Who Framed Roger Rabbit?! / Ghost *BLANK (Guest: Derek McFadden)

Novelist and also podcast host (Writing While Handicapped), Derek McFadden rejoins us for his latest choice "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?!" (1988 d. Zemeckis) Starring: Bob Hoskins (3x People's Sexiest Man Alive), Christopher Lloyd, and Joanna Cassidy. This blend of hand drawn animation, Warner & Disney characters, and work in volumes was a trailblazing piece of filmmaking 30 + years ago, but how does that hold up against the master works of today (Jason X, Morbius), and does it really hold up at all? A discussion about how certain parts of certain people might could move in a certain way that is uncertainly certain to be certainly up down around and the whole deal. Pppppplease stop reading, and listen. There's no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...no pain...2/17!

Chapters

• 1:12 Guest Intro
• 2:44 What You Been Doin?
• 8:30 What Are You Watching?
• 25:57 "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?!" Facts
• 37:00 FUN Facts
• 43:04 Brought To You By
• 46:06 Cinephile Round
• 47:06 First & Current Experiences
• 59:00 Start the Movie (conversation)
• 1:28:07 Meet Me Halfway (through the movie)
• 1:54:01 Final Ratings

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Please. Can we start the episode? Yeah, do the fucking intro. Okay. Reap. Uh welcome to the review. Review, a movie podcast. My name is Ben. I am one of the co-hosts of said program.

SPEAKER_03 0:19

My name is Paul. I am another co-host of the program.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

This is a movie podcast where we have a guest. That guest brings us a movie. That movie, we have a few rules and stipulations that we made up arbitrarily for no reason. But it's, you know, something around seven years old or seven years old or older. Something not of a major franchise, preferably. And uh something that this person might feel passionately about. They want to revisit and uh give us a new rating, maybe out of five. And that's us. That's the review review.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Yeah. I threw a bunch of spaghetti. That's where it stuck on those kind of categories: the seven years old, the no franchises, or whatever. But on that note, is this the most franchise movie ever made?

Guest Intro

SPEAKER_02 1:08

That's a great question. Well, we need to introduce our guests to get to that. A return guest. It is my brother, Mr. Derek, in fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Oh, I thought there was someone else here. It's just Leo. Okay, yeah. Hi. Hi, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

We brought us Field of Dreams and brought us Galaxy Quest. Two extremely high scores on the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Yes. We'll see where this gets. If it gets as high or higher than Paul does.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Please let me hear. Nothing that gets higher than Paul does. Nothing gets higher than Paul does, though.

unknown 1:43

Please.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

So, Mr. Derek McFadden, who brought us who framed Roger Rabbit?

unknown 1:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Who did? That's the question.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Which is always just referred to, I feel like most people just call it Roger Rabbit.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Roger Rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Yeah, a lot of the time. Um, I alphabetized it in the wrong area. I unpacked my whole fucking closet. Yeah. And I was like, nope, I just put it in the wrong spot. It's not an R. I wonder why that happened. I don't know. Because it's because you're high. Oh. That's probably well. Mystery Solved. It's the dip. The great no R of our.

SPEAKER_04 2:16

Oh my god, it's big.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

This guy kills a puppy.

unknown 2:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

He kills a fucking puppy. I think he's so evil.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

I don't think I realized how much trauma that caused me as a child. Bad gravy.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

What we sat through as children and didn't even realize we saw.

What You Been Doin?

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Insane. PG movies. Yeah, insane. I I still I still have PTSD from watching Brave Little Toaster. Derek. PLT of a man. Derek, you are an author, you are a fellow podcaster, you are my brother. But tell these people what you've been doing.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

The latest podcast I did was with Jimmy Hawkins. Jimmy Hawkins played Tommy Bailey on It's a Wonderful Life, and guys, he's still around hanging out.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Oh wow. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

84 writing books.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

Just uh great movie and an author.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Yeah. He's been talking about It's a Wonderful Life since he was four and a half years old when he was in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Holy smokes. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Derek, where they can find your podcast anywhere on every yeah, I'm under the authors on the air banner, but the podcast writing while handicapped, you got if you just Google, you'll it's there.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Cool. And that book that uh the dude wrote is called What?

