Point Break / 100% Pure AdLENOline (Guest: David Parke)

Take a totally tubular ride through LA with us, and returning guest @davidparke, for his choice “Point Break.” (1991 d. Bigelow). Starring: Patrick Swayze (RIP), Keanu Reeves, and Gary Busey. We ponder if this is the ultimate “Mann on Menn Melodrama” - the Mann? We discuss the power, the grace, the charm, and why we’re so “crazy 4 Swayze.” The regular scheduled appearance of Jay L at his club, and this podcast. And the greatness of the taller Keanu pictures. 3/5!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Let me open up the, the accompanying doc, but I think I I think I'm There are I like that. They're my company doc. A company company. I think we've changed a few things maybe. Like I like the way I heard it.

Okay. Company doc. Like, we're very official. No. We're Thank you.

There's nothing professional about what we're doing. Oh, the cat's gotta poop Zoom. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the review review. This is a movie podcast.

I am one of your hosts. My name is Ben. My name is Paul. I am also one of your regular hosts. And we have a guest today, a returning guest.

We have mister David Park. Hello. Hello. Returning from a season one pod audio appearance with the delightful Al Al Allen? Al Allen.

Allen. Albert Brooks film defending your life. Straight back from, Judgment City. Straight out of Judgment. I hadn't seen that movie when you brought it, and then it's come up so many times now in conversation.

Like, it's like, my brother is obsessed with that movie. It's one of the things he, like, based his book on that he wrote, like, has inspired him to write that book. So it, like, Wild stuff. But I've just got an animal howling at me. So I'm mildly distracted.

We, yeah. I can hear her back there. David brought us point break. Oh, I'm so excited. We all watched the remake.

Right? The 2018 remake about the Of course. Okay. Directed by Oliver list. Megatron?

Yeah. I looked up the cast list hoping it would, like, inspire me to look at it. And outside of a couple cameos from the original tertiary members of the surf crew in the first movie Like Lee Turchison, maybe? No. Lee Turchison was not one of those people.

No. Lee Turchison, who I love from, obviously, Wayne's World, but also from Weird Science the TV show. Oh. He played, Chet. Hey, man.

The brother. Hey, man. I love you. Thanks for mentioning that. I know.

I'm gonna go over the concept of this podcast super, super fast. We take a movie that's seven years old or older that's brought to us by a fabulous guest. That movie is something that the guests can speak about ad nauseum. They feel very passionate about one way or another, or would like to, we come in with ratings and feelings and we talk about it and we end with a final rating. The reason why I wanted to go over the concept, This is from my we got to do this on this podcast list.

And as we talked about this with defending your life, didn't we? Or when we all met when David dropped in, parachuted in for defending your life and saved our asses. Like, did did we not talk about the lawnmower scene of this movie? We did some point. Talk about it.

Yeah. David and I at least did. I had a tie to it because I think I had only just watched Point Break maybe a year before we met for the first time. Oh. And you guys were, like, going on about how much you loved it.

And I thought it was, like, silly that I liked it as much as I did, but I feel more and more justified about it. And then, yeah, I think I had mentioned to my dad specifically because there was the lawnmower scene, and I probably told this story on that episode of the pod, but it's Tell it again. Pressure here, is my dad owned a lawnmower shop in Hawthorne. So growing up, he did a bunch of stuff for Lawnmower Man and another Keanu Reeves film, Speed. There was they went and shot some of the bus speeding down.

The bus that wouldn't slow down? That's right. It's not just a clever name. And, and there was a scene that it didn't make the final cut, but the bus there's a trash truck backing out of a driveway on Imperial Highway, and the bus has to swerve. I think they reshot that, like, later at a different part in LA, but they did do a a take of it on Imperial Highway near my dad because he was near the 105 Freeway at the time, which is where most of that movie was shot.

So, anyway, he did a bunch of lawnmower stuff, and he had told me he built three lawnmowers for Point Break. One was a practical wool. Practical one that was being used, one with a rubber blade, and one that had to blow up that got shot by the bullet. So, yeah. Cool.

Yeah. It's such a, like, you know, a weird, dumb, but very cool if you like the movie. Connection too. Connection. Yeah.

I wanna say too because you mentioned Speed. I feel like people dog on Keanu. Me too. At times. Speed so Speed was like I had a bunch of favorite movies growing up.

One of them that still is today is Back to the Future. The second being Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures. So I already bought Keanu Reeves. Yeah. And then when Speed came out, because it was around the 105 Freeway and that was where I grew up, it was a big deal.

My dad let me watch it. And that quickly became one of my favorite movies, not only because it was just awesome, but also because Keanu Reeves was in it, and this is, like, the guy I know from Bill and Ted. So this was like I have these, like, blind spot moments of pop culture from when I was a kid. And every now and again, you come across one of those things that makes you feel like you're that age when it had come out again. And watching Point Break did that for me in the sense of, like, I'm mad that I didn't watch this when I was a kid, but it feels like I did.

And I feel like I'm That's awesome. How old was I? Yeah. I was like six when this came out. But, like, you know what I mean?

Like What a cool shot of, like, false nostalgia or whatever. Yeah. Like, that's kinda beautiful. I love that. I just wanted to say about Keanu Reeves too.

Like, as as some people, I guess this is the way I see it. Can't stand the inflection or deal with the inflection of this actor who clearly does really good work in a lot of things. Imagine somebody's not a big movie fan. They've seen a couple hundred movies. They're not super into movies, but you're like, cool.

Watch Bill and Ted, Speed, Point Break, The Matrix. I there are a couple others in there, and people are gonna be like, John Wick. They're gonna be like, this guy's the fucking greatest thing that's ever happened to the movies ever. What are you trying to tell me? It just, you know, it depends on what you like to watch and etcetera.

People lean in on as being the best pianu. Like Okay. Yeah. At least Ralph Garman, who was a radio host I grew up listening to here in LA, he was the entertainment reporter on the Kevin and Bean Show, and I still follow Ralph. But every time he brings up Keanu, he specifically brings up Little Buddha, which I've never seen, but it must have a particularly bad performance from him.

Also also also don't watch Much Ado About Nothing, Kenneth Branagh. Ben, that's a that's an excellent point for so many reasons about that movie. It's an acquired thing. The Francis Ford Coppola Dracula. Love that movie.

I hear it. Yeah. Love that performance. Apparently, part of the reason Coppola kept him because he was like, I just love him. He tries so hard.

I know the accents, like, is what it is, but, like, he's amazing. I just love him. And the movie is so bananas that, like, it all just works somehow for me. Yeah. I I love it.

They covered that on Back to the Blockbuster, and it made me laugh because I hadn't seen it. And I think Gay has also really talked about how, like, Keanu gives a bad rap, but he's pretty good in the movie. I hate to I hate to break up this Keanu love fest. I know. We had to talk about it.

I have to ask one of you what you've been doing. David, why don't you get us started? What you've been doing? What you've been up to? I last month, we we had to postpone the recording because of all the fires that were going on here in LA.

Mhmm. And, we packed the car, like, twice and ended up leaving town and getting out of Dodge. We went to Phoenix, visited some family, went horseback riding, went hiking just to get outside and away from it. Now cold and rainy here in LA's. Love it.

Hate to be that guy, but we needed it. And tomorrow, I'm really excited. I'm going to see Blink and Alkaline Trio at the place. Oh, wow. That's amazing.

One side is movies for me, and the other side is Blanchett too. And that's like Very chill. It's like my big personality trait. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that.

It should be a good show. And that's specifically the reason I bring it up is a relief show for firefighters, the victims of the fires, and specifically, they're raising money for the inmate firefighters that are Excellent. That don't end up having that career option when they get out Mhmm. Because they're felons. They have their they have a fund that is being donated to by this, the funds raised from the show.

So You can if you can just give that to Paul email, he can put it in the Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Because yeah. I mean, recidivism is a big deal, and the show will be in the past when the when this comes out, but the the charities won't.

And there's a big there's a there's a list of five or six charities that, the bands are giving the proceeds for the show. So it should be a good time. Yeah. What So it's good to feel like we're giving back a little bit. And it's gonna be my favorite band, and Matt Skiba's gonna be there with Alkaline Trio.

And I don't know if you guys know, but Matt was in Bling for a little bit. So it's kind of a big deal that now both bands are playing together, and no one knows what's gonna happen at the show. So That's pretty cool. Oh, kinda like Swayze and Keanu coming together. You can't imagine what's gonna happen.

Yee. The excitement. Right? Obviously, this is Paul from The Edit. I know you like to look at Just gonna mention a couple of the charities.

David is talking about. One of the several is the Anti Recidivism Coalition. You can get information about this organization, donate, etcetera at antirecidivism.org. Also, to the Pasadena Humane Society for our furry pals. Pasadenahumane.org.

Back to the program? That sounds fun. That's fantastic. I've been reading. I learned You know you know how to oh.

I learned recently. Wow. Which has been wild. I watched the movie Stargate and I was like, oh, that's what I the reading and writing thing is the thing that they've been keeping from me. Okay.

So I'm reading this Chuck Palahniuk book called Damned that I've never read before that I'm several chapters into. I'm enjoying it. I really love Chuck Palahniuk in general. It's an acquired taste. A lot of people love the movie Fight Club for instance, but maybe haven't read the book.

I think Ben and I have talked about this. It's like it's a book that's not super adaptable as is. It's it's so great as a movie. It's so great as a book. They're very different things.

Mhmm. But I, you know, I love Lullaby and Survivor. And this is Damned is just such a strange story about, an experience a trip through hell would be like Hello, everybody. Welcome to the review review. Some other version of Dante or what have you.

So it's, it's been a wild ride, but I've enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to finishing it. Do his books have through lines? Are there characters that appear in multiple No. Not books?

No? Okay. No. Not really. Not that I've and I haven't read the entire oeuvre, but that no.

That's more like, I know Brett East Nellis does that, I think. Right? Because he has characters that overlap, I think. But I always get those two sometimes read. Sometimes their books are are very yeah.

Rules of attraction. Anyway. Hey. What have you been up to? I have been going back to the gym.

Schwarzenegger. Look at you go. Screen here riding towards the camera. It's a cliche thing to do right now. It's New Year, new me, whole shebang.

Hey, bro. We're post Super Bowl. Strips. Yeah. Okay.

Starts now. I've been trying to just trying to rebuild the routine Mhmm. Because I got away from it. And so it it is one of those things that you just have to you just have to fucking do it. And sometimes because the way I get myself to do it is I just pack my gym clothes Yeah.

With my work with my work bag. And then I'm like, well, I have them and I have time. Like, yesterday, I pulled into the parking lot of the gym. It's almost like some, like, 50 year old married guy at a strip club, like, waiting if he's gonna go inside. Like, I was just sitting in my sitting in my car.

