Fight Club / The Minutia of YouTube Golf (Guest: Aaron Goodman)

“Meat Loaf Month,” goes furiously forward into “Fight Club,” (1999 d.Fincher book - Palahniuk) with our guest, Aaron Goodman - LMT (Licensed Massage Therapist). Baby, we hear the blues a callin’, but we’re gonna keep on dancin’ at the paper st. pink soapy club. And don’t worry, there’s plenty of tossed salads and scrambled eggs for everyone with metaphors, dated references, confusing lines, and of course, lessons in airplane etiquette. What is a boy(s) to do?! 7/22!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

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Everyone, Ben is being very menacing.
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It's me, Paul.
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It's the review review.
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What do we do here?
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Well, I co host Paul.

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And I am a co host named Ben.

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And what we

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do Tyler Durden.
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Neither of us are Tyler Durden.

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Don't talk about it.
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Sorry.
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We can't we literally can't talk about what we're supposed to talk about today.
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Two times we're not supposed to talk about it.
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There's a lot of anxiety.

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Yeah.

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I'm feeling anxious.

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I can tell and I feel like these fight club jokes are very relevant and not outdated at all.

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0%.
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We're doing great so far.
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What do we do here?
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We take a movie that is submitted by a guest that's seven years old or older, two hours and twenty two minutes or less, and not part of any major franchise.
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And today, we're not gonna talk about it.

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So I call

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see you later.
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End of episode.
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Smell you later forever.
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Fight Club.
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Who brought us this movie?

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Our guest today, his name is Aaron Goodman.
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And what does Aaron do?
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Aaron's gonna tell you after I tell you.
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Aaron is an LMP, a licensed massage practitioner, and he is you're a yoga teacher or a yogi?
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Help me out.

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Yoga teacher.
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There's a difference between an instructor and a teacher, but not to get into that minutiae, but I I consider myself a teacher.
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And it's an LMT to correct you.
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Licensed massage therapist.

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Therapist.
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All over my I'm a layman here, so I appreciate it.
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Although you dig into the minutiae

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Of the fascia?

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The yeah.
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Right?

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There you go.

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It's all in the fascia.

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The minutiae of the fascia sounds like your autobiography.

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Doesn't it?

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It sounds like the opening credits of this movie we're gonna cover, actually.
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It looks like Fascia.

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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hello, Fascia.
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Here I am at It's nice to meet you.

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There's a saying in my business, which is in both businesses, really, which is there's issues in our tissues.
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And this Oh.
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Lot lot of issues in these characters' tissues, to say the least.

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Tissue.
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Yeah.

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Aaron, in terms of what you do and what you practice, what you their therapize, what excites you about it?
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Tell us.

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I'm really passionate about yoga.
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I've been teaching for twelve years, and that really got me interested in the body and how it works and how it moves and how to take care of it and all that jazz.
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And then six years into teaching, I got interested in becoming a massage therapist, which was kind of a natural progression.
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And so then got into that, and that was a great combination with, like, students from the studio becoming clients.
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And I'm I'm a father of two young kids, but I love to help people feel better.

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So I do that in both my field.
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Just kinda what keeps me driven is just that intention of helping people feel better.
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What is a body name?
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It's fascinating.
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The human body, you could go on and on for hours about it.

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Can I say of

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the children?

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You practice, energetic, healthy way of living, but you also it's like taking a leave.
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There are all sorts of ways that you can

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For sure.
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I don't feel like you there's you know, I I try to keep it real, and we'll get into it honestly with this movie.
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I feel it is a dynamic of yin and yang that we're all dealing with.
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I still practice it.
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It's hot yoga, and it's in a hot room.

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You you're in there for ninety minutes, and it's honestly a form of therapy physically and mentally.
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And the bit of suffering that you go through when it's really tough, I feel like it really keeps me grounded.
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And, it's part of the medicine I love.

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And then, last thing before Ben tells us why he's excited, if someone wanted to take advantage of your services, is there a way to do that?
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Is there a website?
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Is there an email?

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Website would be hot yoga Vancouver.
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And quite frankly, I'd just say come and grab my class.
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I teach on Thursdays, Saturdays, and Sundays typically.
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And then for massage therapy, I'm kinda just word-of-mouth.

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Okay.
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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Ben?
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Yes.
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Excited?
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Why are you excited?

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For the first time since I graduated undergrad well, I guess not the first time.
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Okay.
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I I'm back in school.
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I started my grad program.

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Is this to prove to dad that you're not a fool?

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Yes.
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I I yeah.
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Lunch packed up.

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Boots tight tight.
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Mhmm.
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Don't get in a fight.

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I just don't have my snack back.

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Game.

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But, yeah, I started I started my grad program.
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One course right now, which is great because it's a lot even for one course.
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It feels like for the next two years, reading for pleasure might not be on the table for the amount of reading I'll have to do for class.
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That's me.
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It's it's

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a big it's a big step, though.

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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Partially wish I took it ten years ago, but also needed to come to the realization at a certain time.
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Thankful that for the course because it's it's a hybrid, remote course, so it works well with my schedule, and I can do it from home.

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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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I just I say this in my yoga class all the time.
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The hardest part is showing up.
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So Yeah.

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Good for you to sign up and make it be like, I'm gonna show up and do it because it's it's obvious, but it's the only way it works.

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Yeah.
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The whole rigmarole of finances and all that stuff, it's it's but I'm happy that I'm doing it.
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So I'm excited that I'm doing it, Paul.
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I'm excited that I'm doing it.

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Oh, good.
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Okay.

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What about you, Paul?
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Why are you why

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are you excited?
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First of all, I just wanna say your hopes to not get in a fight Mhmm.
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As you're going back to school are just gonna

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be done fast.
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Are tied up.

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You're gonna get in a fight.
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It's fight club night tonight.

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Am I right?
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I'm just I'm just gonna punch myself, though.

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I do love that.
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Program.

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I don't there's no one else to fight in my program, so I'll

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just fight my

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You can't frame me.
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You can't frame me for it.
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That's excellent news for me.

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That You live in

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my brain, Paul.
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You live inside my head.

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Rent free, baby.
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I am excited that I rolled about half a dozen half a dozen?
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Half a dozen?
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Did you guys recall?

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How do how do you spell that?

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What?
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What a fool.
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What?
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Oh my goodness.
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I rolled about half a dozen pretty solid joints.

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I got this Coors Light here.

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Silver Bullet?

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I got Sand Cat here.
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna keep my lycanthropic urges at bay.
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Yeah.
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I'm just excited to talk about this movie.

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I wanna and and you know what?
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And what we're watching.

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I wanna know what Aaron's watching because I I I've never met Aaron, so I wanna know.

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When Paul said I had to talk about what I was watching, once the first thing that came into mind, which I it's probably the best way, just to be honest about it, is I I've been watching a lot of YouTube, but that's open ended.
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So what am I watching on YouTube?
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I watch YouTube golf.
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It's a, like, a guilty pleasure.
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I'm a big golfer.

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So for the YouTube golf, it's like a new avenue of of golf, so to say, as content almost in the same way.
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Wait.

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What is that?

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So YouTube golf is you're watching, content creators who are golfers.
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Some of them not good.
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Some of them very good.
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Play games, play with celebrities, and it's one, you have to be kind of a golf sicko where you just enjoy watching people play golf and enjoy the game.

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Be careful, though.

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Which Okay.
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There's a lot because the game has exploded since COVID.
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If you don't know, it has.
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It's spicy.
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You know, because that's what you could do.

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And YouTube golf is, like, a way of kind of doing both, like, watching golf, but also, like, watching not professionals, but it it's entertaining.

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Mhmm.
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It was very funny to me.
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Aaron says, I'm watching YouTube right now.
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What does that mean?
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YouTube golf.

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And then Ben says, YouTube golf.
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What does that mean?
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And he's like, he's like, you guys, like, enhance.
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Enhance.
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Enhance.

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It was really funny to me.

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YouTube is, you know, it's

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It's everything.
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It has everything.
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Everything.
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Yeah.

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Yeah.
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But I I didn't, until recently, ever watch it.
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I didn't die.
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Like, I used

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to have,

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an app on my phone where I could just watch cable news or anything on TV.
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I could stream it.
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What about you, Paul?
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What what are you watching?

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Oh, me?

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Oh, jeez.
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Tables have turned.

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You know, I thought it would be Apropos as we saw fight club for this episode that I saw what I assumed was the prequel fight one, but it is formula, starring Brad Pitt as a totally different fake person.
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I had such a fantastic movie theater experience seeing this movie.
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Is it much deeper than YouTube?
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What is that?
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No.

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We don't even say, like, we don't go YouTube golf.
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What does YouTube go?
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We just keep it right on that first layer.
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But the movies, at times, really astonishing to look at and especially in the first half of the movie, in the very last little bit of the movie especially, it stands out.
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The sound design is incredible.

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So if you wanna like nerd out on movie theater experiences

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I can't talk about it.

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It's something really really cool.
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And I think this is something we try to do on this program.
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Here.

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Take two of these.

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It's a movie that I would watch in the theater half a dozen times.

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New print.

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Apple.
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Yellow.
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Different.
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I don't know how excited I would be to watch it at home.
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I feel like I would have to have a pretty incredible home theater to really, have the experience that that movie can clearly give me.

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And so now if I'd watch it at home, I feel like I'd be missing out.
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And so since we do this, I will say it's three and a half out of five playing cards, like very, very solid movie.
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Very much enjoyed it.

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Ben.
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I saw the movie in the theater as well.
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I went with my in laws for my kind of for my birthday, kind of.
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I had a similar experience, Paul, that I felt like the story is pretty shallow, but the filmmaking is well done, and the Zimmer score goes hard.
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Kaczynski knows how to shoot moving vehicles really well.

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It's a cool, fun ride.
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Yeah.

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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I give it I didn't even think about a a scoring system, but I I gave it three, I think I gave it three.
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You don't know how to race.
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Put down your phone.

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That's kinda that's what I'm gonna you you kid You

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damn kids.
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You damn kids.

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That's all you're fine with.

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I also saw 28 later in the theater, and I I had an okay fun time.
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Well, maybe not fun.
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I had an okay time with that.
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I didn't realize this might be a spoiler if you don't know that there's, like, three more movies coming after this.

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I'd heard that.
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I heard an interview with the director and

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Yeah.

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How they're gonna I think I thought do one more.
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There's gonna be three.
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This was the second of the three.

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So I did not know that going in.
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And so at a certain point, I was like, wait a minute.
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What time is it?
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How how much more time is in this movie?
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And it felt unfinished in that regard for me.

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Felt like a very expensive HBO pilot.
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You know?

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Yeah.
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Unlimited series.

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Yeah.
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And I I like Danny Boyle, and I like Alex Garland.
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And I like the first one of those movies a lot.
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Mhmm.
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And this one, I really like the world building.

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I like the world expanding.
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I love a lot of the ideas.
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And I think for me, it dragged a little bit.
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And then the third act, I felt like kind of faltered.
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I felt like the third act was building to something, and then it didn't deliver.

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I also feel like this I saw the movie as well, that it was part of a larger story.
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And I think this franchise specifically, I really enjoy twenty eight days later as well, like quite a bit.
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And it's almost a perfect example of if it was just that movie, maybe you could make an argument for the sequel as well.
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But if it's just that first movie, is it more special?
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Do we think of it differently?

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How do we review it?
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Is it I would have loved at some point to do that on this podcast.
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Will that happen at some point?
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Like, I don't know.
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Yeah.

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Because there's so many hoops to go through to be able to do it.
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So anyway

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What's what's the math on the third one?
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Just they did days.
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They did years sent.
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I mean, a lot

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of them on the Years.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.

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Well, because at the end of this movie, it said twenty eight days later from, I guess, the beginning of the movie.

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Oh, must be.

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So Yeah.
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The the next move movie is called twenty eight years later, the bone guardian or something.
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I don't know.
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I think it's gonna be about Name.
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Character.

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I think it's gonna be all about and I will I will watch anything Ralph Fiennes does.

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He Sure.

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He he does no he does no wrong in the movie.
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To me, it's a structural thing.
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But,

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yeah.
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Here's a here's a quiz for you.
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If I brought out his the menu that is his resume Yeah.
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There's not a lot of things that you

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don't want to

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assume there.
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Yes, indeedy.
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We've talked about what we're excited about.
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We've talked about what we've been watching.
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Now, it's time to talk about the facts.

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I I

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I Archaeology is the search for fact.
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Tell you this

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for free.
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Ben.

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Yes.
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So we watched the movie Fight Club.
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It is a twentieth Century Fox, New Regency, Linson, and it's rated r.
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Wait.
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What's Linson going back?

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Said, like, another you're mute you're muted, which is making excellent content.

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I think I mean, it might be slightly better than usual.
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The I think it was, like, Art Linson was a producer that had done, like, a So

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it's a production company called Linson.

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I think it's Art Linson or Linson productions.
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Here's the other thing.
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These sheets aren't always perfect, Ben.

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Well, that

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that Could have been better.
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Could have tried harder.

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Yeah.

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We get it.

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You know, that's on you.
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So new Regency and some guy named Linson.
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Rated r is from 1999.
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It is two hours and nineteen minutes.
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The budget on this movie is 61,000,000.

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That is adjusted 120,000,000.
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Opening weekend, 10/15/1999.
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It made 11,000,000 US, 21,111,000.000 adjusted.
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Final gross North America, 37,000,000, adjusted 71.
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Final gross worldwide, 101,000,000 adjusted, 193.8.

00:15:47 [Speaker 1]
That's gotta be the international pull of Brad Pitt.
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Right?
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Sure.
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That's so that's a huge international difference.
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Mhmm.

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Brad Pitt.
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Gotta be.
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Yeah.

00:15:57 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's gotta be.
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I mean yeah.

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It's gotta be.
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I was gonna say, yeah, Norton wasn't gonna pull that.

00:16:04 [Speaker 3]
He was huge.
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He's I mean, he's kinda Tom Cruise.
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He's just been

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Yeah.

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Been a superstar since he was a superstar.
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It's never changed.

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Other releases this weekend, the story of us, the omega code, the straight story.
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We can top five this movie, Double Jeopardy, the story of us, Three Kings, American Beauty.
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Other films from 1999, American Pie, Wing Commander, Three to Tango, Virus, Music of the Heart, Enemy of the State, and Galaxy Quest.
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Go back and listen to our Galaxy Quest episode.
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It's a good one.

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It's a good year.
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Good year for film.
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Letterboxd average on this movie is 4.3.
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You can follow me on Letterboxd at run b m c.
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That's run b e e m c.

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C.
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You can follow me on letterboxed at paul acts badly.
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If you think you could follow Aaron on letterboxed, you done that wrong.

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No.
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I'm not there.
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I am on the Insta a good yoga man if you wanna follow me there.

00:17:05 [Speaker 2]
You might list your stuff.

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Oh, I

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was gonna say you might post your movie reviews there.
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I don't know if people wanna see that.
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Sysco and Pereira.
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And now this is Gene Sysco we're talking about.
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Right, Paul?

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It is.
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Not Joel.

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Split.
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Pereira was up.
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Sysco down.
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Rotten Tomato, 81%.
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Popcorn meter, 96%.

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Metacritic, 67, 8.9 user.
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Major awards and nominations, Oscar for sound effects editing.

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Okay.
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You know, I'm gonna say as I'm going into the cast and crew here I'm not.
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I'm gonna save it.
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Director of this film was David Fincher, Mank, Gone Girl, Alien, little three, just a little tiny, a little three.
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Listen to our Alien three episode, I will keep you there for the rest of your life.

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Dick.
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Writers are Jim Ohls, who also wrote Jumper, and Chuck Palahniuk, who wrote the novel that this film is based on.
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Director of photography was Jeff Cronenweth.
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One hour photo, k 19 the widowmaker.
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I Harrison Ford captain of someone on my plane.

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Tron Ares, which is being released soon.
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The music was Yeah.
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The Dust Brothers, Le Neu, a short, and the Angry German Kids Show from TV.
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I'm very interested in that.

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That's an amazing title.

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Angry German Kids Show.
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Producers.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Arnon Milchan, The Revenant, Sean Chaffin, Zodiac, and Art Linson.

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Now I'm Dick Tracy.
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Now I'm prune Tracy.
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Edward Norton as narrator.
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Keeping the faith, the illusionist, after the sunset.
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Brad Pitt played Tyler Durden, the Mexican Question

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mark.

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Dead question mark?

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Yeah.
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Deadpool two, and the curious case of Benjy Buttons.
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Helena Bonham Carter played Marla.
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The King's Speech, Les Miserables from 2012, and Novocaine from 02/2001.
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Meatloaf, RIP, as Bob Bob also appeared in Focus Crazy in Alabama and our previous episode.

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We hope you enjoyed the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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It's a gem.

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We could call this the meatloaf month.
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Right?

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Two two in a row.
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Two two two like a bat out of hell he came through and took the month over.

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Yeah.
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Meatloaf's month.
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Get your ketchup out.

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Get the ketchup out, baby.
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We're we're spicing it up

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a minute.

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Get out

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your ketchup

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and, you know, that old Dave Neuhaus call.

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Get out the rye red mustard, grandma.
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It's grand salami time.
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Meatloaf month.
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Meatloaf, get out the ketchup, baby.
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It's the dry meatloaf for you.

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Shut up and eat it.
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Shut up.
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That's a good is that a good radio call?
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I think that's pretty good.
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Okay.

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Jared Leto played Angel, Panic Room, Morbius?
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It's just it's just Morbius.
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It's everything is Morbius.
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It's all what's going on here?

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This might be the most palatable Jared Leto has been in years in this movie.

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My g.
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Yeah.

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He didn't come back from, like, some silent retreat on Ayahuasca or something.

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I wanted to Google this because I was curious as to when he began his when he began his pursuit of being a successful musician with thirty seconds to Mars or whatever.

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I think I say the worst person in Hollywood.

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The worst person.
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Never mind.
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So he, went It's a long list.
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Yeah.
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Brad Pitt at one point is going through famous people and that the those titles or whatever celebrity and says rock stars and like leans like flinches at Jared Leto.

