one won by large ones. Thank you.

Through the podcast Insta of mine. People were very active on the, on the Insta during the holidays. I can only imagine why they would have been so active. Sitting around their family and they'd want to disassociate. That must be what it is.

That is the thing. But, oh, by the way, that was Ben. Oh, I'm Ben. And you should follow us on review x two podcast. And I'm Paul.

And our special guest today, special k, Kimbo. Hi. Kimbo slice. It's me. Okay.

Kimberly is with us and was leading the charge of the poll. Yeah. And it was kinda between The Bodyguard and When Harry met Sally. Our choice for this for this episode. Finally, a rom com, like a real one.

Have we not done any rom coms? Shaun of the Dead. No. You haven't. Shaun of the Dead.

Yeah. You're right. Are you a fan of the pod? I You've you've listened. Long time listener, first time caller.

Exactly. Thank you so much, Ben. Happy to have you. This is great. You.

This is so lovely. First of all, you don't tell people when you're starting. No. No. Same matter.

Can I give you some space? Well, that's interest that's a choice. That's a choice. All of a sudden, they're just like, what are you gonna show? You're on.

I'm still kicking. We find it we find it best to Also listener. The guests. Yeah. Well, also listener, you should know that we are seated at a table and they are on one side, and I am on the other.

And it Yeah. Feels almost like I'm in an episode of Law and Order with these 2 hooligans just standing ready to, I don't know, eviscerate my favorite movie. Ben's Ben's wearing a beanie. I'm wearing a tiny hat with horizontal yeah. We we we have a toss.

Instead of a good cop, bad cop, we have fairly normal cop and whatever the fuck this Ben, no. That chip got oh. Okay. Great. We made it a call impression episode again.

Excellent. Anytime we can do it, chill. It's going to be a good time. Cool party. Alright.

Well, Kimbo's here everybody and brought us When Harry Met Sally. And we're gonna see if it's gonna get ho, please. Eviscerated. Please, please, please. The people brought When Harry Met Sally.

That's really fair. I am just A conduit of the people. Thank you so much. Not man. A Lady of the People.

Yeah. Did you select all 4 movies that were in the the YouTube? I can neither confirm nor deny. I think that's fair. Okay.

Was there a correlation between all 4 movies? Well, okay. Listen. While I am neither confirming nor denying if I chose all 4 movies, I will say that knowing as a longtime fan of the pod, I took grievance with the number of Arnold Schwarzenegger movies that you guys have done. And I just felt that it was only fair as the pod continues to grow in international fame that you diversify your audience and give the people what they want.

And the people want happiness. What do you want? Paul's You're raising your hand. Is raised. Politely.

If we're talking about our international listeners, most of them are in Frankfurt. They want the Schwarzenegger episodes. Because I'm a saint. This is what they want. Apologies.

Take no shit from anyone. I took my stove in in Frankfurt. Anywhere I want. I don't have to find a hideout place like you. So You can imagine that the Schwarzenegger movies aren't my choice.

Right? They weren't mine either. That's the thing. For shit. Shit.

Incredulous. Incredulous. Well, Purdur was not your choice. No. Neither was Last Action Hero.

Neither was Running Man. Running Man was a poll. You encouraged Last Action Hero though. Nations. Well, I mean Here we go.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All respect to Dustin De Leon. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I do think the poll was fair and it it was a diverse selection of films, if you will, that gave opportunity to the massively engaged fan base of the review review pod Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To choose what they want. And then the people spoke.

I love the selection. I was just curious if there was a correlation. But Let's get down to brass tach. Let's let's get down to brass tach. I was doing a really bad Chicago accent.

This episode is brought to you by Southern Dandies. Oh, no. That's an immediate ad skip. I'm so sorry, sponsors. What did I agree to?

Yeah. You know, sponsors. What did I agree to? Yeah. You know, I ask myself that every time I do this podcast.

Oh, I'm so sorry. Yep. Wow. We're all in a similar pocket. Now you get the Illuminati noise.

That's so fun. Hey, Kimbo. Yeah. Code name Kimbo. Yes.

What you been doing? Well, you see, it's the holidays, And I as my fans on Instagram know, I'm a chef. So I've been cooking a lot. Yeah. Let's see.

I am currently midway through making some stuffed shells with beef short rib ragu. Ragu. Oh, yeah. Sounds great. I'll let you know because, again, halfway through.

So What work to come. What's the Those ribs take a while. What's the halfway point? Well, they're not supposed to be done over the course of 2 days. But, when they say to put the some might argue that me checking on the ribs and opening the pot is not wise.

However, I will say that maybe when you take it super literally and it says low on the stove, maybe a little more than low. Gotcha. Do you make the pasta, by hand? No. I got those at Ralph's.

Okay. But I Yes. But I will tell you that 22 shelves are stuffed and ready to go in my refrigerator. I got really excited. I was like, oh, it's almost time.

It sounds fantastic. I'm Thank you so much. More to come. Yeah. I would love to know more.

Late once you You would like to know more? Mhmm. Okay. Well You want to know more? Oh.

I'll keep everyone posted. Oh, excellent. Thank you. Ben. Yeah.

What have you been doing? What have I been doing? I was traveling for the holidays, holidays. Went to Colorado Oh. For Christmas, and, it was fun.

We we had a pretty relaxing, cozy Christmas, not too crazy, in Colorado. But I did notice one thing, which there is such a thing as Colorado core as in, like, how people dress, you know, how they, like, that. Same Patagonia and No. No. No.

No. That's where you're from. No. That's Northwest core. Oh, got it.

There is a difference. There is a difference. Yes. No. Yes.

Yes. I consider myself northwest core. Mhmm. But I think, Colorado core is slightly different. It's almost Montana core.

Yeah. Yeah. That's You know what I'm saying? See? Yeah.

Like Carhartt's Oh. Snowball. Beanie new then? My Carhartt beanie? No.

This is not new. But I have that beanie. You you what? I have it in black. Yeah.

I do like a good Carhartt beanie. They're nice and they're so Good. It's warm. But I love their jackets. I just noticed I just noticed a lot of, like, tan leather.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. It was just one of those things that It's Midwestern core.

It's a little Midwestern core. It's a little combo of Northwest Midwest core Okay. I would say. Fair. Fair.

Because I I do think that there is a there is like something's weird about Denver where it does I I don't know why call I I don't know how Colorado is a blue state if that makes sense. Like every time I go there, I'm like, what? How? But We'll take it. Colleges.

So anyway, it feels republic core. You know, I mean it's a very rural state. Rural core. Rural core. Okay.

It's got it's core. Was there snow for your Christmas? There was not. Oh, that's too bad. There's a warm front in the country and apparently a lot of places didn't get didn't get the the white Christmas.

Last time we were there for Christmas we did which was nice but, no snow. What have I been doing? What have you been doing, Poff? Thank you, special k. You're welcome.

Kim over here. Mhmm. I've been dabbling, like and I mean, like, dollar bets, $5 bets, 50¢ bets, like sports gambling. Yeah. Because Ben knows this as well as almost anyone.

I've kind of, like, started to fade away from sports a little bit, like, over the last several years. I mean, you retired from professional basketball a few years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

When they did the leg and back transplant and left me with the crazy arms. Mhmm. Yeah. It's fright I look like Freddy Krueger in Nightmare on Elm Street. Especially with the shirt on.

You were good back in, like, the forties. I was. I was pretty solid. I gave Jerry West and, that other that guy, you know, the big guy. Mhmm.

Him. Yeah. Took them all down. But, like, baby sports gambling has kind of been fun. I try to stick to my teams and my people.

Not not baby sports. Right. No. Well, they outlawed. Thank you for clarifying that.

It used to be baby sports. Oh, okay. In the forties. Well, yeah. And that was when it was, like, it was to the death.

It was super serious. You took it seriously. Entertainment was serious. They didn't use the word content. No.

No. It was you know, you could have things like that on TV. Yeah. So and you have bet on it. What's happening in those worlds?

It's a better time. It's a more pure time. So but I've been making little tiny sports gambling bets and it's enhanced the enjoyment. Mhmm. And it's like rather than going out and getting a beer somewhere or whatever it is, it's like, oh, I guess I'll just stay home and get high or drink a beer or hang out with a friend at one of his place.

I want to let the audience know when Paul said hang out with a friend, he signaled to nobody. Right. I signaled to myself. Oh. Hey.

The open air. I have 3 super close friends, and you know that. Okay. Me, myself, and I. Oh.

That's a good joke. It has enhanced the enjoyment. Let's say, I I bet $5 on a thing in 1, like, 70. And it's, like, oh, cool. Nice.

Like, where you you don't have much to lose. By the way, what is it? 1800 addict? If you have a problem with gambling, please take it seriously and call. Your family is at stake.

Paul and I partake in in sports gambling together. We do. Oh, I heard you paid him money. I did. Yeah.

Well, actually, I paid him his money, really. Cut. Only half only half of it, though. So really So now my gambling wins have lessened me. At that.

He came out he didn't come out in the black. So maybe don't not. Higher apology, my gambling teacher. Oh, no. No.

Okay. Great. No. Not no. No.

I would not recommend him. He will leave you in the cold. Hey, Kimbo. Yeah. What have you been watching?

Okay. So I've been very stressed about telling you what IMB watch. I I've been watching. I I recently I recently was was asked to try Arrested Development. Mhmm.

And I this might be a hot take, but I think Arrested Development is a man show. And No. That's Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kent. That's a different show. Did somebody say that was Arrested Development?

You mean it's a show for for boys? Yes. I just Boys with toys? Perhaps. Mhmm.

But, like, it I I also acknowledge that a pilot is always the hardest episode It's fine. Sure. So Cute story. Ghosting. But, basically, I've seen about 3 episodes.

I do I am also pretty notorious for napping through things. And so I may have taken a little through some of it. So that's also not helpful. But it's, like, the laughs were not enough for me to think that I'm committed to it yet. I did also watch for something why are you both looking at me like this?

Because we're so intrigued by what you're gonna say. Well, I'm not a boy, so I don't have aggressive development. I'm so sorry. That's okay. I'm gonna be canceled.

I also watched Enigma on Netflix Yeah. Starring Aaron Rodgers. Who? And Who? I I understand.

I understand. Listen. There is a lot about him that I understand your reaction. Right? But, also, like, I think there's something wildly fascinating about how his football like, I don't know how, like, the actual mechanics of how to play football.

Like, I understand the game and I can watch it. Like, when he's talking about percentages of, like, knowing, oh, the likelihood of me making this, like, this play to, like, get more yards, to get the 1st down, or get the touchdown, whatever it might be. Like, I thought that was so fascinating. And, I mean, I'm also fascinated by the cookie parts too. Like, what what's happening here?

I I don't subscribe to his personal endeavors, but, you know, you do you, man. But, you know, like, sitting in the door for 6 days and, like, them telling you that that's how you're gonna go to the Jets, that's that's interesting. Yeah. That's one way to do it. Coach Mhmm.

Do you think, a a ron knows football? Yeah. I mean Yeah. I think I think as a as a quarterback I mean, for let's be real. Like, if we wanna break this down You have a championship.

Aaron Rodgers has a championship. Championship. You guys are as good as each other. He's also a 40 year old. Football.