Wedding band, like Yeah. Just sitting in the car. The waiting room of a strip club waiting to buy a new vape. And I, like, turned the I turned the car back on. I was like, nah, I'm just gonna go home.

And then I went, fuck. No. I'm already parked. Just fucking go inside and do it. And so the one thing about the gym that if you ever start to get an ounce of faith in in Don't.

The Give up now. In the male gender, you should you should not. You should go to a gym. Just go to a gym and and witness. It's it's just human examples.

Yeah. It makes you feel better about yourself or worse? Me? About me? I feel I feel like I've been I've been gymming so I think it's just that I I observe this behavior The human condition.

And especially because for some reason, I think my gym is near a high school. So if after work, which I work at a school, it's typically when a lot of, like, high school age boys are there. Yeah. In groups, it's it's not it doesn't yeah. It doesn't fill me with a lot of arrogance of youth.

Yeah. Okay. But that's just that's just me. Oh, you're you're overall having an okay time. Like, you're forcing yourself you're you're trying to get the habit going again.

Yeah. Put your headphones on. You put your head down. You do your work, and you don't talk to anybody. Oh, we're through.

It's like going to jail. What? Go on? I don't know. What have you been watching now?

Severance. Yes. Oh, sure. Squid Game. Yep.

Shrinking. Yeah. And Dateline, specifically Keith Morrison episode. Will you please expound on only that specific thing you said last? Dateline episodes with Keith Morrison?

Yeah. So I've loved Keith's voice forever, and then Bill Hader's impression on SNL was just great. And then no shit. One time, I'm driving the kids to the library here in Studio City, and I stopped the car almost right in the middle of, Moorpark Street. And I'm like, Suzanne, it's Keith Morrison.

And he was just talking his dog on Moorpark, like, right here in Studio City. Morrison on Moorpark. So I took a picture, a long lens picture with my phone and sent it to a friend. And I was like, it's Keith Morrison. You could just see his white hair, like, on a corner, like, two blocks away.

I was very excited. But anyway yeah. I just It wasn't Phil Donahue for certain? No. It was for sure.

Okay. Yeah. His his storytelling the the way he talks about murder, like, it's a bedtime story is just so intriguing. So Oh. Just a big fan.

And then they found she died. Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll walk in the house, and I'll see someone watching Dateline, and I won't even know who the host is yet. I'll just go, oh, yes.

Ben, you or me? Dateline. Either way, man. Go for it, Paul. You know, you were talking about spending time in jail, which is something that I'm what?

But I have been watching a very short one season right now waiting for a second season. The first season of the Vince Staples show, in one of the episodes he ends up in jail. It's really funny. It's like a dramedy, a heightened version of Vince Staples, the rapper, actor, writer, entertainer, who plays kind of a heightened version of himself and the situations that he gets into where people are like, you're Vince Staples. Right?

And just how that goes for him. And for instance, like, one of them is, like, in a bank robbery where the robbers are like, hey, Vince Staples. And he's like, oh, hey. What's up? And how these situations go for him just being a known person, in life.

And the hijinks ensue. It's very enjoyable. Short episodes, tiny season. I'm who the hell is Vince Staples? He's a rapper, actor, writer, entertainer.

I there's I don't know how to explain it. A music artist. Are you gaslighting me? Are you gaslighting us? I've never heard of this person before.

This is literally part of the show is a bunch of guys being, like, one of them being, like, who's Vince Staples? And people trying to prove who he is to each other. Not seen Dave, but it sounds like you're describing that show. I haven't seen Dave, but I'm almost certain you're right. Because that's Lil Dicky who's around.

Yeah. Sure. She plays a heightened version of himself, but I don't know a ton more about it. But everything you said sounds like, oh, it sounds like that other show. Oh.

This is the Pepsi to that Coke. Or the other way around. I don't know. I haven't seen any of the other program. This is a Coca Cola household.

Not into the number two soda around here. Utah. Give me two. Could you can you imagine, like, some twos. Like, going over to our friend's house in high school and their parents just being like, this is a Pepsi household.

We only drink Pepsi. Like, you open their garage that we only had diet. And whatever was on the tab. Yeah. Oh, man.

I got tab once because of back to the future, and I was so disappointed. Oh, yeah. You couldn't get a Pepsi free? Sucked. It sucked.

Get out of my way, kid. You want a Pepsi, you gotta pay for it. I What a movie. What a film. Took myself, like I said I would, I took myself to see The Brutalist in the theater.

Good for you. It's still not hit the torrent sites that I wouldn't know anything about, but yeah. What is a what now? I don't How was it? Is it great?

Did you see it on film? I did. I saw it in 70 millimeter, which Woah. Cool. Was the right way to see it.

I was really happy I saw it that way. I really liked it. I thought it was good. I it's not my favorite movie of the year. It's it's incredible, and it's very prevalent.

Crazy that they made it for $10,000,000 blows my mind. But, you know, it's an immigrant story about architecture and someone who is incredibly creative and the the millionaire person who can't who wants to be him. And that's sort of, like, very very, like, relevant story right now. And, performances are great. It's good.

Okay. That director was in one of the movies I almost chose for this week, which is one of the worst is yes. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I've never walked out of the movie theaters, but that's one of two that I almost walked out of. Holy shit.

Movie 13. The movie 13. I saw that when I was in high school. It's, it's pretty gross. Okay.

I just remember Holly Hunter was in it. I don't even remember that much. I only remembered that, he was in it because somebody brought it up, and I was like, oh, that would be I I when I saw him at whatever award show, I was like, holy shit. When I kinda went down the rabbit hole and letterboxed, but it was just crazy to yeah. It'd be crazy to rewatch that movie now.

We should not talk about 13, but we should talk about It was only because it almost it was almost chosen by me as a movie I feel passionately one way or the other about. That's great. Yeah. But we should talk about some facts. Facts.

Let's do it. Archaeology is the search for facts. So this movie is called Point Break, not to be confused with a different movie called Point Break. See, ours goes boom, doom, doom, chikadoon, doom, ding. There's doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.

Like, it's totally different. Wait. Are you talking about Fast and the Furious? The first one? Forget about it, k.

No. I'm talking about no man's land. What are you? Are you No. This was brought to us by Largo Filmed Entertainment in conjunction with JVC, who must have been like they were like, we're coming after you, Sony.

We're getting into movie biz. Watch us go. Point break. Was distributed by twentieth Century Fox in Johnny Utah productions. That was a real LLC opened to produce this movie.

It is absolutely rated r, and it's from 1991. It's two hours and two minutes. Our second movie in a row that's two hours and two minutes. Utah. Give me two.

Two. That's happened. What what what was the first movie? Utah. Give me two.

Two. Two. Give me two. Utah. Our previous movie was awesome.

Give me two. Best. The budget on this movie was $24,000,000. Adjusted, that's $55,500,000, Bunjaman. 50 5.

Opening weekend for this film in The US was 07/14/1991. It made $8,500,000. Adjusted, that is 19.6. Final gross in North America was 43.2. Made some cash.

Adjusted, that's a hundred million dollars. Final gross worldwide, very good worldwide performer, 83.5 ending at $1.93.4. Other releases this weekend, boys in the hood and the Harrison Ford starrer regarding Henry. What's that? Weekend top five.

I think it's about Henry. I think JJ Abrams maybe had something to do with it or something. There's, like, some weird trivia fact about that movie. Cool. It's not cool.

Weekend top five, Terminator two, Judgment Day, 101 Dalmatians on a rerelease, Boyz n the Hood. This movie and Naked Gun, what says twenty one two, the smell of fear. Naked Gun two and a half, the smell of fear. Real quick. Okay.

This might be fake, but I looked up coming movies, like, upcoming movies, and it said naked like, a new Naked Gun movie. Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson. Pam Anderson, I think.

I'm a funny guy. What? He wants to do some improvisational comedy. No. I you know, Leslie Nielsen, Liam Neeson.

I just I have a lot of Leslie Nielsen is a perfect straight man. He was amazing. Sure. It on paper, it seems very crazy. That's probably why Steven Spielberg cast me as Oscar Schindler Schindler's List.

I said, Steven, I make lists all the time. I don't disagree, but I do wanna see it. Other films from 1991, Sleeping with the Enemy, Backdraft, Hot Shots, New Jack City, kindergarten cop, please someone, Bill and Ted's bogus journey, big year for Keanu. Big Keanu year here. Hudson Hawk, toy soldiers, and the classic Out for Justice.

Letterboxed average on this film is 3.7. Follow us, won't you? I'm at run b m c on Letterboxed. I'm at Paul acts badly. Siskel and Ebert were Wait.

Why did you pass David has a Letterboxed? How rude what it is. I mean, it's probably at David Park With An E at the end. I think that's right. They can find you that way anyway.

I was gonna say Ben. Thank you. Follow Ben. Paul. You'll find me in there.

To go. But way to go, Ben. Seriously. I'm just saying. You're right, though.

Yeah. David's here. He has a letterbox. I'm just so I'm in the zone, man. I'm in my fucking zone.

Sysco and Ebert, they were split. Sysco with the down, of course. Rotten Tomatoes, 70%. Popcorn meter was 79. Metacritic, 67.4 user.

Major award wins and nominations. This was an MTV Movie Awards most desirable male double nomination for Reeves and Swayze. Reeves with the win, a tie with Bob Hoskins. Reeves over Swayze is mind blowing to me. Patrick Swayze Patrick Swayze is like this, like, oozes attractive energy.

The ultimate male. Yeah. But Except Will Farley. He was Chris Farley. New on this newer on the scene.

Patrick Swayze had been on the scene for ten years at that point. That's true. Yeah. He's pretty established. Alright.

Wait up. Splitting hairs with the MTV Movie Awards, though. Okay. Yeah. We're coming after people tonight.

Fuck it. Feeling punchy. Feeling punchy to me. Fucking. I'm feeling punchy.

Don't act mentally irregular. Okay? Director of this movie. Look. I am pounding these athletic, nonalcoholic gears.

Alright? We'll see what happens. You're an animal. You're an animal rock. Drunk this episode brought to you by drunk uncles in recovery.

Drunk uncles in recovery. It's athletic. You poured a whole flask of vodka in there. Director of this movie is Kathryn Bigelow. Detroit, Near Dark, Zero Dark 30, writers, Rick King, Hard Choices, Hot Shot, w Peter Ilf, I guess.

Is this person's name? He wrote Patriot Games Varsity Blues. I mean, his name that starts with a lower his last name does not start with a lowercase I. So But you it would have looked like Peter. The director I have to get through this.

