Darkman / Never Falling Up Again (Guest: Gaius Boiling)

Gaius Boiling (Instagram / Letterboxd ) from the "Back to the Blockbuster," podcast DROPS IN for his choice ”Darkman."  (1990  d. Sam Raimi). Starring: Liam Neeson, Frances McDormand, and Larry Drake. It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's Liam Neeson as 'PRUUNNNNEEE TRACY' in this original Superhero flick from Raimi, the great and powerful. What are Darkman's "powers?" Is there a Face/Off with out a Darkman? How much was Neeson allowed to use improvisational comedy? And all that very intentional pink elephant stuff. We answer all these questions and more thanks to a generous grant from the NY film academy school and Flim Springfield. 4/15!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Oh, man. I should have saved that. Say it again. Say it again. Let's entertain these simple tins.

No. It was much better the first time. Welcome. It's the review review. I'm Ben.

I'm Paul. I'm Doctor. Peyton Westland. We did a face off thing. We've switched roles.

No. I'm Paul. I'm Ben. Thanks for joining us. The person that you're hearing so kindly laughing is the host of Back to the Blockbuster, Gaius.

Can help me with your last name. It's, it's just like the sport or activity bowling, but just bowling for me. Thank you. I feel it's like I was afraid I was gonna butcher it. So thank you so much for helping me.

That's the first name, right, which is, like, the most the hardest part. We did it. Yeah. Here you go. Hurrah.

There you go. Gaius comes to us as a guest as I've been a guest on Back to the Blockbuster with a movie called Darkman. And you're probably wondering if you're an expert on Darkman. How the fuck did this is a a franchise. There are at least three Darkman movies.

Everyone knows everyone knows that. Everybody everybody knows the son of Arnold Vos filmography. I'm not knowledge. Yeah. Get familiar.

But this this movie you're about to. This movie was on my letterbox, like, cheater list because I've not seen this movie for a million years, and I've been wanting to rewatch it. And KS was like, dude, give me give me fucking dark, man. I was like, yeah. Let's rock and roll with it.

But it does follow a bunch of our other rules. It's seven years old or older. It's less than two hours and twenty two minutes. It's not part of any major franchise. It's part of a franchise.

Yeah. Yeah. Straight to video. So Yeah. So, like, it covers a lot of the bases.

But as we've gone through, unless Ben, do you wanna say anything else about the face off situation or we Unless we wanna guess I don't know you. Nice to meet you. Thanks for being Nice to meet you. I wanna know more about you. I know about your podcast, and I'm a fan.

And I just wanted to hear more about you. Tell everybody. Thank you. Well, I am one half of Paxil blockbuster. The other guy, Jackson, who I think Paul might not think exists because he's never on when he's a he's a guest.

He goes to another school. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Right?

Yeah. He's all the way well, he is all the way in New Brunswick, Canada, and we run back to the blockbuster together. It's like a mix of, like, movie and entertainment news, plus we do milestone movie anniversaries. And, we have a built in spin off where we deep dive certain movies as well. And then, I also write full time for MovieWeb and then freelance for other, websites as well.

So it's pretty much this has, like, become my life. Mhmm. But, this is the most fun part of it, though, getting to do stuff like this and get to meet guys like you. And Paul, I already got to meet through, David Park who was like I I went to middle school with David Park, and that's how, that's how that kind of connection was made. It was all because of David.

So I guess I have him to thank. Yeah. For how this all seem to be. He and I are so close now. We don't say give me five.

We say, hey. Utah. Give me five. There you go. What's the point of what you got to?

Vince, like Just like, what the like, you know what? What's happening? Like like walking on the street Yeah. Or, like, you see him in the middle. I was I was two blocks away.

He thought I was Keith Morrison. He was like, wait. Wait. That was just a shine for the bald head. A a glimpse of his right hair.

You thought I was Chris Moore. I'm like, are you sure that was Give me two. Keith was. Keith Morrison. Morris.

Oh, man. Alright. Hold on. This is who's this is? This is going very fast.

Gaius. Oh, I'm not. Sure we'll put links so that people can find all your cool stuff, here. But now I wanna know what you've been doing. Well, what I've been doing, I've been busy with work, so I had to cover the Oscars from home, which wasn't as fun.

So I've I've I've gotten to go to events where you go to the event, and you feed other writers the info so they can write it. And that's fun because you get to kinda enjoy it, but you're just kinda texting like, this is what I'm hearing. And it's not as fun writing from your bedroom while you're watching the Oscars from your house, not at the event. But I had to do all that recently. I had a pretty busy week for a movie web because we were kinda short staff writer wise.

So I was What did you think of the Oscars? I thought they were perfectly pleasant and safe and Yeah. Moved along just right. I mean, I I Conan O'Brien was a good host, I thought, for the rest of the year. Yeah.

Nothing too controversial. Nothing too nothing to write home about, but I thought it was, like, entertaining enough. And Yeah. Most of the things I wanted to win won, so that was that was pretty good. You're you're a big Inora fan as well.

Right? I I am even though I did Yes. Same. In my Oscar pool, I didn't pick her. I went Demi Moore, so she cost me a million at my friend's house.

But, yeah, I was a big Anora fan, and I had no idea there was such discourse for that movie now. Like, when I go online now to, like, look at people talking about the Oscars, people suddenly hate it, and they didn't hate it a few months ago. They were loving it, but I guess that is just what happens. People's favorites don't win. And the world.

Yeah. It's literally, but yeah. I was happy. Did anybody see that Francis Ford Coppola, like, actually responded to me a lot of Razzie. Razzie.

I mean, he's like, shark tati on a razzie, motherfucker. Fuck you. He wrote this, like, lengthy post too. I was like, oh, yeah. He did.

Like, let I'll let it go. Paul, what you doing? Oh, me? Other than trying to get across fucking Hollywood and Highland and good fucking god, in the rain Takes a bit. Were you like a wet rat?

Yeah. It was a real to do. I'll tell you what. Were you like a wet Beetlejuice trying to get people to take photos with me? I'm trying to think about what I I'm coming to a decision.

You were a wet rat. I was a wet rat. Oh, holy shit. I lost my mind. In front of the in front of the triangle.

With the piece of pizza? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The dragon the pizza.

Yeah. That was me. You tried to give me your album. You tried to hand me your album and they told me $20. Charles Entertainment Cheese, wrap the lights featuring Lil' Ragamuffin.

So what have I been actually doing? You actually Sure. Fuck it. Why not? So outside of Crossing Hollywood and Island, especially folks that watch sports or basketball, you see basketball players with, like, these purple and red bruises maybe.

And I'm sure a lot of people know that that's from cupping. But I've been dealing with back issues as I almost always am and you gotta maintain. So I've been getting massages and stuff and, like, cupping. So I have all these, like, crazy big octopus. Oozes all over me that look like mini octopi, like, had attacked me or what have you.

But Octopi. God damn it. The way. Octopus. Octopussy.

Octopussy. But of course you are, dear. Yeah. That's another that's not the right I I don't maybe. You're on pause.

Yeah. Definitely. But the way it was broken down for me is it's like it encourages red blood cells to move Sure. To those areas. There you go.

Yeah. And it has been somewhat helpful. It's great. But that's the thing. It's like, you know, Aleve works, Tylenol works, Flexoral works.

Marijuana is the great miracle of existence. These things all all work, but also things like cupping and massage are are you great? Throwing out questions of whether they work like this is a Joe Rogan pocket? I just wanna make sure that people know from an Can we look that up? Can we look that up?

I want somebody to know from an authority. Does copying work? Look it up. That you you've tried everything. It's all good.

Yeah. It's all good. Okay. Ben. Yeah.

What you been doing? I have been out of town, and I will be out of town again. I was in Carmel Valley for my work. Beautiful. And it was really nice, actually.

It was it was really nice weather. And I worked there. Yes. I work as a, educator. And so Oh, nice.

I was with a group of young folk, and I'll be in Seattle next week, and then I'll be in Palm Springs. So I'm I'm a traveling man. Wow. But I had to bring up so we were staying in cabins, and their cabins had, like, some DVD players. Porn.

And so get it. One of the things we normally say is, like, you know, no screens. They're not allowed to bring their phones, which is great. It's a great, like But where do you get porn? Well, we, you know How do you get porn?

As as an adult with young people, I would hope that we don't have porn. Oh, shit. Porn. Yeah. He's bad.

He is an educator. Yeah. That would be that'd be bad. But, anyway, they found a they found a DVD in the place, and I walk in and they're watching it. And I was like, guess, you maybe have heard of this.

I had to look it up. I'm like, what am I fucking watching? It was an Italian Star Wars rip off Nope. Called What what was it? Star Odyssey.

Can I have a ride? 79. That's a weird rap. They're watching this, and it was, like, the most dubbed over Italian mustachioed men in ridiculous on spaceships, there's a lightsaber thing. And I I went and then deep dive and looked up.

It has, like, one star on Letterboxd, and it says, like, what the fuck am I watching? And, like, the the long oh, speaking of Letterboxd, you can follow me on Letterboxd at Run B And C. Oh, good call. Yeah. That's a good call.

You could follow me if you like. I'm at Paul x Badley. We're with someone that we know has a letter box. I definitely have a letter box. It's at G Reels.

It's, g underscore r e e l z. There you go. We did it. We did it. We fucking did it.

Anyway, we'll move on. Because I don't I don't wanna talk about this as well I'm watching, but what I'm watching. But I do wanna say that No. You're done. It's done.

For Star Odyssey, which we shall look up, is like this one has a racist version of three p o in it. I didn't look any further into it. I just was like, what? As the originals already got enough going on. Yeah.

Anyways, Star Odyssey. Look it up. We should move on. Check it out. Well, let's talk you can still talk about what you've been watching.

No. I wanna talk Geis, what have you been watching? Today, I just started, daredevil born again, and that was pretty good so far. Yeah. I'm pretty good.