Well, yes. But I don't do enough Ayahuasca to hang out with him. Give it time. But he's a 40 year old and he blew his Achilles. And he's never gonna play at the same caliber.

It doesn't I don't care. If you're 25 and you blow your Achilles, you can come back. If you're 40, the the healing is not gonna be the same. You're just not and that you're not gonna get the same power off that leg. Never.

He is a smart I'm not saying that he's not a smart quarterback. We all saw him be a smart quarterback for years. He was MVP. All fast. But his career is never gonna be the same.

If he wants to play again, he can, but it's not gonna ever be up to the caliber that he thinks it can be. Until there's, like, cybernetic implant type things, it's like there are physical things that you can't like you were saying, like, when he plants a foot a certain way or needs to get You have to have that. Left on a ball. Yeah. And I wanna back you up in terms of Arrested Development.

Oh, no. Because this is one of my favorite shows. Mine too. Lucille Bluth is one of the goated characters in all of television, in my opinion. I didn't appreciate it.

And that's the thing is, like, I would totally understand if someone's like, I'm not gonna watch a TV show, like, 2 or 3 times to like it. No. It took me about that long because I'm not used to having to watch a sitcom so intently. And if you're a napper, like Woah. I don't think I don't think I I was almost tired of it before I learned to like it or started to feel like I wanted to like it or till it resonated with me.

I don't think it's for everyone though. You know? And I think that like It's very specific. It's very and it it also does not work in this new world of dual screens. No.

It's not a No. You know how we have a world. That's fair. It it doesn't because it requires so much more attention than most. So I can't play my Toon Blast and watch Arrested Development.

You can you can you can do whatever you like. I just think there's a lot a lot that can be missed in that show. But anyway, I think, I respect your opinion. Thank you. That was I do too.

That was kind. Paul, I apologize for my co host and his Outburst. Mickey Mouse gratifying antics. Gratify me. I'm this century's Dennis the Menace.

That is a public domain character. I can say that. Okay. Paul, what have you been watching? Popeye.

Oh, it's my turn? I'm gonna go with the Walter Hill classic that I watched on multiple plane trips, Geronimo and American Legend. I had not seen it for many, many years. Westerns are so difficult, especially with what we're talking about, like, with pacing and dual screen life and, you know, westerns gotta be good. Mhmm.

Ben Mhmm. Western's gotta be real good. Was this a is this a Matthew Foskett approved western? I I don't know, and I don't care. Oh, wow.

He got September, Ben. It's true. That was his month. He did. Yeah.

So we know how I feel. But, it was it's a Walter Hill movie. It's got a great cast. It's snappy enough. It's got a lot of things in terms of the dialogue and the imagery where it's like, this happened to whatever degree, like, you gotta confront some stuff while you watch it.

It's a solid movie. I would I would recommend it if you are in the mood to watch something more historical, yada yada yada. Okay. I enjoyed it. It's got a very young Matt Damon Oh.

In a pretty large role. I I really like Jason Patrick. I like him. He's solid in it. It's got Gene Hackman and Robert Duvall in same scenes.

That's a crazy cast. So yeah. Ben. Yeah. What have I been watching?

I blazed through and finally finished the Penguin. Oh. Huge fan. Really big fan. I'm a big fan of the Matt Reeves Batman.

Yeah. I like that world, And I think that Colin Farrell, aside from, like, all the, you know, controversy, I suppose, around him having to wear, like, a fat suit and all these things or stuff like that. Why do you just find a man out? Shit on him? Yeah.

With the but the penguin did not attack his nuts in this one. No no monkey no monkeys gonna run nuts? He didn't attack the penguin's nuts. Do you think the monkey thought it's all banana? Maybe.

That makes sense. But I will say that I think, like, as a show, I highly recommend. It's it's I mean, it you know, it's a crime drama. It's really cool to see I mean, it's really cool to see these, big Batman nerd, big, comic book nerd, but, like, seeing nerd, big, comic book nerd, but, like, seeing these characters just sort of, like, taken seriously in a way that we've never like, I love the Danny DeVito penguin. It's not my we've talked about this on there.

Yeah. It's not my adaptation. Yes. You have an episode. Yeah.

We have a whole episode. Couple. But I love Colin Farrell's, interpretation. And Christine, Kristen Melotti, is amazing in it as well. Hey, shut the fuck up a second.

No. No. No. You watched Conclave. Carolina.

Carolina. So that was my next one. Oh. Oh, you were gonna okay. I wanna make sure you're gonna say something.

I really you wanna see it as well? I really wanna find we we just So don't go too in-depth. Last night, we just watched Con Clave. And I heard there's a twist at the end. I'm not gonna say anything.

No. You can't. But I've heard. But I fucking love that movie. Okay.

That might be my favorite movie of the year. I'm so excited to watch it. I many have told me that too. Did you see, Quiet on the western front, a few years ago? Because same director.

I haven't. German director. Mhmm. He is so precise Oh, nice. In his framing and the color palette that he pulls from, the the the score.

It's all working. It's like I rarely see a movie that feels like you've seen you're watching, like, an orchestra that's performing at a high level. Oh, wow. You know, where everything is, like, hitting. That's that's kinda how I felt about this one where it's like everything from the Tucci who's in this, Stan Latuche Yeah.

To Ralph Fiennes. Here's a reality check, Diva. Tu's just one of the best actors One of the greats. Of our time. Yeah.

Also recently gave a wonderful performance of Is It Demure? I saw that. CNN. Thank you so much. It was incredible.

It was good. Is it demure? It was like, I did not expect a locked door mystery in the Vatican. But that's what those fuckers do. Yeah.

Like, that's anything. I the high drama of the reality of that, I'm so excited for. Okay? Okay. Well, I got the I got the, approval.

Okay. I think now we're we're rolling right in on into it. It's time for some facts. Archaeology is the search for facts. Wolfman's gone mad.

We watched When Harry Met Sally. It's a Castle Rock Entertainment MGM rated R 19 89. It is an hour and 36 minutes. Good. Nice.

The budget, 16,000,000. Justin, that is 40,700,000. Opening weekend in the US was July 16, 1989. It made 1,900,000. 1.09.

1.09. I apologize. That's not a typo. And that's adjusted as 2.77. Final gross North America was 93,100,000, adjusted 2 136.8.

That's staggering. Yeah. From For for a million 238,000,000 reasons. Final gross worldwide 93.28. 237.30 3,000,000.

We've had a a run of these movies that I think were only released US, Canada. Yeah. Like, weird little things. Yeah. Wait a second.

This didn't have, like, a full international release? I mean, usually, we can it probably. We can glean from this final gross worldwide because it's not too much higher. I usually can tell that means it probably just released in like Toronto. Yeah.

Sure. Or Vancouver. Like TIFF or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. For TIFF in the area. Yeah. Other releases this weekend, license to kill. License to kill.

Paul just, gross. You know, go straight for your heart. It's a Gladys Knight song, sir. I did butcher it. Yeah.

Weekend top 5, lethal weapon 2, Batman, my love, my darling, light of my life, by some mishap and accident, a comedic mistake. I have, deregulated our children. They were smart to change that. Whoopsie. Wait.

What? For the layman's, it's Honey I Shrunk the Kids. For the poor people who are like, what the fuck is going on? For the non for the non psychopaths. License to Kill, Disney's Peter Pan, the rerelease.

This movie finished 11th and jumped to 3rd the following week. Nice. Other films from 1989, one of the best years in cinema, Weekend at Bernie's, Do the Right Thing, National Lampoon's, Christmas Vacation, Major League, Working Girl, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, and Uncle Buck. Is Major League a romcom? That came up during that recording.

Yeah. I think so. I think it's But but I will shoot to Kimbo's defense. I do think this is the first, like, straight and narrow romcom Absolutely, it that we've done. Yeah.

Because every one else has like a secondary Yeah. Story. It's a yeah. It's in the background. Yeah.

This one's Not a bad idea. All the way. It's a reach around, Paul. Letterbox average 4.1. Follow us on Letterbox at run bmc.

I'm at Paul acts badly. Sysco and Ebert, 2 thumbs way up. Rotten Tomatoes, 89. Metacritic, 70 6. Major award wins and nominations.

It's got an Oscar nom for best screenplay for Nora Ephron as as it deserves. No Saturn Awards? Oh my. No. No science fiction noms for this one.

Shocking for the pod. Odd considering how do you get to that point after you watch this movie. You're like, that can't end the what? We're we're big genre fans here. We've done a lot of genre movies.

Yeah. But also this movie has some of the best dialogue of all time. The director of this film was Rob Reiner, Stand by Me, Misery, A Few Good Men. You can't handle the truth. You want me on that wall.

You need me on that wall. Oh, nice. Writer was Nora Ephron. RIP. Heartburn, Silkwood, Mixed Nuts.

On the note of holiday movies, has anyone seen Mixed Nuts starring Steve Martin? I have not. I have not either. Super offbeat. If you can get in the absurdity craziness of it, it's a really fun, odd movie.

Okay. The director of photography of this film was Barry Sonnenfeld. Mhmm. Edgar, the skin is hanging off your bones. Robert Eggers, the skin.

Barry Sonnenfeld, Blood Simple, Big Raising Arizona, he also directed Men in Black. Music was Marc Shaiman, flipped Adam's Family Values, and a little special piano spice from Harry Connick Junior, who's worked on various films as a composer as well as an actor Mhmm. And the Black Knights. Will emerge victorious once again. At the end of this episode, and I'll let you know that right now.

Tell the Fat Lady Sings. Absolutely. Producers of this film, the aforementioned Rob Reiner, The Princess Bride, The Bucket List, Nora Ephron, Julian Julia, and Lucky Numbers, and many others, Andrew Scheinman, North Ghosts of Mississippi, and many others, Meg Ryan was Sally Albright. In the cut, you've got male, French kiss, sleepless in Seattle, and Interspace and on and on and on. Listen to our Interspace episode.

The AARP eligible legend Billy Crystal as Harry or he preferred Harold. Once you get past age 55, you prefer Harold. Mister Saturday Night City Slickers, analyze this, analyze that, analyze anything you want. Carrie Fisher, r I p. Marie, Postcards from the Edge.

Anyone seen Postcards from the Edge? I have not. No. Fantastic movie. I think partially, at least, autobiographical to Carrie Fisher's life.

Scream 3 and The Burbs. Listen to our The Burbs episode. Bruno Kirby, RIP as Jess, The Godfather, the second time. Donnie Brasco and a great Albert Brooks movie, Modern Romance. Lisa Jane Persky was Alice co 0 heads, Breathless from 83, and The Big Easy.

Michelle Nicastro as Amanda. The Swan Princess, Body Rock, Bad Guys. Robert Allen, Booth, Airplane Seat Guy, Ghostbusters 2, Outbreak in the Line of Fire, Harley Jane Kozak, Helen Arachnophobia, Parenthood, The Favor, Frank Luz, Julian, The Nest, Ghost Town voices. By the way, we have airplane seat guys, part of the top cast, because there's not a huge cast to this movie. Yeah.

It's it's a it's like a string of vignettes that primarily have 2 or 4 people in them. Yeah. Outside of the actual vignettes that have 2 people. Kimbo, would you please read us some fun facts? Yes.

Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time. And what did he call it? The segments of married couples telling the stories of how they met are real stories that director Rob Reiner collected stories.

Yes, Paul. You're raising your hand. Could anybody imagine that the non actors couldn't have been That made me really sad when you ruined this. Well, it's just the the stories are so, like, sweet. Like, they're talking about, like, the people who, like, grew up together, and then they parted ways as life happens when you're young, and then they found each other years later.

Like, that's just so like, there these there's this man on Instagram who in New York goes up to couples, and he's like, oh, can you tell me how you met or what have you? So this that just feels like a 2025 version of that. But it just made me sad to hear that we're not these aren't real couples. I could tell pretty quickly that they were actors. The stories feel real, but as they are.

But I could tell pretty quickly that they're that they were not real people. I I think the stories were the most important part to me, but I almost would rather have had just 2 people just being just saying Yeah. Me too. I don't know. Yeah.

I'm with you. I'm with you, Kimbo. Thank you. Okay. So then, that this, the quote, I'll have what she's having, which is not only voted number 33 on the AFI's list of best 100 movie quotes in American film, as well as the only quote on the list to be spoken by a non professional actor.

Actor. Fun fun fun fact, Rob Reiner's mother, Estelle Reiner, delivered the line. The hue the huge fake physical orgasm in this scene Coming. Was Meg Ryan's idea, and the line was crystals. Do a decision.

It's cold. Yeah. It's great. It's cold, Jerry. It's and it happens, like, exactly halfway through the movie, which, kinda like Gremlins, like, in our it's such a perfect little cherry for a good movie.

Joe is played by Stephen Ford, the son of 38th president Gerald Ford. Wild. Nappetive. How come Joe wasn't how come Stephen Ford wasn't in the cast? Well, he is right here in the fun facts.

Oh, okay. You made it, Stephen. Poor Stephen. Just He's not president. You got to be a background character in And you're in the review review podcast.

You were on you were in the movie when Harry Met Sally, so better than vice president. Sure. Susan Day, Elizabeth Perkins, Elizabeth McGovern, and Molly Ringwald were all approached for the role of Sally. Tom Hanks and Michael Keaton were considered for Harry. I could see that.

I No. I'm so glad it ended up the way it did. Yeah. No. I I mean too.

But I could see Hanks or Keith playing that. Yeah. Sure. They're very different movies to me. Yeah.

But I I can see what you're saying. Yeah. We'll get into this. The multiple calls split screen with the 4 male characters had to be exactly correct, considering this was all done practically on sets and sound stages. The scene took 61 takes to properly finish.

That's crazy. That multi phone call thing There's also main characters. All domains, not male characters. I was gonna say, I put all 4 m a I l characters. Yeah.

Character they were telephoning by mail. Yeah. I delivered to me. That's perfect. I want you to read the teleprompter exactly, please.

Well, you know, I respect writers. And so I wish Writers is a loose term without alcohol. It was written. This is not my favorite fun fact. The concept of Sally being a picky eater was based on Nora Ephron's real habits.

Years after the movie was released, Ephron was on a plane and ordered something very precisely. The stewardess looked at her and asked, have you ever seen the movie When Harry Met Sally? Awesome. Yeah. I love that.

I want a lemon poppy seed muffin. I want them to take all the poppy seeds out. I want them cut it in half. I want them to heat it up. Oh, that's a different As someone who's worked in the service industry, go fuck yourself.

That's real. Oh. What is the log line to this fan Oh my logistical feet of cinema moving pictures and images. I should have prepared for this. Well, a log line says to be 2 sentences.

Right? 2 to 3? Yeah. Yeah. It only usually takes, like, 50 or 60 tries.

Okay. Great. You got it. Thank you so much. Yeah.

Easy. Easy. I think the log line for this is something to the effect of 2 strangers repeatedly meet through the course of their lives, and hijinks and friendship and, ultimately, romance ensue. Okay. Anytime you can insert the word hijinks Yeah.

I'm interested. Yeah. Sign me up. I like that. Well, knowing I like that.

Your view. It's important that you said strangers. Yeah. They were strangers when they got in the car together. And that you added the hijinx, because there are no strange mention of strangers or hijinx.

Well, we are all strangers at some point. Some of us are still strangers even though we've done a podcast for, like, 2 years. Yeah. I get what you mean. Who are you?

Paul is now vigorously Oh, god. You can cut that. You just wanted a stranger? Yeah. I've been sitting on my hands for, like, 2 hours.

Oh my goodness. It'll all be cut. This is a show for boys, apparently. Yeah. Boys show.

Oh, now I can't cut it all because I was too good. No. You can cut it. Cut. I'll cut that and again it'll just be me talking about a stranger and people will be, oh, I got it.

Okay. Got it. Got it. Yeah. That was pretty good.

What is the log line, Paul? That was pretty good. The log line is, Harry and Sally have known each other for years and are very good friends, but they fear sex would ruin the friendship. That doesn't bring up the really important subject that they are strange to each other in the beginning of this and strange to each other at multiple points. Yeah.

They don't see each other for years. That's so interesting that that's what made the lock line though. I agree. It's it seems to be it's always what's gonna appeal to mass, like the elasticity. Yeah.

And then in this case, it's the sex because it's us. Gotta talk about sex. Talk about sexual hijinks. The sexual hijinks. The acrobatics.

Sexual hijinks. This episode has been re sponsored by Sexual Hijinks. Woo hoo. Oh, jeez. Okay.

We'll be right back. Was Tigger. Bruce Burrito. Bruce Burrito's not here. Not here.

He's busy. 60, high flip, kick flip. About his fancy bathtub, so, you know. Was it for sexual hijinks? Absolutely.

He neither came from nor denied. He's a pro. Yeah. Absolutely. He's a prostitute?

He's a dude. He's in the game. Oh, wow. He's the man. Oh.

Are you kidding me? How much? How much? Is he the man? How how much does he cost?

Wait. Are oh, you're still in the prostitute thing. Get him on the burrito. He's a burrito. Oh my god.

You know? Well, let's do it. Charge whatever you want. I like a breakfast burrito. Oh, no.

Dropped a bunch of cards. Oh, no. Oh, no. Do you know what kind of cards I dropped? Yes.

I know. Because I listened to the pod. Oh. There's actors on there. I think I've never seen them in the flesh.

Do you know what the name of the game is? I don't know what the name of the game is. I think I pick one. Yeah. Yeah.

And the name is. And then we go around listing movies that they or projects that they've been in. Mhmm. Mhmm. And I don't think TV shows count.

I don't think they yeah. No. Movies. Oh, because you guys love your rules here. Here.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're more like guidelines than actual rules. Wow. Well, some of these are just be excited for our Avengers Civil War episode next month.

Horrible. Captain America Civil War. I don't know. I'm gonna be bad at this random cinephile, obviously. On your left?

Are you just, like, picking the one you're gonna have? Shuffling. I don't know what's happening. There's a bunch that have been turned Oh, just hand her a card. The wrong way.

And I'm just Just give it a Just let me pick. My OCD. Okay. As long as you own it. It's upside down.

Oh, take it. It might be one of the worst ones I've ever seen. But Bill Murray. What's this what's the free one? Ugh.

Bill Murray. The life aquatic of Ziv Steve Zizou. Yeah. I will go with Groundhog Day. Rushmore.

Was it Scrooged? Yeah. Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters 2. Fuck off.

Wasn't there There was 2 new Ghostbusters movies, season both of them. Can I just say the Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy and Kate McKinnon? Yeah. Yeah. Same matter.

Can I keep buying some space? I'll go with, I don't remember this one, so I'll just say Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. I don't remember the other one's subtitle. What about Bob? Oh.

Oh, shit. I don't This is how game shows work. They do let people do that. Do they? I think it's safe to say, Kimbo, you can tell us your first experience with the movie When Harry Met Sally.

So I can't really remember the first time I've seen it. Okay. I assume growing up at some point I saw it. So I'm an only child and my mother loves is very specific, not unlike myself, about what she will or will not watch. And so, usually, as a child, if there was a rom com coming out, we would go see it.

And that was just like, rom coms are comedy. Like, Patrice does not wish to see people blown up or whatever Right. Or blah blah blah blah. Also, if the Wall Street Journal movie critics said it was good, we'd also probably go see it. That's kinda like Patrice was one of the first people to see The Hangover of all things and like reported back and was, like, you have to go see The Hangover.

And I was, like, what is happening? And she's, like, trust me. So I've seen I grew up watching a lot of, like, romcoms. I did not go see When Harry Met Sally in theaters. It was before my time.

But, like, also at the time of the video store, watched a lot of rom coms. I was 62 when this came out. Oh, sorry. Spring chicken. So I don't remember my first experience of seeing it, but it's just a really wonderful, special little nugget of a movie that I frequently watch again and again and again.

And you just rewatched it. Yes, I just rewatched it. And it's also just like a very perfect, like, seasonal New Year's movie. Mhmm. Mhmm.

And out of 5, what would be your 5. Okay. Oh, on the rewatch too. 5 I mean, you've seen this 10 times at least. 5 out of 5 what?

You can say stars. It's I mean, New Year's is appropriate. Stars is appropriate. She said sandwiches. I like sandwiches.

Sandwiches is good. We know each other so well. Sometimes we finish each other's Sandwiches? No. I wasn't gonna say Sandwiches?

Okay. That time, I was gonna say Oh. Second time. High five. High five.

Mic popped. That's not all that popped? Oh. Did someone have a soda? I got a pimple on the back.

Oh, yikes. Is it my It's a mighty patch on that. Yeah. I have a confession. Answer by mighty patch.

I have a confession. This was your first time. This is my first time. You lost your virginity to Are you You lost your virginity to a geriatric Billy Crystal? This is the first time I've seen it all.

So proud in this moment because you 2 hooligans have seen everything. No. That's not true. Well, clearly not. You've never seen The Guest.

I mean There were crickets. Anyways. Are they can you put in crickets there? I watched it at least 3 times last year. I I don't Wow.

You're special. I Something like that. You know, it's interesting how I I think there is something to be said about, growing up in the nineties. And similar to what you said with Arrested Development, I do feel like there was a there was a, you know, the quadrant of, like, find but you you've heard of, like, quadrant marketing for, like, different content. Yeah.

Hitting all the quadrants. And I I think there was a thing where it was, like, oh, this is a girl movie. This is a chick flick. This Yeah. And I think that It's a Meg Ryan movie, which is its own thing.

Right. But I you know, like, there were movies I did see like Sleepless in Seattle, but that was mostly because of Seattle. So interesting. And I Seattle plays a part. It's like a character in the movie.

Yeah. You get it? Right? And I think if I had ever seen this, it would have been a girlfriend wanting to show it to me. Do you think also, just to go back to Sleepless in Seattle, do you think in terms of a leading man, that Tom Hanks was also a draw for you versus Billy Crystal?

I mean, I I've always been a Hanks fan. Well, who isn't? We love your dad. So maybe but I watched all of these Dad, no. City Slickers.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Those are good movies. I'm a big Crystal fan.