The director of photography is Donald Peterman, r I p. Flashdance, Get Shorty, Cocoon. Those are some great looking movies. Music, Mark Isham, forty two, The Hitcher, Cool World. Producers, Peter Abrams, Serendipity, Old Dogs, James Cameron, Alita Battle Angel, and Strange Days, of course, several other people.

In this movie, Patrick Szezy, RIP. This is our third Swayze. Yeah. Swayze Days, baby. I'm gonna tell you something else.

Go back and listen to our Swayze episodes, Roadhouse as well as Too Wong Foo. Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar. Yeah. Great movies and great episodes. I'll never be home.

Also in Black Dog, The Outsiders, Keanu Reeves plays FBI agent Johnny Utah. Also, having a state in your name just immediately makes you cooler as someone who's obsessed with Indiana Jones. Yeah. I agree. Can we all do our best?

I'm an FBI agent. I am an FBI agent. That was solid. Yeah. I am an FBI agent.

Get real, Bodhi. I am an FBI agent. You went you went really California with it. Yeah. I tried.

Yeah. I pushed. I'm not I'm not feeling I'm gonna give it to David. That was pretty solid. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I agree. He was also in Pheeling, Minnesota, Johnny Mnemonic, do Mnemonic, and Sonic three as well as many other things. Gary Busey, butter sausage.

Get the butter. Let's talk about butter sausage. David, have you seen this? No. I was I was looking at how you didn't have rookie of the year as part of his problem.

Good call. The Daniel Stern film rookie of the year. You are gonna hear a couple the best saucepore steak I've ever had in my life. You're gonna hear a couple of fucking wild sound bites back to back momentarily here. One more.

It's exciting for you. One more. Bushwhacked anyone? Yeah. Oh, man.

One more. Back boys. Golden arches. There's this, I think it's a fake it's like a comedian pretending to be Gary Busey interview where he is like it's supposed to be an interview about real estate. We've mentioned it on this podcast before.

Oh, yeah. But then Gary but then he just says, like, oh, I'll talk about butter sausage. It's It's like, what? He's like, I put butter on the sausage and I put it I'm gonna put a touch of my lips. And it's just like it's in the state.

He just clicks it off the the comedian estate the real estate guy. Okay. He was also in the Buddy Holly story, Lethal Weapon Bulletproof. Your worst nightmare, Butthorn. The band.

Yeah. Laurie Petty plays Tyler, tank girl, Free Willy, A League of Their Own. Listen to our League of Their Own episode, please. Do it. John John c McGinley plays Harp, Seven, Alex Cross on deadly ground and famously in scrubs.

Yeah, buddy. Which I hear they're rebooting. They are. It's coming back. Oh, yeah.

No. The first special or or, like, at least, like, a miniatura season or something. Yeah. And I wanna make sure that we mention Michael Caine, Maurice Micklewhite himself, was a costar in Odd Deathly Ground. It's important that people remember that.

I like that you wrote costarring Maurice Mickle with a period as if you couldn't spend the extra letters to write. The lot the whole line? No. And that everybody would know, like, oh, of course, that's short for Maurice Mickleway. Maurice Mickle.

That's mostly a reminder for myself ish. It wasn't. It wasn't. This is it has me reading this. I know.

You know what I mean? I try to think about other people for once, you fucking jerk. I read it as it's written on the teleprompter. Alright. Keep going, Ben.

James LaGrosse plays Roach, drugstore cowboy, Zodiac. Good movie. Night Moves. And he was also in the remake. He was one of the campers.

Okay. Got it. Oh, okay. I actually did watch the remake, and we'll get there. John Philbin plays Nathaniel, Children of the Korn, Soul Surfer, Leviathan, Beau Jesse Christopher plays Gromit, Reach, Sable, and point break twenty fifteen.

There you go. Yeah. Here's the other one. Julian Reyes plays Alvarez, suspect zero Baja, Alligator two mutation. That's those are some winners right there.

You gotta you gotta work with what you got. Look. I auditioned for alligator too, the mutation. And I somehow you're available for this which is crazy. You mutated on me, you son of a bitch.

Again. You did it again. I didn't realize that your DNA came from frogs that could change their sexes at will. Oh, is this one of those, Asylum Park scenarios. It's the it's the it's the asylum one, though.

It's called, like Right. Tyrannosaurus park. Bork. Asylum. And it makes dog noises.

I just remember working at Hollywood, and there'd be, you know, there'd be the movie, like, Transformers and then next to it, like, a three rows of Transmorphers and it's an asylum. Yeah. And then, like, Timmy's grandma would, like, I'm gonna get this for my grandson. And we have to be, like, you know, this is not the movie that you think it might be. Well, I always I would just get really excited and let them take it anyway.

Like, that'll be fun later. The post production bible that I use, I had a buddy that worked at asylum, and I was like, can you send me your guys post workflow doc? And it was this great well written document, And I based my post production bible is based on the asylum post workflow because it was really well written. I love all these little minutia that this is also, like, our most LA centric episode, I think, so far. Yeah.

I think we've got also cross streets and Yeah. More park and I got cold water off the 101. True road fun facts? Oh, true. Oh, I just mean, like, the way we're talking.

Oh, okay. There's so many LA details, like like Big Lebowski. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Alright, David.

Fun facts. Same matter can occupy some space. Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time.

I'm still kicking. I must be on Broadway. Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is in this picture along with Tom Sizemore. I think my dad did a movie, one of, like, Tom Sizemore's last movies. And it was, like, you know, basically an asylum picture.

No one saw it. It was straight to streaming. And then stunt legend, Jeff Imada. They all appear in small roles in this film. Anthony Kiedis pops up in for some re I feel like I had never seen this movie before.

And I was like, I feel like Anthony Kiedis is about to pop up. And sure enough, he did. Like, I don't know. There's nothing about that scene that's just like it's like the most Wes Anderson framing. Kathryn Bigelow directed the shit out of this movie.

There's so many great shots. This scene in particular, like, everything, it's like that seventies show. Remember when the camera would be on the lazy Susan in the middle when they're all smoking weed at the table? Oh, yeah. It it's very much like that where, like, you're Johnny's POV and you're turning around, and then everybody's just dead center frame.

And I don't know. Anthony Kiedis' face in that scene is pretty good. Tom Sizemore in that It is that kid is that that camera thing, though, that's really funny in that before the fight or what it is. Yeah. Sorry.

His head's on a swivel, man. Yeah. It's great. Tom Sizemore as the, as the the undercover agent. Yeah.

He's been working his case for fucking three months or whatever the fuck he was doing. And Jeff Amata who is Jeff Amata in this? He he gets burned at the gas station. Classic. Oh, yes.

Great scene. Patrick Swayze was an accomplished sky diver. This was my favorite thing. I I look I So cool. There's so many great the whole time I'm watching this movie, I'm like, this is so fun.

And Kathryn Bigelow just knew how to shoot it. And the skydiving scenes were so well done. And Swayze, man. Swayze. Grab my iPad and be like, were were they skydiving?

Diving? And there is some cool stuff, but yeah. A lot of it is. Yeah. Yeah.

He actively took part in 55 jumps for the film. He was, however, not allowed to jump for pleasure outside of the shoot during filming. Much to the producer's dismay, a shot of Bodhi yelling, adios amigo. Let's hear your, best adios, amigo. And, adios, amigo.

Nice. Adios, amigo. Fall backwards. Catch me, sand. That's when he jumps from the plane.

It's the last, parachuting scene. Yeah. Features Swayze actually making a jump despite their wishes. Swayze also refused to use stunt doubles for fighting, surfing, or driving scenes. Because of course I read because of course.

He absconded with the stunt team and was doing skydiving jumps after filming anyway. Right. Mhmm. Keanu Reeves spent weeks shadowing real FBI agents on the job as well as practicing with UCLA quarterback coaches who eventually consulted on the NFL, on the NFL, on the football scene. Reeves is six one and approximately one hundred and eighty five pounds at the time of filming.

It's, like, not a small dude. No. Yeah. He was 25 and I yeah. He he didn't have a great throw.

Yeah. His faith was okay though. There's those great, Instagram reels where it's like when you're watching a movie with, people playing football that have never played football in their lives. Yeah. I read this was he was an accomplished hockey player, and he had a knee injury.

And then Swayze also had a knee injury, both of which got into acting because of their knee injury. I think one or both of them were in the movie Youngblood, which is a movie about hockey, like, to some degree. Yeah. That was my nickname with a no. It was.

I was I I had doing theater, you end up making friends with people that are way older than you, especially when you're a kid. And I would hang out with this dude and his friends who were, like, ten, fifteen years older than me, and they just nicknamed me Youngblood, specifically because of that movie. Have you ever met Jay Leno? No. But I I, I'll I'll tell you this for free.

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K. Anytime I pass by some crazy car on cold water, it's usually Jay. K. James Catherine, James Cameron and Kathryn Bigelow performed the final, uncredited rewrite on the script. And, yeah, how apropos that, t two was also one of the big films k.

That weekend. K. Mhmm. Yeah. This was a good list here.

This is a solid lineup. Matthew Broderick, Johnny Depp, Charlie Sheen, Willem Dafoe, and Val Kilmer were considered for Johnny Utah. Kathryn Bigelow threatened to walk if Keanu Reeves wasn't given the role. Just like Francis. Yeah.

Any of those would have been rad. Willem Dafoe I can't imagine any of them. I mean, I'd be like, are you an undercover FBI agent or are you famous actor Willem Dafoe? Clearly clearly, you're 33 year old famous actor and longtime smoker, Willem Dafoe. It's a pleasure to meet you.

You know, I'm something of a surfer myself. As well as an FBI agent. Oh, no. I could see I could see Willem Dafoe in Gary Busey's role. It's so much range.

I could. Dude, the casting You talk. You do. Give me two. Oh, I love it.

There's a scene of the I would kill to see Dafoe in this. There's that scene of Busey and Keanu up on when they find the the burned out car that looks like it reminds me of the scene from Mulholland Drive, and then all of a sudden, I'm in, like, a crossover film. I, like, I want Willem Dafoe to be in the remake of this or whatever. And when he's, like, running around looking for the little dog, someone's like, who's that guy? And the other guy goes, clearly, that's famous actor Willem Dafoe.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Who does he think he is? An FBI agent, clearly. You have another fun fact. Haven't seen my little dog.

Gary Busey has said in interview oh, yes. That the infamous Utah, give me two meatball Sandoz was improvised. I love that he says it, like, two or three times and then leans out of the window and he goes, Utah, give me two. Like, it's just fucking priceless. It's it's the read of it is very similar to, there were cones from, Wedding Singer.

There were cones. What does he say? I could eat I'm so hungry I could eat the ass out of a rhinoceros. I think that is the line. Should've got me three.