Looking forward to it. And then I, I started watching Paradise as my friend suggested that I watched it. Mhmm. And it's pretty good. And then I also when I had to finish up watching, like, the stuff of the Oscars, I the only one I hadn't watched was a complete unknown, and I watched that before the telecast on Sunday, and that was pretty good as well.

I was really I was actually really, pulling for Timothee Chalamet too. That that didn't work out. I have a question for you. Did have did you see that, Ben? I did.

Well, did it feel like do you know what I mean when I say, like, Oscar bait? Did it feel like it was, like, we're going for awards here? My opinion on that movie going into it Yeah. Have you seen it? No.

Was that's how the trailers made me feel, and I got sick of seeing the trailers. Got it. And then I went into it, and I was actually like, actually, this is pleasantly surprising. Okay. I thought.

I felt I felt the same way. That's why I didn't see it in theaters. Like, the trailers were like it really felt like one of those movies, like, please give us an Oscar. Yeah. Okay.

And and then when I finally watched that, I actually thought, what's her name? Monica Aberrero? The body who yeah. Alright. Well, that She's so tall.

In a perfect in a perfect world, she woulda got best supporting the actress with Zoe Saldana swept everything for that very very ambitious bad movie that she was in. Okay. You two are in, like, quite a pocket this evening. I'm sorry. It's That's great.

I have not seen Oh, yeah? Either, Toby. Oh, I'll see one of them. I'll I'll see complete unknown. I'll keep the other one a complete unknown.

Okay. There you go. No worries. We'll leave it at that. Well, I Oh, too bad.

It was well it was well placed at one time. Yeah. It And that Gaius, thank you. Yeah. You just gotta drop it at the right moment.

I think Paul just wants to tell us what he's been watching. I would like to tell you, Gaius said dark man. And Oh, yeah. I guess that's We lost one of the greats recently. We try not to necessarily go into this kind of stuff.

We lost so we've lost so many greats over so much time. Yeah. Wearing a shirt that says directed by David Lynch. But we lost Jeanette. And that was rough for me.

Not that one thing is rougher than another, etcetera. But, boy, just so many movies. And I got in the mood for Sam Raimi and Quicken the Dead, And what a thing that is. It's so fucking cool. It's so good.

It's so self assured and so pulpy, and I just really, really, really enjoy it. And you can feel Gene Hackman just enjoying being evil. And he's so great at it. And he I think he doesn't feel that he's evil. Obviously, he's an actor.

It's like, no. These people need a leader, and I'm the guy. And I drew on that. So I have to be this way or whatever. Like, whatever he's using, it's working.

And you love the Dutch angles and the pushes and the pulls and all the crazy shit that you expect from this director. And I just had had such a great time with a movie that has so many homages to, like, High Noon and Little Big Man and The Searchers and all these other, like, westerns that are just barely peppered through there and just, like, mostly completely its own thing and turned the genre on its head and makes it so dynamic. It's just a really cool thing. Yeah. It's yeah.

I it's tragic. And I'm I know we haven't gotten all the information, but it was just, like, it was shocking. Which is a 95 year old. Yeah. It shouldn't be too shocking, but but when your last movie is Welcome to Mooseport hey.

He was on Spanish Drive Ins and Dives after that. So It was weird when I found out that he died because I was like, oh, because I he was old. So I was like, oh, he was old, and he like, that old age, he's died. Yeah. And then, like, we were getting emails for work, and I was like, oh, this is this is not normal.

Oh, this is weird. Yeah. And it's just getting weirder, each passing day. It sucks because apparently he was, like, notoriously private when he retired, and now his life is, like, kinda just Yeah. I out there right now.

I love what you're what you're saying about, being a private person and relocating to New Mexico for the last several years as he was retired. And then his last green appearance is him on Diners, Drive Ins, and Dives just being so charming and happy and Yeah. Like, propping up this restaurant they're at and whatever and just fucking shooting the shit with Guy Fieri. It's very fun. And Ben.

Yeah. Did you watch that? What? You're striking some times. Gene Ackman and the Pirates.

Yeah. I've been just watching that, actually. I'm just And heavy rotation. It's the only thing that makes me feel anymore. I'm sorry.

Every time I look every time I look in the mirror, I'm slowly turning more into Guy Fieri. You don't wanna dance? That thing wanted to be on. There has to be an animorph of that. So I've been I've been watching I'll quickly go through what I've been watching Or roll it out.

But, like, severance, Paradise, I'm enjoying it. Very good. Nice. White Lotus. I wanna start Daredevil.

I watched a lot of the award movies, but I think the one that I'll talk about because I went to the the last movie Yeah. The last movie I saw in the theater was The Monkey. Oh, me too. Oscar Perkins. I forgot about that.

Yeah. And I didn't like it. Okay. And I'm sad about that. And I ultimately come back to I think Osgood Perkins has, like, the best marketing team, maybe maybe ever.

Oh, man. It's neon, man. Find out who the publicist is. Yeah. Because I've been fooled twice now.

Well, how Fool me once. Shame on you. Shame on me twice, shame. Don't don't get fooled again. I guess I think ultimately for me is it's not it's that it's a it's not that it's badly made.

I think it's I actually think it looks great. I think it's a it's a it's a good looking movie. I think the marketing campaign didn't advertise what it was for me, which is a comedy. Yeah. About how existence is just tragic and weird and funny, and death is weird and funny.

And I guess I mean, I the reason I bring this up I mean, you shit yourself. Right? The reason I bring this up is just because I feel like he was trying to be Raimi a bit. Oh. And A bit.

And I think there's something to me that Raimi does so well, which is find walk, like, walk along a balance beam of tone. And I think it's really, really hard. Dicks. And I think that going to the absurd levels that Raimi does, this is what Perkins tried. And I don't I just felt like it was there was a three notes on a piano off for me, if that makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it could've gone one way or the other and been a better movie. And if definitely knowing it's a Stephen King short, I'm like, it's not in any it doesn't feel like Stephen King at all. Oh, interesting.

Okay. Except for maybe the some of the bad plot points. Yeah. Like and I like King, but, I mean, like, some of the weird, like, convoluted stuff and then, like, the ending is dumb. So I guess there are king like things in it.

But but I think, like yeah. I guess, I just I wanted to I was real I was at I talked to you before. I was excited. Yeah. And I didn't I did not like it.

And I conflated it with a movie called Monkey Shines where a guy who ends up paraplegic bursts. Fights a monkey to death. The the cover looks very similar. Spoiler. Shines.

Yeah. Burrito did the same thing. Yeah. Because he was trying a guy who bites some monkeys. He was telling me before we went cheer guy.

Because we met up before, and he was like, yeah. He was like, this is based on the one from the eighties. But I was like, I don't think that's about the story. I was like, no. It's that I created that memory.

What are you trying to tell me? That's not accurate at all. No. It took me a moment. And I can dodge bullets.

But then, you know, I did three seconds of research and was like, I was wrong and then came to terms with reality and admitted I was wrong and moved forward with my fucking life. But then you got measles. A lot of but in a lot of cases, that's all you need to do, right, is do But then you got measles. So Oh. And now I'm dead.

I just I eat birds that are sick, like, with. Well Just Central Park. Well, that's a He gotta eat the birds. If I've ever heard of a truer fact in my life, I don't know what it is. I'd I'd love to hear facts about this movie.

Let's do it. Archaeology is the search for fact. Life as a house. Let's do it as RFK. You can do it like this.

That is You just got an ad from him not too long ago. So oh god. Oh, Jesus. Going to jail. Maybe not prison, but Dark man.

Dark man kinda sounds like Dark man. Dark man. Dark man. Yeah. He does.

I like that he becomes kind of Irish. And he's sad that. Which That's old boy. Dude dude is. Right.

I know. But I mean, like As an I? But but it's just more so. With the teeth, it's hard to It's the teeth. By itself.

Yeah. But also, like, yeah. This guy's, like, all burnt up and shit. Like, I don't know. Fine.

Yeah. Shut up. Julie. That sounds like venom. Venom?

I'm on a bunch of head. Dark man, Renaissance Pictures, Universal. It is rated r. It came out in 1990, and it is one hour and thirty six minutes. The budget on this movie is 14,000,000, adjusted as 34,000,000.

Opening weekend, North America, August 20 Fourth 19 90. 8 Million US, but adjusted as 19.4. Final gross North America Woah. Woah. It's 19.444.

19 point 4 4 4. To the every dollar. Infinity. Thank you. Okay.

Four x four. Final gross North America, 3 3 Point 8 Million adjusted. That is 82,100,000.0. Final gross worldwide, 48,000,000. Adjusted at a 18.6.

Once again, the inflation numbers more just upset me. Right. Like, when you look at it How much was it worth? Yeah. This many years ago, and you're like, Jesus.

That's how much less my dollars worth. It could've been millionaires then. I invented Apple computers. I invented Apple computers. I invented Apple computers.

That's Steve Wozniak. I invented Apple computers. They burned up my lab, and I invented Apple computers in an abandoned warehouse. That's what I did. I don't take notes.

Alright. I was. Oh. You are the was name from this. Actually, that's a compliment.

Thank you. Yeah. There you go. I do go to NY Film School. So Pretty smart.

Threw your money away. NY Film School. That's right. Throw your money away. This this episode brought to you by NY Film School.

Are you are you from out of states and don't understand which school you should go to? Or what money is? Or what money is? Or inflation? Who cares?

New York City Film School. Of course. Right, Jeff? Poopies up on the strip. You could set it on fire, or you can give it to us.

Maybe cut that bit. What? No. Oh, hey, everybody. It's Paul from the edit.

Just wanna say sorry for the audio quality being a bit weird. We had a weird setup for this episode. Gay sounds amazing. Isn't gayce amazing? We love gays.