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And I'm like, if Jared Leto was working on his music career at that point and Brad Pitt knew it, that's so fucking awesome that he did that.
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I just I don't know.
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Because my brain wants to do a lot of work which this movie encourages which David Fincher is clearly very good at, at least with me.
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Zach Grenier played manager, Tommy Boy, Cliffhanger, Talk Radio.
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Holt McCollany played the mechanic, Justice League, the Iron Claw, and Three Kings.

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And for those listening, if you're like, who is that guy?
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Like, Mindhunter from TV, but also he's the guy who says his name is Robert Paulson.

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His name is Robert Paulson.

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In death, you do have a name.
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His name was Robert Paulson.
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Elon Bailey was Ricky, almost famous, mind hunters.
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Different movie.

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Different thing.

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Different movie.
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Different thing.
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Rachel Singer was Chloe.
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The Green Mile, What Lies Beneath, Moonlight Mile.
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Tom Gossam Junior was Detective Stern, Queen and Slim, Miss Evers boys, do not reply.

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Aaron,

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this I We gotcha.

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I've been slowing down the fun.
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Can you bring can you can you Can you bring the fun?
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Bring the fun.

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It's it's what it's what I do.
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Spoil my mom.
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Oh, sorry.
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Not my mom.
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The the mother of my children.

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What?

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The fun thing.
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We'll cut around that.

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No.
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Yeah.
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Or will we?

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So I'll try to bring

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them the phone.
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I'll try to bring them

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the phone.

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What is the point?

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Alright.
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So Fun facts, fun facts, everybody.
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It's fun fact time.

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This off.
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So the visible breath in the ice cave steam is actually from Leonardo DiCaprio's breath from the Titanic, which was recycled and composited into the shot.
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Kind of interesting.
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Kind

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of fun.

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And and a movie I just rewatched randomly.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Things line up in your life.
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Yeah.

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Very weird.

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It's something you would never, I think, think of unless you heard that fact.
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Like, that's not what comes to mind in that scene.
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That's for sure.

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You know, there was another Fincher actually in social network because they shot it, I think, in, like, California, and they didn't shoot it in Boston.
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Whenever they go outside in Harvard, they had to CG their breath.
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When you go when you watch it now, because it was made in, what, 02/2005?
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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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The aughts.
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February '10, actually.
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I was wrong.

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The the aughts.

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I don't know.

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But the the CG doesn't hold up.
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So you see him go outside, and you're like, that is clearly fake breath, which is just a weird thing to do.

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A a little subtlety that they thought would work, and it doesn't pay

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us.
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Was it still after all the cost of all that post?
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Was it still cheaper than just shooting it in Canada or the East Coast?
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Like, what was Or a sound stage where you can

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make it nice and cold?

00:23:48 [Speaker 1]
I don't whatever.
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This is why I don't work for Sony.

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Yeah.
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The original pillow talk scene had Marla saying, I want to have your abortion, which Fox two thousand Viet Minhly objected to.
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Fincher agreed, but the new line couldn't be cut.
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I hadn't been fucked like that since grade school had Fox more outraged, asking for the original line to be put back.
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But as per the deal, Fincher refused.

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In an infamous incident, the day that the film was released in The US, Rosie fuck O'Donnell revealed that she had seen the film earlier in the week and had been unable to sleep.
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She then proceeded to give away the twist ending and urged everyone to avoid the movie at all cost.
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Norton, Pitt, and Fincher discussed the incident on their DVD commentary track with Pitt calling O'Donnell's actions unforgivable.

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Is that unforgivable?
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I actually listened to that DVD commentary because I've owned this movie a couple times in life, and I've listened to that commentary.
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But was that unforgivable?

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Well, it's it's

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Waffle fries for free.

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It'd be like if someone out there with the sixth sense and was like, oh, yeah.
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By the way, he's

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dead.
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I did that in the movie theater on the day.
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Alright.
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Keep going.
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You would've.

00:25:07 [Speaker 3]
David Fincher shot 38 takes of the scene between Tyler and the narration at Lou's bar after the apartment blows up.
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Each take was filmed with two cameras, and for every individual take, Fincher would give the actors a rough idea of what to do.
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The scene as it exists in the finished film is made up of segments from numerous different takes, and most of the dialogue, especially Tyler's, was improvised on set.
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And lastly, author Chuck Palahniuk has stated that he found the film to be an improvement, on his novel.

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I agree.
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Has everyone read it?

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Yeah.

00:25:46 [Speaker 1]
I think the movie's better too.

00:25:48 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
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On the on the so.
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Because the book is really good.
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But But

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there but there are things about the book that are not adaptable to film for the masses, I think is what I wanna say.

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I think the movie flows really well and doesn't meander like Pauline New York does a lot in his books, if that if that makes sense.

00:26:09 [Speaker 1]
It does.
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It doesn't, but

00:26:10 [Speaker 3]
it does it justice the way his book reads and the way he writes his books.

00:26:14 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:26:14 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
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For sure.
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It's definitely his voice.
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Like, it's 100% him.

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There there's no doubt about that.

00:26:19 [Speaker 3]
But it it is it has less of those diatribes or this, like, really detailed stuff that Mhmm.
00:26:26 [Speaker 3]
The theme of the mind that a book is setting the table for is different than the audio visual that Fincher really just went to town with.

00:26:35 [Speaker 1]
And it's just really simple stuff.
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Like, so much of the stuff that you were saying, the visuals, Aaron, the sex scene or what have you and kind of the fever dream that is.
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And so much of the stuff feels like it's like, oh my god, did you pull things from my mind when I was reading?
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Or I don't know, but that's funny because I watched the movie first.
00:26:52 [Speaker 1]
Right?

00:26:52 [Speaker 1]
But reading the book, it's like, how are you gonna get enough fat from this Marla's mom who's addicted to surgery to make all this soap?
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You know, it's like outlandish to adapt for, like, and keep that for a movie being like, yeah, they stole it from, like, medical waste.
00:27:07 [Speaker 1]
It's like perfect way to make that change.

00:27:10 [Speaker 3]
It's really easy to write a couple sentences in a book, and there it is.
00:27:14 [Speaker 3]
It's tougher to put that into a film and, like, make that as much as the route they did in the film.

00:27:20 [Speaker 1]
Well, and it's so satisfying, the visual of Brad Pitt trying to catch all the fat too, and then knowing that that's satisfying?
00:27:26 [Speaker 1]
That that's still Chuck Palahniuk's voice, but it's not in the book.
00:27:29 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:27:30 [Speaker 1]
But It's it's the same it's what you're saying, Ben.
00:27:32 [Speaker 1]
It's a symbol the voice is the same.

00:27:34 [Speaker 2]
But satisfying is not the word I would use to describe that moment.

00:27:38 [Speaker 1]
Oh, I it is to me.

00:27:40 [Speaker 2]
Disgusting.
00:27:41 [Speaker 2]
That's where I see things just a little different.

00:27:43 [Speaker 1]
It's it's hilarious.
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Disgusting.
00:27:44 [Speaker 1]
It almost takes how disgusting it is that they were getting the fat from this surgery addicted woman and puts it all in one single moment, and that's like a through line through the book.
00:27:54 [Speaker 1]
And, like, in that one moment, it captures all that disgustingness.
00:27:57 [Speaker 1]
Aaron.

00:27:59 [Speaker 3]
Yes.

00:27:59 [Speaker 1]
Do you know what a log line is?
00:28:02 [Speaker 1]
I know you're not a movie expert.

00:28:04 [Speaker 3]
I can just think of it just makes me think of poop.

00:28:08 [Speaker 1]
Just wait in line to take a dump.
00:28:10 [Speaker 1]
Do me a favor.
00:28:11 [Speaker 1]
Is this the best log line?
00:28:13 [Speaker 1]
The very best is the line to drop a log.
00:28:16 [Speaker 1]
This episode is brought to you by the log line.

00:28:19 [Speaker 1]
There's

00:28:20 [Speaker 2]
always a

00:28:20 [Speaker 1]
line to just leave a log.

00:28:23 [Speaker 2]
Aaron There's one there's just one bathroom,

00:28:26 [Speaker 1]
and Yeah.

00:28:27 [Speaker 2]
Every dude's gotta take a dump.

00:28:29 [Speaker 1]
So Yeah.
00:28:29 [Speaker 1]
If it's your first night, you've gotta wait in the log line.

00:28:32 [Speaker 3]
True story.
00:28:32 [Speaker 3]
And I'm gonna do it again this year.
00:28:34 [Speaker 3]
There's a relay race here locally called Hood to Coast, and you run, legs of a 200 mile race from we let a race from a mountain all the way to the coast.
00:28:46 [Speaker 3]
And it's basically just a big caravan of porta potties and people for 200 miles.
00:28:52 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

00:28:52 [Speaker 3]
And

00:28:52 [Speaker 1]
Is that your log line for this movie?
00:28:54 [Speaker 1]
Sorry.
00:28:54 [Speaker 1]
Go ahead.

00:28:55 [Speaker 3]
And the bathroom line, especially when you're getting

00:28:58 [Speaker 1]
into the

00:28:58 [Speaker 3]
country.
00:28:59 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:28:59 [Speaker 3]
It's like because

00:29:00 [Speaker 1]
they're all on

00:29:01 [Speaker 3]
20 people deep and you have to go to the bathroom and and you get in there and there's, like, one just one square left and you're like, okay.
00:29:08 [Speaker 3]
Well.

00:29:08 [Speaker 1]
Oh, god.
00:29:09 [Speaker 1]
Can't spare

00:29:09 [Speaker 3]
a square.
00:29:10 [Speaker 3]
Here we are.

00:29:10 [Speaker 1]
Can't help you.
00:29:11 [Speaker 1]
Fuck.

00:29:11 [Speaker 3]
It's the log line.

00:29:13 [Speaker 1]
Well, now that we've waited in the log line for the log line, Aaron, the best you can tell me this whole movie, the best you can in three to four sentences.
00:29:24 [Speaker 1]
The whole plot, the whole thing, what the movie is about.
00:29:28 [Speaker 1]
Get me excited to see this movie in three or four sentences.
00:29:31 [Speaker 1]
Not the back of a of a movie, not one line from the poster, but your best three or four sentences to sell me this movie in an elevator.

00:29:40 [Speaker 3]
A guy with schizophrenia quits his job and starts a cult.

00:29:46 [Speaker 1]
Is that all of a time?

00:29:47 [Speaker 3]
Has a starts a cult that's a that that is a fight club.

00:29:51 [Speaker 1]
You know what?
00:29:52 [Speaker 1]
That's pretty Pretty good.
00:29:54 [Speaker 1]
Good.
00:29:54 [Speaker 1]
But similar to, you know, I gotta say the most valuable watch of this film truly and the most harrowing experience of this film is the first experience.
00:30:06 [Speaker 1]
And that even takes that away, Aaron.

00:30:09 [Speaker 1]
Guy has schizophrenia.

00:30:11 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:30:12 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

00:30:12 [Speaker 1]
Come on, man.
00:30:13 [Speaker 1]
I mean, not bad though.
00:30:14 [Speaker 1]
This episode was brought to you by fucking log line.

00:30:17 [Speaker 2]
There's always

00:30:18 [Speaker 1]
a log line.

00:30:18 [Speaker 2]
I gotta shit.
00:30:19 [Speaker 2]
I gotta drop a log.

00:30:31 [Speaker 1]
That wait in the log line could have been worse.

00:30:34 [Speaker 2]
The log line wasn't bad.
00:30:35 [Speaker 2]
The poop queue The movie was tougher.

00:30:38 [Speaker 1]
The movie poopshoot.com into the annals about movies.
00:30:43 [Speaker 1]
That's what we're gonna do today.
00:30:45 [Speaker 1]
Aaron Goodman is with us.
00:30:47 [Speaker 1]
He is a yoga teacher and a licensed massage therapist who also provides cupping and all sorts of cool stuff.

00:30:58 [Speaker 2]
So if you're if you're injured from a fight club,

00:31:01 [Speaker 1]
if you

00:31:01 [Speaker 2]
got some back problems or shoulder issues Mhmm.
00:31:03 [Speaker 2]
You should go to

00:31:04 [Speaker 1]
There you go.
00:31:05 [Speaker 1]
There you go.

00:31:06 [Speaker 3]
I got yoga poses to help you poop too.
00:31:08 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:31:08 [Speaker 3]
I got yoga poses every night.

00:31:11 [Speaker 2]
He'll make that poop shoot real nice.
00:31:14 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:31:14 [Speaker 2]
The log line will go so fast.

00:31:16 [Speaker 3]
It'll flow.

00:31:17 [Speaker 1]
I hate this episode now.
00:31:19 [Speaker 1]
We are going to play a card game that we typically play.
00:31:23 [Speaker 1]
It's called Cinephile.
00:31:26 [Speaker 1]
Aaron is going to be presented with a playing card with a crudely drawn sketch or artistic version of a celebrity depending on your subjective opinion of it, and it will have some text at the bottom below the celebrity's image to tell Aaron his freebie movie will go round robin and see who can't get it.
00:31:49 [Speaker 1]
That person will speak first.

00:31:52 [Speaker 3]
Got it.
00:31:53 [Speaker 3]
Because it's probably gonna be me first.
00:31:55 [Speaker 3]
Having listened to this game a couple of times.
00:31:57 [Speaker 3]
You never know.

00:31:57 [Speaker 2]
There's some deep there's some deep cuts in here.
00:31:59 [Speaker 2]
So

00:31:59 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:31:59 [Speaker 3]
Sure.

00:32:00 [Speaker 2]
Alright.
00:32:01 [Speaker 2]
So I'm going to, flippity dip the cards, and you let me know when to stop.

00:32:07 [Speaker 3]
Stop.
00:32:09 [Speaker 3]
Annette Benning?
00:32:11 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
00:32:12 [Speaker 3]
The Grifters.
00:32:14 [Speaker 3]
Alright.

00:32:15 [Speaker 3]
Paul?

00:32:17 [Speaker 1]
American Beauty.

00:32:18 [Speaker 2]
Oh, good call.
00:32:20 [Speaker 2]
Good.
00:32:20 [Speaker 2]
That was what I was gonna say.
00:32:22 [Speaker 2]
See?
00:32:22 [Speaker 2]
I don't I can't think of another Annette Bedding movie to save my life, so I'll let you off the hook here.

00:32:28 [Speaker 3]
That's you'll do it.
00:32:30 [Speaker 3]
Can I try one?

00:32:32 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

00:32:33 [Speaker 3]
Fried green tomatoes?

00:32:35 [Speaker 1]
Is it?
00:32:36 [Speaker 1]
That I don't know.
00:32:37 [Speaker 1]
Guessing.

00:32:38 [Speaker 3]
It was a hell it was just like a you know?

00:32:40 [Speaker 2]
I'm really in the dark on Annette Bening movies, if I'm being honest.

00:32:43 [Speaker 1]
She was not in fried green tomatoes, but I'll be honest with you.
00:32:48 [Speaker 1]
If you had said it, I don't think I would have challenged you.

00:32:52 [Speaker 3]
Sure.

00:32:52 [Speaker 2]
She was she wasn't in first wife's club.
00:32:54 [Speaker 2]
Right?

00:32:55 [Speaker 1]
I don't believe so.
00:32:56 [Speaker 1]
The one that I was gonna say was NIAID, the diving movie.

00:33:00 [Speaker 2]
Oh, I just watched that.

00:33:01 [Speaker 1]
And Mars Attacks.
00:33:02 [Speaker 1]
Like, the American Beauty, Mars Attacks, and Naiad were the ones that my brain would load.
00:33:08 [Speaker 1]
I watched two of them.
00:33:09 [Speaker 1]
From the Edge was the other one I would have, like, eventually came up with if we got to it.
00:33:13 [Speaker 1]
That that was the end of my rope.

00:33:15 [Speaker 3]
She's the name I've heard, and that's the extent of it.
00:33:18 [Speaker 3]
But Well

00:33:18 [Speaker 1]
it goes.

00:33:19 [Speaker 2]
She So it goes.

00:33:20 [Speaker 1]
She's a wonderful actress.

00:33:22 [Speaker 3]
Not not being a movie buff.

00:33:23 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:33:24 [Speaker 1]
You you did okay.
00:33:25 [Speaker 1]
And by that, I mean, Ben got NBA jammed.
00:33:27 [Speaker 1]
Boom.
00:33:28 [Speaker 1]
Shaka lockup.

00:33:29 [Speaker 1]
Ben.

00:33:30 [Speaker 2]
This is one of the first movies on DVD that my mom owned.
00:33:36 [Speaker 2]
For Aaron and listeners, my my parents have been divorced most of my life.
00:33:41 [Speaker 2]
So, you know, most of my movies that I had were at my dad's because I I was at my dad's more than I was at my mom's.
00:33:47 [Speaker 2]
We watched it quite frequently, although we went to Blockbuster often, so didn't need to watch it all the time.
00:33:55 [Speaker 2]
And, I probably watched this I I know I watched this before.

00:33:58 [Speaker 2]
I was, like, ready to really digest it in the way that I think that it's meant to be digested.
00:34:07 [Speaker 2]
I was telling Jess today.
00:34:08 [Speaker 2]
I was like, I think this movie might be the epitome of movies that most men take the wrong thing away from.
00:34:15 [Speaker 2]
It's actually calling out that kind of behavior and culture and and toxic masculinity stuff that people are like, oh, yeah.
00:34:21 [Speaker 2]
Fight Club.

00:34:22 [Speaker 2]
It's a movie about dudes who punch each other.
00:34:25 [Speaker 2]
Not really.
00:34:26 [Speaker 2]
Back then, I probably would have given it when I was 14, maybe 13, 14, 14, 15?
00:34:35 [Speaker 2]
Oh, maybe I was 15.
00:34:36 [Speaker 2]
I probably would have gotten to, like, four and a half bars of soap.

00:34:41 [Speaker 2]
I I own this movie on DVD, but I don't own this movie in another format.
00:34:46 [Speaker 2]
So I couldn't watch it because I don't have anything that plays DVD.