Yeah. He we're gonna talk in-depth about this movie shortly. Was what was this brought to us by, did you say, Ben? Well, hold on. It was by Drunk Uncles in Recovery, but I'm now learning that it's from Jay Leno's standing in danger at Uncle Bob.

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I was I just opened up my notes. I didn't wanna read it off the dock. I wanted to, like, get myself, like, a nice clean text document and say, what would it be? What would it be? In my hand in hand, I'm holding the VHS, and I'm looking at the front of the box.

I don't see anything in your hand. Is this a magic trick? Yeah. It's, it's so it's maybe the best log line. It's a sentence.

I think so. Supposed to guess the actual one? I thought I was creating a fun one. You create up your own. Absolutely.

That's why That's why this log line is crazy good. Yeah. I don't wanna let you down. I gotta come up with something. Let's let's see what Chad GPT comes up.

Oh, god. Yeah. Man. There goes those two bottles of water. Yeah.

I know. No. I I it's like it's gotta be something like strap in for the ride of your life or something like that. Because I know the the tagline is 100% pure adrenaline. Yeah.

Oh, okay. So a tagline and a logline are different. See, this is why you don't have edited writing. So a logline is yeah. Is this like what Don LaFontaine would read in the trailer?

No. It's just longer too. It's usually just one or two sentences that just are like it's the elevator pitch. Like, this is the movie. 21.

Got it. And, like yeah. Oh, okay. It is safe to transmit information. A rogue gang of surfers are robbing every bank in town, and it's up to the newest recruit of LA's Bank Robbery Division to solve the case.

There you go. You're laughing, but that was, like, pretty solid. It was, like, in mildly reverse order. And Oh, sweet. Ben looks kind of delighted where he's like, wow.

That was, like That was good. You know? I agree. An FBI agent goes undercover to catch a gang of surfers who may be bank robbers. That's also Oh, we don't wanna tip our hat.

We don't wanna tip our hat too early. That's just crazy fucking succinct. Like, that's really good. Also, I love that there are two gangs of surfers. Uh-huh.

One at the same beach, and they're both doing illegal things. So I was a guy into surfing. Yeah. I was, like, more into boogie boarding and really just hanging out at the beach and skateboarding. Like, I was I was more on, like, land.

But when my buddies who did get into surfing got into it, it was legitimately like this. Like, if you park like, if you went to the wrong break and you put a Billabong sticker on your car, they'd slash your tires. Like, if it if that wasn't a Billabong beach, like, if that was a quick surf beach or some shit like that or, like, rip curl or some shit like like, it was It's no joke. Surfing culture is so interesting and layered and strange. And even when the dude gets all mad at Johnny for being on the wave and Yeah.

Collide on the wave, like, no. That's real shit. Like That's I've been surfing a couple few handfuls of times and, like, been the person who was, like, in somebody's way and been, like, weirdly, like, aggressively reprimanded. Not that aggressively, but where I was just like, oh, fuck. And, like, you know you're kind of in the wrong too.

Like, because it's like, what do you do? Either way. Uncle Bob. Called We Have to Take a Break. Oh, man.

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Thanks. Woah. Thanks everybody. But we're, talking about Point Break, your favorite Keanu Reeves Patrick Swayze movie. And we're gonna figure out who talks about it in what order by playing around with cinephile.

David, the last time you were on, did we play cinephile? I don't think so. I'm gonna go as quick as I can. Ben's gonna show the camera a card. It's gonna have a drawing of an actor, their name, and a movie that you get to use as like the cheat to start the round.

You'll say the name of the actor and the movie that are on the card, then it'll go Ben. He'll say another movie that actor was in, then me. The first person to not get one correct, we'll talk about their very first experience with Point Break, their early ratings, and their most recent viewing and current rating before we chat. Gary Old man, Leon the professional. Oh, shit.

I'll go with Batman Begins. The Dark Knight. King's speech? I'm sorry. That's incorrect.

I don't know and I didn't know it enough to try and challenge. I think you were, darkest hour is what you were thinking of. Oh. Great place, Churchill. Churchill?

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. David, it's only apropos since you brought it. I mean I'm tell the first time I watched it?

Yep. I mean, yeah, it was only a year before we did, a year or so, and I don't even know why. I think I think I why would I watch this movie? Like, no one ever in my circles, no one talks about it. I I feel that's a crime.

Like, I brought this because I feel like it's a crime. I have no clue. Like, I love surf culture. It was probably the era and Kiana. And I was like, okay.

This is like protospeed. And it does feel like protospeed. Like, it feels very much cut from the same cloth. I would have seen speed because I loved point break if I were my age in the nineties. Right?

It it you know? What is that? Three or four years ago now? Who knows? It was probably COVID, and I was like, ah, let's catch up on movies I've never seen before.

And, yeah, it was just like I said, I was that it's that future nostalgia, weird feeling of of seeing a warm blanket for the first time. What else do I owe you? What was your rating of it when you first watched it out of five, and what's your new experience, and rating from just watching it? It, I think I you know what? I remember pausing the movie twenty minutes in and turning to my wife and saying, I think I love this movie.

And so I'm pretty sure I don't I I I'll be interested in seeing what my letterbox score is now, but I held it in such high regard immediately. It had to have been five stars, like, immediately. Okay. I'm interested in what it is now. I had no problem.

I've probably watched it, especially because we pushed the recording. I've probably watched it three times in the last couple months. Now I don't watch it that often all the time. Hey, man. But it's an easy I wanna go to bed and put something easy on and not think about it movie.

Like, it's it is a comfort movie. It's a great lazy stay in bed. Like, I can't wait to show my son this movie. You know what I mean? Like because you do you feel like you can tune into it at any time or any scene and be like, this is great?

Yeah. It's like that kind of warm okay. I understand. I got you. Yeah.

It's got very distinct acts and the character it's so simple. Right? And so you don't have to get bogged down in remembering where you are in the story. Every scene kinda points to where Johnny is. Mhmm.

You know, whether it's his relationship with Lori Petty or his relationship with the squad, if he's limping or not. You know what I mean? Like, you could pretty much His relationship to Bodie. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You can jump into any scene and kinda know what's interesting is that Bodie scene after Bodie already knows. And reading it now, I don't know. Like, I I still tell everybody I can. And, like, if somebody's at my house and we're having drinks and the TV is not on and point break comes up and they said they'd never seen it before, I might put it on in the background and be like, well, we should put it on then.

And do you are you sometimes the one to bring it up in the conversation? Like, oh, no. They seem Point Break. Bring it up when I can. Like I get it.

If Keanu comes up, I'm like, but have you seen Point Break? Yeah. Anytime Gary Busey comes up. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. Absolutely. Give me two. Is it is it a five star movie for me now? I we had a conversation today at work where I probably haven't seen Harry and the Hendersons in thirty years.

Oh, yeah. Hey. Seattle Seahawks. Five star movie. You know what I mean?

Sure. Go Hawks. So, like and and we specifically talked at work about how there needs to be a different metric that movies like that, like this exist within. Do I think this and like, my favorite of the movie my favorite year movie of the year last year was probably Wicked. Was it the best movie ever made?

No. But it certainly makes me feel every time I watch it. And I I went in blind. I didn't know as a theater kid, it was a blind spot for me. It was the point break of of theater for me, like, in the sense that I just never caught it.

And I kinda knew what it was about, so I was just like, I get it. Saw the movie, fucking loved it. Well That being said, that's a five star movie for me. I would never compare the two. You know what I mean?

It's it's Sure. It's going to Los Burritos or Taco Bell. Both are good for different reasons. So Well, and that's the whole point of this thing is, like, you get different points of view and you come to some sort of I feel better or the same or not as great as I did before we talk. I I wouldn't say it's gone down.

And and we use a heart metric when we're like, this is like a movie that's kind of specific to me. It might not be for all flavors or it might be, quote, unquote, bad. We'll throw we like to throw a heart on it. I think we've kind of adopted that. Yeah.

For me, it's it's probably a four and a half, five star movie. I would say if I'm if I'm gonna tell the person that I'm having drinks with and the TV's not on, but the movie has come up, I'm gonna tell them it's a three star movie with a huge heart on it. Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. Ben, it's team. The pass is up. The the the fake the shoulder move looks good. The pass is a little the release is questionable, but you've caught it.

It's a fade over the left shoulder, and I gotta touch them. You're like Steve Largent style. Like, yeah. You look like a fucking hero right now. Go Hawks.

I this was also a blank spot for me. A point blank a point break spot. No. I'm not I'm not gonna try that. I was with you.

I was like, what did he mess up? And I watched it. I remember in February. I torrented it. What?

Off I don't understand. Don't don't worry about it. Okay. It's a technical term. You sound like kind of a badass.

Because I was I I don't remember what inspired me to finally watch it, but it it it really had been something that I hadn't actually, what year did Patrick Swayze die? 02/2008. Okay. So I remember working I was working at Mad Pizza and so maybe it was actually in 02/2008 or 02/2009. I think.

I'm saying that was, like, so much close to his passing regardless, it sounds like. Yeah. Because because I actually I remember seeing on the news, breaking news. We had TVs at where I worked, and I think that might have been what inspired me to watch it. But I 02/2009.

So yeah. It was late two thousand nine. So that, yeah, probably Absolutely. It was absolutely that. And I remember kind of like what you were talking about, David, how it's like, this is a ridiculous movie.

Like, there there and there needs to be like a, a because it is it's like there's so many things that happen in the movie where and if you say it out loud, it sounds absurd. You're like, oh, yeah. They're they're surfing bank robbers, you know. And, like, immediately, I'm like, what are you what the fuck are you talking about? But it works.

It's great. It's fun. And I think the reason it works is, a, the direction is so fucking solid. Keanu and Swayze are and I think one of my favorite things in talking about this movie is then then talking about Hot Fuzz and talking about how much Yep. This movie in Hot Fuzz.

He shoots in the sky because he loves him so much. He's so conflicted, man. I think both my initial viewing and my most recent viewing, pretty solid, stayed the same. I'm staying at, I have a four pushed over civilian because a lot of civilians, a lot of them get pushed over. Like, in the fucking backyard run where the lady's just watering in her yard, and she just gets fucking linebacker plow.

Yeah. So good. Dog gets drop kicked. Yeah. Is that so there's, like, a behind the scenes where they go over how, like, they were, like, able to edit through, like, getting a rubber dog, like, into that scene or whatever.

And they're just, like, just so you know, rubber dog, rubber dog. Wow. I saw this movie way too young before I was technically allowed to watch rated R movies when I was get dropped off with the babysitter. They were like, seven years old, Wes Craven's new nightmare. I did call.