I I guess it just was like this black hole. But that was also a time when it was, like, it was a Julia Roberts movie. Mhmm. It was a Meg Ryan movie. Mhmm.

Sandy Bullock movie. Yeah. But I don't think Sandy commanded the rom com as much as those 2. Oh, probably not. I think, like, the tie the, like the chapter started to pose a little bit.

She made some good ones for sure. Like, proposal and misconveniently. Just came a little later. Yeah. For sure.

Kinda at the end of the chapter. It was the one though that she made that was about the guy in the train tracks. Oh, with, Peter, eyebrows and, President Bill. While you're sleeping. Oh, you like that while you're sleeping?

While you were fighting aliens. President Bill. That was a that was a thing you called him. President Billy. That's the second Independence Day reference of the day.

There's gotta be at least a couple. If there's one more, you get a cookie. So anyway, so yes. I watched this movie for the first time yesterday. Okay.

I went into it thinking maybe I'd seen it before. Like, again, if a girlfriend showed it to me, but we ended up watching something else or doing something else. Do you know what I'm saying? Like Sexual Hindings more. Oh, I thought maybe you went for, like, a walk or played laser tag or something.

This is a family program. We played Twister, but we were Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.

Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.

Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Wo a podcast Position.

Having a stroke is what's happening in my life. Your your mind and your body are going 3 different places. So anyway It's how I exist, bro. I enjoyed it. I had a really good time.

I have a lot of thoughts about character that I wanna talk about as we get into it. Mhmm. So I don't wanna give too much away, but I walked away with, 3 and a half. A good 3 and a half. Super rewatchable for you.

Super rewatchable. Okay. And I wasn't I didn't come up with a clever, rating system. That's okay. I might think of 1.

Okay. But 3 I'm sitting at 3a half, and I'm I'm ready to move. Well, we're gonna see which way anybody wants to pull Ben. Ultimately, we know Kimbo wants to bring him up. Where am I?

I'm so scared. I saw this movie originally, like, many years ago. I'm not even I'm not even sure when. I have probably seen this movie somewhere in the neighborhood of half a dozen times. So if that tells you anything, I'm probably at least at a 3a half.

Right? Because I've rewatched it several times. I don't remember the first time I saw this movie either. I remember the most memorable time I saw this movie I had, the worst case of strep throat that a doctor at Seymour Clinic said he had seen in 26 years of practicing medicine. Woah.

And I watched this film and could not move, could not do really anything, and was very happy to watch it. And watched it again yesterday, very memorable again. It's a good movie. Before rewatching, I was at 4 don't fuck with mister 0 t shirts. That's a good one.

I came close to using the drinking bird. It's drinking the water. Look at him. He's going back for more. Look at him go.

Can't get enough. Well, I I really like my Ford don't fuck with mister 0 t shirts. After rewatching this movie, and I will say, I know this has happened a couple times on the podcast, this is an art form that I connect with. I got a little misty. It was New Year's Day as well.

Cat's out of the bag. I'm gonna move to 4a half. Don't fuck with mister 0 t shirts. Okay. So I think Kimbo and I are on a similar nervous.

At least one super on your side. I was very nervous. Which one did you really want on your Ben, I No preference? No. I just was very nervous.

Nervous. As a fan? That you I was gonna bring my beloved movie as voted by the people Mhmm. To the pod and that you 2 were gonna rip it to shreds and then I was gonna be a shell of myself. But now I'm not.

A stuffed shell of yourself with drag oop. We don't want anyone to feel I don't you know, even movies that have come where people have been higher than we are, it's never felt like we are well, no one's higher than Paul. Yeah. But I'm the highest. I think the closest we've gotten to is maybe The Phantom, as Brandon was higher on that than both of us.

But we didn't, you know, we kinda came together on a lot of subjects. I don't feel like we made him feel like shit about his movie selection. He hasn't been back, but no. Yes. I think you're in a good place.

Everybody's at a pretty high score here. Everybody says they've had a good time. I think we should start the movie. I mean, we should start the movie. Start the movie.

Start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie.

And now, I'm gonna go And now, a feature presentation. Be mindful of why they hired you. Here's a reality check, diva. That lion. We haven't had many MGMs.

Yeah. And I do like that. And The Castle Rock. The sign of a good movie in, like, the eighties nineties. No?

Yeah. Like Yeah. Major League and so many Rob Reiner movies. We start in Chicago. That beautiful white on black font and the music.

Yeah. Oh, you don't you don't get a lot of movies now and days that do upfront credits. No. No. You did the whole deal.

I liked it. Yeah. Me too. It it really sets you in a in a in a mood and tone with the music and everything. And yeah.

This is how it's gonna feel. You're gonna live in this for, like, a little while. Mhmm. The fonts just, like, everything just feels you were talking about specificity Yeah. Earlier.

I feel like this movie kind of has that. Yeah. Yeah. Everything feels kind of calculated. It's like even the like, we're gonna bring Harry Connick Junior in here to just, like, tickle the ivories a little bit at times.

Using a song like It Had to be You or certain like, certain songs, like, multiple times. It just And it's so effective. Yeah. Perfect. Because we saw So far perfect or just University of Chicago is where we started?

Yes. 1977. Mhmm. And we finally I think they saw Star Wars. They maybe just Not together.

Not necessarily. But they both saw it. Right? That summer. Yeah.

Yeah. I think they did too. I think they did too. You've ever heard Patton Oswalt's story about that? He he sought before anybody else at his school.

He, like, went on a opening night and, like, nobody else knew what he was talking about. They're, like, you sound like a crazy person. He's like No, man. Oh. He's just, like, running around.

Anyway I wanna say real quick, actually, and I hope y'all will tell me that you have a favorite one, the movie starts with my favorite interstitial of the older couple talking to each other and he's got that hilarious voice and it's so sweet. And I recognize that actress. That's why I'm like, oh, these are probably maybe it is the actual people, but does anybody have a favorite interstitial, like one that sticks out? I just love them all. I like the one where they're overlapping talking.

Yeah. That's the one to me that feels the the most realistic. That's fair. She keeps bringing it. Like, yeah.

I'm bringing it back. That was the one that I really liked. I think it was from the beginning. I was like, oh, are these not actors? And then it's almost like when you hear AI and you're like, it's so clean.

It's too clean. That's kinda how I feel. That's why you like this show. You can tell it's real people because it sounds unclean. That is definitely true.

Nobody could argue that this is AI. Sexual hijinks have happened in this area. No. We're gonna take another break. We're moving.

That moment Meg drive Meg drives up, and Billy Crystal, who clearly just came from the blue plate special for some like, it's never too late to start college. I know. Right? I mean, I do appreciate because I was thinking if this movie were made today, they would be doing the CG. GAG.

On it. Yeah. Which I fucking hate. The hair and makeup's more tolerable. I'm with you.

Have you seen, Breaking Bad? No. Okay. Well, Better Call Saul, the Yeah. The creator, Vince Gilligan.

Mhmm. Someone asked him because he does Better Call Saul. It's technically a prequel. And, he's like supposed to be younger than he is and and he's not obviously. He's older.

Right. Someone asked in an interview like why don't you use de aging technology? And his response was because my audience aren't idiots. And I think that That's so good. Yeah.

Don't spoon feed me that. Yeah. So I appreciate this. The hair and makeup is fine. It works.

It's It does. Like, the thing that keeps hitting me about this movie is, like, well, that guy's that guy's not this age. That's the thing that keeps, like, taking me out of the movie to a degree. But you make such a good point in terms of the, like, would you rather this or this? And I think I'd rather what I just watched.

I mean, it's a very as coming from theater, I feel like it's a very theater thing to do is to get just to appreciate your audience. Craft. Well, like, I've played people from when they're kids into adulthood on stage, and your ability your willingness to go along with that in theater is is is way more like, you're more open to it. But I feel like because film wants to deliver you reality on a plate Yeah. It's less likely to do that.

And so I appreciate about this movie, it's like we're not going to we're not gonna treat like, we're telling a story from this age to this age, and we want these actors to play that part. Deal with it. I think I prefer it. Yeah. Well, we're already people are making some points.

Wouldn't you rather have this? The only other thing that you could see doing, which I do not think it would work in this movie, but we've talked about it before, is casting younger actors. Would not work in would not work in this movie. Nobody can do that specific timing but Billy Crystal. Like The guy who plays him in Saturday Night was pretty good.

He was very good. I agree. He was very good. Saturday Night, solid movie. Born.

Have you seen Saturday Night? I have seen Saturday Night. Liked it? Yeah. S a t u r d a y?

Night. Would they go on a road trip to New York? And after Harry is not kissing Sally, he's kissing someone else at the beginning of the movie. He's dating He's dating Sally's friend Amanda. What's her name?

Amanda. Amanda Reese. Per? Oh, okay. I think yeah.

I think that was her name. Per? Per? Yes. Per?

Per? Okay. Well Her. Hey, Sally. Here we go.

Billy butt. I think this is like Right in the screen. This first road trip. This is my only my only thing that brings this down for me is I find Wow. But it brought it down a star and a half?

I'd say it brought it down a half. Okay. Okay. So there are a couple things. You know, 5 stars reserved for a selection.

Oh. This type of movie can't be 5 stars. Oh. Open Heiner can be 5 stars, but not this. Oh.

Hold up. I'm asking. That's not what I said. Okay. Explain to me.

Certain movies. That implies that this is not a certain movie. No. That was his choice of words. That was not my choice of words.

Okay. I I Plead your case, sir. They came together as a 5 star movie for me. No. That is not a 5 star movie.

It is for me. 4 3 and a half 3 and a half to 4 and a half star movies are very rewatchable, very good movies for me. Yes. Yes. Yes.

A 5 star movie for me is something that I hold at such a high level that I'm going to I'm gonna scream it from the mountain tops. I'm gonna force people to watch it. I I have a question. Does that include a level of, like, technical or precise type film making that this movie just like, it's not applied here? It's not applied in the genre?

Or No. I mean, I'm always I go into every movie hoping it's a hoping it's a star movie. Yeah. It's just a matter of how something hits me or not. You know?

I mean, like, I can't walk up to a painting and force myself to give Right. A high ranking. So I think, like, the way that I interpret a movie I'm not saying, like, there's just I this is a 4 star movie, but is for me. He just said 4. This is a 4 star movie, but.

Okay. Okay. Okay. But I find these characters very obnoxious. They that's a wow.

That's a good point too. They can be. That's the only like, from the beginning, I just find them both kind like, first it's him Yeah. And then it's her. First it's him in the car, then it's her in the in the dining in the ordering.

I was like, oh my god. I don't think I could stand either of these individuals. This is this is why I love They Came Together so much because that movie loves this movie and the grating things that happen in rom com, the homaging that happens is so amazing. Does it set up the clear opposites for everybody pretty Yeah. Like I mean, I think it has to be It's dynamic in the car.

Oh, no. It's good. I have to course. These people in order for the rest of it to work. That you have to build them up to be so obnoxious and neurotic in their own ways.

If you don't do that, the rest of it doesn't work. I'm not disagreeing with that. I think that I just don't like spending time with them. Fair. It's very, like, it's very similar to, Much Ado About Nothing.