SPEAKER_01 3:58

The Heart of It's the Wonderful Life by Jimmy Hawkins. By Jimmy Hawkins.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Not to be confused with Screaming Jay Hawkins. No different The Musician, yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

No, not at all. Just same last name, or Hawkins Indiana, or any of these other things in the potential screen.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Or Jim Hawkins from Treasure Island.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Or even that. All these all specific individual things.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Okay. I'm I'm not I'm not 100% sure I'm I understand yet, but I'm sure I'll get there. They're all mutually exclusive. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Paul's not stoned yet, and we're having this conversation.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

I'm not stoned. Surprise, surprise. Paul, what you been doing? Me?

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Well, special K. Kimbo slice. The the the beat the beat out. Yeah. Had these gorgeous paintings that have been sitting for weeks, months. Who knows? Behold. Got out the pencil, the levels. Oh, the measuring type. Oh, yeah, yeah. The whole deal. And they're beautiful. They're they're both like three by three. They're in these beautiful frames. It's like these great green, blue, black kind of they've been described as flower blobs. Okay. And they're really nice, I promise. Really ties the room together. Oh, yeah, yeah. I swear to you. I get this all fucking dialed in with earthquake hooks and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Earthquake tape and everything. DIY shit. And I back up and I'm like, oh my God. And it's just one of those things like the building is however years old. And it's just like kind of crooked, and the walls are a little whatever. And it's just like there's this 16th of an inch that's just driving me fucking insane.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

You did your best. You did your best.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Derek, you're an angel. You can't perfect that. You're a gentleman. You can't perfect that. It's so div and they're framed by hand. They're gorgeous. Yeah. And it's just one of those things where these things, it would be so difficult to get these earthquake hooks in the right places and the whole whatever, whatever. So that's what I'd been up to. That's what I want to talk about. Hanging brain.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Hanging with Mr. Cooper.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Those just blobing it. This episode. Hanging blobs. Just beautiful blobs. You know, blobs, dips, blob goggles. Brains. The goggles do something in this case. Yeah. They do nothing. Ben, tell me what you have been doing, at least.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

1448 Hollywood, the World's Quickest Theater Festival at the Broadwater Theater is back February 6th and 7th. Um, it's Pay What You Can. It is a wild for people who aren't familiar or listening to this podcast, don't know. It is a wild 48-hour theatrical experience where 14 plays are written, rehearsed, designed, created, text, performed in 48 hours with over 50 artists that we invite. But yeah, that's coming up February 6th and 7th. And it's Pay What You Can Come say hi. Uh, so many people who've been on this program are involved, and we would love to see anyone out there who's coming who is coming to the show from listening to this. Please introduce yourself to me and let me know that this is what you heard about it on the review review. Oh, we would love that. It's it's free anywhere, or pay what you can. So it doesn't really matter. I just want to know. I want to hear you, I want to meet you.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Absolutely. We had stickers last year. Yeah. Who knows? We have stickers this year. We'll do we have some stickers. Do we have any left? Do we have some stickers around we? I want to say too, go back a couple of episodes here and listen to our Retrospectivus. Breaks down our whole third season and a good amount about what to expect from the 1448 festival. So take a look back at our first season that goes way over the fucking shark with the fucking needle drops and clips. It just goes way beyond. I feel like Arthur Fonsarelli, there's a rocket up your ass now.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

I mean, this this in is there a rocket up someone's ass in this movie? It's not just a shark, that's Jaws, like a cartoon rocket up someone's ass. Could be.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

I mean, could be it's rated PG, but it could be a lot of stuff happens in the cartoons, man.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

I mean, they're playing patty cake, and this is 88, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:12

We all know what they're actually doing. Yeah, we're on full Coke being cowboys here. Patty cake.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

I was I was six, and I was like, wow, patty cake sounds fun. I didn't know what it was. It's slapping noises and nothing else.