00:34:51 [Speaker 1]
What?

00:34:51 [Speaker 2]
So I had to

00:34:53 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:34:53 [Speaker 1]
Your PS five doesn't play DVD?

00:34:55 [Speaker 2]
PS five does not play.

00:34:56 [Speaker 1]
Oh, shit.
00:34:57 [Speaker 1]
Blu ray or better, dog?
00:34:58 [Speaker 1]
Alright.

00:34:58 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:34:59 [Speaker 2]
Go back to the cloud.

00:34:59 [Speaker 3]
I'm the

00:35:00 [Speaker 1]
devil.
00:35:00 [Speaker 1]
Alright.

00:35:01 [Speaker 3]
Get get with it.

00:35:02 [Speaker 2]
Get with the times.
00:35:03 [Speaker 2]
You know?

00:35:04 [Speaker 3]
This is why I

00:35:05 [Speaker 1]
don't work for Sony.

00:35:07 [Speaker 3]
That's why?

00:35:08 [Speaker 1]
I mean, we went over some other things of of why.
00:35:10 [Speaker 1]
There will be more.
00:35:11 [Speaker 1]
We'll divulge more in for this is a this is a hot episode about the reasons why I'm not with Sony.
00:35:15 [Speaker 1]
We're gonna go over a lot stuff.

00:35:17 [Speaker 2]
I know you're a hot commodity, Paul.
00:35:18 [Speaker 2]
I know Sony's been trying to get you get you on board for a while.

00:35:22 [Speaker 1]
Cool.
00:35:22 [Speaker 1]
I I have offers from Panafonics, Magnetbox, all the great brands.

00:35:28 [Speaker 2]
RadioShack is is really

00:35:30 [Speaker 1]
biased.
00:35:30 [Speaker 1]
New RadioShack.
00:35:31 [Speaker 1]
Radio s h a q radio.

00:35:33 [Speaker 3]
Is there still Fry Fry's Electronics?

00:35:35 [Speaker 1]
Not anymore.
00:35:36 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:35:37 [Speaker 1]
That's why there's the RadioShack, the only store that sells electronics that are all endorsed by former NBA great, Shaq.

00:35:45 [Speaker 2]
Of course.

00:35:46 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:35:46 [Speaker 1]
They're all video only.
00:35:47 [Speaker 1]
Video only.
00:35:48 [Speaker 1]
They're still around.

00:35:50 [Speaker 2]
Really?

00:35:50 [Speaker 1]
Their name now I think it's still the rainbow.

00:35:52 [Speaker 2]
But their name's a a lie.
00:35:54 [Speaker 2]
That's a lie.

00:35:55 [Speaker 3]
Well, it's like the dollar like the Dollar Tree.
00:35:57 [Speaker 3]
It's not a Dollar Tree.

00:35:58 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:35:58 [Speaker 2]
They don't and they also don't do just dollar.
00:36:00 [Speaker 2]
Dollar stores don't just do dollar now because No.
00:36:03 [Speaker 2]
Always the fucking dollar.

00:36:04 [Speaker 3]
It's every it's dollar and up.
00:36:06 [Speaker 3]
There used to be a store here locally.
00:36:08 [Speaker 3]
It's at a dollar 25 and up.
00:36:10 [Speaker 3]
It's like, isn't that every store?
00:36:11 [Speaker 3]
Every store is

00:36:12 [Speaker 2]
dollar 25

00:36:13 [Speaker 1]
and up.

00:36:14 [Speaker 2]
You can't find anything underneath that.

00:36:15 [Speaker 1]
Under under a dollar 25.

00:36:17 [Speaker 2]
You want a stamp?
00:36:18 [Speaker 2]
If you want a stamp?

00:36:19 [Speaker 1]
How much micro how much microplastics can your body handle?
00:36:24 [Speaker 1]
Let's find out.

00:36:25 [Speaker 3]
And you gotta think that was eighteen years ago.
00:36:28 [Speaker 3]
Oh.

00:36:28 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

00:36:29 [Speaker 3]
Shit was pretty cheap back then, which something I made a comment about this movie watching it today, which I'm kind of divulging.
00:36:36 [Speaker 3]
One of the thoughts I had was, wow.
00:36:37 [Speaker 3]
Look at the price of everything when he had that scene of all the IKEA stuff kinda dated.

00:36:43 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:36:43 [Speaker 2]
I mean, I feel like the movie is very dated in some ways.
00:36:46 [Speaker 2]
It also I watched it today, and I also was, struck once again by just how beautiful the movie is.
00:36:56 [Speaker 2]
The way it's shot and the way it's color graded and the shady the, the lighting, the cuts, the edits, it is a it is a beast for your eyes.
00:37:06 [Speaker 2]
You know.

00:37:07 [Speaker 2]
And Fincher, and he leaned so hard into the style of the story in his filmmaking.
00:37:15 [Speaker 2]
That is something to celebrate because that's I I feel like not what every director would have done given this story.
00:37:21 [Speaker 2]
And I think he really takes that on.
00:37:24 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:37:25 [Speaker 2]
I watched it today.

00:37:26 [Speaker 2]
I watched it on HBO Max.
00:37:28 [Speaker 2]
It's a solid movie in the pantheon of cinema.
00:37:31 [Speaker 2]
So for me, it's a, four piss in your clam chowders.
00:37:36 [Speaker 2]
That's what it is.

00:37:38 [Speaker 1]
Four urine tainted, you're in the middle of a civil lawsuit over at clam chowders.

00:37:43 [Speaker 2]
Clam chowders.

00:37:44 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:37:44 [Speaker 1]
Over at he's in a lawsuit over the urine content of their clam chowder.
00:37:50 [Speaker 1]
Is it me or Aaron?

00:37:51 [Speaker 2]
It's Aaron, I think.

00:37:53 [Speaker 3]
Saw the movie when I was in high school.
00:37:57 [Speaker 3]
I loved it.
00:37:58 [Speaker 3]
I remember it just blew me away, and I was

00:38:00 [Speaker 4]
must still blow this guy.

00:38:02 [Speaker 3]
I don't know if I was old enough to fully digest it as well, but I just remember it was just so dense and, and really made me think and really made me just wanna watch it again.
00:38:15 [Speaker 3]
The first time I watched the show, I wanna say it was, four and a half penguins in my my little ice cave.

00:38:24 [Speaker 2]
In your fortress of solitude?

00:38:25 [Speaker 3]
Yep.
00:38:26 [Speaker 3]
Without Leo's breath, but that's fine.

00:38:29 [Speaker 2]
I always have I always have Leonardo Caprio.

00:38:31 [Speaker 1]
Guys, let go.
00:38:33 [Speaker 1]
You never let go.
00:38:35 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:38:35 [Speaker 3]
Wrong wrong movie.
00:38:36 [Speaker 3]
It's not Frozen.
00:38:37 [Speaker 3]
That's my daughter's favorite movie, but I digress.
00:38:39 [Speaker 3]
Let it go.
00:38:40 [Speaker 3]
Let

00:38:40 [Speaker 1]
it let it go.
00:38:42 [Speaker 1]
Aaron, you're the father, and I'm just I know you should be saying this, but

00:38:46 [Speaker 3]
but Probably a movie that you're never gonna hear a viewer about

00:38:49 [Speaker 1]
on this show.
00:38:50 [Speaker 1]
I mean, there there are a couple of them.
00:38:53 [Speaker 1]
I'm we're not against it, but it could similar to something 28 related, it it might be difficult.
00:38:58 [Speaker 1]
Sure.

00:39:00 [Speaker 3]
Sure.
00:39:00 [Speaker 3]
So and then, I watched it again today.
00:39:02 [Speaker 3]
Actually, in the end of the day, I watched it twice today.
00:39:04 [Speaker 3]
This morning, then I watched it again this afternoon.

00:39:06 [Speaker 4]
The limit does not exist.

00:39:07 [Speaker 3]
I had the time.
00:39:08 [Speaker 3]
I had that feeling like I just described when I first watched it, which is, like, I wanna watch that again.
00:39:13 [Speaker 3]
Like, there's so many things that are layered in there, and I love Paldenuk's books.
00:39:20 [Speaker 3]
And Fincher does such an amazing job of doing it justice.

00:39:23 [Speaker 1]
Are you running the Hood to Coast, the 200 miles by yourself?
00:39:28 [Speaker 1]
What is your like, your endurance is nuts.
00:39:32 [Speaker 1]
It's nuts.

00:39:33 [Speaker 3]
It it is.
00:39:34 [Speaker 3]
I was I was up at 5AM and ran five miles this morning, and then watched the movie this morning actually with Paul.
00:39:41 [Speaker 3]
And, yeah.
00:39:42 [Speaker 3]
Spoilers.
00:39:43 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

00:39:43 [Speaker 3]
Spoiler alert.
00:39:44 [Speaker 3]
It's rare that we get to hang out and do that, and it was just doing this as a treat and a real fun thing to do, and then same with that.
00:39:52 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:39:52 [Speaker 3]
That being said, to watch it again this afternoon, I watched everything almost up to the very end.
00:39:59 [Speaker 3]
I caught things that I didn't catch this morning.

00:40:01 [Speaker 3]
It's one of those movies you have to almost do that to really appreciate it because you gotta watch it twice.
00:40:06 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:40:07 [Speaker 3]
You really do.
00:40:07 [Speaker 3]
Like Especially

00:40:08 [Speaker 2]
if you wanna see the dicks.

00:40:09 [Speaker 3]
You know?
00:40:10 [Speaker 3]
It's so yeah.

00:40:11 [Speaker 1]
Just a nice big cock.

00:40:13 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:40:14 [Speaker 3]
There's so many little things.

00:40:15 [Speaker 2]
Or brackets that just appear.
00:40:17 [Speaker 2]
You know?

00:40:18 [Speaker 3]
So many.
00:40:19 [Speaker 3]
But there's so many little Easter eggs and little things that I thought about watching at the second time.
00:40:23 [Speaker 3]
When he wears a name tag, I'm like, can you see the font?
00:40:26 [Speaker 3]
And it's, like, blurred out.
00:40:28 [Speaker 3]
You can't really see it.

00:40:29 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:40:29 [Speaker 3]
But what what so so watching again today, I'd say that my rating is a full five penguins.

00:40:37 [Speaker 2]
Wow.

00:40:37 [Speaker 3]
Five five king penguins.

00:40:40 [Speaker 1]
Ice cold, hard as hell.

00:40:43 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:40:44 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:40:44 [Speaker 3]
Woah.
00:40:44 [Speaker 3]
It it it I think it really it's

00:40:47 [Speaker 1]
Sliding.

00:40:48 [Speaker 3]
It lands with the times today and the narratives of the movie, it's just as hard if not harder in my opinion.

00:40:58 [Speaker 1]
Wow.
00:40:59 [Speaker 1]
It it hits just as hard.
00:41:00 [Speaker 1]
Was that on purpose?

00:41:03 [Speaker 3]
No.
00:41:03 [Speaker 3]
That was not.
00:41:04 [Speaker 3]
That was okay.
00:41:05 [Speaker 3]
That was authentic.

00:41:06 [Speaker 2]
It's like it's like it's a punch, like, as hard as Indiana Jones punches.
00:41:09 [Speaker 2]
Those are some hard punches.
00:41:11 [Speaker 2]
It's true.

00:41:12 [Speaker 1]
Let it go.
00:41:13 [Speaker 1]
Okay?
00:41:14 [Speaker 1]
Let it.

00:41:15 [Speaker 2]
Indiana.
00:41:15 [Speaker 2]
Indiana.
00:41:17 [Speaker 2]
Let it go.

00:41:18 [Speaker 1]
Let it go.
00:41:19 [Speaker 1]
Oh, shit.
00:41:20 [Speaker 1]
This is a lawsuit?
00:41:21 [Speaker 1]
Oh, wow.
00:41:22 [Speaker 1]
That's faster.

00:41:23 [Speaker 1]
Me?
00:41:24 [Speaker 1]
I watched this in high school as well, borrowed it from a neighbor.
00:41:28 [Speaker 1]
And, yeah, first time I watched it was a little kind of confused by it and was having all these existential philosophical thoughts and all this stuff.
00:41:39 [Speaker 1]
But also, I don't know if I want to say repelled because I've owned this movie a couple times in different formats, but there is a level of it that's just and it sticks now still that it you watch it and you're just like, oh, these characters and these guys and this cult, this cell, like, I prefer Bodhi from Point Break.
00:42:02 [Speaker 1]
Just no.

00:42:02 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:42:03 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:42:03 [Speaker 1]
So it hit me when I was young as well.
00:42:06 [Speaker 1]
There's a lot of I was three when I saw this.
00:42:09 [Speaker 1]
A lot of things that are said, mantras, beliefs, things from books, or what have you that, like, really fucking add up or when they talk about the recall of a car, like, that's how that shit works.

00:42:23 [Speaker 1]
And I just I really liked it.
00:42:26 [Speaker 1]
I had the soundtrack.
00:42:27 [Speaker 1]
That still really fucking holds up.
00:42:29 [Speaker 1]
It's so cool and so specific and so individual.
00:42:33 [Speaker 1]
It really works in this movie.

00:42:35 [Speaker 1]
That's why I think the dust brothers have done, like, angry German kid show.
00:42:39 [Speaker 1]
Not a lot of other movies.
00:42:41 [Speaker 1]
Really loved it.
00:42:42 [Speaker 1]
I would say that it was a five for me when I was young.
00:42:45 [Speaker 1]
Absolutely.

00:42:46 [Speaker 1]
Five.
00:42:47 [Speaker 1]
Hovatreck, Fernieholm exercise bikes.
00:42:52 [Speaker 1]
What was it?
00:42:52 [Speaker 1]
Hovatreck?
00:42:53 [Speaker 1]
Wasn't that what it was called when they're going in his apartment?

00:42:55 [Speaker 1]
Some bullshit.
00:42:56 [Speaker 1]
Spectorpe, whatever it

00:42:58 [Speaker 2]
was.
00:42:59 [Speaker 2]
Log line.

00:42:59 [Speaker 1]
I've watched this movie My wife.
00:43:02 [Speaker 1]
Couple different times since then, And I haven't watched it for fifteen years.
00:43:08 [Speaker 1]
Watched it this morning.
00:43:10 [Speaker 1]
And what a fucking experience.
00:43:14 [Speaker 1]
I can take a million things from this movie depending on what your thought processes, your stances, your foundation, your beliefs, million different things.

00:43:25 [Speaker 1]
And it's kind of fucking exhausting in a really fun, great roller coaster way at times, and a really frustrating upsetting way at times.
00:43:36 [Speaker 1]
Dick.

00:43:37 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

00:43:37 [Speaker 1]
And man, Ben, you were also talking about the music and the color of the movie and the tone of the movie.
00:43:45 [Speaker 1]
And it's like, woah, it's Palanook, but it's Fincher.
00:43:48 [Speaker 1]
And it's this, but it's this, but it's the same.
00:43:51 [Speaker 1]
And it's a really fucking cool thing.
00:43:54 [Speaker 1]
I think this is a five act movie.

00:43:56 [Speaker 1]
Not that that matters, but the movie is just so goddamn dense.
00:44:00 [Speaker 1]
When Aaron said, I watched this twice in one day, and I don't disagree that you could pick up different things because I had a different viewing experience than I've ever had.
00:44:08 [Speaker 1]
And I've seen this movie four or five times before now at least.
00:44:11 [Speaker 1]
I could there's no way that I wanna watch this movie in the next several years.
00:44:15 [Speaker 1]
It's so goddamn tiring more than anything else, and just all the existential, and societal, and religious, and spiritual, and human quite it's too much sometimes, and it's not a short run time.

00:44:32 [Speaker 1]
It's two hours of fucking twenty minutes, and yeah, it is.
00:44:36 [Speaker 1]
Absolutely it's that.
00:44:38 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:44:38 [Speaker 1]
And I do agree that the movie does mostly move at a good clip, but again, like, I'm tired at times.
00:44:43 [Speaker 1]
It's and it's not Kung Fu hustle tired.

00:44:46 [Speaker 1]
It's a different existential dread tired that's a little bit different.
00:44:51 [Speaker 1]
So really really still enjoy the movie.
00:44:54 [Speaker 1]
Beautiful.
00:44:54 [Speaker 1]
Love the way it's cut.
00:44:56 [Speaker 1]
Love the performances.

00:44:58 [Speaker 1]
The meatloaf and the she has three names.
00:45:02 [Speaker 1]
Helena Bonham Carter performances stand out more than ever to me as I think I I look more at those folks who play the third, fourth, eighth, tenth build person than I have ever.
00:45:13 [Speaker 1]
And how much it builds up the movie.
00:45:16 [Speaker 1]
All that being said, I'm at a a soft I mean, I'm getting on there at my current self, about fifteen, twenty pounds overweight, and I'm getting on the HOVA truck at a four.
00:45:26 [Speaker 1]
I'd love to get it back up to a four and a half or a five.

00:45:29 [Speaker 1]
But I'm at I'm at a soft a soft, you know, woo hoo, four.

00:45:35 [Speaker 2]
There we are.
00:45:35 [Speaker 2]
We got a four, a five, and a four.

00:45:38 [Speaker 1]
Oh, four five four four four five five four four?

00:45:41 [Speaker 2]
I think we're all chomping at the bit to

00:45:45 [Speaker 1]
Start the movie.
00:45:46 [Speaker 1]
Start the movie.

00:45:49 [Speaker 2]
Start the movie.

00:45:52 [Speaker 1]
And now, our feature presentation.
00:45:56 [Speaker 1]
Is that the inside of Edward Norton's brain at the beginning of the movie as we're getting the Dust Brothers composition, and then we come out to the gun that's in his mouth?
00:46:06 [Speaker 1]
Are is that is the inside of his brain?
00:46:10 [Speaker 1]
It could.

00:46:11 [Speaker 3]
Could be.
00:46:12 [Speaker 3]
It also could be.
00:46:13 [Speaker 3]
It it it makes us know.
00:46:14 [Speaker 3]
It makes me think of, like, neuropathways, like, the inside of the body.
00:46:18 [Speaker 3]
It could it could be the brain.