Right? Because Beatrice and Benedick are pretty annoying people, but that's why they work together. So I think, like, I get I get that. Okay. I'm I'm I'm again, open to move.

But it's just, like, so many times where I couldn't stand them as humans. The dichotomy is so thick and, like, we were saying, like, in the car where it's, like, clearly there are different people. Right? And everybody was, like, yeah. The movie lays that piece on a little thick without spoon feeding me with digital face fixing or whatever.

You did that for a couple days. And he's the way he's spitting the grape seeds at a point where you're just like, you didn't have to do that last one. Like, it's like, you didn't have to hit that that's where it gets obnoxious to me, I guess. Yeah. Because there was a level where I was agreeing with you where you were saying that.

And it's like, you don't have to hit that beat that last time. Right. You put on all of your jewelry and then you take one thing off. Oh, I've never I've never heard that before. Is that a common That's a thing.

Oh, I didn't know that. You're welcome. I only have one piece of jewelry. It's my wedding wedding ring. Well, don't take that off.

Oh, okay. You got the Prince Albert taken out, or did you take it out yourself? My god. I got ripped out. Holy man.

Can somebody please bear with me? Sexual hijinks. Sexual will do that to you. Thanks, Burrito. I will say it's super snappy in the car, the dialogue.

Outside of, like, the spitting or people being in the fridge, the dialogue is super. The dialogue is great. And I love how front they are with each other. Like, I I think this is one of the more it's written really genuinely how adult they are. Like, I'm just willing to talk about this.

Also, I in that moment, they both are in this they're on this adventure for a finite amount of time. Right? So there's no thought of, like, oh, I am planning for this person to be in my life for longer, so I'm I'm trying to impress them or whatever. Like, it is what it is. Yeah.

You're just who you are. Yeah. You can just say, like, you haven't had good sex yet. I guess And you're, like, who cares? I'm not yeah.

I guess I could think, like, if someone There's no hijinks involved, has there? No. If someone got into my car and was acting like that, I'd be like, dude, what the fuck are you? Get the fuck out. Right.

But I mean, you make a really good point where it's like there's nothing to lose here, essentially. Like, they both seem nice enough or, like, whatever. Like, this is a short term, like, what do they say in fight club? We're both Single serving friend. Totally.

Like, we're both heading in this one direction to start our lives, and you will not be a part of the new life that I'm starting in New York. Until we get to New York, they go their separate ways, and and we fast forward. I like, though, when they're at the restaurant and she says something about sex and the whole restaurant stops, and she's really fucking embarrassed. Yeah. She's so control based.

She's really kind of, like, there's an immaturity performance from the beginning to the end of the movie is different. Sure. But that's She's so good. Yes. But that's what it's like to be 22.

Like, you don't wanna admit that you haven't had good sex yet. Well, no. Of course not. I'm agreeing with you where it's like, I think she's so great at embodying the different ages, like, even just the, like, movement. Mhmm.

Like, it's really, really solid. And can men and women be friends? No. No? No.

You can be friends with a a romantic interest, a wife's may male or female friend or a husband's male or female friend at all? Like, an ancillary thing? I think it's a little I think it's only as long as the marriage is happening. I think it's an outdated philosophy. That opposites can't be friends or quote unquote?

I yeah. I feel like it it kinda like leans really hard into the, to this idea that the gender norms, I suppose, of men being obsessed with sex and not. That's where I fall. That's where I Everybody is. Everybody's obsessed with sexual hijinks.

What? No. It's an easy way to impress people. Yeah. Absolutely.

And goodbye. I the handshake goodbye. Yeah. But that, like, also, again, like, they're literally never planning to see each other. Like, they never wish to see each other again.

Right. Well, and I like that at the end, she's like, you're going with my friend. Why are you trying to sleep with me? And he's like, whatever. We're not gonna she's not the end all be all.

Like, yada yada. Yada. You're attractive. Right. And He's also moving to New York.

Right. Well, they're they're the only people that they know in New York are each other. You said, bye. The only person I know in New York is whoever. He's from, Staten Island, though.

Right? In life? No. No. They say that in this.

Oh, he's from Jersey. Yeah. He's from Jersey and lived in Chicago. Okay. Yeah.

More adorable interstitials. Like, these happen between vignettes, these older couples. To break up the time jumps. Yep. Exactly.

And now, how far forward 5 years. 5 years. It's at the airport. And his, like, brief encounter with the dude, she's like A brief encounter. Eating face with, at the airport.

Lawrence of Arabia. Aileen Knight. Aileen Knight. But I love that he Doctor Zhivago. Used, like, the randomness of, like, running because you run into people at the airport.

Absolutely. We ran we ran into each other. This is true. Yes. Thank you for mentioning that in this moment.

This is true. But I think it's also important to note that this movie was before TSA and things. Right. So you could have a loved one meet you at the gate or stay with you at the moment. So I think that's also important.

Sally's making out with Gerald Ford's kid. And they say they exchange I love yous. And it's so fucking fake. It's like how 20 year olds say it, like, I love you. And they're like, really?

I love you too. It's also like these 26 year olds have their shit way more together than I did at 26. Morty. Yeah. Don't get me started.

They're like business people. They, like, have jobs. Like, what the fuck? I was, like, drunk on the sidewalk. It's on Skyline Wine.

Skyline Skyline Skyline Skyline rhyme. Yeah. Making a rhyme. The thing on the airplane too. The dude volunteering to switch seats.

And she Kimbo. Yes. Does she want him to sit next to her? Because she doesn't protest. He's very presumptuous through this movie.

He's very presumptuous through the movie. I think that when Harry first sees her making out with Joe, Harry is like, oh, Joe, like, Harry first sees her making out with Joe, Harry is like, oh, Joe, like Mhmm. Knows Joe. I think she is a little offended Yeah. That he doesn't remember her because they obviously had so much meaningful bonding time on their drive.

Many hours. And then she's has snide remarks to make about him to Joe, whatever. And then they all move on, get on the plane, what have you. And then when Harry decides to switch seats with the guy sitting next to her, she does not protest. No.

She doesn't. Although, he is definitely more he's less abrasive than he was at 22. Sure. Oh, yeah. He's been trained.

He's engaged. So he's had someone beat it out of me a little bit. It does it does take it does take, some time for us boys to grow up. It's refining. Little bit.

You gotta refine yeah. How Pressure makes diamonds. How have you done? Smoothing the granite. How have you gone?

I love you, dad. Chip dad, no. You all need, dude. Dad, no. Chip.

I'm doing good. Uh-huh. But, yes, they're on USA. Plane and I almost feel like she allows it for She's interested. For the entertainment.

Right? Like, if I was on a plane and there was someone who again, finite amount of time that you're on this plane. Right? Yeah. And you're, like, sure.

But hell. Like Now a question on medication. Has I passed or give you the ass or the crutch? I can't watch my TV yet in planes because it's early eighties. I'd be mortified.

I don't like I don't like interacting with when when somebody asks me a question, like, excuse me, can you move so I can get up and go to the bathroom? I hate it. I want to be Did you just shut down? I wanna read my book. I wanna have my hip, my noise canceling.

Sitting on the window seat probably to be left alone. Do you? I wish. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I if I can, but usually I'm on the aisle.

I usually try to sit in the aisle and look as pissed off as I can. And when I fly southwest, mostly, nobody sits next to me. Wow. Yeah. It's by straight it's by design.

I won't lie. I like to try to make my shoulders look as broad as possible. Oh. Because I don't want anyone to see Size 36 suit, motherfucker. If I sit next to another guy, it's it's a like No.

You're trying to cuddle. You know, like, when you sit next to, like, another like, if we were sitting next to a Or you're jockeying your arm space. It's not fun. It's not fun. It's a bitch.

I do hate that. Yeah. Because our It could be worse. Like this. Could be a lot worse.

I also she clearly wants to be wanted by him. They're, like, they're attracted to each other. He wants to be wanted by her. And he wants to talk about fucking. And she is, for certain, interested in whether or not he's good at fucking.

And I think I think Harry can fuck. I have a question for you, Kimbo. Yes. Just because I think Meg Ryan is gorgeous. Mhmm.

Yeah. And I love Billy Crystal. Is Billy Crystal an attractive man? He doesn't fuck around about fucking around about sexual hijinks. Not in term not in terms of what he's He's got a man.

He's got the riz. He's he's yes. He has. He is funny and he's got he's very forward. He's confident.

But as but as a as a as a individual as a physical being, is he an attractive I mean, I think he's attractive. I also appreciate a guy like Harry in the sense that, like, yeah, he's cute, but, also, he will make me laugh. And, you know, I think there's a lot more Okay. To Harry that would intrigue me and keep me coming back. This guy fucks.

Thank you. Okay. I I gotta I gotta say about Billy Crystal. He has a fucking $1,000,000 smile. That guy's got a great smile.

You talking about Mike Wazowski? Yeah. Put that baby back where it came from also help me. So help me. That might be the best Billy Crystal.

It's really Him and John Goodman are so good together. When they go to Chicago O'Hare airport, which is where they're at, and they're on the people movers Yeah. Yeah. I first went to Chicago O'Hare in 1999, and I think it still looked like this. Because I Oh, I see.

And it hasn't and it's changed since then. Yeah. But I remember it so vividly. I'm like, oh my god. Chicago O'Hare Airport, the people movers.

Wow. What a nostalgic moment for you watching this movie. It was. Cool. And I think but also other movies of O'Hare where you, like, the white ceiling, like, and then And then Home Alone and yeah.

I or in My Best Friend's Wedding, you have it. Like, I just whenever I've been at O'Hare and I've walked through there, it's very, like, very it's just a weird thing. Yeah. And he comes he, like, comes on to her and says well, he didn't come on to her. He says, we should get dinner because now we're both with somebody.

And so the rule is void. Although now it technically isn't because because both of our partners will complain. Basically, he's still interested in her even though he's engaged. He's being him. Yeah.

He's him? He's he him. Capital h? He him. He is him.

I thought that was Justin Jefferson. Okay. Oh, no. Yeah. He's him.

Well, it's at a different time. It took the torch passes. Kelly Crystal, Justin Jefferson. There was somebody in there in the middle. I don't know.

I don't know who it was. Okay. I'm not him, so they don't tell me. You're lowercase. Right.

I don't disagree, but I do think that I don't know. I don't disagree about the attraction and the things, but I do think, again, for her, it's a finite like, this it's this time together is contained within the ride of the flight. Right? Same with the serving friend. Keeps coming back, and she's like, okay.

Well, we have our time together. Like, goodbye. And he's just like a little cute cockroach that just won't take no. There is a line in this, I think. I'm I'm jumping ahead.

There are so many good ones. Just because I think Allegedly, there are no rules here. Only Well, we can move around. We're That's right. But there's a line that she says at one point that's, I gotta go.

Wait a second. Wait a wait a second. What are you doing for New Year's? Are you going to the Tyler's party? Because I don't have a date.

And if you don't have a date, we always said that if neither one of us had a date, we could be together for New Year's and if you could, you know, waddle. I can't do this anymore. I'm not your consolation prize. Goodbye. Goddamn.

It's good. Yeah. And I feel like Can't be your backup, man. Jumped ahead. I did.