What Are You Watching?

SPEAKER_02 8:26

We need to get to this moment, this song, the one that everyone's looking forward to, dumb boy. What have you been watching?

unknown 8:33

What am I watching?

SPEAKER_01 8:49

What have I not been watching? I just went and saw Hamnet, which I liked. I was expecting to love it. I liked it. Jesse Buckley will win Best Actress at the Oscars. That's just gonna happen. That's that's just like done. I didn't love the direction of it. I just I don't and I liked Chloe Zhao. I just I don't know. It felt very kind of short vignettes to me, and I wanted more connection than I got from the movie. But I did see Eternity with uh Elizabeth Olson.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Before you move on too far. Yeah. You wanted more connection through dialogue, more connection. You said you want something from it. What is it that you want to get that?

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Yeah, I think I needed more connection through dialogue. I needed more placement as to where we are and who these characters are.

SPEAKER_05 9:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

I I read the book and felt like everything was there. And I felt like when they translated it to the screen, just something's missing. Um I really, really liked the ending. Kind of a shaky movie with a 30-minute ending that rules. I don't even know like how to describe like that's just it's weird. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

Good to hear that apparently there's a slam dunk Oscar here, and everybody that I've talked to that's seen it says it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Oh, it's gorgeous. Amazingly shocked. Okay. I have no problem with the I have no problem with the cinematography at all.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

I'm pretty sure she pretty much only shoots Magik Hour. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Is it something I heard about this, maybe, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Uh yeah, and then I think internal shots are almost all natural Barry Linden style candlelight.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Oh, whoa. So Barry Linden Amadeus situation.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Pretty dark, okay, but really well lit.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

I didn't I didn't know this, like no electric light kind of thing. That's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

It could there could be the the presentation feels very natural.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

I see. Okay. Either way, that excites me. Derek, you were gonna say something about eternity.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Eternity, yeah. Now that's a movie that like nobody's talking about, but was really good. The thing is, when I went to see that movie, the lobby was full of kids who were going to see Five Nights at Freddy's. And I was so happy too. And I was so happy. Oh god. No, I was in the theater with three people. It was my girlfriend, me, and one other guy. And uh half of the way through the reel didn't change, so the picture just stopped. So the guy had to get up and tell them uh the movie is not currently played. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Oh, that happened for us for Wicked for at the beginning of Wicked for Good. It started playing, and we just heard it, but there was nothing playing.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

I've only happened had that happen to me once in my life. I went to see it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world, and somebody missed a reel, and that was very frustrating. They missed a mad, yeah. You just one of one of those mad world that's gotta be at least as many reels as that movie is. Bring back mad. That's but overall, movie great.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Movie great, and um really one of those movies that uh would get made a lot more 20 years ago. Doesn't get made a lot now because it's kind of mid-budget, sort of like doing its own thing. It's very defending your life, so it's very down my alley.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Got it. Listen to our defending your life episode. There you go, Utah, but not so much some somewhere in time.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Hey, you know, you should listen to their first episode, the What Dreams May Come episode, because Paul is very happy to have been able to watch that amazing piece of celluloid.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

You know what I'm gonna do, Derek? We just brought Somewhere in Time and White Men Can't Jump and our Retrospectacus out of the unavailable behind the wall kind of situation. Those are now unavailable again. I'm going to make what dreams may come available again.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

You have to. What dreams may come, man. I I I have never laughed more at a non-comedy in my life.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Oh my, it's not been a good day.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

There was literally, there was literally a girl who turned around and I'm laughing. I'm dying not the look back you wanted. Girl turns around and goes, Can you get some water? You're really annoying. And I thought, Do you want me to spit the water on you? I don't understand me getting water. How is that situation?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

If that movie touches Roadhouse, uh what have you been watching, Paul?