00:46:19 [Speaker 3]
It could just also just be, like, any part of his body.
00:46:22 [Speaker 3]
Like

00:46:22 [Speaker 1]
Okay.

00:46:23 [Speaker 3]
Just in the script, but it could be the brain.

00:46:26 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:46:27 [Speaker 1]
I mean, it felt like that to me too.
00:46:28 [Speaker 1]
Like, it felt like there were electrical things firing and shit like that.
00:46:33 [Speaker 1]
And and we find out that Aaron Norton's hostage, he's got a gun in his mouth, and a narration starts.
00:46:39 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:46:40 [Speaker 1]
You can only say vowels with a gun in your mouth.
00:46:42 [Speaker 1]
I like the narration in this movie.
00:46:44 [Speaker 1]
I feel like it's someone almost kind of like impartially reading the book to me.

00:46:49 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:46:50 [Speaker 2]
I enjoyed that as well, especially after just having done my time machine adaptation.
00:46:56 [Speaker 2]
I was like, oh, yeah.
00:46:57 [Speaker 2]
I I I enjoy this level of storytelling.
00:46:59 [Speaker 2]
You know?

00:46:59 [Speaker 2]
I think Wes Anderson does that too where I I enjoy characters that break the fourth wall and and not just in, like, a Deadpool way, but in, like, a in, like, a we're part of the story, we're telling the story to you way.

00:47:12 [Speaker 1]
Something I noticed that I'd never noticed really before when the fourth wall is broken in this movie, there are some very specific moments where characters are speaking to the audience.
00:47:22 [Speaker 1]
But there are other times where Edward Norton or someone's breaking the fourth wall, and it's almost like, are you looking into a fucking mirror?
00:47:29 [Speaker 1]
Like, there's something very eerie about it that almost feels like they're not breaking a fourth wall that they don't realize that it's at.
00:47:36 [Speaker 1]
It doesn't feel as you were saying as cheeky as like a Deadpool or what have you.
00:47:40 [Speaker 1]
At points, it's, like, disturbing.

00:47:43 [Speaker 1]
Bob with bitch tits shows up, and we find out that Cornelius, Rupert what is your name anyway?
00:47:51 [Speaker 1]
Jack Tyler Durden, the narrator, Edward Norton is going to these different meetings, NA meetings, cancer meetings, blood parasite meetings, I have no balls meetings, remaining men together is the testicular cancer one.
00:48:05 [Speaker 1]
But he is a tourist in these meetings because he can't sleep, because he can't cope.
00:48:09 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:48:10 [Speaker 1]
So yeah.

00:48:10 [Speaker 1]
For some reason, he can't sleep.

00:48:12 [Speaker 2]
I was gonna ask, have either of you ever suffered from insomnia?

00:48:18 [Speaker 3]
No.
00:48:18 [Speaker 3]
Having kids, it feels like it when they're really young.
00:48:21 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:48:23 [Speaker 3]
But Yeah.
00:48:23 [Speaker 3]
Sure.

00:48:24 [Speaker 3]
But never a condition like that.

00:48:27 [Speaker 1]
You always feel like you're just kinda at the midpoint of the log line.
00:48:32 [Speaker 1]
It just never ends.

00:48:33 [Speaker 2]
I mean, I I had insomnia get there.
00:48:35 [Speaker 2]
I had insomnia for, like, two weeks once.
00:48:38 [Speaker 2]
That was real rough.
00:48:40 [Speaker 2]
And it and he he describes it pretty well where he's like, you're not really awake and you're not really asleep.
00:48:45 [Speaker 2]
There's full moments that I do not remember where I was fully awake, but I I don't remember those moments.

00:48:51 [Speaker 1]
For me, it was like three days.
00:48:53 [Speaker 1]
That was as bad as it got.
00:48:54 [Speaker 1]
But, like, what you're talking about sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare because three days was rough.
00:48:59 [Speaker 1]
Three days was real rough.
00:49:00 [Speaker 1]
Aaron being like, no.

00:49:02 [Speaker 1]
I'm fine.
00:49:03 [Speaker 1]
Then he kinda starts talking about he's like, well, my kids don't let me sleep ever.

00:49:08 [Speaker 3]
I've been lucky with my physical body.
00:49:10 [Speaker 3]
I've had pretty good sleep most of my life.
00:49:12 [Speaker 3]
I find the science of sleep fascinating.
00:49:15 [Speaker 3]
As I was talking earlier, the body anything to do with the body, interesting stuff in general, I'm I kind of glom onto and and just I love that stuff.
00:49:24 [Speaker 3]
It just really it, you know, really gets gets my my head spinning.

00:49:27 [Speaker 3]
So the science of how much sleep how important sleep is and then in the juxtaposition of how much sleep he's not getting and how that sets the premise of why he's so fucked up Well and the and why he's struggling.
00:49:40 [Speaker 3]
Kinda Yes.
00:49:41 [Speaker 3]
It can be the the sense of hallucinations.
00:49:45 [Speaker 3]
Random story.
00:49:46 [Speaker 3]
I have a friend of mine who was an ultra marathoner, and he ran a 200 mile plus ultra marathon by himself through in Scotland, and he ran basically for forty eight straight hours.

00:49:55 [Speaker 3]
And he told me he would hallucinate things, and it was, like, to this crazy obstacle with just having to run nonstop.

00:50:04 [Speaker 1]
Does he know Jay Leno?
00:50:05 [Speaker 1]
Did he see Jay Leno in a hallucination

00:50:08 [Speaker 3]
He wasn't

00:50:09 [Speaker 1]
sure versed.
00:50:09 [Speaker 1]
Nervous.
00:50:10 [Speaker 1]
No.
00:50:10 [Speaker 1]
Not at all.
00:50:11 [Speaker 1]
No Jay Leno.

00:50:12 [Speaker 2]
In the middle of Scotland, he just says, hey.
00:50:13 [Speaker 2]
Did you hear about this?
00:50:14 [Speaker 2]
Did you hear about

00:50:14 [Speaker 3]
this?
00:50:15 [Speaker 3]
Yes.

00:50:16 [Speaker 4]
Dig up dig up this, Scotch chair.
00:50:17 [Speaker 4]
You know about this?
00:50:18 [Speaker 4]
You hear about this burglar alarm.
00:50:20 [Speaker 4]
Do you hear about this?

00:50:21 [Speaker 1]
We're in the moment with the doctor, And Edward Norton, the narrator's telling him, I fall asleep.
00:50:26 [Speaker 1]
I lose time.
00:50:27 [Speaker 1]
I wake up.
00:50:27 [Speaker 1]
I don't know where I am.
00:50:28 [Speaker 1]
I don't know what I've done and all this stuff.

00:50:30 [Speaker 1]
And the doctor just being like, choose some Valerian root and exercise more and just like blowing him off Away.
00:50:38 [Speaker 1]
By the time we get to Away.
00:50:40 [Speaker 1]
The ball cancer meeting and the narrator realizing like, oh, if I cope through other people's trauma with whatever he's dealing with, being a consumer, having an IKEA apartment, whatever he's dealing with or upset about, trying to be a member of society and the societal contract when he doesn't see the point, I guess.
00:51:04 [Speaker 1]
Dang.
00:51:05 [Speaker 1]
And he's finally able to sleep, and then Marlo shows up.

00:51:08 [Speaker 2]
To me, it's like he's he's just been sort of, like, living in co like, as a co pilot in his own life, which is gonna become more obvious.
00:51:17 [Speaker 2]
But, like Yeah.
00:51:18 [Speaker 2]
That he has just kind of been like a just a passenger behind the wheel going through the motions of living, which, you know, I think Chuck Palahniuk kinda hits a theme has themes like that that run throughout a lot of his stories.
00:51:30 [Speaker 2]
How do you disrupt the banality of existing?
00:51:33 [Speaker 2]
I think for him, he it it is existential.

00:51:36 [Speaker 2]
Right?
00:51:36 [Speaker 2]
He he has to go somewhere where people are in existential crises for him to, like, be grounded and, like, be at peace to find some sort

00:51:46 [Speaker 3]
of It's a place for it's a place for him.
00:51:49 [Speaker 3]
Him crying is what gave him the ability to sleep.
00:51:53 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:51:54 [Speaker 3]
And when you talk about the juxtaposition

00:51:56 [Speaker 1]
to watch it twice to know that.
00:51:57 [Speaker 1]
You talk.

00:51:58 [Speaker 3]
Well well, but but think about, like Yeah.
00:51:59 [Speaker 3]
Me too.
00:52:00 [Speaker 3]
The the op especially being a male character, and it's kind of ironic a female comes in and ruins the situation.
00:52:05 [Speaker 3]
But crying is a very vulnerable thing.
00:52:09 [Speaker 3]
And he can't

00:52:09 [Speaker 1]
cry in front of her.
00:52:10 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:52:10 [Speaker 3]
He can't well, and he can't cry in front of her, and also, he couldn't cry before going to these things.
00:52:15 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:52:15 [Speaker 3]
And going to these things opened up that vulnerability, which is kind of, like, what then proceeds for the next part of the movie of the exact opposite of that vulnerability that you sets the precedent of what was making him feel good and normal was crying and basically being vulnerable.
00:52:34 [Speaker 3]
And then she showed up with a soulless, intention kind of like him even though it was actually

00:52:42 [Speaker 1]
Completely.

00:52:43 [Speaker 3]
Well, but it was helping him, and it wasn't helping her.
00:52:46 [Speaker 3]
So there is an there is a difference there.

00:52:49 [Speaker 1]
I don't think we can we know that.

00:52:50 [Speaker 3]
We don't know.
00:52:51 [Speaker 3]
Well well, but what the movie portrays, like, he was sleeping and then he wasn't sleeping and he blamed

00:52:56 [Speaker 1]
it.
00:52:57 [Speaker 1]
But he's a tourist as well just like she is where he's like, you big tourist.
00:53:02 [Speaker 1]
It's you're doing that too.
00:53:03 [Speaker 1]
Like, I understand what you're saying where it's like, yeah.
00:53:05 [Speaker 1]
But he's kind of like providing a service by being an empathetic sponge by letting these people trauma dump, and he's not interchanging anything.

00:53:12 [Speaker 3]
And the camera's following him.
00:53:14 [Speaker 3]
Like, we don't really know what's happening.
00:53:15 [Speaker 3]
But I feel like that story is still and that's a theme with Pollanox characters too sometimes is, like, an empathy.
00:53:22 [Speaker 3]
They have a soul even though sometimes they act like they don't have one the very next page.

00:53:27 [Speaker 1]
Something that is resonating with me that you're saying is that he is with all these other men that think they're dying and he's having what he sees as maybe several single serving friend meetings with the same friend or what have you.
00:53:41 [Speaker 1]
He's not gonna see them outside of this context.
00:53:43 [Speaker 1]
And he can cry.
00:53:44 [Speaker 1]
What a crutch.
00:53:45 [Speaker 1]
Marla is somebody that he wants to be with.

00:53:47 [Speaker 1]
He has this idea that he needs to clearly, like, be more macho or be more of an alpha male or whatever it is.
00:53:54 [Speaker 1]
And he he lets his intrusive thoughts win rather than continuing to be vulnerable.
00:53:59 [Speaker 1]
And all Marla ever wanted from him was to be vulnerable.

00:54:02 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:54:03 [Speaker 2]
The the movie just is it has a lot of depth to it, and I think that, like,

00:54:07 [Speaker 1]
the character

00:54:08 [Speaker 2]
the character's choices are are unusual and interesting to dissect.
00:54:12 [Speaker 2]
But I love the I do love that you brought up the single serving friends, and I love that that just that phrase and the way that he talks about it in terms of the on the plane.
00:54:21 [Speaker 2]
Now a question about a cat.
00:54:23 [Speaker 2]
And his job.
00:54:23 [Speaker 2]
I think his job's also indicated like, indicative I've lost my words.

00:54:28 [Speaker 2]
You know what I'm trying to say.
00:54:29 [Speaker 2]
Indicative.
00:54:30 [Speaker 2]
Indicative.
00:54:32 [Speaker 2]
Dick.
00:54:32 [Speaker 2]
Indicative.

00:54:34 [Speaker 3]
Opposite dick.
00:54:35 [Speaker 3]
Indicative.

00:54:36 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:54:37 [Speaker 1]
That's true.
00:54:37 [Speaker 1]
You bet.
00:54:38 [Speaker 1]
Crazy.

00:54:40 [Speaker 2]
That he of of who he is, it's this, like, this ability to understand that, like, we are all going to die.
00:54:51 [Speaker 2]
We're all on the same quest to to die and and that some will be more horrific or more more mundane than someone else's.
00:55:01 [Speaker 2]
And his job is to basically be like, yeah, these things happen and we're responsible for that sometimes.
00:55:07 [Speaker 2]
But just gotta keep moving on and that's his job is to is to just like be okay with them killing people.

00:55:14 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:55:14 [Speaker 1]
When you're the CEO of a major insurance company, you're committing murder by proxy millions of times a year in most cases.
00:55:23 [Speaker 1]
But that's, like, crazy that that's, like, your job.
00:55:26 [Speaker 1]
This is the part of the movie.
00:55:28 [Speaker 1]
It's like we're talking about this is we're meeting all these people in these groups, and Marla has such a disregard for everything clearly where she has already adopted the, like, I'm gonna fucking die anyway.

00:55:37 [Speaker 1]
Like, whatever.
00:55:38 [Speaker 1]
I'm gonna tourist all I want and sell people's clothes and smoke at the I put the tube in tuberculosis.
00:55:44 [Speaker 1]
At the tuberculosis meetings, like, when she calls him out for still having balls, like Yeah.
00:55:50 [Speaker 1]
What I have more of a right to be there, like, you still have your balls.
00:55:54 [Speaker 1]
Like, it's like her just calling him out on his shit, and he cannot handle it.

00:55:59 [Speaker 1]
I think this is the thing that manifests Tyler at more than anything else is that Interesting.
00:56:05 [Speaker 1]
He's intimidated by this woman that he likes that he can't just be like, I need this.
00:56:09 [Speaker 1]
Go away.
00:56:10 [Speaker 1]
And she's like, no.
00:56:11 [Speaker 1]
Fuck you.

00:56:11 [Speaker 1]
I'm a person too.
00:56:12 [Speaker 1]
And he just cannot handle it.

00:56:15 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:56:15 [Speaker 2]
That's a good point.
00:56:16 [Speaker 2]
I hadn't thought that she is the inciting incident for Tyler that Who fucking heck?
00:56:21 [Speaker 2]
That does that does make sense.

00:56:24 [Speaker 3]
I I I see a big yin and yang theme in the movie.
00:56:27 [Speaker 3]
There's literally a yin and yang display when he blows up his apartment.
00:56:32 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:56:33 [Speaker 3]
And and it's, like, very visible as the I I noticed again watching it.

00:56:36 [Speaker 2]
It's like

00:56:37 [Speaker 1]
The table?

00:56:38 [Speaker 3]
The table.
00:56:38 [Speaker 3]
Yin and yang.
00:56:39 [Speaker 3]
And

00:56:40 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:56:40 [Speaker 1]
Tyler.
00:56:40 [Speaker 1]
Ego.
00:56:41 [Speaker 1]
Clearly.

00:56:41 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:56:42 [Speaker 3]
Is the full on masculine person that he can't be, he wants to be.
00:56:47 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:56:47 [Speaker 3]
And Marla, in many ways, encroached and ruined his feminine side, which was crying on Bob's bitch hits that was really, like, giving him peace.
00:56:58 [Speaker 3]
And, ironically, a female showed up and ruined his

00:57:01 [Speaker 2]
yin Interesting.
00:57:03 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

00:57:03 [Speaker 3]
His yin thing.

00:57:04 [Speaker 1]
Well, and she didn't ruin it.
00:57:06 [Speaker 1]
He just doesn't know how he doesn't have the tools.

00:57:09 [Speaker 3]
Sure.
00:57:09 [Speaker 3]
Sure.
00:57:09 [Speaker 3]
But then he ends up, you know, sleeping with her whether he knows it or not.
00:57:14 [Speaker 3]
But Tyler does, really.
00:57:15 [Speaker 3]
Right.

00:57:16 [Speaker 2]
But I don't think he could have slept with her if he didn't have Tyler.

00:57:19 [Speaker 1]
Oh, I agree.
00:57:20 [Speaker 1]
Because he'd he's not strong enough.
00:57:22 [Speaker 1]
He doesn't have the tools.
00:57:23 [Speaker 1]
She's a very strong person, and he can't meet her

00:57:27 [Speaker 3]
at his And though though we to himself.
00:57:28 [Speaker 3]
Understand he's two different people.

00:57:30 [Speaker 1]
I said this

00:57:30 [Speaker 3]
to Paul this morning.
00:57:31 [Speaker 3]
Like, when you watch the the first time, just like the sixth sense, it's like, if you don't know that it's two people, in in many in many ways, it kinda gives it away in the beginning when you have flashes of him, and you can kinda, like, put two and two together, pun intended way.

00:57:45 [Speaker 1]
Edward Norton squint squints at him and yeah.

00:57:49 [Speaker 3]
But Yeah.

00:57:50 [Speaker 2]
When he flashes in and out.

00:57:51 [Speaker 3]
But with with his name, when he starts talking about Jack, yin and yang again, he's talking about Jack because

00:57:57 [Speaker 1]
Jack and Jill.
00:57:58 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:57:58 [Speaker 3]
Jack and Jill.
00:57:59 [Speaker 3]
Jack and Jill is male and female, yin and yang, Jack and Jill.
00:58:02 [Speaker 3]
And he's referring to Jack as Palomuk will do in his books.
00:58:05 [Speaker 3]
He's just referring to that one part of a of the story that was if you missed it, you missed it.