But I also wanna say, you could set the money on fire, or you could give it to the Poopies and movies strip. Movie completion program at New York cinema challenge school, not anything else. This guy, Bunjiman, was thinking, I don't know. Either way, back to the program. Other releases this weekend sorry, everyone.

Paul's moment. Other releases this weekend, men at work, Delta Force two. Weekend top five, this film, Ghost, Flatliners, Presumed Innocent, and My Blue Heaven. Other films from 1990, Pretty Woman, Frankenhooker, also the original title of Pretty Woman. This is the problem problem child.

That was also the original title of Anora. Yeah. The Working title for so many things. Hustlers, Everything. Problem child.

That's Paul. That's what your parents call you. Right? Yeah. Red pillows.

Gremlins two, the new batch. Jetsons the movie and March for Death. Again, Letterboxd. You can tell me at Remedy. This was three point four on Letterboxd.

You can follow me at Paul x Badly Gaius. Tell him again, please. You can follow me at at g reals. Do I need to spell it again? They'll figure it out.

Underscore reals with a z. It should be in the beginning of this episode. Frug life. It should be Evert and, I guess I guess, they gave the two thumbs up. Rotten to me those 83%, sixty % popcorn meter.

Metacritic, 65, seven point one user. Ben, good call. It was Sysco and Ebert. You were just reading from the teleprompter. It's not your fault.

Syskel and Ebert gave it two thumbs way up. Yeah. There you go. You can cut that in. Fuck you.

Get out of the house. Major award wins and nominations, Five Saturn award, including picture, actor, and dialectal. This is a genre movie. This is a big that's a This is a big deal. It's a big deal.

It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal, guys. I'm gonna tell you about some people. The director of this film is the aforementioned Sam Raimi, Army of Darkness, A Simple Plan, the aforementioned Quick and the Dead.

Writer Sam Raimi, Evil Dead, the original, Ivan Raimi, Drag Me to Hell. Another movie that like rides a fine line. Right? Like splatter, whatever. I forget the genre that Raimi calls it or whatever.

But it's it's something very specific and not many can do it. But Evil Dead reboots good. There are some things but let's don't breathe. There are a few. Sure.

But I feel like sorry. Not to please. Those movies that you just named all at least have some grounded stakes Mhmm. And emotional stakes. Absolutely.

The monkey to me had no Uh-oh. Oh, Biscuit. Daniel Sorry. God Goldwyn. Is it my eyes are going.

It's Goldwyn. Daniel Goldwyn. I'm out on a limb with this one. He also wrote that. Joshua Goldwyn, Wonderful World, and our old friend Chuck Ferrer Frere.

Hard Target. Before people get bored too. Director of photography is the great Bill Pope, the Matrix, Baby Driver, Clueless, and we cannot say Bill Pope without mentioning Team America, World Police, Music, Danny Elfman Who's this? Who's this? Dick.

Tracy I heard Bill Pope's in the hospital. Oh, no. That's the Pope. I'm sorry. That's the Pope.

Sorry. What's that? That jeweler. That was so good. RIP, baby.

And we don't we don't know yet. What do we have? Have to check our phones. Got all of that. Are we are we big in the Vatican?

It's too big. Dude, the the cast of Conclave had us on a loop. Be mindful of that than I do. Mission impossible. We nailed it.

Mission accomplished. As well as extreme measures. Thank you, Danny Elfman. Producers Rob Tapper, time cop, evil dead rise, thirty days of night, starring Liam Neeson. He's a funny guy.

Let's do some improvisational comedy right now. Alright. That's really good. Yeah. Now That's gonna you're gonna storm it, boy.

Peyton slash dark man I'm talking about. Nonstop taken next of kin. Francis, Francis McDormand, Julie, Nomadland, Burn After Reading, Fargo, Larry Drake, RIP, Durant, Bean spun, Doctor Giggles. Has anyone seen or heard of Doctor Giggles? I've seen Doctor Giggles.

It's fun. You think it's a fun, like, kind of, like, underrated, low budget slasher. Pretty solid. Pretty and he's a good actor. He's really good in this movie.

It's a fun, but very, like, nineties. Like, we're not sure where to go with horror horror movies. Yeah. It's in a it's in a weird spot. They killed Freddy.

We don't know what to do now. To do what yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Colin Friels, Lewis, Dark City, Class Action, High Tide.

Nelson Mashita, Yaki Tito, Bruce Almighty, Independence Day, Drive from '97. Has anybody seen that movie? I'm not. '97. Mark Dacascos, Kadeem Hardison.

It's fun. Kadeem Hardison? Different world. Movies with great fight scenes, that's one of them. Yeah.

Skinny Boy from White Men Can't Jump. It's fucking great in that movie. He's so good. Jesse Lawrence Ferguson, RIP, was Eddie, the Presidio, Boys in the Hood, Prince of Darkness, Rafael Robledo, Rudy, Toy Soldiers, American Knee, A Low Down Dirty Shame. Say Rudy.

That's my cat's name, guys. He has to live upstairs because he's just he's a disabled cat. He has his domain. Yeah. But he's he's he's he's come down the stairs and join us anymore.

But he's probably watching and listening. He's listening. That's I feel I feel a presence. From his own private screen? Yeah.

From from a baby monitor. He's watching us on a baby monitor. Yeah. Just like the memes. Exactly.

Dan Hicks. RIP. Skip. Oz the great and powerful. Wish master.

Maniac. Cop. Oz the great and powerful. What a what a fucking terrible movie. Oh my god.

Seen it. Never seen it. That was rainy. Yeah. I know.

I've never seen it. Sad. I mean, it was Disney. But Yeah. I have.

Fucking rules. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was a choir viewing from that at the at the Oscars. It was, like, one of the best parts of this.

The Queen Latif. Good Oscars overall. I I was very entertained, I will say. Ted Raining in case, what were you gonna say? Oh, sorry.

No. I said Queen Latifah did the whole Yeah. Oh, yeah. She was great. Yeah.

I think I called her the Queen Latifah, which I don't know why. The Queen Latifah. The Queen Latifah. Yeah. You know her.

Which Queen Latifah? The queen Latifah. Queen. Latifah. Duh.

Yeah. The equalizer. Ted Raimi Makes me wanna rewatch Chicago. I haven't watched that movie in a long time. Good movie.

I'm usually not a huge musical person. I really enjoy that movie. Yeah. It's pretty good. Ted Raimi was Rick.

He was also in Candyman. Candyman? Candyman? No. Candyman.

Stop. Has anyone seen you, Steven? Have you? Oh. Oh, Candyman.

Wait. Is it Candyman? Candyman? If he says candyman or why? If somebody says candyman.

Oh my god. And we want two more than one. So you It's going to be a bad candyman night, candyman, candyman, candyman. I love that movie. Are you gonna say the OG especially?

Both are solid, but the OG especially. Yeah. Both are good. Were there any sequels or just the reboot? There's a second one, like, Farewell to the Flesh or something like that.

And I think there's a third one. There's a third one that went direct to video that I forgot the subtitle for. Yeah. And I think Tony Todd was in all three. Three of them.

I believe. Wow. RIP Tony Todd. Yeah. Ted Raimi.

What was okay. Evil Dead two and postcards from the edge. Gaius, you have some fun facts for us. Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody.

It's fun fact time. Fun facts. This film spawned two direct to video sequels with Arnold Van Leeu from Hard Target and The Mummy, Emo Tepo, Taking over for Liam Neeson in the lead role of Darkman, Larry Drake reprised the role of Durant in the second installment, the return of direct, and I would, feel remiss not to mention the third one called Darkman three die, darkman die because it's very direct. Die, darkman die? No.

Dark man. That's Four. Chicago, they do nothing. Dark man. Dark man four.

Chicago, they do nothing. They do nothing. They do nothing. The movie The movie is loaded with uncredited small appearances of notable industry types such as Joel Cohen, Ethan Cohen, Ginny Agutter, Neil McDonough, Stark Kornfeld, producer, William Lustig, producer, Scott Spiegel, professor Tanaka, and, of course, Bruce Campbell. Bill Paxton and Bruce Campbell were considered for the role of Peyton Westlake slash Darkman.

And after being unable to secure the rights to the shadow and Batman, Sam Raimi created his own original character drawing pieces of inspiration from the host back in Notre Dame, Phantom of the Opera, and the Elephant Man. Just a sign of possible, troubles on set. This film went through 12 preproduction production drafts on the script, including at least one uncredited pass by, the Coen brothers. Not bad for us to do a pass. That's a lot of passes, though.

They they were all friends. I heard so I heard that Yeah. I guess so. I heard that Ramey had Campbell in the lead and Universal wouldn't move forward. They said no.

Yeah. Because they didn't think he was gonna be a draw. As an actor, you need star. But was Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee for him that I could think of. But Campbell has already done army of darkness and I don't think army of darkness yet.

But he done evil dead, evil dead two, maniac cop. So, like He done a few things for sure. But maybe he was just considered more of a cult. Maybe. Yeah.

So that's why Universal said, no. Don't worry worry. Is it how about that tall, milky Irish dude? Which I think that's I I will say, you'd think that this movie would have, like, amazing fight scenes. And I think dark man's main superpower is falling on people.

Oh, no. A lot of it. Don't. I'm melting myself. Yeah.

The last minute. It's flapping people. Yeah. Yes. I have terrible news.

What's up? I'm falling from the rafters yelling. What's the log line of this movie? So this is a big thing I was watching your episode or listening to your episode. Log line is different from, like, the tagline that's on the poster.

Right? Right. Right. It's the, like, three one to three sentence elevator pitch. Alright.

I'll I'll go with this one. A disfigured scientist horribly burned during a brutal attack uses his experimental synthetic scan to create multiple identities and exact revenge on the criminals who destroyed his life, becoming the mysterious and terrifying vigilante known as dark man. That was great. K. Let's take There's one on the poster that is very short and to the point.

Family. Let's do something. Hey. A brilliant scientist left you for dead return to exact revenge on the people who burned him alive. Took his eyes.