SPEAKER_03 13:33

I'll tell you what I've been watching. Please do. Ben loaned me a Blu-ray. I did.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

A Luca movie called Challengers. One of my favorite movies of 2024. I really liked it. Oh Jesus, he scared me.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

I was like really good actor. I was like, oh my god, he's gonna tear up Mission Impossible three hat. I'm gonna try to be brief because I want to talk about a couple things and I want to hear your thoughts. Okay. I it the score is amazing. Yeah, it is. As was noted to me by the beat out, styling makes a huge difference in the style of the movie and the period of the movie where it's like these kids are wearing Nike, and then years later they're wearing like Uniqlo, which was like the thing. I've never felt more like okay, with just being bombarded with advertisement because it's about tennis, yeah, and it just works, yeah, because that exists in that. I really like how clear it is that for Zendaya, it's about power in the end, which is great. And I gotta say, some of these shots that happen with the glass panels and how they stay clean or whatever, and I and there's a lot of like CG or AI assisted things with tracking or whatever, but the practical stuff in that movie fucking rules, and it's really pretty. I really liked it. I would give it a four, like any and every piece of love that it's gotten, I'd give it a fully hard four. That's as hard as I get is the four. That movie deserves a hard four. Dude, uh I give it what do I get? Four churros as the movie. It's like bananas, six churros, like every phallic object in existence. Don't forget the balls. The dude, the satire of the movie and like the silliness, the soap opera y, melodrama-y thing of it, like totally fucking works for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

I also just love I love the shots in that movie. I think it's beautiful, the colors, but the the shot that just like is burned into my mind is during one of the like the final tennis match, and it's just a shot of Zendaya and the whole audience, and the entire crowd's heads are turning left and right watching the ball, and she's just staring straight forward. Yep, and it's so fucking powerful. It looks I agree. It just she she is so good in that movie, and I think Josh O'Connor is and and Mike Feist. Mike Feist, I think they're all just really well cast, and I gotta watch the movie again now.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Yeah, Derek, you wanted to say something about challengers.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Okay, I'm not quite as high on it as you guys are, but there's a reason. There's a reason. It was my birthday, and I decided I want to go see Challengers. Sure, and of course, and and I knew uh spoiler for challengers. So, quick spoiler for challengers. I knew that um Zendaya gets hurt in the movie. So I was I was preparing myself. I was preparing myself, but I do not do well when people get injured, or when people it's brutal, it is brilliant, or when when people Ben and I both grabbed our knee. Oh, dude, I had a full-blown panic attack. And the person I was with, I was like, I have to leave. Like, I had to leave. I was hyperventilated. Yikes. I watched the rest later, but I had to leave.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

She, as you both are talking about in terms of the injury, the post-injury situation with her, and how it changes her, and how as an actor, you need stuff to draw. And it's like, I don't didn't Zenday have Nisa, like what happened? She was very, very good. Yeah, I agree. I want to talk very briefly because this just became available. The persona that is Chevy Chase. I got a chance to take the time to see the Chevy Chase documentary. What a thing. I don't know how to rate it. I don't know how to feel, I don't know what to think. Like, I I love Fletch. I love Christmas Vacation. I love that, yeah. Art artist, comedy, comedian person. Like, it's like this is such a complicated persona, and that's the kind of it's like all I feel is like a persona. And it and it is uh it's not like an empty, I'm not trying to say this is an empty vessel or some shit like that. This is an extremely human person that just like I can't conceptualize it's that thing where it's like everybody is saying, like, oh yeah, this is this guy's an asshole, but I I don't think he knows he is. That's just him. And it's just like for me, uh the way my grandma would say something or whatever, I had to be like, Grandma, no, no, grandma. And so it's just one of those things I think like maybe people don't say to Chevy Chase, like, no, no, don't well.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

I don't know. Have you ever he's a complicated dude? Do they deep dive into hit hit Dan Harmon and yeah and community?

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Yeah, yeah, it's he's a complicated guy, it's a it's a very complicated thing. It's like you know, watching Seinfeld and the whole Michael Richards situation, and his he's been extremely contrite and seem to have put in the time and the effort and the energy to like give a shit and understand what the problem was with what happened, and it's like I am I find a level of satisfaction in that, and so I I with the Chevy Chase thing, it's like there are some like you know unanswered questions I have, and that's okay because again, like this is a persona, this is a very mercurial person. He's it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

You know that Derek and I have always seen our father in Chevy Chase, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Oh, yes, uh, but that I mean, does I see me in that to a degree?