00:58:11 [Speaker 1]
But that's the psyche.
00:58:12 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:58:13 [Speaker 3]
Of the psyche.
00:58:13 [Speaker 3]
I think his name is Tyler the whole time.
00:58:15 [Speaker 3]
His alter ego of Tyler Verdin is really just his name.
00:58:18 [Speaker 3]
He just forgot his name.

00:58:20 [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.
00:58:20 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:58:20 [Speaker 3]
Right.
00:58:21 [Speaker 3]
And besides that, you never see his name on his name tag when it unless it's made up and no one calls him his name unless it's his alter ego, but that's he, you know.

00:58:28 [Speaker 1]
This is the thing that the movie still because I can never remove that I know that Yeah.
00:58:34 [Speaker 1]
This is one person.
00:58:35 [Speaker 1]
I can't do it.
00:58:36 [Speaker 1]
And part of it is because of all the shit that came after this that was like, we'll just do the fight club thing.
00:58:41 [Speaker 1]
Like, I just mold it whatever it

00:58:43 [Speaker 2]
is.
00:58:43 [Speaker 2]
Secret window.

00:58:45 [Speaker 1]
Oh, dude.
00:58:46 [Speaker 1]
Identity.
00:58:47 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
00:58:48 [Speaker 1]
Fucking Shutter Island to a degree, I guess, you could say, like, Joker, Split, High Tension, that French move there's so many movies that were, like, I

00:58:56 [Speaker 3]
wasn't even in the middle of the night.
00:58:58 [Speaker 3]
The way it was shot, I felt, like, set a precedent for how to make it look

00:59:02 [Speaker 1]
good looking movie.

00:59:03 [Speaker 3]
How to make it look beautiful and it's edgy Yeah.
00:59:07 [Speaker 3]
And makes you feel uncomfortable intentionally, makes you hear and see things that it's not to the like, to the psyche of, like, saw where it's like it's just too much.
00:59:18 [Speaker 3]
Oh, yeah.
00:59:19 [Speaker 3]
That's the

00:59:20 [Speaker 1]
thing.
00:59:20 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

00:59:21 [Speaker 3]
It's almost too much, but you're like you have empathy for these characters as the movie goes along because it's it's a journey.
00:59:27 [Speaker 3]
It's like five acts, like you said.

00:59:28 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:59:29 [Speaker 2]
It's also commenting on how it's too much.
00:59:31 [Speaker 2]
I mean, the fact that Yeah.
00:59:32 [Speaker 2]
He talks about Tyler cutting in porn into movies, you know, like, that in itself is like it's like a meta commentary on on the movie itself and and also on just how, like, you know, how bored he is with life, and he needs some spice.
00:59:51 [Speaker 2]
And this is, like, how he's gonna he's gonna spice life up by by putting something in front of people that gonna fuck them up, but they don't wanna talk about it.

00:59:58 [Speaker 3]
What's the exact opposite of his lifestyle that he literally blew up?

01:00:02 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:00:02 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:00:03 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:00:03 [Speaker 3]
The house he moved into.
01:00:04 [Speaker 3]
Again, it's Yin and Yang.
01:00:05 [Speaker 3]
It's literally the opposite.

01:00:07 [Speaker 2]
He's squatting in that place.
01:00:08 [Speaker 2]
Right?

01:00:08 [Speaker 3]
Right.
01:00:09 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:00:09 [Speaker 3]
He's squatting.
01:00:10 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:00:11 [Speaker 3]
There's not

01:00:11 [Speaker 1]
a lease in his name or whatever that it's gotta be an abandoned or condemned building or something.

01:00:16 [Speaker 3]
It almost seems worse than it probably was in reality with what he was projecting in his mind.
01:00:21 [Speaker 3]
Like, how could there be that much water in the basement all the time?

01:00:24 [Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.
01:00:25 [Speaker 1]
Well and we were talking about how chilling it is when he goes to the car recall where it's like a plus b times c equals x.
01:00:32 [Speaker 1]
And if this many people are gonna sue for this much money, we don't do a recall.
01:00:37 [Speaker 1]
And, like, that shit's true.

01:00:39 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:00:39 [Speaker 1]
But, like, when he talks about orange juice concentrate and gasoline making napalm, I don't think that's true.
01:00:45 [Speaker 1]
But, like, the the movie basically, it it almost is like it feels like it's trying to motivate me to wanna, like, read the anarchist cookbook or be like societal fabric tear it apart at whatever points.
01:00:58 [Speaker 1]
And I like the the arc that the movie takes to be, like, cool.
01:01:01 [Speaker 1]
If you wanna listen to that intrusive voice and this is really how you feel and this is what you wanna give into, this is where that leads.
01:01:09 [Speaker 1]
This is the road that that goes down.

01:01:11 [Speaker 1]
And if you think it's gonna be like cool and fun or whatever to be like a cult leader or what have you, and you and people are just gonna believe what you say, whatever it is, car recall or napalm, and just follow you, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
01:01:27 [Speaker 1]
It takes a pretty wild turn when they meet Tyler and Tyler, Tyler and the narrator.
01:01:33 [Speaker 1]
They have the same briefcase or whatever.
01:01:35 [Speaker 1]
Oh, clever guy.
01:01:36 [Speaker 1]
How how's that going for you?

01:01:38 [Speaker 1]
The complete opposite of the energy that Edward Norton gives.
01:01:44 [Speaker 1]
The style, the clothing, the hair, the sunglasses, the whole thing.
01:01:49 [Speaker 1]
And it's interesting too because Edward Norton does have this thing going when they land the plane and the apartment's blown up and shit where the dude at the desk is like, normally it's an electric shaver that's vibrating in there.
01:02:01 [Speaker 1]
We have to check it's not a bomb, but sometimes it's a dildo.
01:02:05 [Speaker 1]
DICK.

01:02:05 [Speaker 1]
And that's part of the genius of this movie and the genius of Fincher.
01:02:10 [Speaker 1]
Every single person, every single line care.
01:02:14 [Speaker 1]
Care and concern.

01:02:15 [Speaker 2]
I love that actor too because he's like a dildo.
01:02:19 [Speaker 2]
Like, the way the way he says it

01:02:21 [Speaker 1]
He looks.
01:02:21 [Speaker 1]
Like a dildo.

01:02:25 [Speaker 2]
For that dude, it's the most exciting part of his day, I'm sure.

01:02:27 [Speaker 1]
Oh, undoubtedly.
01:02:29 [Speaker 1]
When he comes home to the blown up apartment and makes the call to Tyler, and they go and get drinks, and it's more just kinda like Bodie and Point Break.
01:02:39 [Speaker 1]
It's just this guy going on diatribes.

01:02:41 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:02:42 [Speaker 2]
He's a philosopher and he's a

01:02:44 [Speaker 1]
Don't call a duvet a duvet.
01:02:45 [Speaker 1]
You don't even need to know what a duvet is.
01:02:47 [Speaker 1]
It's a blanket.
01:02:48 [Speaker 1]
Just call it a blanket.

01:02:49 [Speaker 2]
But he's magnetic, and he's Yes.
01:02:51 [Speaker 2]
Like, I mean, you know, you want to be around him.
01:02:54 [Speaker 2]
You wanna be him, which I think is the whole point of him.
01:02:57 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:02:57 [Speaker 2]
Right?

01:02:58 [Speaker 2]
For everyone, like, and I even

01:03:00 [Speaker 3]
He's hypnotizing.
01:03:01 [Speaker 3]
There's something about it that as cult leaders tend to have is they have this magnetism

01:03:07 [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

01:03:07 [Speaker 3]
Where people just gravitate towards them and really just do whatever they say.
01:03:13 [Speaker 3]
And that's where the movie goes, is to a point where it's literally just his word.
01:03:19 [Speaker 3]
Even though he doesn't know what he's saying, his word is everything.
01:03:23 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:03:24 [Speaker 1]
The about the duvet thing, it's is there an agreement that a duvet is a blanket?
01:03:29 [Speaker 1]
Would it be nice to just be able to call everything that's essentially a blanket a blanket?
01:03:33 [Speaker 1]
Like, I don't have to call it a snuggy, a comforter, a throw.
01:03:37 [Speaker 1]
Like, like, what he's saying is we're talking about, like, the charisma and the magnetism.
01:03:41 [Speaker 1]
It's like, there's some fucking sense to what you're saying.

01:03:44 [Speaker 1]
I'd rather just not worry about things that feel unimportant, like defining that that's a duvet as opposed to a blanket.
01:03:52 [Speaker 1]
Why are we worried about that?

01:03:53 [Speaker 3]
Well, there there's a theme in the movie as well of, like, all this is made up.
01:03:58 [Speaker 3]
And if you just want to disregard it and play by your own rules, this is what it would look like to an extreme level.

01:04:06 [Speaker 1]
Right.
01:04:06 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:04:07 [Speaker 1]
If you don't wanna participate in the societal experiment, if you're not part of the, we live in a society and you want to essentially you're gonna end up creating potentially like a terrorist cell.
01:04:19 [Speaker 1]
Careful where you tread.
01:04:21 [Speaker 1]
Careful where you tread.

01:04:22 [Speaker 1]
You think you can just go to a nice family movie like Frozen and just let it go and then suddenly a nice big cock.
01:04:31 [Speaker 1]
Grace, God.
01:04:31 [Speaker 1]
And the general shit that they're doing, by the way, where it's like piss soup and whatever.
01:04:37 [Speaker 1]
It's like dude, it's just like you guys, none of this shit is making any sort of difference.
01:04:43 [Speaker 1]
Is there some level of like, is that like the test?

01:04:46 [Speaker 1]
Tyler's like, if these guys will do this, they'll do anything.
01:04:50 [Speaker 1]
Is that part of it?

01:04:50 [Speaker 3]
It's a bit of palanote.
01:04:52 [Speaker 3]
I feel like you have to read his if you read his books, you realize that he he takes an intentional direction sometimes to go to the extra level or just to be just that extra nuance of grossness.

01:05:08 [Speaker 1]
As you're talking about that, there's a level of this that in couple with, like, American History X, there's Edward Norton.
01:05:18 [Speaker 1]
He plays a person that has a fever dream about what an alpha male is, and that person is like a nightmare.
01:05:26 [Speaker 1]
It's a I wonder was there something that just attracted him specifically to those stories?
01:05:31 [Speaker 1]
Because that's in American History x, he at some point becomes what he thinks is so great and has all these followers and believers and all this shit.
01:05:41 [Speaker 1]
And, like, is like, never mind.

01:05:44 [Speaker 1]
This is all awful and toxic, etcetera.
01:05:47 [Speaker 1]
And it's just, like, you know, his two most famous roles seem to have this kind of, like, thing in in common.

01:05:55 [Speaker 2]
You know?
01:05:57 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:05:57 [Speaker 2]
I mean, I think Norton's always kind of had a an interesting choice choices

01:06:01 [Speaker 3]
since

01:06:01 [Speaker 1]
he's

01:06:01 [Speaker 2]
because he's kind of been an indie guy for so long.
01:06:04 [Speaker 2]
You know, maybe not until, like, Incredible Hulk was, like, doing something that was more, I guess, Italian job, but he, like, tried to bury that movie.
01:06:12 [Speaker 2]
He famously, like

01:06:13 [Speaker 1]
Oh, I didn't know that.

01:06:14 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:06:14 [Speaker 2]
He tried to

01:06:15 [Speaker 1]
sue fun movie.

01:06:16 [Speaker 2]
I know.
01:06:16 [Speaker 2]
He tried to sue and, like, get himself his name off the movie.

01:06:20 [Speaker 1]
But it's got

01:06:20 [Speaker 2]
Also been apparently really hard to work with.
01:06:23 [Speaker 2]
So Oh, yeah.
01:06:25 [Speaker 2]
Speaking of Palahniuk and Palahniuk and, like, how his for me, there was a point in my life, it was, like, high school into college, post college where I really got into reading Palanik and Bret Easton Ellis, and I felt like they both kind of cornered this market of pulling apart pieces of society in a very, like, dark and twisted and cynical way with with a lot of, biting sort of satire.
01:06:54 [Speaker 2]
And Palamek here is really I think this is, like, peak maybe because, like, for me, survivor was one of my favorite books.
01:07:01 [Speaker 2]
But I feel like Fight Club is, like, one of his peaks.

01:07:04 [Speaker 2]
And, obviously, I haven't read more of his more recent stuff, but this is yeah.
01:07:09 [Speaker 2]
And that's some of the grossest.
01:07:10 [Speaker 2]
Right.
01:07:10 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:07:11 [Speaker 2]
Like pissing in people's like, kind of taking her to the edge and just just to see, like, where where that line is.

01:07:18 [Speaker 1]
It's reckless dumb teenage kid shit.
01:07:20 [Speaker 1]
And if you can get these adult men with jobs to do this kind of stuff as a group, you can probably get them to do almost anything.
01:07:30 [Speaker 1]
I guess that was the thing I took away from this that I hadn't taken away from it before.
01:07:35 [Speaker 1]
At this point, this is like fight club being born.
01:07:39 [Speaker 1]
We learn more about Paper Street soap and Jack's colon.

01:07:44 [Speaker 1]
And Edward Norton has this moment where he says, I think it's in the narration, I should have been looking for a new condo.
01:07:52 [Speaker 1]
It's like, yeah.
01:07:54 [Speaker 1]
All of this could have been avoided if you had listened to your higher mind for, like, just that one moment.
01:08:00 [Speaker 1]
So much tragedy.
01:08:01 [Speaker 1]
But, baby, I had to move the call back.

01:08:03 [Speaker 1]
But he but

01:08:04 [Speaker 2]
he wanted this.

01:08:05 [Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.
01:08:06 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:08:07 [Speaker 1]
He he wants Tyler to, like, there's a level of he wants Tyler to take over.
01:08:11 [Speaker 1]
He wants the dark half to, like, take the wheel.

01:08:13 [Speaker 3]
What is it more to do?
01:08:15 [Speaker 3]
A downfall.
01:08:16 [Speaker 3]
Like, you're basically starting at the beginning of a downfall, and you watch it just progressively get worse and worse.
01:08:24 [Speaker 3]
But it it is interesting the way they set those characters up so early in the movie with Marla and her role because her role is imperative to how the movie jumps around.
01:08:36 [Speaker 3]
It's a huge part of the movie, and she does an amazing job.

01:08:39 [Speaker 3]
I mean, it's really such a an amazing performance by and I forgot her name.
01:08:43 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:08:43 [Speaker 2]
Carter.
01:08:44 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:08:45 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:08:45 [Speaker 2]
Okay.
01:08:45 [Speaker 2]
I mean, when we get them living together and, like, they talk about, like, their I forget how they describe themselves.

01:08:52 [Speaker 2]
Was n't Harold and Maude, but it was something like that.
01:08:54 [Speaker 2]
I don't know.
01:08:55 [Speaker 2]
But, like,

01:08:55 [Speaker 1]
they're big Felix something.
01:08:57 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:08:57 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:08:57 [Speaker 2]
They're, like, they're, like, really working simpatico, and that leads to, you know, the obvious titular fight club, which is really funny to me to, like, think that these guys who decided to join this club, like, the first few, were just watching a dude beat the shit out of himself.
01:09:15 [Speaker 2]
And that was what drew them into wanting to be part of the club, which is just like it's a different thing than watching two dudes fight.
01:09:24 [Speaker 2]
It it it's it's a weird it's a weird thing to think about.

01:09:28 [Speaker 3]
Because he wasn't selling that you should beat yourself up.
01:09:32 [Speaker 3]
He was on the we he he needed someone else to fight.
01:09:35 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:09:35 [Speaker 3]
You have to wonder how that conversation went.
01:09:37 [Speaker 3]
I couldn't believe sold it to him.

01:09:39 [Speaker 1]
Having someone else to do it for you is easier.
01:09:41 [Speaker 1]
I think I mean, again, this is what I did with the game.
01:09:45 [Speaker 1]
This is what I did with Alien three.
01:09:47 [Speaker 1]
I do this with Fincher movies.
01:09:49 [Speaker 1]
I thought about this as well and those dipshits coming up to him and they're like, what are you doing?

01:09:54 [Speaker 1]
And he's basically like, hey, all life is bullshit.
01:09:58 [Speaker 1]
Society's bullshit.
01:10:00 [Speaker 1]
I'm against society norms.
01:10:01 [Speaker 1]
I'm gonna go into work tomorrow like this and my favorite image of the movie flash my fucking teeth at somebody with blood everywhere because I'm just whatever.
01:10:09 [Speaker 1]
And like, you know what?

01:10:10 [Speaker 1]
If you guys think like me, let's just beat the shit out of each other instead.
01:10:14 [Speaker 1]
And it's like he ran into the, I guess, the right dipshits at the right time.

01:10:18 [Speaker 2]
You don't think In this case?
01:10:20 [Speaker 2]
You don't think he just went liar liar with it and went, I'm kicking my ass.
01:10:24 [Speaker 2]
Do you mind?

01:10:25 [Speaker 1]
The bed is blue.
01:10:28 [Speaker 1]
Smoking.
01:10:29 [Speaker 1]
The old, the old time religion of, the late nineties, early two thousands gentlemen, and the fact that people were actually setting up fight clubs as a result of this movie.

01:10:45 [Speaker 2]
Which is absolutely the wrong lesson to

01:10:48 [Speaker 1]
take from the movie.
01:10:50 [Speaker 1]
Correct.
01:10:50 [Speaker 1]
This is where

01:10:51 [Speaker 2]
to come back to this this, and I think, like, you could maybe throw Joker in there.
01:10:54 [Speaker 2]
Like, these are movies that that some people just don't have the I I thought this

01:10:59 [Speaker 1]
can't read the room.
01:11:00 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:11:00 [Speaker 2]
I thought this when when I went and saw it 28 later where I was like, it's a horror movie.
01:11:04 [Speaker 2]
So horror movies immediately bring in audiences who aren't, for lack of a better word, like like, smart.

01:11:12 [Speaker 1]
Oh, this is a personal thing about me.

01:11:14 [Speaker 2]
That's where I see things just a little differently.
01:11:16 [Speaker 2]
Like, they go in, like, oh, this is a zombie movie.
01:11:18 [Speaker 2]
I'm so excited to see it.
01:11:19 [Speaker 2]
And they're like, what the fuck is this art house shit?