But it's just, like, there are things as as the relation because I where I get more engaged in this movie is at is is later on. Yeah. When they become friends. And they've lived tight. Yeah.

And they're, like, truly, like, hanging out Calling each other. Together. Yeah. Because I think early on I guess, I just find him very obnoxiously upfront, and that's just not me. I get that.

Yeah. Well, I like that it doesn't seem like he's, like, confrontational necessarily, but he is pretty fucking self absorbed a lot of the time. Yeah. Of course. And there's a yeah.

And the this lunch scene where we finally, you know, we now we get Carrie Fisher, little lunch with Leia. Mhmm. And she busts out the Rolodex of dudes Yeah. And has the system. And that this movie is so great at recurring jokes and imagery and activities that characters are doing and stuff.

And this recurring joke of Carrie Fisher, like, he's not gonna leave his wife, is he? For so many 3 or 4 times that we see her I love I I also love the little idiosyncratic thing she does. She's like, oh, he's married. And she just finds the Yes. She has a system.

She just doggies it. You think maybe, like, you think maybe, like, oh, she's gonna take it all up. Yeah. No. She'll put it back in.

He'll leave his wife. It's great. He'll leave him. Well but Billy Crystal, understandably explaining I'm getting a divorce. And when the I guess the therapist was like, date your wife.

And he was like, why would I date my wife? It's, like, you're dating your wife forever. You already clearly, like, just fucking checked out. Like, what do you think was gonna happen, you self absorbed fucking twit? Like, to whatever degree.

Like Yeah. And also you don't wanna woo her or make her feel special at all? Also, dude, they don't as far as I know, they don't do the wave at football games. I've definitely done it at some college games. But I feel like it's a it's a baseball thing pretty strongly.

Well, because NFL people are standing most of the time. Maybe that's a newer thing. I don't know, man. You're the queen of cheer. I wouldn't be standing in the Giants game either.

So hey o. Got them. The bookstore scene, which Meg Ryan is the queen of bookstore scenes. Because it's like, you've got mail and this and I think 1 or 2 other things. Shop around wait.

You've Got Mail is a remake of Shop Around the Corner. Is it? Shop Around the Corner is the bookstore, and you've got mail. Yes. Is that So it's a that's the name of the story that it's based on.

Oh, okay. But I I love that she's Which is based on a bookstore scene play. Like, a Russian play, I believe. Oh. Rock bada dum.

I'm gonna look this up. Okay. Oh, funny. The fact check. Yeah.

The fact check's gotta happen. The bookstore scene, Carrie Fisher says he's cute in this moment. Oh, he's cute. He's cute. He's cute.

So it's affirmed by Princess Leia herself. He's cute. And when she fucking ducks out, just, like, fades away. So good. It's wonderful.

And the kind of the breakup story and the stuff about the kids and finding apartments in New York when they start hanging out Yeah. His whole strategy of, like, check the obits, tip the doorman. But also it's true. I think it's great. Yeah.

I think it's, like, it's fucked up, but it's good at night. That's also part of the beauty in so many of the moments of the movie that make it work. Part of why I love Nobody Wants This so much is that it's just, like, it's real life and it's not trying to be silly or create comedy. Like, the comedy is or, like, the beauty in the thing is the actual situation. So, like, going back to the lunch thing, like, sitting around the table with my pals, like, talking about, like, that's just the 1985 version of it.

Right? Yeah. Carrie Fisher is folding down the earmarking the card. I can almost think of a version of that, of me and my friends talking about guys we've dated or whatever. Again, the beauty in the moment of, like, talking about the obits and finding the apartments, it's nuts, but it's true.

And that's part of why I think it all works so well. It's not like trying too hard. They're super genuine with each other. And, like, at times, I agree with you, Ben. It's, like, it's kind of obnoxious, but they both seem nonconfrontational.

And so it has a flowiness to it that works for me. Well, and you mentioned that amazing line, like, I will not be your consolation prize, which is fucking goated and awesome. Yeah. What's the statute of limitations on apologies? It's Great.

A woman friend. It's so chock full of all these great lines. And life and existence are kind of comedic and tragic and whatever, and you're I don't know. You're it it almost feels like, you know, you're you're watching them through a drone camera a lot of the time. But they've also by the time they meet again for the 3rd time, for 3rd time's the charm.

Right? So by the time they meet again in that bookstore, like, they've lived 10 years since college. They've grown up a bit, and they've weathered a few storms. And so at this point, like, there is a mutual agreement to be friends, which I think is why it kind of works is because no one's coming on to each other in this moment. Great.

The woman friends. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like, they're both little broken birds in a sense. And so they're here to pick each other back up.

So it works in that moment for that reason. I agree. And the I mean, coming here the dialogue is blah. Perfect. You know?

And I think that their obnoxious levels start to decrease. Yes. You yeah. You mentioned. But I still feel like there is this naivete between them that I start to that I start to really get annoyed by.

Because I'm like, you guys clearly just it's like when you watch The Office, and you're just like, just just fuck. Like, you guys just just get together. Yeah. Just fuck it out. Like that Come on.

This is the point too, like, by the phone call and, like, they're watching Casablanca together. And I think this is actually to the movie's credit though is, like, just get together. Just get together. And it waits until the absolute last fucking moment. And it Which is for me, it's satisfying.

No. I mean, I moment. And it just for me, it's satisfying. No. I mean, I'm not saying that's it is satisfying.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like But you want it to get there. And you can Which is what you're supposed to want. And we're but we're also, like, we're watching this from it's enjoyable.

And they can't. But their friends can. Everyone else can. That's what we do. So yeah.

Yeah. But yes. You've Got Mail is a remake of of Shop Around the Corner Okay. Which was released in 19 63. Jimmy Stewart.

1940. No. 1940. No. There was a 1949 remake called In the Good Old Summertime, a musical with Judy Garland.

There was a 1963 Broadway musical, She Loves Me. All of this based on the original Hungarian play from 1937, Parfumery by Miklos Laszlo. So I was wrong. It wasn't Russian. It was Hungarian.

I quit. You'll Thank you for your help. You have a star right next to mine, Laszlo Panaflex. This delicious Chinese food. A succulent Chinese meal.

Is that the crime for having Listen to our What We Do in the Shadows episode, please. The Park Walk and Talk, you've mentioned this too, Ben, every frame of painting. Yeah. This is almost this is one of the most perfect examples of that to me. Almost every frame of this movie, and that is part of the reason why on the look back that happens later in the movie, for me, is so wonderful because the, you know, Rob Reiner, editor, Nora Ephron, whomever are, like, this is beautiful.

Very sweet, man. This is beautiful. Yeah. I think it does, and it does capture urban New York living. Yeah.

New York's a character. Every season. Every season in New York. Absolutely. I love a good I love a look at good, you know, sweater fall beanie movie.

It's not like it's my favorite sweater or anything. Yeah. That's a hell of a sweater. That's a nice cable knit. Billy Crystal was the king of of cable knits before Chris Evans y'all.

And then Chris Evans became him. Oh, woah. And now Justin Jefferson. Yeah. There was had to be somebody else in there.

I don't know. Okay. Also, like, the hair flossing thing that's mentioned now where they're they keep trying to one up each other with stuff. The hair flossing thing is fucking insane. Yeah.

It's so much worse than Harry's thing. He even admits, like, oh, yeah. We fucked after or whatever. It's like, if somebody flosses with your hair, you call the police. Like, you you push the candle that's lit at them.

Like You put a wooden stake through their heart. Yeah. That's nosferatu. Yeah. At any point did you plan on shaving that fucking thing off your face for this date?

No? As he starts flossing his fucking vampire teeth through your hair. Sicko. Sicko. Yeah.

But he's got a he's got a nice little, you know, little tickler there. He Little bar. Bruno Kirby's got a great one. RIP. He's got a great stash in this movie.

He does have a pretty solid? Awesome. I am. I can't grow them like that. That's a legend.

Even the even the rotting corpse of Nosferatu, Count Orlok, can have a mustache better than you. It's it's so sad. My facial hair is so patchy. Fucking Danish butter cookie face. Right now, Paul has a soul patch.

You can't see. But he has And if I shave it off No chin? Then what do I have? No chin? No soul Oh.

Or chin? So the the batting cage thing? Oh, yeah. This is, to me, also the the Bruno Kirby character is such a great, beautifully acted, beautifully written, like, foil, sort of to Billy Crystal, like the meow thing, where he's like, you made a woman meow, where he kinda makes the point, like, he's like, I can't I can't even tell you this. And and his reaction is like, yeah.

You're right. You shouldn't have told me that. Like, go on. Tell me blah blah blah blah blah. Can I ask though for the the, the scene, the batting cages?

Do you think that actor was actually left handed to be lined up on that side of the plate or it just worked in the frame? It just worked in the frame. Because if you I was thinking I was like, oh, if he was right handed they wouldn't be able to frame them together. Can you switch hit on a slow enough No. My left my I'm no.

It was just one of those things that I was like I I just I could see inside baseball inside baseball. Where I'm like, oh, I get I bet they couldn't frame it right if he was lined up on the right side. That's a really good point. Like that and that's very thoughtful on their part because Yeah. Depending on if either of them are, like, switch hitting right there, it's whomever, if anyone's doing it, is doing it alright.

Yeah. And now we get to go to the batting cages after this. And I'm gonna show you guys, I can switch hit if it's slow enough. Oh. For real?

I mean, I won't, like, all swing at it. Are there still batting cages? I'll attempt it. In this world? The bat the batcade in Burbank, California.

I've never been there. They have batting cages there. Burbank is fine. They really do. No foolin'.

I'm not faking you right now. Inside baseball? I wouldn't fake you right now. No cap? I'm being no cap.

All gas. Alright. We're going all gas now because fucking Meg Ryan at this point, which, you know, the restaurant thing, I guess, was her idea. Her hitting that second beat of I'm talking about sex and some people hurt me and I wanna fucking die. Mhmm.

And the level of freedom she has and how much she's, like, grown up to do this in front of a restaurant and go, okay. And then just start eating her food. That's great. It's brilliant. I'll have what she's having.

Beautiful line, beautiful delivery, great setup. And the fact that it goes on for so long Mhmm. Is is I think what really pays the joke off. You know? If she just went, oh, and, like, really quickly, not a funny joke.

But the fact that it just keeps going and that everybody she knows everybody's paying attention there. Yeah. Tell me about it. Yeah. She pops some tents in that room.

You know? Yeah. Tell me about it. Well, I've had a shit day. There's also the level of him, like, the the tables have turned Mhmm.

Because then he's embarrassed Exactly. By her. And it's How the turntables Yeah. Turn. But it, like, shows how much they've grown up that now he would be mortified by such a thing.

I think, also, I'm do you have people fake it? But he I mean, he says he says, I'm sure they've had a good time. Was he trying to directly say, I've made every woman just explode? I mean, I think he's naive. He gets wrapped up in the idea of that pretty quickly, so he must have been Self obsessed.

Yeah. Yeah. He's very confident in himself. But also, he's been with presumably one woman for a lengthy amount of time. So But also all of New York.

Well, no. And and then they start trying to According to Sally They start trying to date other people. And it it's one of those things where you just know they're never gonna work, these other people, because they're always gonna want each other. Absolutely. Yeah.