You got it or whatever, you know, in 1974 with the with advanced copy, Wes Kramer's new nightmare. But, like, they would put on, like, anything at any point and break. And this was one of the movies that they threw on that just grabbed me partly because of, like, the music and the lighting and it's like it's cut so fast and everything so big and bombastic. I felt myself, you know, at that time just being so pulled into, like, this movie and, like, this world that was happening and yada yada yada. It was so cool.

I was so mesmerized by it and referenced it when I played with action figures or played, you know, cops and robbers with my pals or shit like that. So, you know, know, when I was a kid, I guess you'd probably say it was a five. As a grown up, having seen this movie probably 15 times, I don't know how many times. I own it on the shout factory four k. It looks great.

It sounds great. I watched it to hear. I watched it to and now it has its own steel book release in four k. So it has, you know, multiple four k. If you're a media person like the three of us, you will appreciate those things.

This movie is so beautiful. This is one I would probably buy in four k or something. It's really stunning. Again, it looks and sounds fantastic. It's one of those things where I think of why was RoboCop remade?

Why was Point Break remade? The Running Man can be remade. Edgar Wright and Glenn Powell and Coleman Domingo and Katie O'Brien can remake The Running Man. That sounds great. But that's a movie that, like, has a big old heart on it and has some weird chintzy whatever blah blah blah.

Like, everything about this movie is executed at an extremely high level all the time. Kinda like Robocop. So I just don't understand the remake aspect of it. Or Roadhouse. Exactly.

Right. Yeah. Kinda similarly where, like, that is what it's supposed to be. Good point. I would love to talk to, like, Chris Nolan, Spike Lee, Steven Soderbergh, Ben Affleck, Edgar Wright, what they think about this movie.

People that direct more than Kathryn Bigelow does now. And I also just wanna mention, like, zero dark 30 like a motherfuck. That movie is incredible. And I think without repeating it, it has one of the all time great, sobering crazy good movie endings ever. This is we've done a few of these.

This is like McTiernan if McTiernan were better. And somehow, like, got to be Kathryn Bigelow for a movie. It's five red hot chili peppers. I considered many rating systems. There's no heart on it.

None of that stuff. This is one of those movies that I kinda wanna go to bat for. I'm kinda with the revisionist history looking at a new lens, How it's kind of shot with the female gaze and so on and so forth. And I just think it's a really incredible movie and Kathryn Bigelow is one of the incredible great directors of all of film history. So many great choices that she makes in this.

The oner when Keanu first gets to the station at the beginning of the film. Yeah. It's like two two minute long. Walking in. Yeah.

Yeah. And you just set up the geography of the entire division that they're Yeah. And it's walk and talk. It's Tommy Schlami. It's it's it's but but it's proto all that.

It's it's before West Wing. It's before all that. It's just Mhmm. Awesome choices. I agree.

I Well, I think about a lot how nerdy she and Jim Cameron probably got about Oh, you can only imagine. Just just hanging out and Yeah. And being together, just talking shop. Smart people. Yeah.

You talk. I think we should Yeah. Me too. We're already kinda doing it, but I think We started the movie. I'm gonna rewind.

We're gonna start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie. And now, our feature presentation.

Adios, amigo. And we're gonna see that Johnny Utah's a real blue flame as they put it. Like, he's gonna come in hot. He's gonna try to ascend fast and burn out. He's a star FBI agent recruit, whatever.

And then we see this great oner that ends with it explains so well that harp, John c McGinley is like, this is the FBI. This is how you get ahead. If you don't wanna be a blue flame and you wanna be like me, this is what you do. And John I take skin off my chicken, sir. Yeah.

And then he and then he bites a donut. You passed over the Beautiful. The famous gift of Keanu's thumbs up as he's after he's done his trial. In slow mo Yeah. In the rain.

There's so much great slow mo work, and the sound design for the slow mo as if it's not in slow motion is so good. I don't know why it works so well. I'm so glad you said that. They really They get the sound design as if it were real time. Yeah.

So good. It's really great. I I I like the the the minutia funny clerical stuff. It's like you get so much of the kind of that you expect from Kathryn Bigelow that you mentioned David that you kind of expect from James Cameron where you get all this minutiae stuff that is presented like daily life because for some people it is like where Pappas is, you know, an older agent that's been in the field for twenty two years and he's got to dive for bricks. And you're and he's like, this is fucking insane.

And that the intro again of Reeves where they doubled down where he can hang with whomever because of his attitude where he's like, punk, quarterback, punk. Then they mentioned Johnny Unitas. Busey's like, who is this Johnny Unitas quarterback, punk? Also, the way he dives into the pool to get these bricks is just like a Hilarious. I bet that's how Gary Busey gets into every pool.

He just imagined it was a pool full of butter that was about to get filled with sausages. He just went booty first for sure. Well, I'm like, the first robbery when it cuts, it's so hard and it's so real and it's so visceral. Like, there's this, like, haze, like a daytime, like, dusty haze. Like, it feels like the valley as we're talking about LA specific things.

And the location is so perfect, like, the angles, and it's so tight. And the when you think of the how specific this movie has to how specific a movie has to look like that. Like, we've talked about every frame of painting, Ben, and I don't know if you know that David, but it's one of those things where it's like almost everything you're seeing and hearing in the end is Kathryn Bigelow saying, okay. Yeah. I like that.

I want that. You feel that specificity so early in the movie. Then you even said it with the slow mo thumbs up and then the sound design over is just like, man, special. And specific to this opening bank robbery scene, it's almost like this And specific to this opening bank robbery scene, it's almost like this walked so he could run type of deal. Has anyone ever, like I I only watched Heat recently for the first time.

Oh. And, yeah, I think I would, prefer bank, these bank robbery scenes. And all of it sorta, like, has shades of was the North Hollywood Shootout? Like Yeah. This that was before this, I think, but, or maybe yeah.

I don't know. I don't remember what year it was exactly, but I know that was part of the inspiration for the big heat shootout was what Yeah. Truly took place in Oh, that was '97. Yeah. So Interesting.

After heat was '95. Interesting. I made that up in my head because Me too. It's based on LA takedown, which is from, like, '90 whatever. But Yeah.

I agree with you where it's, like, I I feel shades of heat through this. Like, that's the thing that was, like, heat also, it's like, it's a team of cops. It's a bunch of guys, like, working together that are all, like, really into the job and their daily lives and whatever. And with Pappas and and Keanu, it's a very specific one to, like, father son kind of relationship. I do still see that relationship of, like, the De Niro, Pacino, Swayze, Reeves.

Like, do they wanna fight or do they wanna fuck? Do they love each other or hate each other? Is there an Totally. Is there an admiration for like this cat and mouse? Like what is it about you two that like has you so fascinated with each other?

I do think it's funny that the thread of that he's that, Busey has started, which feels like a very Busey choice is, like, they're surfers. And, like, his Yeah. His yeah. His theory is, like, kind of like, he's, like, he sees a tan and he's, like, oh, they're only robbing in the summer. And it's kinda like, that's that's where you're going on?

That's that's all the information you have? I mean, I I maybe. But there that's enough information for them to be, like, fuck it. We're going undercover, which is not really something that they're supposed to do. Right?

Because you have They must have cover. Yeah. I know. I know. But I just think it's funny that, like, that's the thread they follow.

And it's true. And they're and they're right. They got it right. It's great. The evidence is, like, as you're saying, it's, like, kinda shit, like, to a degree where it's, like, this is all, like, kinda theory and, like, kinda hair brained.

And I love when they, like, pull people's hair off and whatever at a point to It's like char it's like Charlie and Always Sunny in the mailroom, you know, with the cigarettes and, like, looking at the board with all the thread. And and I love their reference to endless summer where it's, like, oh, they're just trying to fund their endless summer like a surfing dock that I really enjoy. If you haven't seen step into liquid people, by the way, that movie fucking rules. I've seen it at the theater. It's amazing.

And you, David, you mentioned it and Pappas talks about it, like how surfer culture kind of works a little bit. And the run-in with Tyler that Lori Petty and Reeves kinda have this run-in because he's like a fucking noob at surfing. Well, he gets into the He's delved into this surfing theory very hard. He gets into the washing machine, man. And if you get into the look.

I've only been surfing before. Yeah. Me too. And it's terrifying. Yeah.

It is. Yeah. If the sets if you get fucked up at the beginning of a set and you can't get back in, you're you're in there for a few more minutes and, like, at least seven more waves are just gonna wipe you out. Yeah. Ben, I find it kinda funny, like, you mentioned, like, how it's, like, on a wink and a prayer, like, in, you know, a fist to ass hair that they figure out that this is surfers.

And for me, like, the goofy thing is, like because, of course, like, Tyler's directly a direct pipeline exactly to what I think part of the beauty of this movie in the very beginning, the first bank robbery, you know that's Patrick Swayze. They use his voice and kind of going on this journey where and and realizing that Keanu Reeves knows before he says it on screen and that he's been putting this off because there's, like, this level of weird, like, idol worship that's kind of happening that is so enjoyable. But I mean, it's Patrick Swayze. Like Yeah. He's magnetic.

You've seen the guy? I will I you know how many throats I will rip out right now? A lot all mine? Like, I'll go full fucking Roadhouse. I understand.

I'll go full drag to Wong Fu thanks for everything Julie Niemeyer. Holy shit. Yeah. Hell yeah. I am ready to do either of those things on Keanu when he gets the info that Lori Petty's parents are dead, and he's like, great.

That's my end. I'm like, you fucking bastard. I I don't want never mind. I was gonna go down another rabbit hole of an anecdote, but it's it doesn't matter. I, about the time you met Jay Leno.

I'll tell you this for free. About the time I lied. Regular show? And I lied to him about my parents being dead. Oh, that sounds very painful for you.

So you're just here for for the night? Mister Leno. Mister Leno, make a joke about my dead parents, mister Leno. I would love to, but you're not wearing a denim vest. I don't respect you.

So we get into very quickly, like, Bodhi and Johnny Utah, Swayze and Reeves in this contact, football that's happening on the beach, in the evening. But we're learning that this network of, like, surfers are all pretty connected in this world. Like, it see it seems like everyone seems to know each other. They and I you know, as someone who's would be considered a noob or a yeah. I do think it's what it is a it is a culture that has changed a lot.

Sure. But, you know, there it did feel for a very long, like, kinda gatekeeper y and kinda scary to, like, get into because you're like, these people might, you know, fucking roast me out here. I'm a yuppie scum who needs to go back to the valley. But, yeah, the football game's great. And we see, I love that when he goes to tackle Bodhi, it's like he has to, like, push over, like, 17 people.

I love it. I love the camerawork. Like so you say something, bad about Keanu Reeves, like, ultimately, like, his throw or his release or what have you. And I said something about his fake, and then he does does this again. Like, he's really good with his shoulders.