01:11:21 [Speaker 1]
Yes.
01:11:21 [Speaker 1]
I get what you're saying.
01:11:22 [Speaker 1]
Like, they just wanna be entertained.
01:11:24 [Speaker 1]
Like, just entertain me.

01:11:25 [Speaker 2]
And I think that

01:11:25 [Speaker 1]
it's throw shit at me.

01:11:27 [Speaker 2]
If you don't allow this movie to work on you and allow it for you to actually read into the themes, you you will just see it as, oh, it's a cool action movie where dudes beat the shit out of each other.
01:11:38 [Speaker 2]
And that's just not what it is.

01:11:40 [Speaker 3]
Difference from, like, a slice of cheese pizza to a slice of, like, artisan cheese pizza.
01:11:45 [Speaker 3]
Where you, like, know of the difference of the ingredients, and we're, like, oh, this is just pizza.
01:11:49 [Speaker 3]
I like pizza.

01:11:50 [Speaker 1]
One has a yellow movie.
01:11:51 [Speaker 1]
One has yellow cheese on it.
01:11:53 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:11:53 [Speaker 1]
Unacceptable.

01:11:54 [Speaker 3]
On the surface, the name of the movie.
01:11:56 [Speaker 3]
You just it sets the tone.
01:11:58 [Speaker 3]
You think you know what it's about.
01:12:00 [Speaker 3]
And it really goes from in the very beginning part of, like, men, whether intentionally or not, getting therapy from crying with each other to those same exact men getting therapy from fighting each other.

01:12:13 [Speaker 1]
And potentially killing people.
01:12:17 [Speaker 1]
The the idea that they don't seem to understand the potential ramifications of what they're doing, it's wild.
01:12:24 [Speaker 1]
When when Edward Morton loses his tooth and just drops it down the drain and Pitts is one of my favorite lines, even the Mona Lisa's falling apart.
01:12:34 [Speaker 1]
Like, so sorry, pretty boy.
01:12:37 [Speaker 1]
You know?

01:12:38 [Speaker 1]
Happens to all of us.
01:12:39 [Speaker 1]
Who cares?
01:12:39 [Speaker 1]
Doesn't matter.
01:12:41 [Speaker 1]
And that's when Edward Norton drops that down the drain.
01:12:43 [Speaker 1]
I think that's the moment where he takes the dark turn as you were saying, Aaron, where he's like, yeah.

01:12:47 [Speaker 1]
I get I don't give a fuck.
01:12:49 [Speaker 1]
Here I am.
01:12:50 [Speaker 1]
And Marla comes back as the only reliable person in this movie in the end.
01:12:57 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:12:58 [Speaker 1]
And they end

01:12:59 [Speaker 2]
up She has to go through I mean, he treats her so bad.

01:13:02 [Speaker 1]
She goes through hell.

01:13:04 [Speaker 2]
You know?

01:13:04 [Speaker 1]
She's already dealing with whatever she's dealing with.

01:13:08 [Speaker 3]
They deserve that.

01:13:08 [Speaker 1]
This fucking guy comes into her life.
01:13:11 [Speaker 1]
And that's the thing is, man, it's what message do you take from this?
01:13:15 [Speaker 1]
It's hard.

01:13:16 [Speaker 3]
From well, from the beginning, we get the message they are the same person, but not but kind of.
01:13:23 [Speaker 3]
They meet each other in a way of, like, we're doing the same thing.
01:13:26 [Speaker 3]
And then they kinda fall in love, and then he kinda obviously, gets going off a deep end.

01:13:31 [Speaker 2]
I mean, she comes into his actual life when she tries to attempt to sue suicide, which I think is That's right.
01:13:40 [Speaker 2]
I think that in itself, he sure saved her life, but she was, like she she was trying to end it.
01:13:47 [Speaker 2]
And so I think the journey that she goes on is really fascinating and one that I think is a little maybe underexplored.
01:13:57 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:13:58 [Speaker 2]
Which is crazy when this movie is so long, you know.

01:14:00 [Speaker 2]
And it's not about her, and I get that.
01:14:01 [Speaker 2]
Sure.
01:14:02 [Speaker 2]
But I'd love to know more about that character just in general.

01:14:06 [Speaker 1]
It's fascinating that through clumps of this movie, you could almost swear that she might be a projection as well as traffic drives around her at points of the movie and stops for her only when he's with her or is there's only a couple points where it's like, oh, this is not a projection like Tyler is in the end.
01:14:27 [Speaker 1]
But she only seems to find worth or happiness when she's fucking.

01:14:33 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:14:34 [Speaker 1]
Even at the end of the movie or at points in the movie when she's throwing herself at him, and if he doesn't wanna have sex with her even though he's not being outright shitty or what have you in a moment, like, no, I'm just I'm being your friend.
01:14:46 [Speaker 1]
I'm gonna check you from breast cancer.
01:14:48 [Speaker 1]
Bye.
01:14:49 [Speaker 1]
Not in the mood for sex now or whatever it is.
01:14:52 [Speaker 1]
When Edward Norton now, the the tooth is dropped, he's just, like, smoking in the fucking office, does not give a shit.

01:15:02 [Speaker 2]
What's crazy to me about this too is, like, the stuff that the movie doesn't show us, the everything that's happening when he is Tyler and we're not seeing those things, you know.
01:15:14 [Speaker 2]
I mean, obviously, like, the sex, we see, like, this fever dream of sex and then, like, he wakes up and she's in the other room or whatever.
01:15:21 [Speaker 2]
But seeing all these people out in the world who have slowly been turning into the cult and he has clearly interacted with, you know, but that we don't get to see that.
01:15:31 [Speaker 2]
And that to me is, like, that that was his kind of time frame.
01:15:33 [Speaker 2]
Right?

01:15:33 [Speaker 2]
Like, Sixth Sense, American Psycho, like, that's what the a lot of these movies did where they they gave us the the non trustworthy narrator.

01:15:42 [Speaker 1]
Well, and sometimes you get involved in a thing or you do something, it may inspire people and it gets out bigger than you or outside of your control.
01:15:53 [Speaker 1]
It transforms.
01:15:54 [Speaker 1]
It becomes something else.
01:15:56 [Speaker 1]
The ass would cry.
01:15:58 [Speaker 1]
All these guys that join this club, they are becoming these people that are like, if you're not fucking fighting or philosophizing, you are a beta bitch.

01:16:07 [Speaker 1]
That's where we're at.
01:16:07 [Speaker 1]
We're talking about how shitty life is.
01:16:09 [Speaker 1]
We're fighting and we're fucking.
01:16:12 [Speaker 1]
That's it.
01:16:13 [Speaker 1]
It's a little bit it's a little bit thick.

01:16:16 [Speaker 3]
You ever done anything dangerous?

01:16:18 [Speaker 1]
The message of, like, this is not a desirable thing.
01:16:21 [Speaker 1]
And so the idea that people wanted to start their own fight clubs or were taking maybe messages of, like, hyper masculinity from it's, like, no.
01:16:30 [Speaker 1]
None of this seems desirable.
01:16:33 [Speaker 1]
Spicy.

01:16:34 [Speaker 2]
They're getting the shit kicked out of the they're almost doing each other.
01:16:38 [Speaker 2]
There's nothing up like, when I watch it, there's zero there's zero interest.
01:16:42 [Speaker 2]
There's nothing appealing to me.

01:16:44 [Speaker 3]
No.
01:16:44 [Speaker 3]
But they make it seem therapeutic.
01:16:46 [Speaker 3]
There there's dumb it's just funny, like, having those scenes in his in his work, I almost had moments of thinking of the movie The Office of, like, this is like a a a crazy sick version of The Office of, like, what happens.

01:17:04 [Speaker 2]
You mean office space?
01:17:05 [Speaker 2]
Is that what you

01:17:06 [Speaker 1]
mean?
01:17:06 [Speaker 1]
I was gonna say when Dwight just fully Yeah.

01:17:09 [Speaker 3]
Office not not Oh, okay.
01:17:10 [Speaker 3]
Office space.
01:17:11 [Speaker 3]
Sorry.
01:17:12 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:17:12 [Speaker 1]
No.
01:17:12 [Speaker 1]
Fully goes off?
01:17:13 [Speaker 1]
Okay.

01:17:14 [Speaker 2]
No.
01:17:14 [Speaker 2]
But yeah.
01:17:14 [Speaker 2]
That's what I yeah.
01:17:15 [Speaker 2]
That makes total sense because that he does the same he he goes off the deep end in office space for sure.

01:17:20 [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.
01:17:20 [Speaker 1]
It's just in a different way.
01:17:21 [Speaker 1]
You're right.
01:17:21 [Speaker 1]
It's in

01:17:21 [Speaker 3]
a different way.
01:17:22 [Speaker 3]
It's in a different way.

01:17:23 [Speaker 1]
His own apartment and and It

01:17:25 [Speaker 3]
drove him crazy, but his level of crazy.
01:17:27 [Speaker 3]
And again, it's the Palahniuk mind, genius mind writing to go to that level of, like it's just so crazy, but amazing how he sets this narrative and paints this picture where it seems so believable Mhmm.
01:17:41 [Speaker 3]
Where it it leaves out the minutiae of how he sold it to them.
01:17:45 [Speaker 3]
You've already seen it be sold, and he's already preaching the gospel without having, seen the framework.
01:17:52 [Speaker 3]
But once you see that, like, it it's such a great sell because Brad Pitt is such an amazing actor.

01:17:58 [Speaker 3]
He really embodied what really a cult figures do, which is they speak in a cadence and, and their body language and everything about it.

01:18:09 [Speaker 1]
Hit her.

01:18:10 [Speaker 3]
Captivates people.
01:18:12 [Speaker 3]
That's really what he was doing.
01:18:13 [Speaker 3]
He was just captivating people.

01:18:15 [Speaker 1]
You mentioned Tom Cruise earlier.
01:18:16 [Speaker 1]
It's like movie stars, people that know their frame and how they look and how to move and how to use their eyes to get what they want in terms of the camera.
01:18:25 [Speaker 1]
It's, like, takes a very special type of person to do that.

01:18:33 [Speaker 3]
I don't know who else could have been Tyler Durden.

01:18:35 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:18:35 [Speaker 1]
Well, the the movie also this is kind of like one of my earliest introductions to Fincher using in in general.
01:18:44 [Speaker 1]
The camera coming out from garbage cans or products or people's brains or what have and it gets used a lot in panic room, which is not a movie I've seen much.
01:18:54 [Speaker 1]
And some of these camera moves and some of the stuff that's used in this movie feels so groundbreaking.
01:19:01 [Speaker 1]
Like, I'm watching this movie again today, and I'm like, oh, shit.

01:19:04 [Speaker 1]
This, you know, led to as we've talked about a little bit.

01:19:09 [Speaker 2]
I think it is a cornerstone of cinema Yeah.
01:19:13 [Speaker 2]
For for for many reasons.
01:19:15 [Speaker 2]
I if I if I was gonna take some issues with the movie, I think the movie is too long.

01:19:19 [Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.
01:19:20 [Speaker 1]
What?
01:19:21 [Speaker 1]
No.

01:19:22 [Speaker 2]
I think that, like Yeah.

01:19:23 [Speaker 3]
I could see that.
01:19:24 [Speaker 3]
I can easily easily take twenty minutes off.

01:19:26 [Speaker 1]
That's a bit that's that's a lot of movie.
01:19:29 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:19:30 [Speaker 2]
I do think it is a five acts, Paul.
01:19:32 [Speaker 2]
I think you might be right.

01:19:33 [Speaker 1]
He just got new microchip.

01:19:35 [Speaker 2]
It's somewhere in the middle acts where the cult has been growing.
01:19:40 [Speaker 2]
And I I think what's tough again is that we are all know the answer.
01:19:46 [Speaker 2]
And so that once you know the it's like once you know the magic trick, you're like, oh.
01:19:50 [Speaker 2]
Oh, okay.
01:19:51 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

01:19:51 [Speaker 2]
The build up to that point isn't as, like, you know, like, since it's just not as rewatchable.
01:19:57 [Speaker 2]
You know, you you do wanna watch I do like watching this movie again after several years.
01:20:02 [Speaker 2]
I haven't watched it like you, Paul.
01:20:02 [Speaker 2]
I haven't watched movie in, like, fifteen years or something, and I think that's fascinating.
01:20:06 [Speaker 2]
I'm not gonna watch this movie for maybe another fifteen years.

01:20:09 [Speaker 2]
And not because it's bad, but because it's just the I don't have the desire.

01:20:14 [Speaker 1]
It's just a lot.
01:20:15 [Speaker 1]
I was not joking.
01:20:16 [Speaker 1]
I mean, I was joking but not joking, Aaron.
01:20:18 [Speaker 1]
When I you watch this twice in one day.
01:20:20 [Speaker 1]
That's kind of impressive.

01:20:23 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:20:23 [Speaker 2]
To

01:20:23 [Speaker 1]
be honest with you.

01:20:24 [Speaker 3]
I I did it in three part.
01:20:25 [Speaker 3]
So I watched it this morning with you, and then I went home and I did stuff.
01:20:32 [Speaker 3]
And then in the afternoon, I watched about an hour of it.

01:20:35 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:20:36 [Speaker 3]
And then I went into Raymore rooms.
01:20:39 [Speaker 3]
I came home, and I rewatched, like, another forty five minutes of it.
01:20:44 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
01:20:44 [Speaker 3]
And in some ways, I was just looking for things.
01:20:46 [Speaker 3]
Like, I did it very intentionally because I was gonna have this conversation tonight.

01:20:51 [Speaker 3]
I was just curious.

01:20:52 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:20:53 [Speaker 1]
I've watched several movies twice including Somewhere in Time.
01:20:56 [Speaker 1]
So you're don't worry about it.
01:20:58 [Speaker 1]
Again, more than anything, it's a compliment.
01:21:01 [Speaker 1]
When Fincher has the characters, it's almost like sliding doors or noises off all in the house, and Tyler saying don't Brad Pitt saying don't talk about me.

01:21:13 [Speaker 1]
That is some of the best shit in the movie.
01:21:15 [Speaker 1]
It mostly happens in the morning, and I'm forgetting when it happens because this is one of the big stick out moments for me.
01:21:22 [Speaker 1]
It happens in the evening, and it's the first time that it's really hit me that we don't see the burn on Brad Pitt's hand until after Edward Norton has the burn and it's laid in.

01:21:34 [Speaker 2]
And it it's kind of is it in and this is again where I can't disconnect from my knowledge.
01:21:40 [Speaker 2]
Is it implied that they're building that they're making dynamite?

01:21:44 [Speaker 1]
Napalm.
01:21:45 [Speaker 1]
No.
01:21:45 [Speaker 1]
Napalm.
01:21:46 [Speaker 1]
Is that Or nitroglycerin.
01:21:47 [Speaker 1]
Yes.

01:21:48 [Speaker 2]
At this point, I think it is.
01:21:51 [Speaker 2]
Know

01:21:52 [Speaker 3]
that?
01:21:52 [Speaker 3]
Maybe.
01:21:53 [Speaker 3]
I mean, you know, making soap, I think, starts to obviously become a cover up for making things in tubs because you make bombs in tubs too, homemade bombs.
01:22:04 [Speaker 3]
But I don't know because it's hard it's hard with, like, what you said earlier.
01:22:08 [Speaker 3]
When you know how the sausage is made at the end, it's hard to disconnect.

01:22:13 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:22:14 [Speaker 3]
You just kinda know where it's going.
01:22:16 [Speaker 3]
It's it becomes very apparent.
01:22:18 [Speaker 3]
And and if it isn't by then, like, that should start to paint a picture that there's some bigger stuff going on.
01:22:25 [Speaker 3]
It depends how pay how much you pay attention.

01:22:27 [Speaker 3]
To some people, this is a movie.
01:22:29 [Speaker 3]
You have to pay a lot of attention the whole time.
01:22:31 [Speaker 3]
You can't be really on your phone or having a conversation.
01:22:35 [Speaker 3]
You'll miss something.
01:22:36 [Speaker 3]
And that's why I wanted to watch it again today.

01:22:37 [Speaker 3]
I was like, I just wanna cat because, admittedly, I was on my phone here and there this morning, but I was trying to be engaged.
01:22:44 [Speaker 3]
But Mhmm.
01:22:44 [Speaker 3]
Having it in my ears, I was almost, like, listening to movies sometimes or even watching it at times.
01:22:50 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
01:22:51 [Speaker 3]
But I still was able to get a couple things I didn't catch this morning.

01:22:55 [Speaker 3]
It's one of those movies you just have to really be paying a lot of attention because there's so many little tidbits and, Easter eggs.

01:23:02 [Speaker 1]
I don't disagree with you.
01:23:04 [Speaker 1]
I'm just not as motivated to do it as you are.
01:23:07 [Speaker 1]
It's, like, it's not, it's not that it's bad.
01:23:09 [Speaker 1]
It's just as as you said, it's, like, twenty minutes could go away and would be an easier, more maybe more pleasant experience.
01:23:18 [Speaker 1]
I'm still, like, pretty fully invested at this point.

01:23:22 [Speaker 1]
Brad Pitt is preaching to everybody.
01:23:24 [Speaker 1]
This is where it really hits me.
01:23:26 [Speaker 1]
Jared Leto is oh, he's there.
01:23:29 [Speaker 1]
Great.
01:23:29 [Speaker 1]
Right.

01:23:30 [Speaker 1]
Forgot.
01:23:32 [Speaker 1]
And the punching that Brad Pitt gets from Lou, it's my fucking tavern.
01:23:38 [Speaker 1]
It's fucking brutal.
01:23:40 [Speaker 1]
The sound is brutal, and the blood on his face looks black.
01:23:44 [Speaker 1]
It's pretty horrifying depending on what you've been exposed to or what you find horrifying.

01:23:51 [Speaker 1]
Objectively, it is.
01:23:53 [Speaker 1]
This is where montages kind of start a little bit, and it's a two hour and twenty minute movie that uses montages at times to close time, and they're so necessary.