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They're biting me for a while. And I got it, and I was like, oh, it's just covered in butter. Yeah. Like, the dough was just covered in butter. And it's not actual butter.

It's like movie theater butter flavor. It's, like, covered in clogged arteries. That's all of it. Yeah. This is monitoring.

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We have a deck of cinephile. Oh, Rudy is making his presence in the game. Well, dark man had a cat too, guys. He's he's a few cats. Right?

He's a big big fan of those cats. I like that. I did like that. I I think that is I thought that the elephant man has cats. Did I make that up?

I don't know. I can't remember slash remember. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember.

Can't help. I might have had canoned that. Invisible man, I think, did. Maybe. Yeah.

Yeah. Because this has definitely got some of that going on too. Yeah. Sorry. Let's play the game.

So it you will say the actor's name and you get that movie, and then it's a freebie movie for you. And then Paul will go, and he has to name a movie that actors in. And then it'll Jesus Christ. I'm trying to explain the Russian movie. What the fuck?

Oh, great. It's just me and Lucas. In between the scenes is all figured out. Yeah. All we found of Paul was his ear.

So and we're gonna assume He wouldn't he wouldn't much to bury it now. We don't we don't think for a second that this other body that we can't identify could potentially be the dead body of the person disappearing. But, you know No. It's not. It's it's John Doe.

I'm here. Hey. Without this burning body in the in the river, what do you think it's called? A homeless. That's it.

No. That's ridiculous. It's just a homeless. I was like, okay. That's that's not from the building explode.

You get the fuck out. Cinephile. So are you ready? Yeah. With the Paltrow, royalty and bombs.

Great. Sliding doors. Iron Man. Oh, great expectations. Iron Man two.

Oh, here we go. Iron Man three. Avengers in game. Avengers. The first Avengers?

Yeah. Is she in it? Is she in it? She might Age of Ultron. Is she in this?

Avengers. Hey, Siri. Shit. Is She's not being turned on. When is Paltrow in the Avengers?

Fuck. Hey, Alexa. Shakespeare in love. No. You don't need it.

Alexa, is Gwyneth Paltrow in the avengers? Yes. The cast of the avengers, the movie, are Robert Downey Junior, Chris Evans, Mark Rogers, and what are you doing? Alexa, stop. Okay.

Okay. Well, it is allowed. Oh, go with it. Oh, I already gave two more away, though. Well, is she is she in Avengers Age of Ultron?

Let's assume she might be might make that be your guess, I guess. Gaius. Oh, it's my turn? Yeah. Seven.

Shakespeare and love. Set. Set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set, set such a random movie, but she's in that. I've lost. Okay.

I'm just gonna admit it now. Yeah. I've lost. So we just spent wasted all that time a couple of weeks. Could've just been could've just been people right to know about your first experience.

But we but now but now we know that she might have been in Yeah. Maybe in the Avengers. We don't know for sure, but she might have she, like, popped she's in, like, two seconds probably, like, popped in the door and dropped off coffee in love. Yeah. Thank goodness we had this learning experience about which Avengers movies Gwyneth fucked.

So Instead of that Goopy pussy candle pouch of the first experience with experience with the movie Duck bath. Dark lamp. Goop. I I don't remember my exact bunch of poop. Yeah.

I understand. I got a candles that look like Make it anything. Make it anything. My neighbors are like, pretty incredible. They're a good knock knock pretty soon.

My man. Oh, no. I can't. So Oh. I don't remember my first experience exactly.

I know that this most recent experience is my third time seeing the movie. But I know I saw the movie at some point in my life on VHS and remember liking the movie the first couple times that I saw it. But had it rated on my Letterboxd before watching it again at a 3.5. K. I rewatched it yesterday because I did I've only watched it a couple times, but I did happen to own it.

So I was able to on Blu ray. On Blu ray. Able to transfer it for $2 to digital because that's how I like to watch things. It's how you it's how you roll. That's what I do.

So I went to New York film school. Respect me. Leave me alone. You you didn't pay with the DVD inserts? Is that how you got it?

It was better than burning them. Better than setting them on the fire. Gladiator. I got Halloween. Cold Mountain.

What do you need? Oh, cold mountain. What a cold. I got that cold mountain. I got cold mountain.

What do you need? Hollow Man's kind of inspired by dark man, is it not? No. Oh, man. Not.

No. Probably. Was that your, was that your final paper at New York Film School? Yes. Oh, man.

Inspired by dark man. I pulled up, but not quite Lake Cold Mountain. But not as good as all written. Yeah. So I watched it again yesterday and had a very good time.

Some of the green screen stuff is like like, were you really confident about this or assured about this? Or does it have that pulpy feel you like? Or what is it? It's got some flaws or whatever. But overall, I think it pushes some envelopes that I really like.

It doesn't push them on envelopes that I don't understand why it doesn't more so at times. I dare say this movie could be six or ten minutes longer. I could have done with a little more, a little gory or a little whatever. I I really would have liked to see some really fluid fight scenes rather than people being fallen on you. Oh, god.

I got to drop on you. Well, he's the he's the dark. Come on. Yeah. It's he's part of the job.

He's not he's not skilled in any hand to hand. Apparently not at all. He's just No. He's a scientist. He has no feeling.

Right? Yeah. Which Which is like Novocaine. By the way, yeah, which is coming soon. To a decision.

So let's see that. See that. He desperately wants his girlfriend back. Does his dark man part, is it even there? Does he even work?

Would he feel anything? Yeah. That's a whole conundrum when he What's he really looking for here? So either way, now that we're done talking about his part for now, I I'm gonna I really like the way it's shot. I like so many things about it.

I like the way it's written. I give it it's it's a pretty solid three and a half. Three and a half drinking birds because the bird is drinking the water. Is it my turn? I didn't want I want Geis to go first.

It's up to it's between you two. Gaius, probably You brought us I will do whatever you want. I think you should you should go first. What a guy. Alrighty.

I saw it, for the first time right before the first Spider Man came out because I actually hadn't seen a lot of Sam Raimi's movies. So we kinda just rented a bunch of them in our like, Evil Dead, Evil Dead two, and Dark Man was one of them. I remember really liking how campy it was, you know, back then, like, when I was a teenager. And then also and then going to see Spider Man realizing, like, okay. There's shades of, like, what Sam Ray could do with even more money, if he had the opportunity to.

Mhmm. So I really enjoyed it then. I think when I watched I think I watched it before this. I watched it today, but before this, it was gonna be five, oh, like, two years ago. And I think I would have nailed it right on a three and a half then.

It does have issues. I I essentially, what you said about it being a little longer, I actually was impressed that it basically is a superhero origin story, but it's pretty brisk and moves pretty fast. And you get enough of the you get enough of the origin and you get enough of whatever the main story is. So I was pretty okay with that. Like, not everything needs to be, like, hour forty two hours plus.

So I was Sure. Cool with how how cool, how full it moves. And then, some of the green screen stuff did get to me, but I have to remember it was made in it came out in 1990. So I was like, I can't really but on four k, it's very jarring how bad some of the green screen stuff is is. It's, like, really yeah.

It's really, like, eye catching. But I think other things are really good. It is shot really well. I think the score by Danny Elfin is really good. There are shades of Batman in that score that are really, really good.

I think the character itself is also pretty cool and interesting. Could've done without the love story stuff. Doesn't really work. I don't know if it's because Frances McDormand. I actually watched the interview with her on the Blu ray, and she blatantly said that she was not right for that part because she is not, like, a damsel in distress by any means.

She was friends with, like, Coen Brothers and Sam Raimi, so that's why she was in it. Yeah. There's little issues with it, but I still think it's a nice mix of, like, superhero movie and, like, camp and a little bit of horror too. There's, like, a lot of stuff that he's kinda messing with, and may maybe, like, his reach out see his grasp. Well, I think he did a lot.

This was his first studio movie, so it was $14,000,000 he got. That that was the most he ever got to play with at that time, and I think he did, you know, the best he could with it. So I think it still holds up pretty well, and it's pretty entertaining. Oh, good. Three and a half, three and a half.

Half. Yeah. I had never seen this movie, so I Oh, wow. This movie five times time on Monday. And, yeah.

It was alright. Did you know it to you went in totally blind. Pretty much. I mostly just remembered that he could wear different people's or make different people's suits. I didn't even know I didn't know that part either.

And he wears a No. Sweet ass Okay. Sweet ass fedora fedora hat with his Trichka. Yeah. Yeah.

He's very very much Very stylish. He would have been great Freddy Krueger at a point. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Just fuck kick k. With the leading glove first. Scary shit. Bitch. Come on for you, bitch.

Scary shit. Big shot. What are you, bitch? Fuck the prime time, bitch. Yeah.

It's alright. It's okay. I don't I don't think it's fine. I use good. It's fine.

It's, you know, I think, like, it's it's it's I'm so It's distracting. Yeah. I'm just so overwhelmed with superhero shit now. Yeah. Yeah.

This is coming from me who's, like, grew up reading comics, loves the genre. Yeah. And so, anyway, I think because I didn't see this movie in the nineties or even early two thousands, it it's fine. It's fine. Like, you can definitely see it's proto Spider Man.

There's so much especially, you can also tell that Raimi really loves and this is this case in all of his Spider Man, he really loves the villains, like shooting the villains, filming the villains. Yeah. Like, the villain like, between Green Goblin and The performances too. And and the kind of how villainous the villainous aspects of this character. That's, like, what draws him in a little bit more Sure.

Which I think is the best part. Yeah. And I think that's the best part of this story. Are the are the villains. We're gonna talk about it.

It's fine. I'm sitting at three. Take the pink elephants. Pink elephants. Take the elephant.

Take the fucking elephant. That's what I'm talking about. My elephant. Dude, what do you think? The fucking forget me.