They're never gonna They're each other's consolation prize. She just has the fucking guts to say it first. I like, to basically be, like, I'm not I love you and, like, you gotta fucking step up to the plate. Yeah. Like, she gets to that point before him.

And and that first moment of love, as, like, the music's kind of reminding me of Elf, which is a huge compliment because I love that music. The music in Elf is great. But they have that first New Year's Eve party and they're, like, cheek to cheek. Mhmm. And the look on their faces as they're turning.

I don't know how is this is this the most It doesn't feel like it's laid on too thick. Is this the most iconic New Year's Eve scenes? These these scenes in this movie? The one at the end. Godfather part 2.

Oh. No. This this one to me, actually. Oh, more so. Yeah.

Maybe. Yeah. I know it was you. Just like, I'm wanting Carrie Fisher to give up on this guy. And they're I know.

They're gonna go on a double date. Bruno Kirby, Carrie Fisher, Billy, and Meg are all gonna go on this date, and they're trying to set each other up because they want their friends to be happy and they're too afraid to be together. I think more footing around it. I think it's more that they want to have a reason to always be together. Oh, I think that's a huge part of it too.

Yeah. Good point. I know. I I think they want They're in denial. But it's you know what?

Yeah. I'm saying. That's a big piece of it. Yeah. But I think that, like Yeah.

A part of their denial process is, like, oh, I'll just set them up with my best friend. And that way, we're still You know, it's like, They'll always come back. Hamilton, at least I have his eyes in my life. You know? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I did see that. Like, that's the whole thing.

Believe it or not, they let me in. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. You were in the show?

No. No. They let me in the theater. Oh. Yeah.

Were you did you pay for a ticket? Yeah. Why wouldn't they let you in? I mean, I see you're wearing cargo shorts. You can wear those in a theater.

And my Crocs. And socks. But also have you met me? Speaking of always coming back, Billy Crystal's from Haddonfield, and so is one Michael Myers. Is that something?

The blackest is dyes. Is Billy Crystal Michael Myers? He's not big enough. He's way too short. Okay.

The devil size. Okay. Because the original Michael Myers we've established was my size. Yeah. But you're definitely taller than Billy Crystal.

Billy Crystal's shorter than Meg Ryan. I'm not him. No. You've never been him. He's a giant.

You will never be him. Hi. Fox. He's a giant to me. Kimbo's staring at us in a way that reminds me of my mother Oh, no.

Disapproval. Disapproval. I'm not mad at you, but I'm disappointed. Which is actually not true. My mom listens to every episode of this.

Oh. Hi, mom. Her name is Sarah. Hi, Sarah. Wow.

Yep. That makes one of our moms. That's really cute. That's great. Really?

She loves this podcast. Well then, Sarah, this is for you. You deserve a nice episode. She's gonna love that. That's awesome.

Thank you, Sarah. We appreciate you. Yeah. You know who I don't appreciate? Who?

Helen. Which one's Helen? Helen, Helen. Is Harry's ex wife. Oh, god.

The run-in. He's They're having this great moment. And the fact that he's embarrassed that he's feeling so free and happy to sing karaoke with her and his maybe, probably asshole ex wife, he's embarrassed? I think we can call her an asshole in this situation based on how the breakup went down. Okay.

You know what he's singing though? Put that thing back where it came from or so help me, so help me. Yeah. She just walks I got something in my pocket for For you. She just walks up with her bald husband.

Sorry. Hey. And You're not allowed to say that in England. Oh, sorry about that. That's why I'm moving there.

Her bald partner. My bad. You can't say bald. Oh. That's not that thing.

That's a scam. I'm this century's Dennis the Menace. But yeah. They what is her goal of walking? She just, like, wants to show off how successful She's mean.

That's what mean girls do. But she's just showing, like, they're wearing suit. He's wearing a like, what what is the goal here? I I like that hair Harry Also, his Meg Ryan's way hotter. Oh.

Well, I'm That's yeah. But, like, I think that Helen is probably a lot of the reason why Harry has mellowed and simmered down. Right? She's probably beat it out of him in a sense. Because, like, Helen wants life to look a certain way.

Yeah. And here, Harry's having this really wonderful time with his friend, in air quotes. His soulmate. Yeah. And he's just really enjoying and in the moment, and then here comes fucking Helen, doomsday, marching on over with her new her new beau, who she left Harry for.

Yeah. And it just just it feels really mean It is. Yeah. To come over and ruin this moment and to remind him that, him being Harry, that she can, still has this power to make him feel small. Granted, I do think Harry needed to grow up and have some of those old 1977 first vignette habits removed from his repertoire.

Yeah. But I just think that she is a lot of the reason for why, when we re meet him for the 3rd time, he's so beaten down. I agree with that. I think Harley Jane Kozak, the actress that plays the ex wife, is super solid in that one scene. Like you were saying, Kimbo, like, she, like, lays on a lot of the, like, stuff that Harry's been saying for quite a while, like, really well in that one little scene.

And this to me is this is the scene that Billy Crystal's acting sings the most for me, like, mister Saturday night style, because, like, she's asking him, how are you? I'm fine. He's not reciprocating Mhmm. At all. Mhmm.

And I don't, like, see him as an asshole. Like, I actually kind of love that he's just like, I'm here. I don't know why you're here or why we're having this conversation. I don't understand what's happening now. And he like, it gets to the point of where he's has to kinda be, like, mildly petty, almost to kind of motivate her to go away.

Like, she almost maybe seems, like, content to, like, stand there awkwardly. The ex wife does. Yeah. I mean, she's just there to, like, yeah, display her success, I guess. I don't know.

Perceived success. Is a wagon wheel table almost my rating system as well? A sign of success? That should have been my rating system. 3 and a half wagon wheel tables.

But the bird is drinking the water. But I love that they they I love that they get together, and it makes total sense that their friends get together. And I love this use from a writing point of view. Mhmm. I love the idea that these two characters are willing and able to recognize when someone's meant for them and just run with it.

And they're, like, encounter to To run to the cab. Mhmm. Yeah. Like, Like, we're fucking Encounter to Harry and Sally who clearly cannot see it or not admit it to themselves. And I think that's a really smart They're both commitment phobes, ultimately.

Yeah. But I think it's smart writing to have these 2 best friend characters be so different from the main characters? And they have this comfortability that I think is so beautiful. It's part of, like, oh, as you know in the theater, the writer is God. And I don't know if, like, this is written or not.

Uppercase g. Right? Certain oh, yeah. Okay. For the wagon wheel conversation, after at the very end of the second act, which is such a beautiful fucking piece of writing, that's when Harry fully fucking loses it.

And your wagon wheel table fucking sucks, and everybody sucks, and all this shit sucks because the ex wife has really rattled him. And when Carrie Fisher and Bruno Kirby, before Harry and Sally remove themselves, she goes, by the way, if we ever get divorced, I will never try to take that wagon wheel table from you. I'm like, these people are destined to be together. Yeah. It's so great that they have the comfortability of her to just be like, this table fucking sucks.

It's yours forever. But Harry, absolutely losing his mind, and at the end of him just being like, I'm sorry, although I'm got kind of getting sick of him apologizing Yeah. At least he's doing it a lot, because he should. Once she finds out Joe Yeah. Her ex is engaged.

Yeah. And I think there is something just to be said that they had to have those relationships Of course. Before they could come together. Of course. They those 2 needed a lot of personal growth.

Well, it's it's almost better that they didn't date right away. Absolutely. They wouldn't date right away. They would not yeah. They would She'd be what's her name?

What's her name? Her. What was his first Amanda. Mhmm. Her?

Her. Her? She's right there. Her? She you let her in.

Her? Oh, Anne. Oh, hey, Anne. Her? But She takes a packet of mayonnaise and just squeezes it.

With an egg and she calls it a mayonnaise. Mayonnaise. It's so cute. Her. Who what?

Are you okay? Yeah. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I feel like they had to let go of those. Those two things had to happen.

Yeah. He had to get embarrassed by his ex Mhmm. And Joe has to get embarrassed. And lose it. And lose it.

He had to, like, come all the way apart. Because it full it's when he fully suffers that tie. Mhmm. And I think, like, we're as as humans, even though we might say we might be over somebody, like, who we, like, cared so deeply about Mhmm. We there's a part of there's, like, pieces of us that still, are not Or hold things precious to whatever degree.

Yeah. Yeah. Things about see things with rose colored glasses. Sure. Exactly.

Always want you the part of you thinks that's always gonna be a possibility. And I think that's a big part of why they don't date is because they know in a way that they are the end goal. Absolutely. And that they're both holding on to that hope of their of Joe and and, whatever his ex's, wife's name is. Oh, for Funk and Heaven?

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because I hear a fuck. And so then it's when Joe gets engaged or that Elphaba. When it it adds the finality to those relationships.

So now they're like, oh, well now I actually have to move on with my life. Does them not being together at any point of the movie until they are together feel excruciating to you? Is it is it a delightful excruciating? What do you mean? Like, are you like just get together.

Just get together. Like, does it start to drive you crazy in a way? In a good way or a bad way? Yeah. I think so.

Like, you enjoy the nice, fun lightness of the friendship Mhmm. After the bookstore and until that first New Year's Eve. Right? Like, it's nice and it's fun and whatever and, like, we're ignoring the elephant in the room. Like Mhmm.

No one really I mean, the elephant's maybe in the room, but we haven't noticed that he's hanging out in the corner, like, lurking. Mhmm. And then we know the elephant is there with that 1st New Year's Eve. And I think then it gets excruciating as a viewer because it's like, hey, you always know that they're supposed to be together, but, like, it doesn't really click until they both kind of have that, oh, shit moment where you see both of their faces on New Year's. And then it becomes really painful of, like, this whole thing of, like, you just wanna be, like, can you just get your shit together and be together?

Like, this is so dumb that we're having that we go on to have this huge fight and we're not talking to each other. Yeah. Well, and in that New Year's Eve and that dance, and they both look so great in their cheek to cheek, like, you know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it. So can a kiss if you mean it. Like, they both feel that, like, this can never be, I think, in that New Year's Eve moment.

It starts to get excruciating for me here with the win, loser, draw, like, where they have the random like, Julian comes, and I think Harry's younger girlfriend comes. And I'm like, just at least try. And but I like that. I feel that. I like it.

But it's also, like, if you're really good friends with someone, and then the idea of crossing that line and, like, potentially losing your friend is also a really terrifying thing. Sure. But you you sometimes you have to have sex to save the friendship. Sex to save the friendship. When Meg Ryan, now she knows Joe's getting married and calls Harry over, he's got that dope fucking cable knit on, and she is throwing the Kleenex like he was spitting the grapes earlier in the movie.

Like, she's just kinda tossing them everywhere, crying. And everybody's growing up. This is where it hits me. The lighting in this movie is unbelievable. Mhmm.

The the It's not where I thought you were going, Piss. But okay. Tone that the lighting creates when they're outside, inside, how they're feeling, what's happening. Like, the the shading of the movie kinda I'm like, oh, this has been doing this to me with lighting to some degree. I almost think a movie like this is harder to shoot in an interesting way.