I think I think you see it in the matrix a little bit too where he's like throwing shoulders at people and you're like, goddamn. Like, that's the the thing. I I don't know if you guys feel it too, but this thing in the in the movie where it's like punches and stuff like that are kind of felt. Roadhouse does this too. It's like a Swayze trademark to me where it's like the physicality that happens is pretty brutal at times.

Yeah. Yeah. The fights are strong. I feel like from the tackling into the water is sort of like the tone setter for their relationship going forward. Yeah.

I agree. And he admits that he knows, like, he was a college player, so they admit and this is where we bring up his knee injury. Yeah. And Bodie knew all about him too. He was like, I knew it was you.

I was like, damn. Yeah. It starts like talking about stats and like bowl games and shit and you're like, okay. And I think like that's mostly this is Bodie, a guy who's like very charismatic who's kind of a cult leader or what have you being like, yeah, I appreciate you. I respect you.

You're wonderful. And like pulling him into his gravity. Johnny Utah's warned about this by Lori Petty like a few different times. Like, watch watch out for this guy. Not always the best guy, but it's hard to Ben, you kinda mentioned this.

I think Johnny and Pappas are working a different beach on whatever day. And, you know, there's a point where Keanu Reeves gets into a fight after he is on a wave he shouldn't be on at a point he shouldn't be on whatever. And some dudes get territorial, you know, the red hot chili peppers are like, we're about to fucking saute you up brother. And Bodhi pops in kinda out of nowhere. And this fight is so fucking great.

David, you mentioned, like, the camerawork there. Yeah. This is you I mean, you're you are Johnny's POV. Your head's on a swivel. You're all over the place.

It's so and they all look at the camera, and it's kind of intimidating. And you're like, wait. Where's Fez? And, like, wait. No.

Wait. Different thing. And they get into this super great, very realistically choreographed fight after, you know, you think surfer dude's gonna like stab him in the water at a point. Like the suspense is pretty fucking real. And Bodhi comes in and kicks the shit out of these guys.

And I love one of his first lines after is, yeah, fucking Nazi assholes. You know this guy is probably the the quote, unquote bad guy, but he's saying all the right things. You're great. I appreciate you. Like, I I enjoy your your work as a And and he's a he's a bad guy who doesn't like Nazis.

So amazing. Saying all the right things. Can't be that bad. Right. And well He's not a Nazi.

So In the very first very first thing he says, the first bank robbery, we don't wanna shoot anybody. We don't wanna hurt anybody. We're gonna get out of here as quickly as possible. Your money is insured by the federal government. And you realize how many resources are being used to figure out the money being stolen from the federal government is people are obviously being traumatized in a very big way, but no one has been physically hurt.

They, like, they make a point of that. Well and that and that they're very precise and they don't they stay within ninety seconds and they don't go for the safe. Yeah. Well, and it's like, dude, Bodhi's like, he's a fucking folk hero to a degree at this point. Like, I fucking I hate Nazis.

I just wanna surf all the time and like like mostly live and let live. I also fucking rob banks and threaten people's lives. Oh, wait. There is, like, that bad stuff. And and the these dudes, like, you know, they they fit the profile either way.

Does anybody I don't feel like these guys are tried to be tried to be used as a red herring at all. This other group of surfers. Oh, yeah. No. For the audience.

What do you mean? I don't think that we're supposed to be convinced at any point that they are the guys robbing the banks. Maybe early on. I mean, it's hard to separate myself from knowing Me too. I'm trying to I love that.

Like, did I know Patrick Swayze was the bank robber right away? I probably I think I I think I knew it from the beginning before I even see saw the movie. So it's hard to separate from that. But I think that's great though, personally. You know these guys are bad for some reason.

So I think it's, like, we don't really we don't mind them getting taken down. I think maybe it was put in there because they are looking for the surfers, And all of a sudden, you go across this group of shitty dudes. Four dudes. They fit a profile. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe they were set up to be red herrings. Well, it's it's like we go to this party where it's like that's the big thing is like all these guys, these people live on the beach and surf all day and party all the time and fucking hang out and warned again. Like, this guy's like a cult leader. Watch out as he's as Bodhi's listening to the whole thing like Johnny's gonna make his own choices.

I'm a cool guy. I kicked some that kicked the shit out of, like, three guys for him. I I know he's a footballer, man. Like, we're cool. It's it's interesting that you bring up that he's a a cult leader because I hadn't really seen it that way.

But when it as the movie goes on, it does really kind of establish that he is he's like a philosopher. Yes. And he has, like, a very and and these people are definitely following his philosophy. He's the. Like, they they're ready to break into the vault despite the rules that they've agreed on because he said, this is what we're doing.

Yeah. Just like they go through this house raid now because Johnny wakes up on the beach after spending the night with Tyler. That was another thing about this movie. Lori Petty. Good gracious.

I just I she's gorgeous human being. Just saying. But the house raid that happens is one of the fucking this movie I think has two of the great really great action scenes, but the way that tension is built here where Reeves has to duck under the window and the dental mirror and Pappas at the door and, like, all the lawnmower and all this shit happening, and that lawnmower being the fucking thing like David. It's iconic, man. I didn't know anything about it until then I mentioned it to my dad and he told me, yeah.

Oh my god. It's so good. This scene is to me is so fucking satisfying in almost every turn. The tension's great. And, like, I definitely thought misremembered or thought that maybe Busey would get shot here, get Jeff Daniels from speed here.

Yeah. Totally. Shoot the hostage. Like, the rando naked girl who, like, jumps and, like, starts stabbing him. Stabbing the guy.

Yeah. I mean, it feels real to the degree of, like, the stakes are high and anyone could probably get shot. And it's fun. It's well it's well shot. I am surprised she doesn't make more action movies.

I didn't see Detroit. My understanding is that's like kind of like a war movie in a different environment. I don't know if it was like the Hurt Locker zero dark 30 thing. I I loved Hurt Locker. I saw Hurt Locker in, Sif Egyptian cinema in Seattle and before I had a wide release.

And I I remember thinking like, holy shit. This movie is awesome. And that's the first time I saw, what's his fuck? Jeremy Renner? Hawkeye.

Yeah. SWAT was what I remember him from. Does anybody have a favorite Bigelow that's not this movie? Like, when they wanna shout out? Hurt Locker is what I always say.

Hurt Locker. Yeah. For me, it's Zero Dark 30. I I love Hurt Locker as well. Don't get me wrong.

They're both great movies. Where Pappas says, first time, like, wasn't paper targets was today, after Utah has to shoot a guy and kill a guy for the first time and Pappas goes, it's no different. Like, the way that, like, law enforcement to a degree, it's like, you know, Anthony Kiedis is all methed out and this lady was stabbing people and, like, if people gotta die, they gotta die. No big deal. Yep.

Hank, we're trying to make sure uncle Sam's money doesn't get stolen. Like Was this a pre pre Kiedis sobriety? I believe so. I I believe so. I mean, early night.

Would have been shot at ninety one, ninety two, somewhere around there. The Johnny realization here when he has the chat with Pappas, Like, where he's like, it's gotta be these guys. I know they're gonna be at this bank. They were checking it out. It's it was never the other guys.

I knew it was never the other guys. It was fucking Bodhi. Yeah. So so when does Keanu come to that realization? In this moment, I think is when he vocalizes it.

Okay. I think I miss I was just I thought maybe I looked at I wasn't paying attention or something. Like, but he it's not like it's a it's a it's a realization he already knew, and he's just now coming to terms with it. I think he realized it the night he spent with Tyler and, like, partying with those guys. Like, I think he realized that their plan was to hit that place in the morning, and they had this big party because they were done and they were gonna be out of there.

And there was a way this that's the thing with this movie is there's a lot of shit left unsaid that, like, it that leaves up for interpretation. For me, it can be difficult where it's like, I almost went down to a four and a half at a point because I was like, this movie is so precise at times, and it's so fucking sloppy at times. Then I'm like, okay. But so were those robbers. Like, is that part of this whole is that part of the experience?

Right. So if I'm asking myself fucking insane questions like that, then, you know, there might be something to it. He does seen is definitely, like, a ton of exposition that you don't realize his exposition with the whole So much. Your storm thing and Right. Like, everything that comes back later set up then.

There is the scene I'm trying to recall, and maybe this is what you're he and Lori Petty are supposed to go do something, and he he's looking at them on the beach, and he realizes that it's them. But I'm trying to remember what That's after the that's after they do the, they they go after the other four dudes, isn't it? Yeah. It's like the next scene. Yeah.

Well, and then he says it to he says it to her, Then he says it to Pappas. Yeah. Like, where they're having an exchange and he's like, we gotta fucking do this. And I I think it's because one of the things that Pappas says early early on is that these these, like, watch for them. They'll be, like, they'll be connected.

They'll be in synchronized And they're, like, synchronized surfing. One single club. They play football together and there's, yes, Ben. Yes. And so he he's finally seen, like, oh, these these four guys are that connected.

And I don't think he wants to say something to Pappas until he's, like, pretty sure. So he says something to him, and that's why they're staking out that place and fucking Pappas is like, Utah. Give me two. After he's already said it fucking five times. Like, it's got butter and sausage on it.

We know. You'll get it. I also He doesn't see him walk into the bank. Yeah. Right.

Because he's he's looking at his crossword or something. I don't know. And he's waiting for a sandwich, and it's just Buttered sausage. Guys working kinda rogue on their, quote, unquote, free time trying to work this case outside of their regular caseload, they say. Shouldn't because one of the things he says when they go when they do the raid, he's like, you're a last resort.

I don't want you to blow your cover. So now that they know that it's Johnny. Well, now they know that it's Bodhi. Yeah. And that he he is like he's like got a deep undercover with them.

You would think they would want to hold him that he shouldn't be anywhere near this. Right. Because Totally. He can't show his face anywhere nearby. Yeah.

Well, movies gotta happen. So No. Totally. Movies gotta happen. But but I I was just like, wait a minute.

And then when they do see them, I'm like, why are you going after them? You're you're, well, now it's all blown. Well, it's fucked. It's great because there's this I think this moment this is what I think happens again. So much I think happens without it being said.

There's this incredible car chase with this, like, rear wheel drive Chevy that's doing shit that is unimaginable. And these guys are after each other, and Banks been robbed, and Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze end up in a foot chase through the backyard's linebacker crushing ladies. It's great. Like like, the city is gonna get billed, like, a lot for what has happened, like vet bills, all sorts of shit. And at the end, Keanu Reeves is chasing who he knows is Patrick Swayze.

He knows it. Also he Sorry to cut cut you off real quick. That this scene, I feel like, inspires true detective. Sure. Season one.

Okay. Yep. There's a whole I'm following. Yeah. There's just, like, I can see this scene That's funny.