The the thing the so his his powers are, I can't feel anything, at least maybe not in his hands or whatever, super strength, and fucking roid rage. But Roid rage. Yeah. I I think we should more girlfriend. I think I have so much I wanna say, but I think we should just start.

So three and a half drinking words, three and a half, and three. Three. Three pick elements. You know, that's not as bad considering what I thought you were gonna say because you were like, it's alright. I thought it was gonna lower.

I thought it was too. I mean, I was teetering between a two and a half and a three, but I think the yeah. I mean, I think there's still a lot of charm in this, and I think it's obviously very it's very brainy, and it's not unentertaining. Like, there are aspects of it that are original and unique, you know. And so I think Yeah.

It's not unambitious. No. It but, you know, from the lens of knowing where how much of the genre we have now, it's also not, like, reinventing the genre. But there was not really a A genre. Yeah.

A genre at the time other than Batman and '89 Batman and and Superman in the movie. Well, yeah. A couple things that came before it, like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was about the same time, but that's also, like, the ultimate masterpiece. But this movie is kind of the big the beginning of because the superhero kind of thing to a degree. Because, again, he couldn't get the shadow.

He couldn't get Batman. Right? But he does do Spider Man one, two, three. He does do doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness. He he knows this.

So he's just so ingrained in it. And I think this is our first Raimi. That's right. We've done, like, 80 episodes, and this is our first Raimi. I'm pretty sure of it.

Yeah. We've covered him twice, and that's it on our show. Oh, which, which? Do you remember? We did, like, a combo evil dead and then the remake, like, comparing the two.

Oh, yeah. Okay. And then, we did multiverse of madness in the show, like, a long time ago, like, when he came out. So we could do more. Now he has done better, you know, other things that we can talk about.

Like Drive Me to Hell is on my I love that movie's list. Love that movie. I love that movie too. Yeah. Be be ready for that evil dead level of gore at times.

Speaking of shit, let's splatter. Let's start it. Start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie.

Start the movie. Start the movie. And now, our feature presentation. Here's some of the stuff I'd like to work on. So I'm watching this on digital Stand up comedy.

And I get the new universal logo, and then it does the Yeah. Walk through of all the universal logos, and that made me very happy. So you got the black you got the black and white ones? Yep. We the with the old plane and all of it.

Yeah. I really like when studios do stuff like that. Me too. I like when we see the old Warner Brothers, like, seventies logo on Argo. Oh, yeah.

It's like they'll, like, solve the ass. Yeah. But, like, they'll remember it. Someone will remember it. Nostalgia.

Yeah. When the universal logo when the when the words start to pass kind of one direction by you and then another direction, that was so fucking cool in the theater. I mean, I was in my seventies then, but I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm pointing at you.

That's not how the force works. There are my recent number. It's one of the it's another in the What's your favorite what's the first movie that comes to your mind when you see the universal logo? Jurassic Park. I guess.

Yeah. Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park here too? Well, yeah. Yeah.

That's the first one that yeah. I mean, Hard Target's up there. Also, I just heard Top Cops up there. There's a new You're gonna say, like, too fast, too furious. So forget about it, because Who knows what I'm saying.

Don't say that. It's the one that's, like, the car thing. Their Universal is finally closing that stupid ass Fast and Furious Oh, they are? Part of the tour. Oh, yeah.

It's not good. It's garbage. Yeah. It's really good. Closing it.

Oh. We had a big rally about them closing that at NYU Film School. Oh, did you? We walked up Lankershim and how long were you gonna raise money to get raise money to close Shut it down. Shut it down.

How many You're pro protesting? That's irrelevant. More than zero. K? Oh, man.

And voice were were the la they allowed it. So, we get introduced to this laboratory Yeah. Right off the bat. And the Elfman score right off the bat. So good.

Like, boom. Boom. Boom. Yeah. The opening titles are good.

Yeah. It's didn't matter. It's gonna waste some space. It felt like Batman. The whole opening, I was like, this feels like 89 Batman.

It's just much brighter. Yeah. But the If you're outside of the day, it's It almost feels like that almost feels like Elfman is ripping himself off a little bit. Yeah. I I wonder if some of it was unused stuff for me.

From Tim Burr Tim Burr was like that's why I cut I mean, I like it, but if that's what I like. But, like, I feel like Tim Burton was like, yeah. I don't want that. So he's like, fine. I'll use it as a mouse.

I get the sense of adventure, though. We talk about this with these types of movies. I get the sense of adventure. Yeah. Totally.

For sure. And it does it carries. But there's this warehouse deal with Durant. Oh, right. The bad guy.

And this we're introduced to this guy being like a ruthless fucking killer. With a bad haircut. Yeah. And he's he's the low villain. He's the henchman.

I mean, yes. That is true. He's cutting people's he's not the final boss. Yeah. But that's He is, but he's not.

But he's not. That's a fault. That's a fault of the movie. He's the scariest boss. Yeah.

I agree. It's like they make him the they make him the heavy heavy, and it's like, that's part of why this doesn't get a five for me. It's just like, well, the more satisfying thing is Yeah. The climax to me is not that Yeah. It's It's be that the yuppie arc, which is not nearly as fun.

And he's like, suddenly it's day. He's like, it's just Yeah. Yeah. That. That too.

Yeah. Like, running all over the beans. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Do you like a bitch? In Les Mis? No. Russell Crowe? Russell Crowe.

Okay. Do you remember when he was, like, jumping around rooftops? No. Probably not. I can't imagine why.

Totally made up for the movie, not in the musical. He's just, like, jumping around like Peter Pan on rooftops. I wanna see this. I'm a fan of this movie. I'm I'm interested now.

That movie. Sorry. No. It's okay. I forgive you.

They're at the docks with these other bad guys, Durant and his bad guys. And this dude has a wooden leg, and it's actually a gun. And there's a cigar cutter thing, and Durant, like, collects fucking fingers from people. Feels like a very, like, rough, cliche, like, evil movie opening. Yeah.

But it also is like Like Dick Tracy or something. Or I thought the Flash TV series as well Yeah. Yeah. With Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp and Oh, that one. Both of them.

The Flash TV series from like the eighties, nineties, not the new one or not. But they're all cheesy. Yeah. But it has that same it has the look of these things we're talking about. Absolutely.

But it is still classic Raimi with like the Dutch angles and looking Yeah. It's so great. Like theatrical lighting and shadows. But also, it's, like, it's an r rated movie, and I think the, bat one of the bad guys says, alright. Let's get this crap going.

This is weird. He's straight ahead. Is that one of those? Other than other than killer people? Yeah.

He doesn't kill people. He just, like just does that, but he doesn't he watches his mouth. He does his hail Marys after. Yeah. He's like, kill this mother lover.

I know he does because he listens to this podcast. He was part of the cast of Conclave as well. Here's a reality check. He was a New York film school grad as well. But he's a You're so proud.

The credits are really cool as well as all the flashbacks. Credits. Jesus Christ. And the flashbacks are really cool. And they're designed by a specific it's an Italian designer that does this.

But, like, we're in the lab and kinda getting an idea of he's trying to create this fake skin. That's the thing that I remember most is is jumping in. The other stuff was, like, meh to me. But, like, the lab was, like, and also I'm seeing The village introduction's not effective for you. Not really.

It's again, it's very cliche. The guard cutting with the I guess it is with the saccar cutting with it. Yeah. I like the push. I mean, it's multiple pushes.

It just didn't it just didn't stand out as anything. Oh, clearly. Yeah. But but but the the lab, it reminded me again, like, it feels like proto doc oc sort of, like Yep. That's the stuff about Raimi that I love is, like, this fun little world building with this science.

Science. Yeah. Yeah. And he's got a three d printer, which you know what? Very cool.

Right? And he's got a psychic He's a robot computer. Yes. I'm a robot computer. He's a lab assistant.

Okay. Please no. I don't know why anything They Oh, no. Don't. Don't.

You're Jimmy Stewart, and I don't know what I'm dark. Hang on. Take a take a take a fucking elephant. No. I'm glad I got an elephant.

I got an elephant. Dumb nuts. It's way more dumb nuts. So Yeah. Peyton's got this thing about him that's, like, there's a little bit of a Clark Kent y kind of a deal where he's like, oh, whoops.

Woe is me. Like, kind of a screaming clumsiness about him where he gets this coffee ring on this Barbasudic Very Barbasubius. And they make that a plot point for all, like, like, huge plot point. They pay attention to that, like, little coffee circle on that piece of paper because it's important. I mean, yeah.

It's a very, like you know, I mean, it's fine. It's just like, yeah, corporation's bad. Dude, who runs a corporation bad. What's the name of the the Belisarius memorandum or what is it? Yeah.

It's like it's like it's like it sounds like some evil, like, odd villain. The villain. Film school requirement. I I also think it sets up that most of the things that happen in this movie are is Frances McDormand's fault because, like, she kinda, like, sets a lot of this in motion without even She goes to him and she was like, this looks like bribes. And he's like, oh, yeah.

Totally bribes. It's like you're committing a bribe. Cool? So we cool? She didn't think, like, I should talk to a lawyer.

Hey. Like, yo. Where is it? She's like, well, it's not with me. Like, oh, it's at your boyfriend's house.

Okay. I'll get it. You know, like, set up a thing like, this looks like it's She, like, drew them a map. It's just too good. I should go to the authorities.

It's at my boyfriend's lab. She okay. The main baddie says to Frances McDormand, you know, who would really like to have this document is the evil mobster that cuts people's fingers off. And she's like Robert. Well, I don't have it.

My boyfriend has it. He's at his work at 111 First Avenue 123 Second Floor 123 Fake Street. He accidentally said Since that's the problem, I don't I don't have it with me. I'm like, oh, girl. It has a coffee stain on.

It's like you're supposed to say like, I don't have it. Someone else has it. And then don't tell them. You don't say like, oh, I don't have it. It's right over there.