And I think they do a really good job. That first car scene, it's like, how did you make this so dynamic? Filmmaker that I just thought of who I think likes this movie a lot is Noah Bumbach. Oh, I hope so. I I feel like his movies, in a similar way, follow, like, that he he follows in the footsteps that this created I don't remember a scene with kid jerking off into a book in this movie.

Oh, you should look harder. Okay. Maybe it's a In the bookstore in the background? Squid and the whale. Squid and the whale.

That was Gerald Ford's son. Different son. Other son. It wasn't Joe. It was Joe Bob.

Oh, no. So the Eric Trump. The kid? The kiss? The first kiss that Harry and Sally have, like, that when they unconsciously, like, peck Yeah.

And it takes them both a second to realize they kissed, it took me a second too. Like, it's a it felt so normal that it, like, passed me by that they peck for, like, a quarter of a second. I was like, that's the first time they've kissed. Holy shit. They kiss on New Year's, though.

Like, that they kiss, like, romantically though. Like, no. She's crying over Joe, and she's crying on his cable knit, and he they they share a kiss, and then they really kiss. It takes them, like, a second, I feel, to, like, realize, like, oh, we just kissed. Like, okay.

I'm into this. You're yeah. We're into this. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. But then they fall into their same old shitty patterns of he after they fuck. Yeah. In terms of patterns, Sally has a movie rolodex of the movies she owns, the genres, they're alphabetized. Did Sally come up with Letterboxd?

There's a woman after my own heart. I mean, it's pretty awesome that she has that. I think it's fucking great. I wish I had that. It's so good.

Like, she's she's witted. I got a bunch of movies, though. You do. It's true. Are they alphabetized?

No. So fucking Harry doesn't wanna alphabetize his fucking movies. And he leaves his foot outside of the bed after they fuck to basically, I think, symbolize, like, he's not really in this. He's got a foot out of the bed. He's still liable to bounce.

And he does in the morning. He's out of there. And that's where we get the four way phone call, which is great. Ugh. But I think this is the moment where I'm really annoyed by them, especially him.

Because I'm just like, dude, this is I mean, I get it. It was a moment of passion. The dinner or the post the post sex? Post sex. Yeah.

I just find, like, that behavior it also feels like very, like, then leave. And it's awful. It's horrible. No. It just really annoys me as a character trait.

When he says, I at 30 seconds after, I wanna get out the door. And the fact that he's treating her like he would anyone else. Even after everything they've been through. Everything. Anyone else, even after everything they've been through.

Have anything. The movie's so fucking effective at the I think that's the main thing this movie wants to do over anything else is in that one moment for you as the audience to be like, fuck you. And it does it so well. Yeah. And when they go to dinner and they both cave immediately like, this was a mistake.

Yeah. It was a mistake. Does she make a face like she's, like, disappointed that he doesn't stand up in that moment? Like, he doesn't say it wasn't a mistake? I think they're both after her.

I think they both don't want it to be a mistake. No. Right. Also, it's a very brave thing to say that you don't want it to be a mistake. Right?

Absolutely. Neither of them are brave enough in that moment Mhmm. To speak up and be like, okay, yeah, I was really shitty, or I shouldn't have left like that, or, like, oh, I Yeah. This actually is right. Like, they're not ready for that yet.

I swear she makes a face because when she says this was a mistake, and he goes, yes. It's totally a mistake. I swear she makes, like, a a because there's, like, a a level of, like, like, you were saying that she's she's little bit dumb. She wants him to be Yeah. She wants him to be She wants him to be and And she's very disappointed because he's given the opportunity to just be, like, no.

It wasn't a mistake. And that's what she wants, needs. Yeah. And the wedding dress shopping, and the crying, and how Harry and Sally brought them together. But when Meg Ryan fucking slaps him Deservably so.

100% deservedly. Yeah. Yeah. It's so satisfying. Like, no.

You're the dog. Boom. It's great. Yeah. Arguing over who's the dog that he started.

Yeah. But I do I do Wait. You're you're gonna end up with this guy? You're sure? Because then you start to doubt it.

Mike Wazowski. But he does we do get like beautiful eye. The, he does have a good eye. We do get a nice like, the I I I find the end of this movie very satisfying. I do.

Her dragging the tree by herself, repeating the beat of them taking the tree together, would anybody be romanced by any of these voice mails that he's leaving? 1, including when she's bringing the tree home. No. Because he's being obnoxious. Yeah.

Okay. I like how he's not I do wish he would just say, like, I'm not gonna give up. I love you. And just say it and be forward and not be obnoxious. Because he is being yeah.

That's how he would've saved himself. Right? Yeah. Like, if he had made the grand gesture sooner, then it would have saved all of us Yeah. A lot of misery.

But, you know, here we are. The sweet pain. I mean, he does Feel the sweet pain. He has to eat some humble pie, and he has to he has to grip a little bit at rock bottom Yeah. Of of realizing what it feels like to lose her.

Because he's too dumb to understand before that. I guess I I do like the end because I think, like, her when she when he when he finally kinda, like, comes to A decision. And runs and, like, classic It's great. New Year's Eve classic. Yeah.

And I think, like, that last moment feels very real because she doesn't she doesn't just go, oh, Harry and, like, kiss him. You know? Yeah. She gives it back to him a little bit. She does.

And she's like, what do you think? And you're just gonna come here on New Year's Eve? You're feeling sad and I'm supposed to accept that? Which I I really appreciate that that dialogue there. Me too.

When he finally says, I love you, I love you for your weird food orders, and I love you for your flatulence and your sexual hijinks and your high fastening pants and whatever he likes about her, her. And her response is literally, I hate you, which is true in a way because she she hates how much she loves him. Correct. Yeah. And it's very, very beautiful.

And you were talking about, Ben, about how natural it is. It's so natural for him to be like, I love you, and for her to be like, I hate you. And then for him to just be like, what's old acquaintance? Wait. Like, he just is like, okay.

Onto the next bit. Even that feels pretty real where he's just, like, onto, like, what's old acquaintance we forgot? What like, okay. I said I love you. Now I'm on to the next thing.

Well, I think that's also interest because of what I what I thought about that too is old acquaintance be forgot. If if that line wanna forget? Was true, they were like, they're started as acquaintances. And I think that that thematically from from from a writing point of view Mhmm. Tracks from the beginning where it's like, well, if we had just forgotten, then we would never be together, which I think is a really fun ending bookend.

This is one of the really, truly, really, really, really good scripts in terms of dialogue and pacing. I see why it was nominated. And and character payoffs. It's the nomination makes a crazy amount of sense. Yeah.

Wow. We did it. You did it. How do you feel, Kimbo? Wow.

Do you hate us? No. Okay. I I feel a little relieved. Okay.

That's good news. I'm gonna relieved. Okay. That's good news. I'm gonna guess your ranking of 5 has not changed.

No. Of course not. Did we have a a chance to change it at all? No. Not at all?

We tried. A little. Did we? Yeah. I I feel like we both pointed out some some I guess I tried.

Some things that we feel make this movie not flawless, right or wrong. Well, at least you tried. Give me a cake. Are you going down? It's it's hard to go down though.

On tequila sunrise? Sunrises go down. Are you sun setting? You're my child. My child.

I it's hard to go up from 4a half for me too. Really hard. That's normally the actual limit. Yeah. 4a half on a good day.

It's hard to go up or down. We had a really rousing conversation, and I really enjoyed this movie. And I hold it in a really high regard. When we were talking about the specificness of of 5 star movies, it either has to hit a really, really, really smallish niche if it's not something that's just, like, a masterpiece of filmmaking. Something that, like, just Jaws.

Yeah. Is beyond 2,001, whatever it is. Yeah. But I also gave 5 stars till They Came Together. Mhmm.

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do hold this still in a 4a half.

This is maybe outside goat rom com for me. I prefer it to Joe versus the Volcano. I prefer it to all the Sandy Bullocks we've mentioned. Joe versus the Volcano. That is a Meg Ryan, Tom Hanks movie.

Yeah. That's the first one they did together. Oh. I hold this in such a high regard. I think the main thing outside of kind of as grating as they can be with obnoxiousness and stuff, as somebody who's particularly obnoxious, to be like, you're obnoxious.

It's like, woah. But the age thing. Like the big thing with Billy Crystal is like you're clearly like a 40 or 50 year old man. Clearly. Like clearly you're actor Willem Dafoe.

Obviously. Let's say he's not Willem Dafoe. No. But I guess, like, that and a couple other things that I just mentioned, I'm a little like, it's not quite a 5, but it's damn fucking good movie. I I think this movie is really, really special and wonderful, and everyone should watch it.

Yeah. The human dynamics of it are are are represented so wonderfully. What did you say your score was at the beginning? A 4 You didn't change. I went I went from a 4 before rewatching yesterday.

I rewatched yesterday, 4a half don't fuck with me t shirts. I'm staying at 4a half don't fuck with me t shirts. Okay. It's very good. You guys you guys tried pretty hard to get me up.

Oh. You tried. You tried. And I think that you succeeded. We're at 4 Yes.

Wagon wheel coffee table. Yes. Wow. It's so well written. It is.

The script's great. I still do find these characters obnoxious, but it's purposeful, and it adds to the story. So, yeah, I think it's, I highly recommend this movie. Thank you for bringing it to us, Kimbo. You're so welcome.

It's mostly the writing. I'd love you to expound a tiny bit about I mean, I think the script is pretty airtight. I don't think there's any gaps in the script. I think it's all purposeful. I think every character is really like I said, like, the foil characters are the best friends are really good at pulling out the what's wrong with the main characters Mhmm.

And really sort of, like, highlighting that so that they can get over it or, you know, just come together. And I think that like the performances On demand. Toys. There's nothing wrong with there's just not a lot wrong with this movie. It's super fun.

I'm not a huge rom com guy. Yeah. I was just actually like as we were talking, I, like, looked at glanced at my library because I wanted to see if I had any. And I was, like, oh, I I have Forgetting Sarah Marshall. That might be the closest, but that's more of a comedy.

Yeah. So, you know, it's it's not a genre I dislike. You get Transformers Revenge of the Fallen up there. You got Super Mario Bros up there. Thank you for leaving me those puns.

You got Moulin Rouge up there? Moulin Rouge I would call him. No no. No. I didn't leave that.

Nope. Nope. So I'm sitting at 4 wagon wheel coffee tables. Okay? Oh, I'm so happy.

Just so you know, if we ever do separate podcasts, you get to keep that fucking table. I don't want that table. Alright. Okay? You get to keep it forever.

I promise. Thank you so much for being here, Kimbo. Thank you for having me. That was great. Thank you for the poll the bravery of of taking on the the episode for the poll.

Thank you. For the people. I wanna thank Jamie Henwood who does our book and themes. Oh. Yeah.

I'd like to thank Matthew Foskett. How are we doing? What are we watching? Chris Olds and myself for fun facts. Ben Yeah.

You do some of the interstitials on this, do you not? I do. I do feel Holy shit. Please tune into Goodpods or anywhere you listen to podcasts. Share with your friends.

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Don't worry about Kimbo's Letterboxd. Mind your own fucking business. Thank you so so so so so much. Stay, obnoxious, please. And keep up the sexual hijinks.

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