Yeah. I I saw the perspective. Little bit of that. Yeah. Back to it.

I think it probably, though, it, like, it's it's there's so many things that come after it that I feel it in. Like, it's woven, like, to why I mentioned all those directors and, like, heist movies and stuff where it's like, I feel this. And the Italian job, the f Gary Gray movie, like, I feel this movie. I feel it in, you know, Fast and the Furious. I said forget about it, because That chase and the fucking flamethrower thing where Patrick Swayze still is like, I'm not gonna fucking shoot this guy.

I'm gonna tell this guy to run because if we murder somebody, this is a totally different thing. We're totally different people. I'm a different kind of leader. Do as I say and as I do, You can count on me or whatever. But Keanu Reeves' knee gets dislocated, and he's a crack shot.

We know that he could kill Patrick Swayze in this moment. And I think, like, the scream fucking works for me because he's so torn because he loves this guy. It's like, he taught me how to if you've ever stood up when you're surfing, like, there's a feeling of standing and flying, like, that I've never experienced aside from, like, the couple few times that I've been able to stand up on a surfboard and really actually move. It's really, really an amazing feeling, the connection that had Close camera shot of Reagan's eye the mask. Yeah.

It's Swayze. Yeah. But that Oh, it's so good. You know, in tight on his eyes. Yeah.

And I I also feel like the he's saying so much through his eyes. Oh, yeah. But the mask work in this where they're That's so good. When they're in the masks is really, really strong. And there's and and they're saying so I mean, we all know Swayze is an incredible physical, like, specimen storyteller.

Yeah. But he does so much with that little moment. And I feel like Keanu shoots into the air and screams like that because he's like, if I make it look like I shot him at at him and I missed, he's gonna leave. This is over. Like, we like, I love him.

He loves me. We respect each other. They they threw their party. They robbed their bank and they're out of here. Like, they're gonna be gone.

Like, I don't have to deal with this anymore. And I gotta ask because I think the Mike Myers mask in baby driver is maybe inspired a little bit by this. Does anybody have a a specific car or a specific mask? Oh, you should. Yeah.

You haven't seen you haven't seen baby driver? It's good. No. Does anybody have a Right. Does anybody have a specific car or a specific mask that they would use for a robbery?

Oh, I mean, you wanna have a very unspecific car, I think. I'd I'd go with the BMW m five. Yeah. I'd probably go with a minivan. Nice.

Yeah. I was thinking Ford Aerostar and Michael Myers. I I would go I would probably go with the legit Halloween Michael Myers, my ask as well. Not the Austin Powers from baby driver. I think I would go with Gary Busey.

Oh my god. Goddamn it. You're worst nightmare, butthorn. Yeah. Wouldn't look too dissimilar from the Reagan mask.

I actually there'd be two of us, and I'd be Gary Busey, and, you can be the, Paul. You can be the other Busey. Jake? Jake Busey. Yeah.

Thank I yeah. Thank you. Give me two. So Pappas, like, here's where he he calls Reeves out. He's like, you know it's this fucking guy.

You know you could have shot him and you didn't. Now, we don't know where they are. Everything's exposed and, like, that's the thing. It's like, okay. Is Reeves it's like, look.

We assume these guys split. So you're gonna do whatever you're gonna do, I guess. That's the only way I can justify it if we're worried about that. But where Tyler and him have the little, like, hit and run convo, but when it it groups back up to the surfers and dude is like, this is serious shit. I am scared.

I don't I think I don't understand why, and maybe I missed something, why Keanu goes back to hang out with them. They showed up. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They so he he he's in love with Lori Petty. Yeah. And, he's gonna tell her, and she's she it's very sweet. She finds everything out.

Well, she does, but she's like, don't. I could see how much this is bothering you. Let's talk about it later. So they just sleep together. He falls asleep, but she comes in and blows away the pillow into him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's pointing a gun at him. She's like, you're a fucking cop.

He's like, I was gonna tell you. And so then she storms out, and he's all heartbroken. And he gets the phone call. He thinks it's her. It's not.

And then Bodie shows up with the boys. He's like, get up. We're going. And he doesn't he thinks, oh, fuck. They're gonna take me and kill me.

But then, like, this is what I was gonna bring up earlier. Like, he like you said, he's just enamored with Bodie so much Mhmm. That he still goes, and it is an odd choice. And what's funny is there's tension in the scene when they get to the house. Oh, yeah.

But it seems like the tension is gone when they get to the plane. It almost seems like like Keanu tries to talk his way out of doing it, and they're like, no. You're gonna be fine. We're not even landed on land. You're gonna land in water.

It's gonna be great. And so he's like, alright. Well, dude, I think he's like kind of a he's going along with them I think to keep the waters as kind of tepid as possible and I He's in town now. He knows they're in town so far. And I kinda disagree with the, like, tension thing when they're all on the plane.

On the plane. Yes. Yeah. I mean, when they're leading up to the plane, like, the thing in the van, like, you know, after the plane or whatever is amazing. But, yeah, I I guess, like, on the way there or whatever, but when they're going, they're like, hey, man.

Like, use this shoot, use this shoot, and they're just moving the shoots around. That ratchets it back up for me, like, pretty quick. Oh. And then That that is I did remember it's funny you mentioned that. I remember thinking, man, the tone is all over the place, but then the the parachute scene really ratchets it back up.

Where it's like, oh, no. No. No. This is, like, fucked. Yeah.

I just I guess I guess it was when they're, like, falling when they're when they're when they're jumping. I don't know. There there there is a for me, from when he's picked up through the, like, jump, there's a little bit of, like, I don't understand how we got from chasing and jumping and hurting my knee to shooting in the air to having a friendly conversation and jumping out of a plane. Kinda kidnap him, and he's Yeah. He's a little bit of Stockholm syndrome, but also a little bit of trying to keep the peace a little bit.

But Yeah. It it is there is something tonally off a little bit in there, but I story wise, they basically kidnap him. Well, I agree with that. And I I think the thing is, like, when Bodhi is hold holding court with the surfers after they've robbed the bank before they kidnap Johnny, Again, it's this like, no. This is what we're gonna do.

This is the plan. This is and and I think Bodie believes we gave him the rush of surfing. We gave him the rush of of this freedom of this life. Let's take him I can flip him guys. Like, I I got this.

I can change him. Daddy. That's I I think I can change him. That's what I always think. And, like, you you can feel Keanu through this.

He's rushing all of it. Like, no. Let's go. We're wasting time. Like, you showed me the video.

Let's move. Okay. Great. This person got shot. Like, this all just feels like he is in a big rush to get to Lori Petty, especially as they're, you know, robbing the bank together with Keanu.

So oh, now my cat's meowing. Yes. So when we get to this last bank robbery, first first off, I I didn't expect him to make him go maskless. I was like, it's gonna be a JFK mask. It's gonna be a JFK mask.

And I was like, oh. But then I get it. Like, he wants him to be exposed and but I didn't know why, Bodhi was off his game and, like, chose to be greedy here. Hey. I love the coward manager that's like, do whatever they want, Terry, and just hands the keys to, like, the poor woman who needs the they're gonna kill that poor woman, and she has to take them to the vault.

Like, get up yourself, you fucking asshole. You get paid for that. That would have been a good part for you, Paul. I think so. Like, let's not type cast, but With the mustache and, like, somebody's glasses.

Yeah. Go take him to the vent. The vault, Benny. That was funny. Like, it isn't it?

Story story beat wise, I just mean the tone of why why would he sacrifice himself having done it so many times and done it successfully. And I guess it's it it is a little twofold. You've got an extra man who's not knowing the routine. But, like, from a story beat wise, you do need some sort of extra thing. But, yes, it does I guess, I'm with you unless there's something I missed.

Why then what what is Bodhi's motivation for Billy? You would you would think and this is this is where I brain reckoned it, and then it wasn't that. And I'm like, oh, I but I thought I remembered that Bodhi did something in the bank robbery that made it keep going longer, which is why The fall. And not sorry. Not Bodhi.

I thought in my head, I thought it was Johnny did something. Oh. Because because he's like, oh, if they go longer, they'll get caught. But it wasn't him. It was Bodie.

And so that's why I was like, wait. Why why would Bodie do that? You know what it is? You know what it might be? And and, unfortunately, we're not we just don't have the scene in front of us to dissect it.

I gotcha. That Johnny tries to pull his badge out, and the other patron at the bank takes the security guard's gun and shoots Johnny thinking he's got a gun. The cop. The cop shoots him. The cop shoots him twice in the chest.

That's right. The object is out. And that was the but that doesn't change when Bodie went for the vault. Yeah. Exactly.

So I personally think not only is he so this is right after they skydive together because there are two skydiving scenes and three bank robbery scenes in this entire movie, and it feels like a lot more. It's like watching aliens. You know, like, this movie is action packed and it's like it's like fourteen minutes. Like, it's not that much screen time of action. So this is where Bode and Johnny Utah have skydived and gone almost to the fucking ground with the rip cord.

This, I think, is Bode trying to say, like, Johnny, in front of you, I don't I've never taken the vault. I'll take it now. I will beat you. And also because Bodhi is like, I have Tyler a and b. You will never kill me.

You love me too much. You're too close to wanting to be what I am. Like, you you That's a good point. Yeah. Thank you.

That's a good point. They just did the they just did the chicken. Yeah. They were skydiving. And we don't know who's like, you know, ding dong is bigger in this moment or whatever.

But this cop, this off duty cop fucks up really bad, gets a security guard at least shot, gets himself killed. A couple of the surfers get, you know, end up He also probably thinks that Johnny is gonna help because he wants to save Tyler. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Well, not that the He's got an ex for man. Yeah. And he's motivated to get her safe. And I'm the only one who's gonna be able to do it, so he's gotta help me. Well, I don't why not?

Johnny's just like an innocent bystander through pretty much this whole thing. He just wants it to, like, move as quickly as possible. Like, I just think the cop, if he just, like it's, like, don't pull the gun. Like, just let them take the money that's insured and no one dies. But as Johnny says at the end of the movie, like, you ended up fucking up in the end and some people got killed.

Like, so you do have to pay the price regardless of the fact that I love you or that I think you're a folk hero or like that you fucking killed my dad. But that said, Swayze pulls his mask off, and when he shoots that cop in the chest with that insane fucking gun, like, and you're just like, oh my god. And when he pops Johnny Utah in the temple again, like, he chooses not to kill him because he doesn't wanna kill anybody. He he chooses violence. He hates violence.

Except they push over a lot of people and Oh, rubber dogs. They hurt a lot of rubber dogs in this movie. When McGinley gets knocked out by Pappas where he's like, you don't respect your elders, and he just fucking knocks them out. And the thing that has been the the thing that I guess I never realized through this movie is how much Pappas is like a father to Johnny Utah. The one honest guy in the FBI like, yeah, let's let's like let's do this detective thing together, dad.