Well, it it oh, you'd say oh, got it. It's oh, it is right over there. It's just Stanford. No problem. It's just it's a short walk.

It's in Burbank, California. So Francis McDormand's, like, at this work meeting, and I forgot this kind of robocopy storyline of the tearing the city down to build a Building a brand new world. Like Yeah. He wanted to be, like, you know, the king of the people. And that storyline, I think Robocop did it so well.

Ben, you haven't seen this. Gaius, how long has it been since you've seen this, you said? Couple few years? Oh, yeah. Couple years.

Yeah. Did does that storyline work for either of them? Not I mean, I it feel like it was done better elsewhere. So Okay. It just seemed like it just feels like a copy of, like yeah.

And Robocop? I mean, I feel like It also doesn't feel like a big enough thing to be, like, to make a evil plot point in a movie like this. Like, it I guess I'm so used to, like, world domination now that it's like, oh, this is just, like, business. Yeah. Like, this is very small scale now.

This comic book movie ain't shit. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think it's it's it's just when when it, like, revealed, I was like, yeah. Okay.

Like, it just where's the, like, that made sense. Like, where's where's the energy cloud? Yeah. Where's our beam? Where's our beam?

Where's our beam? Where's our beam? Where's the thing that makes everybody snarely or whatever? Yeah. Root.

Root. Root. Yeah. You have fifteen seconds to comply. Compline.

So there's That movie's perfect. Then it's perfect. Thank you. So the lab skin testing thing that Peyton is trying to do, basically, what he's trying to do is help burn victims and people that have lost their skin and help them with new, probably permanent skin, but the skin keeps breaking down after ninety nine minutes. How amazing.

Unless it's in the dark. How amazing. They find out. Convenient that he has that job. That that's exactly what he's doing.

That's so great for him. He's the exact convenient that and the power goes out, not because of anything he did because they probably shut it off the bad guys. He's like, oh, wait. This is exactly what I needed. Yeah.

It's like assistant. The squad shows up. Durant and all the bad boys show up. The squad. By the way, like, you can kinda smell it when they attack Peyton because they want this Belisarius memorandum or whatever, and his hands burn and everything.

And there's, like, some Oh, that's pretty bad. Stop motion and stuff, but it's, like, it's pretty fucking brutal. Like, this I was imagining what it must smell like. Because that's It burnt it burnt it burnt hand. It burnt hand.

Chemical burns and all this other shit. They kill his assistant. Ted Raine And he does like a he does like a violent as shit. Ice dance. Yeah.

It's pretty violent. Oh, yes. He does. I was like, hey. He does like a karate stance.

Yeah. They had to give him kung fu because he's Asian? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay.

There's something there's some things we've already talked about that about this movie that I'm like, are you sure? New York City. It's 1990. And it's only some degree in the past. It was just more prevalent.

Yeah. He, like, disarms that dude with some some, like, karate shit. Yeah. It's pretty good. Gets fucking shot in the head by the By Ted Raimi.

Ted Raimi. Good. Very good. Yeah. Maybe dude.

First kill, apparently. Like, they make a big deal of that. He's like he's like, I'm proud of you, Rick. Exactly. Did anyone else because I spit out my water when I was watching this, and the explosion happens, and his body goes through.

It's hilarious. I thought of the opening of casino. Well, he make and he makes that noise like, ah. Yeah. I'll fall down for the rest of forever.

I'll never fall up again. I almost expected him to, like, come straight towards the camera, and then it freezes. And then it's just like him saying, yep. That's me. This was the worst day I'd had until Oh, it's like dead of the next day.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Exactly. There's Deadpool. And thank and thankfully, he lands on the fucking water Working for him.

Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. Well, and, like, the bomb that the whole thing of it the way it shot is actually pretty incredible.

It's gorgeous. It's framed really well. Like, it's it is hilarious. Explosion. And, like, the drink funny.

The drinking bird bomb is fucking great. It's very menacing. Yeah. No. Uh-oh.

But I also think it's funny. Intentionally, like, serially pulpy, though. That's for sure. But it's, like Yeah. It's hilarious.

Yeah. It's very funny. But then, like Just maybe the overall intention. Yeah. I only found his ear.

And then, like Yeah. This is what I think is funeral for that tiny piece. They have funeral and piece of ears. He ends up in this experimental medical wing. And this is where I okay.

How many so he he got his hands burnt, chemically burnt. He got his, like, face put in acid or something. I don't know. Burnt. Yeah.

Whatever that is. Yeah. Yeah. Chemically burned. Yeah.

He then exploded out of his, like, an apartment blew up, and then he was put into a medical ward where they then turned off his ability to feel and gave him super strength. Strength. And, look, dude, just like it's not like it's just not, you know, it's not like, a kid comes from outer, like, most superhero origins are way less complicated. Yeah. Yeah.

The spider bit me. And she and she also she also says that he has burns on over forty over forty percent of his body. It was like, that shot looks like of him coming out the building looks like a % I think what she said was 400% of his weight. Yeah. I mean, he just blew up.

He was in a place that I'll never fall up again. Why did they need to chemically burn his hands and his face first when he was just about to blow up anyway? As an actor, you need to talk to him. You know Ben they're adding insult to injury or injury to injury. I drew on that.

Anyway, it's just like it's like crazy steps for him to become the dark man. It's kinda like what you're saying when he's strapped to this crazy contraption and she's like, yeah. He feels no pain. Check it out. And starts stabbing.

With a needle. And you're like, hey. And they all laugh. I'm like And he's so he's like, well, this is bad. And he escapes and has his first crazy acid flashback thing.

Yeah. Because, what did they say in the hospital? Something like that their brains because they can't feel, like, on the exterior, the interior begins to, like Yeah. Reacts to something. Basically, she made it crazy.

Like Robocop. Yeah. And it's also, like, I I thought I saw some proto, green goblin. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. And then he finds a perfect trench coat out in the rain. Yeah. Just, like, in the garbage. He's like, man, it's perfect.

Right? Yeah. He's like, perfect. Great. Tailored perfectly for my body.

He's got an extra little KP cookie for me. All over LA this last Halloween for a trench coat, and I couldn't fucking find one. You know, all you had to do is walk down to the dumpster, write down this take a short walk right down and my foot was so found your your dark man Yeah. And all these diplomas that were, like, from China. He gets a Oh, from university?

No. No. All the time. Oh, man. Oh, I'm sorry.

Did that get shut down? University. Anymore? We are now under arrest. Oh, okay.

Well, I guess I'll leave that up. The lab is, like, a wreck. Right? And he goes through it, gets all of his old shit, and somehow invent Apple computers in his new And then it still works. Layer full of mad pissed off cat yeah.

Gaius. Yeah. They all still work. I mean, well, I mean, I think it's funny that he's all emotional. I mean, it's kind of a sad.

He's like, oh, my work. All this stuff. He tries to photo, and he's like, no. No. No.

Oh, and he takes the off of his face. And he takes, bandages off to see what his face looks like, and he's like, oh, I'm ugly. He didn't say that, but, like, nobody's singing. And the the makeup is good. It's a makeup effects Yeah.

That's really good. It's The makeup effects in this, I love. The digital effects in this really set Liam on fire? Yeah. Yeah.

The digital effects are real rough. But the I love his layer overall, though. It's cool. Like the layer feels very tangible and like approachable to a degree. Like it feels like in twenty three days and nineteen minutes, which is five hundred and seventy one hours, that this guy that could probably put all this shit back together.

And they get things pretty going. Really Super smart guy. Again, super convenient that it happened. But he's like but he's always like, revenge. I hope he must act.

My head. My head. My head. Dance party. Dude, when he okay.

So the first guy he gets is Ted Ramey who killed his assistant Mhmm. Of these queens. Because that's the main thing that he's doing now is picking up the kinos one by one. I was thinking of the crow a lot. A lot of that too.

There's so many Retribution to all that. Yeah. Well, he's not really a superhero. You know? He's an anti hero or not even that.

Yeah. I don't know. But he before like the crow where it's just like he's on he's on the path. Vengeful spirit. Yeah.

But the Ted Ramey thing out of the manhole, I think, is kind of great. Oh, yeah. That would have been fun. That he gets his head run over. And he's, like, bouncing him up and down too.

Yeah. It's funny. Right? Well yeah. But it's, like Yeah.

What's weird to me I know that they talk talk about the brain starts to react to be the exterior, but, like, he could he's he's, like, he's, like, pretty fucking insane. Yeah. He's very insane. Yeah. To be fair, I think we all would be the I mean, in that Sure.

Situation. One of the things I'm surprised about story wise just because of, like, Crow, that they didn't kill his love interest. Because she's dating because that other guy's in love with her, like, the main court of the guy. She she dates him despite the fact that she knows he's a criminal. I think that's funny too that she knows that he did something wrong early in the movie, and she's like, he was there for me when I needed someone.

Alright. Yeah. Within a couple weeks of her almost fiance getting blown the fuck up. Not falling down, but blowing up. Yeah.

But, man, you get lonely. Yeah. I yeah. You know? Especially if you're not, like, independent or Yeah.

What have you, you get lonely. So Yep. You're not solitary and you're lonely. But I do I do I agree what you're saying. That's true.

Gaze when you're saying, like, the love story in this to me. Or were you saying what Gaze was? Yeah. It just Yeah. It's not really and, also, if you're gonna go on the dates with your girlfriend and you're wearing this makeup that can't go in the light, why don't you go at the fucking night?

I don't take no. Just I got dinner at dinner. Yeah. Tomorrow. Time for.

I thought this was a fucking He goes to a bright ass carnival, a bright ass lunch date. Yeah. Everything is Like, a a bright a bright ass funeral visit. Like, everything is during the day when he visits her. And he's like, oh, I gotta get back to the to the hospital.

Like, I don't want you to see where I'm going. Like, I'm like, yeah. What the fuck? What what are we doing? But, also, most of the combat and stuff happened in the middle of the day, and the movie's called dark man.