01:24:06 [Speaker 3]
Figuratively and literally, it feels like there's a a currency of blood in the movie.
01:24:15 [Speaker 3]
Oh.
01:24:16 [Speaker 3]
That was how Tyler Durden got Lou to agree.
01:24:19 [Speaker 3]
He's like, I will bleed to a point to almost obviously kind of intimidate and scare him too.
01:24:26 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:24:27 [Speaker 3]
But I made this comment this morning.
01:24:28 [Speaker 3]
I noticed how there one thing that the male masculinity, especially in today's times, that isn't in the movie is there's not betting on the fighting.
01:24:36 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:24:37 [Speaker 3]
It's just for it's just for the purity of the physicality of receiving Yeah.
01:24:43 [Speaker 3]
And bleeding.

01:24:44 [Speaker 3]
Right?
01:24:44 [Speaker 3]
The blood.
01:24:45 [Speaker 3]
Like, honestly, it was therapeutic when they would be bloody, and that was what they wanted.
01:24:49 [Speaker 3]
That was what they're going there for.
01:24:51 [Speaker 3]
That's what really gave them was the payoff.

01:24:53 [Speaker 1]
The boy that is Yeah.
01:24:55 [Speaker 1]
Fine.
01:24:55 [Speaker 1]
But you fuck that bullshit.
01:24:57 [Speaker 1]
I could put money down at the Kumite.

01:24:59 [Speaker 2]
I saw Tyson Beach Springs

01:25:00 [Speaker 1]
on TV.
01:25:01 [Speaker 1]
That's the blood sport, dawg.

01:25:03 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:25:03 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:25:04 [Speaker 1]
And then everybody's betting fucking Frank Duke's total fraud.
01:25:08 [Speaker 1]
He did that in his own mind, and then they said it was a true story.
01:25:11 [Speaker 1]
It's great.
01:25:12 [Speaker 1]
I love you, my friend.
01:25:14 [Speaker 1]
The boss meeting that Edward Norton has now and the self beating that he does

01:25:21 [Speaker 3]
Genius.

01:25:22 [Speaker 1]
Incredible.
01:25:23 [Speaker 1]
I absolutely love it.
01:25:25 [Speaker 1]
And when he says we now have corporate sponsorship, it is so when they wheel him out and he's talking about how he's gonna frame his boss and everything, it's fucking great.
01:25:37 [Speaker 1]
The Tyler Durden pissed in the soup at the Pressman Hotel and then sued them for the urine content of their soup.
01:25:43 [Speaker 1]
Like, it sounds like a Cosmo Kramer, Jackie Chiles lawsuit from fucking Seinfeld or something

01:25:49 [Speaker 3]
like that.
01:25:50 [Speaker 3]
Who

01:25:51 [Speaker 1]
takes that?
01:25:51 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:25:51 [Speaker 1]
Exactly.
01:25:52 [Speaker 1]
Helena Kuehmer.
01:25:53 [Speaker 1]
Yes.

01:25:53 [Speaker 3]
Like, he is he takes pride in being almost nerdy with how, in detail, he can come up with some of these scenarios.

01:26:02 [Speaker 2]
Hey, Jerry.
01:26:03 [Speaker 2]
I I got this I got this plan, Jerry.
01:26:07 [Speaker 2]
I got this job at a hotel.

01:26:08 [Speaker 1]
This coffee burned me.
01:26:10 [Speaker 1]
What was the other one?
01:26:11 [Speaker 1]
Some oh, shit.
01:26:12 [Speaker 1]
I don't know.
01:26:12 [Speaker 1]
He's got a few of them.

01:26:13 [Speaker 3]
The brochure.

01:26:15 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:26:15 [Speaker 1]
Against the O'Henry candy company, and I don't remember all

01:26:19 [Speaker 3]
of it.

01:26:19 [Speaker 1]
But the scene where Tyler takes Raymond outside and, like, blesses Raymond with a a second lease on life after threatening to kill him, he says, let that that does not matter truly slide.
01:26:37 [Speaker 1]
And gets him to go back to school and all this stuff.
01:26:41 [Speaker 1]
The movie does at times, like, pretty effectively present him as like a like a folk hero.

01:26:46 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:26:47 [Speaker 1]
In a really, like, a fucked up way, but it absolutely does.
01:26:52 [Speaker 1]
And we get I think what is maybe the best scene with Helena Bonham Carter where they're talking about is she happy and and weakness versus strength.

01:27:03 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:27:04 [Speaker 1]
I think that's really good.

01:27:06 [Speaker 2]
I think where the movie really bogs, at least for me, it bogs down is, like, I understand why it's leading into the Jared Leto and the Meatloaf and, like, these, like, cults and, like, building up these, like, soldier boys.
01:27:21 [Speaker 2]
I don't know if I I don't know if I need so much of that, and I feel like there's a lot of it in the middle of the movie.
01:27:28 [Speaker 2]
At a certain point, I'm like, let's get to the reveal.
01:27:31 [Speaker 2]
Let's get to him realizing what's happening, and then let's get to the the the final climax.

01:27:37 [Speaker 3]
Let's go.

01:27:38 [Speaker 2]
The showdown.
01:27:38 [Speaker 2]
Their showdown.

01:27:39 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:27:39 [Speaker 1]
I don't don't show me missus Bezos.
01:27:43 [Speaker 1]
I don't wanna see her.
01:27:44 [Speaker 1]
And then there she is, renting all of Italy and my time watching fight club, fucking just jumping my fucking log line, fucking shows up in this movie.
01:27:57 [Speaker 1]
I'm very sad about that.

01:28:00 [Speaker 1]
But the this is also, like, where the movie starts to slow down a little for me too when and I love a montage.
01:28:06 [Speaker 1]
I like Rocky four people.
01:28:08 [Speaker 1]
But the movie starts to rely on on montages that are good.
01:28:13 [Speaker 1]
It's not that I dislike the montages, but it's exactly what you just said, Ben.
01:28:17 [Speaker 1]
And something Aaron said earlier, oh, if you can he said, if you can remove that you know, and I told him kinda what I said about Friday the thirteenth, I can't.

01:28:27 [Speaker 1]
Cat's out of the bag as Ben says.
01:28:29 [Speaker 1]
Like, it diminishes the rewatch value for me as great as this movie is.
01:28:34 [Speaker 1]
Because Ben, you're making a lot of good points too.
01:28:36 [Speaker 1]
You both are that, you know, this is a a pillar of cinema.
01:28:40 [Speaker 1]
But we've been talking about this movie for a bit now, like on this side of the podcast.

01:28:46 [Speaker 1]
And we're about halfway through it.
01:28:49 [Speaker 1]
And there's so much that we've missed.
01:28:51 [Speaker 1]
And that's the thing is it's just too fucking dense.

01:28:55 [Speaker 2]
Well, because to me, it's like, I I just I wanna get to their show.
01:28:58 [Speaker 2]
I want him to get to the realization.
01:29:00 [Speaker 2]
I want them to show us, six sun style, all of the moments that were not two people and just one person.
01:29:07 [Speaker 2]
And then I need to have them have that identity crisis showdown.
01:29:11 [Speaker 2]
That's when the movie clicks back for me.

01:29:12 [Speaker 2]
It's like, great.
01:29:14 [Speaker 2]
Now we're really at some conflict.

01:29:16 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:29:16 [Speaker 3]
Well, here comes a conclusion.
01:29:17 [Speaker 3]
Because there's a point in where you're like, this is gonna be almost two hours, and you're and you're right.
01:29:23 [Speaker 3]
And you're like and I'm and we're not there yet.
01:29:27 [Speaker 3]
You really have to be invested, but at that point in the movie, you're you gotta be all in, quite frankly.

01:29:32 [Speaker 3]
If you get to an hour and forty five minutes, you really wanna finish and see what happens.
01:29:36 [Speaker 3]
Because it has been especially if it's your first time, even if you know that it's a, split personality, you still don't know if you haven't seen the full movie.
01:29:46 [Speaker 3]
And there's something about I guess just like it dawned on me this morning.
01:29:48 [Speaker 3]
Like, it's a long movie for sure, but you're invested.
01:29:52 [Speaker 3]
And I guess that's just how I would wrap it up of, like

01:29:55 [Speaker 1]
You were invested.
01:29:56 [Speaker 1]
I felt Not everyone, but you.
01:29:59 [Speaker 1]
If you're if

01:30:00 [Speaker 3]
you're not invested, I can understand how you it can start to lose you there, but it's it's kind of, like, with the Palomuk theme.
01:30:08 [Speaker 3]
Like, it's really painting a picture.
01:30:10 [Speaker 3]
It's it's giving you more detail of certain characters and some not.
01:30:14 [Speaker 3]
I feel like I with I wish we saw more of Martha's timeline and story than Meatloaf, but Bob, you know, that's just kinda the way the director took it.

01:30:25 [Speaker 1]
I think they're both great.
01:30:26 [Speaker 1]
I actually I love this moment where Tyler, the, you know, Edward Norton, like, gets jealous of himself that Tyler kind of shines a light on the Jared Leto character for a moment.
01:30:40 [Speaker 1]
And inspires Edward Norton inspires himself to disfigure Jared Leto permanently because he was after he referred to himself earlier in the movie as the Mona Lisa.
01:30:53 [Speaker 1]
And now that he's feeling not as pretty and now this very pretty guy showed up and where he says I wanted to destroy something beautiful, is kind of a great line.
01:31:03 [Speaker 1]
I guess that's there's something about a Palahniuk movie is we're talking about the movie and the book and these two artists are speaking a similar language.

01:31:12 [Speaker 1]
There are things about a lot of these things that get tiring.
01:31:14 [Speaker 1]
It's like I read damned not too long ago and it's like, it's not that I dislike it.
01:31:18 [Speaker 1]
It's a really good book.
01:31:19 [Speaker 1]
It's extremely descriptive as all Palahniuk books are.
01:31:23 [Speaker 1]
I'm feeling tired and maybe and again, I we've talked about this before.

01:31:27 [Speaker 1]
It might be the mission of the movie to be like, oh my god, this is just so fucking much.
01:31:33 [Speaker 1]
And by the time they're in this limo, and they justify, it's kinda great where Tyler as Norton and Pitt says to the two guys in the back of the limo, don't fucking talk.
01:31:46 [Speaker 1]
Shut up.
01:31:46 [Speaker 1]
Whatever happens.
01:31:47 [Speaker 1]
And so as he's screaming at himself, these two guys aren't allowed to intervene, even though this person in the front looks crazy.

01:31:55 [Speaker 1]
And they've all been told, like, don't question at all.
01:31:58 [Speaker 1]
And it takes him going into a coma, and literally following asleep for God knows how long.
01:32:04 [Speaker 1]
Tyler telling Tyler Pitt telling Norton what the post apocalyptic world is gonna be like that they're gonna create during this coma.
01:32:14 [Speaker 1]
And that's what makes Tyler go away, at least for a while.
01:32:18 [Speaker 1]
It's just getting a lot of fucking rest.

01:32:22 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:32:23 [Speaker 2]
This is him wrestling with this is just him wrestling with the I guess, I do have question about their their there's, like, they're destroying all of the the plan is

01:32:38 [Speaker 1]
It's a network of evil Edward Norton seeing a network, like, mirrors of his evil self, the evil his evil half.
01:32:46 [Speaker 1]
It's just Mhmm.
01:32:47 [Speaker 1]
There's an army of them.

01:32:49 [Speaker 2]
And they're going to blow up all of these skyscrapers.

01:32:53 [Speaker 1]
Credit card companies in the

01:32:54 [Speaker 3]
Or yeah.
01:32:55 [Speaker 3]
Corporate corporate headquarters.

01:32:57 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:32:57 [Speaker 3]
It's kinda like taking out the man.
01:33:00 [Speaker 3]
Like and Yeah.
01:33:01 [Speaker 3]
The the idea was erasing everyone's debt so everyone goes back to zero.

01:33:05 [Speaker 1]
Which at that time, kinda because they'd have servers on-site.
01:33:10 [Speaker 1]
Right?
01:33:10 [Speaker 1]
So wouldn't Okay.

01:33:12 [Speaker 2]
So so so I guess, like, their their intentions are moral.

01:33:19 [Speaker 1]
Yes and no.
01:33:19 [Speaker 1]
I mean, it would throw the world into a level of fucking chaos.
01:33:24 [Speaker 1]
Their intentions it's one of those things the world doesn't go around based on anyone's good intentions.
01:33:29 [Speaker 1]
Maybe these people had the right or they had intentions that had a good target, but the methodology is fucking insane.

01:33:36 [Speaker 3]
But they're not Robinhood, and they're not in tights.
01:33:39 [Speaker 3]
I mean, both are true.

01:33:41 [Speaker 1]
Tight tights?
01:33:42 [Speaker 1]
Right.
01:33:42 [Speaker 1]
Okay.

01:33:43 [Speaker 2]
So that there

01:33:44 [Speaker 3]
I see your point, Ben, where there's, like, is there some some valor in this or, like, some

01:33:48 [Speaker 1]
Sure.

01:33:49 [Speaker 3]
They're trying to stick it to the man or, like, help the common man or Mhmm.
01:33:54 [Speaker 3]
But I feel like that's it's kind of a lot with the movie and how Paliniuk writes as well with how Fincher kind of interpret it, which is it's leaving it up to your discretion and your desertion.
01:34:04 [Speaker 3]
It's kind of like theater of the mind where you can kinda go down rabbit holes and, like, have your opinion about it.
01:34:10 [Speaker 3]
It could be one or the other or neither.
01:34:12 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:34:13 [Speaker 3]
With that idea, it was really just anarchy.
01:34:17 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:34:17 [Speaker 3]
Right.
01:34:18 [Speaker 3]
In the same way with the that song by the Pixies Mhmm.
01:34:21 [Speaker 3]
Forever is seared into my mind.

01:34:25 [Speaker 3]
I hear that song.
01:34:26 [Speaker 3]
I see the buildings blowing up.

01:34:29 [Speaker 2]
That cinema that cinema history is that shot for sure.

01:34:31 [Speaker 1]
Oh, it's great.

01:34:32 [Speaker 3]
With that with that song.
01:34:33 [Speaker 3]
Like, that shot and that

01:34:34 [Speaker 1]
song It's very specific.
01:34:35 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:34:36 [Speaker 3]
Are so specific.

01:34:37 [Speaker 1]
The music in this movie is so important to the movie.
01:34:41 [Speaker 1]
When when Bob is killed and we're talking about fever dreams and putting things together, Bob who has no balls, a ball is released by this group that ends up leading to Mhmm.
01:34:55 [Speaker 1]
Bob's death.
01:34:56 [Speaker 1]
Where it's like, you know, Bob Paul, you know, lets his his testosterone loose, his ultimate male side with these guys, and it fucking gets him killed.
01:35:06 [Speaker 1]
And they Mhmm.

01:35:07 [Speaker 1]
Bury him in the fucking yard.
01:35:09 [Speaker 1]
And this is Like

01:35:10 [Speaker 3]
a cat.

01:35:11 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:35:12 [Speaker 1]
Another

01:35:13 [Speaker 3]
Like a household.
01:35:14 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

01:35:15 [Speaker 1]
The flight coupons and the Edward Norton going through and piecing together, Ben's wiping his eyes a little bit.
01:35:22 [Speaker 1]
Like, yeah.
01:35:23 [Speaker 1]
Like, dude, I know what you're gonna find out.
01:35:26 [Speaker 1]
Just I you're gonna visit these bars, you're gonna meet these people, you're gonna meet a dude with a, you know, head cage thing because he had a broken neck or some shit.
01:35:36 [Speaker 1]
I know all this.

01:35:39 [Speaker 1]
Just get there.

01:35:40 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:35:40 [Speaker 3]
There's something about the the level of cultiness that I don't think would have translated if they tried to cut ten, fifteen minutes out of that part of the movie.
01:35:53 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:35:53 [Speaker 2]
Same idea.

01:35:54 [Speaker 3]
Might have felt a little contrived or a little a lot of it is already asking you to believe a lot or just, like, trust them.
01:36:01 [Speaker 3]
You know what I mean?
01:36:02 [Speaker 3]
Or that the house how could they believe in this club?
01:36:05 [Speaker 3]
Like, you you just kind of, like, trust that they've been brainwashed.
01:36:09 [Speaker 3]
It really lays of, like, tire of how Tyler turned them into not their own.

01:36:17 [Speaker 3]
It just what's another example of where they say, the walking dead, right, where they all say they're the same person?
01:36:26 [Speaker 3]
I am

01:36:26 [Speaker 1]
I don't know.
01:36:27 [Speaker 1]
Then

01:36:29 [Speaker 3]
the guy with the with the the bat.
01:36:31 [Speaker 3]
There's a similar

01:36:32 [Speaker 1]
a Negan.
01:36:33 [Speaker 1]
Whatever.

01:36:33 [Speaker 2]
Negan.
01:36:34 [Speaker 2]
I

01:36:34 [Speaker 3]
am Negan.
01:36:35 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:36:35 [Speaker 3]
So so in that movie, there's in that show, excuse me, they they have the similar thing where they they all are the same person.
01:36:42 [Speaker 3]
And it almost kinda feels like that too.
01:36:44 [Speaker 3]
Like We're

01:36:44 [Speaker 1]
all human in the end.
01:36:45 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:36:46 [Speaker 1]
Right.

01:36:46 [Speaker 3]
Right.
01:36:46 [Speaker 3]
And how they all portrayed, you know, we're all what's his name, the dead guy?

01:36:53 [Speaker 1]
Rick.
01:36:53 [Speaker 1]
I don't know.

01:36:54 [Speaker 3]
No.
01:36:54 [Speaker 3]
No.
01:36:55 [Speaker 3]
No.

01:36:55 [Speaker 1]
It could be anybody.
01:36:56 [Speaker 1]
It was

01:36:56 [Speaker 3]
a cult.

01:36:57 [Speaker 1]
Shane, Stinky Boy.