Like, let's work on this thing together. And when they do the airport showdown where Bodhi and the dudes are, like, the last couple dudes around are gonna get the hell out of town because that was their last bank robbery. That's my other thing. Not only can I get the vault, but I'm not gonna do this again if ever not for a long time? I wanna make this a big score.

That was my other thought. Two of them are dead now. So Well and yeah. And fucking poor Or one of them is dead. One of them is about to die.

Yeah. Poor Pappas after he shoots James LaGrosse. Get out of the way, kid. Goddamn it. Like, I almost cried.

Like, I was, like, I felt for Keanu Reeves where he's, like, he's losing his, like, you know, adoptive FBI dad. His his Obi Wan? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally.

Yeah. I feel for him in this moment. And but Johnny is kidnapped again, becomes a hostage again. Use the force, Johnny. And this is where for me, where it's like, I kinda know this is gonna happen again.

It's still satisfying, but this is where it's like, oh, we're doing this again. The jump? Well, not really the jump so much. Him not having the, I mean, dude, where James Legross, you know, gets they're like, we're gonna skydive out of here and meet Rosie who has Tyler. And this dude's dead.

Like, this dude's gonna be a corpse going to the ground in a parachute. When Johnny explains it to him, it's so great. You're you're losing your blood. Please. It's like, Reservoir Dogs.

Say it with me. You're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay. Okay. But Johnny, after fucking Bodhi backward out of the plane, adios amigo.

And he skydives and Johnny just yells carrying that hilarious Jack Nicholson joker gun from Batman 89 jumps out of the fucking plane yelling fuck it. And like that's the other thing that's like not quite for me. It's like not quite five stars where it's like I would still rather this than CG or anything like that where it's like the cut ins of people that are clearly on like sound stages or whatever. When they when Keanu makes that jump without a shoot, it's great. Super awesome.

Satisfying. Yeah. It feels very, Ethan Hunt. Yeah. That's a good point.

Well, the so the knee goes again on the landing. Roach died on the landing, and Rosie always in his leather pants for football, for anything, for raiding a local television cable station to make sure you stay on the air, whatever it is. I love the shot too. First off, I love the idea that Roach was able to pull his chute before he bled out. Yeah.

Me too. But I love the shot of it's like his body's on the ground. His the wind has the parachute and there's just money Like Oh, it's beautiful. In the sunset. It's a great it's a great shot.

It's beautiful. He gets Tyler back because he we forgot we forgot to mention that who's the guy, Rose? Is that okay? Rosie. Rosie?

He was like, he's a fucking animal. He's a killer. He's gonna just kill everybody if I don't call him. He was and Tyler was never gonna die. They were always gonna bring Tyler to that spot or bring her along or whatever.

I don't think they were ever gonna kill her. I don't think Rosie was gonna kill her. I don't think he Probably not. I don't think Bodie would let him. No.

I don't know. Bodie seemed scared of him. He's like, he's a one track mind. He puts his mind towards something. He just does it.

Oh, he got you under his spell too, David. I think he I think he was just trying to convince Johnny. Me too. Because I I think you're right. I don't think he would let Tyler get killed.

I don't think so either. Because he doesn't wanna kill anybody. I just want he wants to. He just wants to push people down on the ground. And it don't kill his his little friend because then he will maybe probably shoot you.

But Bodie leaves again, but Tyler and Johnny are reunited. And an in who knows? Amount of Johnny should go to jail. Right? Maybe.

Because what can you prove? So much. Him and his partner went after this guy completely off after punching out their captain. Well, Pappas is dead. Pappas died because But what can you prove?

Partner's gone. There's two dead bodies at the airstrip. Like, there's so much you can prove. What are you talking about? So Johnny Utah can frame or paint this almost any way he wants.

He can leave all sorts of things out. This is the FBI, bro. Sure. I guess. Why not?

Come on. Like, they clearly found that, like, we found the right guys. They shot Pappas and took me hostage. Sure. You know, Tyler will maybe back you up.

I you're trying to poke holes, and I just will not have it. Now they go to Australia, which is clearly LA. Right? I mean, it's clearly California. Am I It's actually holes?

It's actually Oregon. I looked it up. Is it really? Ah. It looks like like Northern California or yeah.

It's right by Cannon Beach. Yeah. Because it's like you see the trees in the background and you're like, well, that's not Australia. I don't know enough about Australia to prove that wrong, but I knew it looked like the West Coast. Yeah.

I agree with you. So the one flaw in this movie is that some trees look kinda funny. The one flaw. Yep. And that's right.

That's basically about it. But Johnny talking about why he was kind of, like, okay with letting things slide or get to a point until he wasn't like saying it without saying it. Like dude, I didn't fucking shoot you and let you jump the fence that day because like you hadn't crossed like, a line. It was okay until people got hurt and people died. And then now I have to do my fucking job.

Now, like, you're the guy I gotta get. Like, agent Johnny Utah always gets his man. Oh, no. Not again. I don't care.

But I do love that he just lets him I didn't do anything. Death by lightning. I don't care. Death by tsunami. It's great.

The fight that they did gonna stick out there, mate. Dude, the bad fake Australian accents. Oh, no. You don't wanna go down there. Oh, no.

No. Oh, no. Okay. Me and Vashikovska. Now if I was being honest with you, I wouldn't go tricking down there now.

You're not here in Australia. It's a little scary now. Yeah. Don't go surfing down there, guys. Come back up here.

I got some denim joints if you want them for the beach. I'll I'll tell you this for free. It is a great it's a great ending, though. It for for for Bodhi to go out the way he goes out. I agree.

Post, like, getting a handcuff put on him and, like, the scream that Swayze lets out and just the, like I don't know. Again, the weird thing where Keanu, I guess, is like, hey, man. You got me to the point where, like, I felt the the humanity I have in me or the connection I have in me through surfing, through skydiving, through losing my surrogate dad, and now through being able to literally throw my badge into the ocean. Like, I'm fucking done with this. And that's and that's the end of the movie.

Great fucking soundtrack, by the way. I know I always mentioned this late. Great soundtrack. I can go round and round about this, David, if you want to. Well, we're at the we're at the end here, so let's get our final ratings.

Let's do it. You went first. Has your rating changed? I'll I'll I'll give it four and a half kicked dogs. Yeah.

Rubber dogs. With a heart. With a heart. Oh, nice. Okay.

That so as far as I'm concerned, that heart is potentially even worth a half a star. It just depends on who you're talking to. The heart is very versatile. Oh, we're gonna you we're gonna go me first since you're this you're keeping us in the suspense. I think it's yeah.

No. I wanna go I wanna go now. No. You you had the lower score. I had the higher score.

And my score also just hasn't moved. Okay. I'm still at a five. I just think, again, we did I didn't touch on a lot of this, but the kind of female gaze of this movie and this amazing thing that has so many things unspoken including all sorts of thoughts and feelings and plot things and whatever that you can determine or not determine. Is it a reach?

I don't know. I considered five cold pizzas. I considered five FBI agents. When Bodhi's holding court, he refers to cars as metal coffins. You wanna be like those zombies out there in their metal coffins?

But I am gonna stick to this is five hot red hot chili peppers for me. As I touched on early, the movie is so precise and so intentional and so beautiful and there's a thing that's so specific to the era that I don't know exactly when it ends, but white men can't jump in this fall in a similar thing where there's like something that happens visually, but with these movies that are from this kind of little maybe five year era or whatever that the both of these movies exist in. And so visually, it's just so satisfying for me. Five. I won't keep us into suspense for too long.

I'm gonna stay at my four civilians touchdown. It's a strong movie. I love I love this movie. I'm sure I'll rewatch it at some point. Yeah.

I had a blast talking about this movie. You know, there's still, like, logic things of, like, yeah, that's how the that's why I said, like, the movie is absurd. It's like Yeah. It's a ridiculous level of movie at at points, which is not a bad thing. It's just it's just part of what this movie is.

Can I make a last ditch effort briefly? I'll give you I'll give you thirty seconds. The main thing you seem to have is the the bank thing. Like, why why did they decide to go for the vault? Like, what happened in this moment?

What was like, you because you asked that question a couple times. And I just really think you also just mentioned, like, who knows why people do what they do or whatnot. Like, why Bodhi makes this decision is anybody's guess, but I do think it's kind of a thing where he's trying to prove he's more hardcore than Keanu. That's that's the way I try to fill that plot hole. I mean, that's just one of, like, five what I have.

What? What? No. I mean So you're not moving up to a five? I am not.

Also What? No. I would also say, like, for me, in terms of, like, what my, library of movies lean towards Oh. This just like, this genre just doesn't send again, four, it's just not necessarily it's something that I'm aching to watch all the time. Yeah.

This I think it fits in a narrow wedge for me. I I would say that I am not usually this type of movie guy, but there's there's something about this movie. Like, to me, it's not about the police force. So, like, yeah, I think probably on paper. Yeah.

Like, Johnny should've gone to jail. It's not about that. It's about the relationships. And, you know, the the force is just a vehicle to get there. Somehow, Palpatine returned.

Well, David, anything to plug or talk about for yourself for to our fine listeners before we let you go? Yeah. The stuff that I work on for work is not, like, all that appealing to anybody in particular, and I'm just doing family stuff. My thing is, like, I showed my kid Jaws and Speed. He's nine.

Jaws and Speed, I showed him last year. Jaws was a little more bloody than I remembered it being. But this, I think, is still gonna be a couple years away. Specifically, the gun violence is so Yeah. You know, that last shootout and all that stuff.

It's just a little much. But the movie as a whole, I can't wait to show him stuff like this. So, like, that's Yeah. It it's fun. And Speed, like, doesn't have really much of that.

Like, people die, but you don't Tooth. Yeah. Even the lady that gets run over by the bus, there's, like, no blood, and it's just a quick shot. My favorite Yeah. Go ahead.

My favorite speed joke is when he's looking down on the bomb and he goes, fuck me. And then he's like, oh, darn. And he's Yes. It's so good. Gotta love Alan Ruck.

My favorite speed thing is actually at the end of the movie when Dennis Hopper is choking Keanu Reeves. You know why I won? Because I'm smarter than you. That's why I'm smarter than you. And Keanu lifts him up.

And Dennis Hopper gets decapitated and Keanu dumps his body off the side and goes, yeah. Well, I'm taller. On that note, our themes on the book ends are Jamie Henwood. What are we doing and what are we watching are Matthew Foskett. Ben?

Yes. I do some of those interstitials in there. Hey, that's cool. Chris Olds did some things. Paul does a lot of stuff.

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