So the whole time, I was like, what? What's the true. Like, the main, like, action sequence is during the day, like, in broad daylight. Yeah. That's That's for hatred.

Absolutely. It was a very strange choice to me. Yeah. With the grenade launcher thing. You've got, like, all him spying on all these goons.

Dark man spying on all these goons and working on his computers. It's almost feels like a montage. Mhmm. But he's doing all the skin copying of all these goons. He's making his masks.

Because he's gonna unfurl this plan. Destroy them from the inside. Yeah. And then the logic of this is, like, mission impossible logic where you put a mask on and you're a different person. And you're and they're say and you're their exact size?

Like, when he's like he puts on the fat guy's face. I'm like, oh, he's also good size now. I was like, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Lee Mason's like a six foot three Irish flaky guy.

Like, planky boxer. Yeah. Yeah. Tall pin bro. Yeah.

Same. Same. Same. Same. Same.

No problem. They're the Spider Man. Yeah. Staring at each other. The part you don't see is like that there's like the full face off things like, no.

We're gonna change your facial hair. We're gonna this is New York Film School. We have unlimited budget. Second question. No problem.

This three d printer can print just skin. Right? Not wigs? I think. Yeah.

Goddamn it. I'm sick of your logic. Paul wigs? Yeah. You know my issue with wigs.

Yeah. I know. But still, I'm sick of all this logic you're applying. Sorry. Like, let's apply a bunch of logic to the Avengers.

Like, let's Keep going. Keep going. I it's like this is a fantasy movie. The Avengers is a fantasy movie. Mhmm.

Lord of the Rings is a fantasy movie. Star Trek is a fantasy movie. Has goop. What are we talking about? But then And he doesn't create skin for he has to create skin for his whole body.

Right? So, like, what if he got mugged in or his face? Right? And someone ripped his shirt when he went to the The logic of the movie is fucked. I mean, he could.

Right? He could print, like, a like, a chest A chest? And and a dick. That I hope so because, yeah, I don't think he has a dark man part. I think his dark man part is He feels like I'm wearing nothing at all.

His forehead is a little bit older. Explained to Julie, like, yo, can we we have ninety minutes to get on. He's like, no. No. I can't.

I can't. Printed it. Why are we always meeting during the day? Let's just go to, like, a dive bar and get wasted, and you can take me home and fuck my brains out. No.

No. No. No. I'm not. I'm not.

This is not ready. This is not Paul Wood. He's like, kind of. That's way tics anyway. Does that also have enhanced strength and feeling?

No. It still has no feeling. Just latex. But, like, Durant loves these, like, fingers. He's got, like, this Albert Brooks and drive, like, the case full of knives.

He's just the case full of people's fucking fingers. Yes, dude. And there's a, a It's a very Bond henchman. It is. And there's this fake robbery with dark man playing Durant in the day robbing a convenience store and walking up, looking at the camera and being like you know, convenience store and walking up, looking at the camera and being like me.

Robert Durant. Robert g Durant. Watching that. I mean, like, that's very odd. Why Yeah.

Do that. And they even say multiple times, like, we bought the police. Like, what? I I mean, he got out of jail pretty fast, so I will say I am the Senate. I am the Senate.

I am the Senate. Somehow, Palpatine returned. Oh, man. Aw. I will say, like, people are getting knocked down in this movie at times.

Like, this is fucking point break. Like, us during the intercepting of the fake Durant, like, Durant is knocking people over. Oh, yeah. He's just reached the right of 300 meters in point break. Oh, yeah.

Like, people are just being thrown a sudden. Yeah. So and there's, like, a weird face off thing here where they see each other, and then Yeah. He gets away somehow. Like, oh, shoot him.

No. Shoot him. Yeah. This is whole, like, wacky, like yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, there's all these bad guys that they're trying to meet and exchange money, and dark man's making money go missing or weapons go missing or meetings go bad. And he's he's trying to take down all these bad guys that exploded him from the inside. That's his whole gig. But in the meantime, he's gotta go to the fucking Fair? The fair with his girlfriend.

It's so Tell him. The fucking girlfriend. It's so fucking bizarre. Yeah. When he's running away after his face is bubbling, and there's the carnival guy saying over and over again, he's a freak.

He's a freak. And he just loses it. I do think whatever makeup they put on him to make him look fake is really good. Yeah. He looks like, almost like he's plastic.

But yeah. Or he's He doesn't quite look like he's been in the Ever. Yeah. Yeah. There's a guy who's looking to be that balabaster.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. They are. Odd.

Just go on a date at night, bro. I don't know. This is And I'm and he's not really great with his time. Like, if you know you have that much time to, like, make some happen, like, you think you think you would, like yeah. You have to travel there.

You have to park. You're in somewhere New York, Canada? I don't know where they're at. They're in LA. LA.

SFLA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're gonna have to park.

You're gonna have to drive it. So Traffic? Ninety minutes, man. You assume he gonna have, like, twenty minutes to hang out there. He he went into a phone booth.

This is an old timey movie. He went into a phone booth right outside the fair and was like, hey, Julie. Meet me at the fair. When? I don't know when you can get here.

Great. Like two hours? Cool. I'll meet you by the guy that's gonna call me a freak and be like, just to go there fucking pig elephant, you fucking motherfucker. In two hours, they'll have ninety nine minutes to hang out.

Like, how do you judge all of this? Because, like, they can't spend any actual and she freaks out that they can't spend any time together. And does he do he steal his nice clothes too? Like, where do you get nice clothes from? Did he steal them or did he Oh.

Because he gets, like, he has, like, nicer swag all the way to the Logicals. Yeah. I mean, really, what he should've been doing this whole time is just stealing these guys' identities and robbing them blind. Yeah. Absolutely.

Which he starts, like Instead of killing them. Yeah. And confusing them just for, like, upsetting all their money. Yeah. That's his plan.

It's like, make them all, like, flabbergasted. That seems to be his, like, main plan. Like Yeah. That can confuse them. Like, when he finally gets some of them all, like, separated and he can, like, start is this are we there yet?

Are we close to there? Yeah. I don't know. The Belisarius memorandum, Durant finds out that Peyton is a lie. Know what that means.

The Belisarius memorandum is part of the choir. That Peyton is fucking alive because of Francis McDortman. Francis McDortman is the reason. So, by the way, he's alive, and now we're in the helicopter. I can't see you anymore because Peyton's alive.

Oops. Yeah. And, really, he she yeah. That's that's that's just bad writing to me. I mean, it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, the plot device of this character being an idiot? I mean, the movie had 12 drafts. We said, like, during pre end production, like, the movie had 12 so, like, god knows how many it went through before it hit any sort of pre production or whatever.

But the helicopter chase is pretty fun at times when the green screen's not fucking killing me because, like Yeah. The stunt of the guy and the hook of the helicopter and the grenades and all the explosions and shit. And, like, this is good. Like, this is solid. Right?

Like, aside the goddamn green screen. Once they do close-up shots, it's over Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, the whole, like, showdown there with those henchmen where he, like, turned into them Yeah. And does another bird bomb.

Yeah. And he's yeah. He jumps on, like, the I'm just kidding dude. Like He does a couple falls. I've got the drop on you.

He sends a he sends a henchman in with two masks on. One of the Yeah. Yeah. Which he then shoots him, which I would He puts on that guy's face and then yeah. That's interesting.

I mean, they do that they do that in, Mission Impossible. Right? Yep. Isn't that in the, Phillips c one? Second and or third?

Yeah. Because he shoots he gets someone to shoot Philip Seymour Hoffman? Then it has to be the third if it's that one because that's the JJ Abrams one that Yeah. Philip Seymour Hoffman. But, anyway I mean, there's this big long action sequence of mistaken identities and chopper stunts and shit.

And it's mostly fun. Yeah. But the thing that is rough is and you were saying, Gace, you had a four k and the green screen is rough. That has to be the toughest spot. Yeah.

The cut of the close ups of it's pretty rough. One like, the faraway shots have been swinging around look cool. You could tell they did that mostly practical with, like, a stuntman, but once it's close-up, it's pretty jarring. It's pretty bad. And the choppers themselves, like, and where they're flying because in LA here, like, you've seen some of these buildings.

Some of the stuff the choppers are actually doing is pretty fucking cool. I would agree. Yeah. So to have to then endure, like, these cuts to green screen are, like, kind of a bummer. It's rough.

And this is the biggest action sequence of the movie too. Oh, absolutely. Like, it it ends the second act of the movie. They throw a miniature into a pretty good miniature, like, explosion, and then, like, you see dark man in a green screen go, burn in hell. And you're like, that's not a great, like, heat floor.

It's not great. Wipe yourself off. You're dead. It's You know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning? At the same time it happens to everything else.

Well, yeah. Pretty much what I was gonna say. Did you know that? So the third act to me, it's like the villain that we've all been following isn't the villain. Nope.

And they didn't really lay the c we I kinda already got this guy who was bad because, like, he has a corporate asset. And he associates with the guy who cuts people's fingers off. Like, they do business together. But then, like, making him, like, the top of the tower boss at the end, and he, like, talks about how good he is at balancing on beams. I'm like, what the fuck?

Because he was up there with his dad. I don't care about anything. Yeah. Yeah. He's displaying, like, all this backstory.

I'm like, that's not interesting at all. Well, how do you mean it a little bit? It's saying that everything he has was, like, inherited by his Yeah. Yeah. Which is, like, so many other people with crazy amounts of wealth, etcetera.

I don't understand and this is like and there's this random goon that we haven't really seen in the movie. That we met at all the whole movie. Yeah. So much stuff is yeah. I just don't really fully it because to me, like, we we talked about this too about villains.

Right? The villain and the hero, there needs to be something that they are directly that there's the plot line of hit the villain building the shit. Right? And then there's the plot line of him getting revenge on his and and, yes, they're they're, like, there's, like, a tertiary connection between those two plot lines Sure. But they're not directly at odds with one another.