01:36:59 [Speaker 3]
In the movie.

01:37:00 [Speaker 1]
Ted Danson?

01:37:01 [Speaker 2]
Wait.
01:37:02 [Speaker 2]
In this movie?

01:37:03 [Speaker 3]
In this movie.

01:37:04 [Speaker 1]
Oh, Bob Paul.
01:37:06 [Speaker 1]
Bob Paul

01:37:07 [Speaker 2]
is the dead guy.
01:37:08 [Speaker 2]
Robert Paul.
01:37:09 [Speaker 2]
Paul Paulson?

01:37:09 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:37:10 [Speaker 3]
I am Robert.
01:37:10 [Speaker 3]
That made me think of we are Negan.
01:37:12 [Speaker 3]
I am Negan.
01:37:13 [Speaker 3]
Oh, okay.

01:37:13 [Speaker 1]
Well, yeah, they may have taken some of that It

01:37:15 [Speaker 3]
it feels the same where where it's like they all are kind of, assuming, you know, this, this identity, this uniform this uniformed identity.

01:37:25 [Speaker 1]
Well, Marla, as you said, the uniformed identities, Marla at lunch that she doesn't wanna be having with Tyler sums it up immediately in a moment perfectly.
01:37:35 [Speaker 1]
You're doctor Jekyll and mister Jackass.

01:37:38 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:37:38 [Speaker 1]
You're you're this person and you're this person.
01:37:41 [Speaker 1]
One seems okay and the other one's fucking terrible.
01:37:43 [Speaker 1]
And this is kind of his moment of redemption as we're walking into the last act of the movie when Norton is like, I'm really sorry.
01:37:49 [Speaker 1]
I'm a psycho.
01:37:51 [Speaker 1]
Admit some shit and she's like, well, yeah.

01:37:53 [Speaker 1]
This lunch is your fucking asshole tax.
01:37:55 [Speaker 1]
And she still wants to escape him, and the escape is literally getting taken hostage the moment she steps onto a bus that he stops for her.
01:38:04 [Speaker 1]
Taken hostage immediately.
01:38:06 [Speaker 1]
Edward Norton is now telling the cops everything and trying to bring this whole plan down before they can destroy these skyscrapers.
01:38:14 [Speaker 1]
Brad Pitt shows back up and goes rogue.

01:38:17 [Speaker 1]
He's transferring in and out of buildings and shit and being shot at and revealing nitroglycerin bombs.
01:38:23 [Speaker 1]
Brad Pitt's like, all our people are out of the buildings.
01:38:26 [Speaker 1]
No security, no maintenance, no cleaning people.
01:38:29 [Speaker 1]
None of the people that cook your meals, that tuck you in at night, etcetera.
01:38:34 [Speaker 1]
These people are all safe.

01:38:35 [Speaker 1]
So the important people are gone.
01:38:36 [Speaker 1]
Don't worry about it.

01:38:37 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:38:38 [Speaker 2]
They they they should have done that in Return of the Jedi too.
01:38:41 [Speaker 2]
Sure.
01:38:42 [Speaker 2]
It's like it's the clerk's argument.
01:38:44 [Speaker 2]
Right?

01:38:44 [Speaker 2]
Like, all of the construction workers that were work the welders that were working on the Death Star.

01:38:48 [Speaker 3]
Somehow Palpatine.

01:38:50 [Speaker 1]
Or folks on Alderaan if you yeah.
01:38:52 [Speaker 1]
However you wanna look at it.

01:38:53 [Speaker 2]
No.
01:38:53 [Speaker 2]
But, like, the rebels taking out the Death Star.

01:38:55 [Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.
01:38:56 [Speaker 1]
Some of those people were yeah.

01:38:58 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:38:58 [Speaker 3]
Just people.
01:38:59 [Speaker 3]
You work on the Death Star.
01:39:00 [Speaker 3]
It's it's a death wish.
01:39:01 [Speaker 3]
You know?

01:39:02 [Speaker 2]
Sure.
01:39:03 [Speaker 2]
But That's me.
01:39:03 [Speaker 2]
I mean, Clerks has the whole argument.
01:39:05 [Speaker 2]
Right?
01:39:05 [Speaker 2]
Where it's like they're rebuilding it.

01:39:06 [Speaker 2]
It's like surely some of these were just like independent contractors that they brought into, like, put in some glass You

01:39:11 [Speaker 1]
shouldn't have been working for the fucking empire, dog.

01:39:14 [Speaker 2]
Everyone had to work for the empire.
01:39:15 [Speaker 2]
That was the government.
01:39:16 [Speaker 2]
They don't have a choice.

01:39:17 [Speaker 1]
I I get it.
01:39:18 [Speaker 1]
I get it.
01:39:20 [Speaker 1]
I'm a rebel at heart, I guess.
01:39:21 [Speaker 1]
But You're

01:39:21 [Speaker 2]
just a welder and you get a gig.
01:39:23 [Speaker 2]
You're like, well, I gotta take this fucking I

01:39:24 [Speaker 1]
got a gig.
01:39:25 [Speaker 1]
I need the contract.

01:39:26 [Speaker 3]
Sure.
01:39:26 [Speaker 3]
All Robert Paul.

01:39:27 [Speaker 1]
Yutani sounds good.
01:39:28 [Speaker 1]
The All Robert Paul.
01:39:30 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:39:30 [Speaker 1]
So we go back to the beginning of the movie.
01:39:33 [Speaker 1]
Edward Norton's got a gun in his mouth, and he does kind of this nightmare on Elm Street kind of realization where he's like, you're not real, and it takes the power away from the projection.

01:39:44 [Speaker 1]
And it's kinda cool, the statement of the power of the mind, that Edward Norton, I think, in that moment, thinks he's probably killed himself.

01:39:53 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

01:39:53 [Speaker 1]
And he was so sure he killed himself that it was powerful enough to kill Brad Pitt, the projection.

01:39:59 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:40:00 [Speaker 2]
Now he the question is, was he trying to kill himself?

01:40:03 [Speaker 1]
Oh, I don't know.

01:40:05 [Speaker 2]
Because there's no way he would know.
01:40:07 [Speaker 2]
May maybe there is a way he'd know because it's him, but I don't know.

01:40:11 [Speaker 1]
I think he believed he he had killed himself when he fired that gun, and that's how Tyler ends up dying.

01:40:17 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:40:17 [Speaker 3]
It it might have been a moment of clarity when he saw Tyler die, so to say, and realized that he wasn't dead.
01:40:26 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
01:40:26 [Speaker 3]
Because he almost seemed ho like, oh, yeah.
01:40:30 [Speaker 3]
It's just a flesh wound.

01:40:31 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
01:40:31 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:40:32 [Speaker 3]
That's I when that happened, I was like, oh, yeah.
01:40:36 [Speaker 3]
How is he not, like, dead?
01:40:38 [Speaker 3]
But that's the whole point, Paul, you're making of, like, that's how projection died is because he thought he was dead.

01:40:45 [Speaker 3]
It it makes it it does make perfect sense.

01:40:48 [Speaker 1]
There's a level of it adding Feed of the mind.
01:40:50 [Speaker 1]
And and the thing is in terms of Edward Norton, of course, he sounds relieved.
01:40:54 [Speaker 1]
Do you know how long he waited in the log line?
01:40:57 [Speaker 1]
Two hours and twenty minutes.

01:40:58 [Speaker 2]
That's a long log log.
01:41:00 [Speaker 2]
That's a long log log.
01:41:00 [Speaker 2]
For

01:41:01 [Speaker 1]
a fucking guy.

01:41:02 [Speaker 3]
Guys, load it off.

01:41:03 [Speaker 2]
Episode is brought to you by very long log lines.
01:41:05 [Speaker 2]
Very very long log log log longs.

01:41:07 [Speaker 3]
Long

01:41:08 [Speaker 1]
Very long log lines.
01:41:09 [Speaker 1]
Very long log lines.
01:41:10 [Speaker 1]
Very long log lines.
01:41:11 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:41:12 [Speaker 1]
You'll we can get there.

01:41:14 [Speaker 2]
It'll get you you'll get there,

01:41:15 [Speaker 1]
baby.
01:41:16 [Speaker 1]
Bumpers.
01:41:17 [Speaker 1]
We've Okay.
01:41:17 [Speaker 1]
We've reached the end of this movie.
01:41:20 [Speaker 1]
We missed a lot.

01:41:22 [Speaker 1]
There's no way in a podcast that's under four hours could you go over this entire film.
01:41:27 [Speaker 1]
No.
01:41:28 [Speaker 1]
Ben Yeah.
01:41:29 [Speaker 1]
You were first

01:41:30 [Speaker 2]
I started off off, didn't I?
01:41:32 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:41:33 [Speaker 2]
I still feel pretty solid with my four.
01:41:35 [Speaker 2]
I think my four bowls of pissed clam chowder is that the red or the white?
01:41:43 [Speaker 2]
The white.

01:41:43 [Speaker 1]
I I

01:41:44 [Speaker 2]
feel like that's still where I sit.
01:41:47 [Speaker 2]
I see merit.
01:41:48 [Speaker 2]
I I I do see why some people might give this a five.
01:41:51 [Speaker 2]
I like, I I'm not gonna disagree with that.
01:41:53 [Speaker 2]
I could also see why someone might give this a three or a three and a half.

01:41:57 [Speaker 2]
I would argue to bring them up for a lot of reasons, but I think four is four is where I'm gonna sit.
01:42:04 [Speaker 2]
And, really glad I got to watch this movie again.
01:42:06 [Speaker 2]
It's been a while, but I probably won't probably won't hit it for a few I'm not gonna watch it again.

01:42:11 [Speaker 4]
Been a while.

01:42:13 [Speaker 2]
Not not right now.
01:42:14 [Speaker 2]
What are you, Aaron?

01:42:17 [Speaker 3]
I would say about the same from where I started.
01:42:20 [Speaker 3]
I mean

01:42:20 [Speaker 1]
Silla five.

01:42:22 [Speaker 3]
Scylla five.
01:42:23 [Speaker 3]
It's a mix because of my fandom for Palanook.

01:42:26 [Speaker 2]
And I

01:42:26 [Speaker 3]
feel like if you don't know his style of writing and you're not a fan of his books, I could easily see someone giving this a two or a three if it just is too much for them or it's over their head or through their head, and they just don't like how it made their head feel.
01:42:42 [Speaker 3]
Because it is a lot.
01:42:43 [Speaker 3]
It it it's kind of touches on some some hot topics and some things that kinda have to make you think or make you feel maybe uncomfortable.
01:42:52 [Speaker 3]
I enjoy that in cinema, and I feel like this movie really was groundbreaking for the time.
01:42:58 [Speaker 3]
And given the context of our life today and and the world, in some ways, how much it hasn't changed, I was amazed how still visible of Krispy Kreme and Starbucks and Pepsi Yeah.

01:43:10 [Speaker 3]
Are today.
01:43:10 [Speaker 3]
And they're so visible in this movie.
01:43:12 [Speaker 3]
It it didn't feel outdated with some of those,

01:43:16 [Speaker 1]
Some brands are too big to fail, man.

01:43:18 [Speaker 3]
Very yeah.
01:43:19 [Speaker 3]
Honorable.
01:43:19 [Speaker 3]
Yep.
01:43:20 [Speaker 3]
Sure.
01:43:20 [Speaker 3]
But some some movies that are not that much older than this movie feel probably really dated with some of them, you know, but not

01:43:27 [Speaker 1]
too far.
01:43:28 [Speaker 1]
Would this have been?

01:43:31 [Speaker 3]
A handful.

01:43:32 [Speaker 1]
A lot of quibbies.

01:43:33 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:43:33 [Speaker 2]
The quibbies.
01:43:34 [Speaker 2]
The corporate stuff still really was like, oh, yeah.
01:43:37 [Speaker 2]
That's still today.

01:43:38 [Speaker 1]
Dude, the consumer the, like, you're a consumer or you're a non consumer.
01:43:43 [Speaker 1]
You're you're either yeah.
01:43:44 [Speaker 1]
You're one or the other.
01:43:46 [Speaker 1]
A lot of things resonate.

01:43:47 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
01:43:48 [Speaker 3]
That I would stick with my score.

01:43:51 [Speaker 1]
Boy, it all hinges on me.
01:43:53 [Speaker 1]
I really enjoyed talking about this, but it was also tiring as fuck.
01:43:59 [Speaker 1]
Just like the movie was kind of tiring as fuck.
01:44:02 [Speaker 1]
It's a really fucking special movie, especially if you can go, I take 30 different things from this movie, and it's a lightning rod for conversation and thought, and not go, you know what I should do?
01:44:14 [Speaker 1]
Start a fight club, punch my dad.

01:44:17 [Speaker 1]
Maybe that's not meh, because I don't think the movie is trying to give you that message.
01:44:21 [Speaker 1]
I can see why you'd get it, but I don't think that's the point.
01:44:25 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:44:26 [Speaker 1]
So it's interesting.
01:44:28 [Speaker 1]
It's a little, I think, intentionally haphazard in a cool way, but don't give the human race too much credit.

01:44:35 [Speaker 1]
We see what happens.
01:44:36 [Speaker 1]
People created fight clubs.
01:44:39 [Speaker 1]
And then this podcast happened.
01:44:41 [Speaker 1]
We can only go down from here.
01:44:43 [Speaker 1]
So up from here?

01:44:45 [Speaker 1]
I'm gonna stick with the four Hovatrix.
01:44:47 [Speaker 1]
It's beautiful.
01:44:49 [Speaker 1]
I can go over a million technical aspects of the movie.
01:44:53 [Speaker 1]
I think I'm just at a four because the movie's a little bit on the doing too much countdown.
01:44:59 [Speaker 1]
And that that is a credit to the movie in a way because the book is also so fucking dense, and the movie making decisions that aren't involved with the book, it wants to lay the ground.

01:45:08 [Speaker 1]
It always wants to do the work.
01:45:10 [Speaker 1]
There's a lot of care, and it's so so visible throughout the movie.
01:45:16 [Speaker 1]
It's really, really great.
01:45:18 [Speaker 1]
Tiring, tiring conversation, but it's great.
01:45:21 [Speaker 1]
Ben, did we miss anything?

01:45:25 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:45:26 [Speaker 2]
Let's go back, to the thirty minute no.
01:45:28 [Speaker 2]
I'm just kidding.

01:45:29 [Speaker 1]
I think Aaron, did we miss anything?

01:45:31 [Speaker 3]
Do you

01:45:31 [Speaker 1]
have a friend that met Jay Leno or not?

01:45:33 [Speaker 3]
No.
01:45:34 [Speaker 3]
No.
01:45:35 [Speaker 3]
Let me ask you guys.
01:45:36 [Speaker 3]
This would you read the book and then watch the movie if you could do it in an order of having done either first or watch the movie then read the book?

01:45:45 [Speaker 2]
I think you should watch the movie first.
01:45:48 [Speaker 2]
That's tough.
01:45:49 [Speaker 2]
Think other well, I think it's tough, though, because I think anyone who goes into this knows the reveal even if they haven't seen the movie or read the book.
01:45:57 [Speaker 2]
You know?
01:45:57 [Speaker 2]
It's like Yeah.

01:45:57 [Speaker 2]
It's like, I can't think of a time in my life where I didn't know that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father.

01:46:02 [Speaker 1]
What?

01:46:02 [Speaker 4]
So I

01:46:03 [Speaker 2]
feel like most people now who haven't seen Fight Club probably know the the thing.

01:46:08 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

01:46:08 [Speaker 2]
But if they don't, that'd be cool.
01:46:10 [Speaker 2]
I would I would still probably say watch the movie first.
01:46:12 [Speaker 2]
Otherwise, that reveal won't hit as hard.

01:46:15 [Speaker 1]
I agree.
01:46:17 [Speaker 1]
That was my journey and my introduction to anything Palanook.
01:46:20 [Speaker 1]
I watched this movie first and then read the book and have read Yeah.
01:46:23 [Speaker 1]
Lullaby and Survivor and Haunted as I mentioned.
01:46:26 [Speaker 1]
So, Damned, I didn't mention.

01:46:29 [Speaker 1]
And I read Choke, Rant.

01:46:31 [Speaker 3]
All good.

01:46:31 [Speaker 1]
Right?
01:46:32 [Speaker 1]
Yeah.
01:46:33 [Speaker 1]
I'm glad I watched it in the order I watched it in.

01:46:36 [Speaker 3]
For sure.

01:46:36 [Speaker 1]
Experienced it in.
01:46:37 [Speaker 1]
I'm glad I had the experience I had.
01:46:40 [Speaker 1]
Hey, I'm just gonna say it.
01:46:41 [Speaker 1]
Our book and themes are Jamie Edwards.

01:46:46 [Speaker 2]
Are Sandcat.
01:46:47 [Speaker 2]
What you are, what you've been watching and, why you excited is Matthew Foskett.
01:46:53 [Speaker 2]
Dick.
01:46:53 [Speaker 2]
Chris Olds does our fun facts thing.

01:46:56 [Speaker 1]
Ben, you do our interstitials.

01:46:57 [Speaker 2]
I do some of those little fun Indiana Jones Simpsons things that pop in.
01:47:02 [Speaker 2]
But Paul does a lot of work on this, So we should all give Paul a lot of kudos and credit.
01:47:07 [Speaker 2]
Thank you.

01:47:08 [Speaker 3]
Thank you.

01:47:09 [Speaker 1]
I'm really glad I will rewatch this movie.
01:47:11 [Speaker 1]
I won't watch it for twenty years.
01:47:13 [Speaker 1]
But I'm really glad I watched it.

01:47:15 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
01:47:16 [Speaker 2]
Thanks, Aaron, for coming on the show.

01:47:18 [Speaker 3]
Thanks for having me.

01:47:19 [Speaker 1]
Thanks, everybody.
01:47:20 [Speaker 1]
You got to the end of the line, and here's where you arrived.
01:47:22 [Speaker 1]
How do you feel?
01:47:23 [Speaker 1]
Don't answer that.
01:47:24 [Speaker 1]
Bye bye.

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