No. And so I think that's they try to make it they try to make it, like, his issue, like, the thing with Julie. Like, he ends up seeing Julie for or for a bit, and they've tried to make that the kind of connection between them. But it's not enough. It's not enough.

Yeah. It's not enough at all. And then the the whole, like, the rest of this fight is, like, people falling. Yeah. People falling.

They're both feet are on their feet. Like, they're gonna be like, like, flip off their things or something. There's, like, a bolt gun. Like, why is that How does he disappear into, like, up three Suddenly he's floors. Suddenly he's gone.

He's flying right now. He's gotten his handle ripped up by a bolt gunning shit, and we get all these cool Raimi angles. And then suddenly, like, three seconds pass, and he's, like, 70 feet up, and he's, like, I want the high ground Anakin. Like, that's his fucking power. He's a high ground Anakin.

That's his that's his power. Doesn't he swing in all dramatic and say he will do what she He is Qui Gon Jin. Well and she falls. It's true. He true.

She she falls and, like, catches herself with her handcuffs and doesn't sometimes break all of the bones. Yeah. Or, like, her, like, hands eventually rip off or fill with blood. Yeah. It's like one piece of rebar that's not secured.

That's holding her and her entire way. That looks like a torture. That looks like how it gets a diaper. So eventually, twenty minutes later, Darkman gets there after he falls enough. And the horns have fallen off.

Yeah. And suddenly, Peyton is like, can't be your boyfriend. Can't see him in the day. Can't see him in the night. And she's like, no.

I see you're horribly burned. I love you. And he's like, no. I gotta go. Yeah.

You know what, though? She does make a comment that I thought was very spot on earlier where he's, like, has his, face on. He's like, if I was horribly scarred, could you still, like, love me or, like, accept me? And she's like, I don't know. I don't know.

She does she gives a very honest, like, it depends on how ugly you are. I don't know. And then he's like, what if I had my face off? He's like, well, imagine I had to three d prick my dick every time we have sex. And he's like, oh, yeah.

No, I'm out. And John Woo and Sam Raimi who did our target together were like, oh, that sounds good to me. Yeah. Hey, if we didn't have this movie, do we eventually get face off? Consider that in your final ratings, John.

Yeah. And also, do we not, you know, how does this lead into Spider Man? His like experience with this film into Spider Man. I feel like you can connect the dots. I could not agree more.

He does, like, some more Raimi stuff for a hot minute, but then he does, like, you know, a simple plan and a gift at points in his career or whatever. I don't know. It was like Spider Man was, like, returning to standard. I don't know. It it's also interesting to me knowing, like, there was originally the camera in Spider Man.

Right. And what, like Yep. What how different And the only thing they kept from that was the organic web shooters that come out of this risk. It is Yeah. Which That's all they kept from that.

Yeah. It's weird and whatnot, but, like, it's so convenient in terms of writing where it's, like, we don't have to worry about, like, web fluid and web shooters running out. But it's, like, also you that's a great tool to have to create suspense. Yes. I said, yeah.

And prove how smart he is, etcetera, etcetera. I remember seeing the first Spider Man in the theater Same. When I was in high school. I was finishing up my second doctorate. Oh, you were?

Yeah. Yeah. New York Film School. Yeah. The doctorate.

The doctorate. Tony doctors. Doctor. Shem. Doctor.

Shem. Doctor. Shem. He's like doctorate. He's like he's like, doc doc octrewitz.

Doc doc doc octrewitz. Yeah. The pizza the pizza papa shows up at the end of this movie. You get, like, the final Pizza papa. The final shimp.

Name's Ash. The final shimp. Yes. I did. Houseware.

Hey. Woah. He's belong to the Hulk. Paul's hitting me. You get the final shimp of Bruce Campbell, like, being like, alright.

I'm out of here when Julian dark man part. And the end of the movie is dark man being like, I am everyone. I am the knight. I am the father. Anything.

I am cheeseburgers. Anything. The limit is not I fall a lot. I am the Hamburglar. I am dark, man.

Yeah. It is it's suddenly daytime too. Was thinking the same thing when he said the Hamburglar. It's also suddenly dark daytime when she runs out there. It was, like, pitch black dark.

He saw the logic of this movie. He created a mask and became five fry kids. Okay. He was like, how? How?

Also, what a missed opportunity. How'd you become the Grimace? To not do the sequel with the The physics. I don't I don't understand. If it's gonna be straight to video, they could have done that.

Yeah. I mean, on the strength of Vaslu's hard target though because he's so good. But the setup If you have Vaslu But the setup for Campbell Ramey. Vaslu, Campbell, Ramey. I'd say I don't know.

But I'd say cam I'd say the setup was already there for Bruce. I agree but like Universal probably loves Vaslu because you've got the hard target thing and blah blah blah. I I don't know. I don't know. They made him the money.

But I love Bruce Campbell. I would love They made him the mummy. Such a, like, what? Wild. Odd.

They made him the mummy. Yeah. They made him the fucking mummy. They love they love Somebody in the Universal loves that guy, which Love mister Mike. Understand.

I I love both. You guys don't need to convince me. I love both. Watch The Mummy. I will watch it.

It has Arnold Fossey. I'm watching it right now. Did you? In my head. It's fully wrecked, and I'm watching it.

He's I've already gotten the act too. My mind. Come three times. To a decision about loving the mummy. Hey, everyone.

We finished dark man. This is gonna be some final ratings stuff that we're gonna do here. That was really great introduction of the segment, Paul. Yeah. Well, I'm ulnarbi.

Oh, okay. Should we go in the same order? I think it's only proper that What you gave us me? Yeah. I think it's the way we did it last.

Yeah. I'm gonna go to a two and a half with a heart. Wow. When that reload He fell he fell a full point. I'm going to two and a half drinking birds, but I am adding a heart.

Meaning, it's I would not be mad to watch this movie again. I really enjoyed talking about this movie. I'm so glad I already owned this movie and only for $2 could watch it anytime I want. Like, I could've anyway. Sell me on the DVD inserts.

But the the movie is definitely watchable. And so that's the thing is I just feel that I could end up watching this again and will tell people about this movie and engage people. Like, have you fucking have when's the last time you talked about Darkman? Hey. Have you heard about Darkman?

Hey. There's a Darkman program, the Darkman one zero one down at NYU Film School, if you're interested. I like 1990. Nineteen '90 was the last time they talked to me. A heart is a big thing.

Like, the show community, that's like a fake class they would have. Yeah. Well, this is a real class. NYU film school. Not by me.

Dark man dark man one zero one. Dark man one zero one. Dark man one zero one. So still two and a half, but with a heart. Got a badge of honor.

Alright. Yes. I'm gonna I'm gonna lower it a little bit. I'll I'll make it a three. And and it's just because you pointed out some stuff that One or two things.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot a lot a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, but it's still entertaining, and it was fun.

And now I can and now I can watch it with, like, this commentary in the back of my head now. I can just, like, laugh at all the stuff that we just talked about Yeah. And enjoy it on that level too. Like, movies are meant to be enjoyed on several different levels, and that's true. Absolutely.

And, you know, maybe the next time I watch it, I'll just be making fun of it. So It's so funny. I mean that with love. I mean that with love. Yeah.

Yeah. For sure. Like, there's some good stuff about it. I hear what you're saying. And it was funny is, like, I came into this episode thinking I was going to go to two and a half.

The like, that's where I came into the episode. Because I was already kinda there, but, you know, I always like to move a little bit with this podcast. Yeah. And then when we were talking, there were times where I was like, am I gonna go to three and a half? Just because I was having so much fun Wow.

To five and a half. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm gonna stay at three. Okay.

Three Take the fucking elephants. Take the fucking elephant. Because I think there are redeeming like, there's definitely redemption in this movie. There's weird parts of this movie. There's confounding moments.

There's plot points that don't make sense. But, again, for, like, early you know, to see Raimi take what he did here and, like, grow with it. It's really cool. Yep. Do you think you'd watch it again or that you'd talk to someone about it if you're talking about comic book movies that you'd be like, have you fucking have you seen dark man if you talk about spider man?

I mean, I think I'm going to Comic Con in Seattle this weekend. Yeah. And I'll surely bring it up with my friends. Yeah. Just to be like, has everyone just to be like, talk because I think it does merit a conversation like this.

Yeah. There's things about it that are like, what the fuck? And then there's things about it, like, well, that was cool. Absolutely. So Yeah.

And I think they came out in, like, the early infancy of those kinda movies too. Like, there weren't a lot of them Yeah. At the time. It was like Lungren Punisher, Keaton Burton Batman, and Superman, and, like Yeah. And that was it.

The Kraven Swamp thing that nobody saw. Just very few things existed out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I do like, like, when I saw in the facts here, like, how inspired he was by classic, like, comes back in the dark. Like, universal movie monsters too. Like, he, like a lot of that. Yeah. Invisible Man.

Yeah. Inception, definitely, it's really cool. Yeah. Three three pink elephants. The execution of it is, again, it's just like, it's a rewatchable.

It's a fun talking point. Great. I'm so glad, Geis, that you came. Thank you for I am so glad that you guys What a conversation. Please come back and join us again.

Definitely will. Is there anything we missed? Anything that you'd like to talk about, discuss? Would you like to mention your letterbox again? Whatever.

No. No. Everything's good, man. I just, if you want you guys actually mentioned back in the box on your last time. So, actually, David mentioned it.

Yeah. But that still counts because it was on your show. So, like, so I will, so, yeah, you you guys are very, in your big supporters, and I love your show too. So, I just we just gotta get we just gotta get Ben on, our show. Yeah.

Get Ben on. You can listen to all sorts of great people and about all sorts of great movies like the Hitcher and which scream three you just did recently. Right? Yeah. We just did the episode of the album.

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