SPEAKER_02 19:14

It's uh like that's a hard thing to own. Does anyone I mean I see that that's crazy too, because I when I just re-watched Christmas Vacation, I when I was a kid watching that movie, I always saw myself as Russ. And like in watching it now, I was like, Oh, am I becoming Clark Griswold?

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Like with the expect like the way that he plays that with the expectations of the holiday and making everyone happy and the OCD and the like the depression and the masking and the like dude, it's kind it's an amazing movie, and it's like it's amazing because it's a it's a tragic comedy. Yeah, like there is a level of tragedy to it that like just like it's just like, yeah, I relate. Like the like as I've noted on the holidays are rough, as I like to say. Shitter's full. Shitter's full. I mean Joyce things that.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Randy Quaid played himself too. Randy Quayne playing himself, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Talk about hanging brain. He should have said that when he was flying the plane up into the alien ship anus and into the ships.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Um Ben, what have you been watching? Well, bringing up aliens, uh uh alien dollar sign. I went and saw James Hamron's Avatar Ash and Fire. Is it fire and ash or is it ash and fire? Is it alphabetical? Doesn't matter. I don't fucking know. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, was it better than the flash?

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Oh, yeah. Way to set a barometer for me as and you as the listener to this.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah, I mean to all. I okay. So I saw it in IMAX with uh guest of this program, Matthew Scott Barrow. Oh, nice. Uh we went to Matthew Scott Barrow. We went to the Pacific Science Center IMAX, which I haven't been back to in a very long time. But it's a very nice IMAX, it's a big, big IMAX screen. Boy, howdy. I I just I just really don't know what underwater grass James Cameron is smoking or what he thinks. I would like to know what he thinks people want.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

He wants some of that.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

If there is a franchise that has had almost zero cultural impact, it's definitely Avatar. I don't talk to people about Avatar like ever. Why why would you? It's not the first one came out. I saw it in the theater in Austin, Texas with my then girlfriend. Uh I liked it. I remember seeing the theater, she was super uh like environmental, and I liked that message. And I was like, that was fun. That was like a fun ride. I enjoyed, I enjoyed that experience. And someone I know Paul and I have had this conversation. I then like downloaded on my laptop and I watched like half of it, and I was like, Oh, well, this is just Ferngoli, and I'm bored.

unknown 21:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

I was just gonna say the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

And so then when I saw the I went and saw the second one in IMAX, I guess shame on me. And that one was like different to a degree, like it had it brought up a different storyline. Shouts to Piacon, and it had like family in it. Yeah, like it was about family. That's what family was about. Piacon is family, and it was like okay. I mean, I you know, he films you want to nuke the whales, don't you? He films action pretty well, like some of the action sequences. No doubt. Obviously, the technology has like caught up a little bit and it looked better in some way than most like Marvel things, like being in this CG world.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

It looked decently love and care went into it as much as it can in with everything done in volumes and on computers.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

And similar to the movie we're gonna talk about, the overlap of like real characters and CG, like the characters. They did it. That movie in particular, the second one. I felt like it really felt more integrated in a way that I don't think we've had in big blockbusters. Yeah, because they just they don't take the time and don't spend the money. Speaking of the flash, horrible CG, probably the worst I've ever seen. But this one, this one was like three fucking hours at the end.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

That's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

I don't want to spend that much time, the the entire fucking advertising is all about these fire and ash people, which given uh Una um Chaplin, are these different tribes? Yeah, it's a different tribe. Una Chaplin plays the main uh woman in that, and she's great. She's a great like that's Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I was gonna say it sounds like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

I'm sure more than anything else, these are actors and animators, CG artists. I don't know how to refer to this, working exceptionally hard and doing some really incredible work.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

But it ultimately is just was so long and fucking boring, and it just made me upset because I was just like, Cameron, I know you're a talented filmmaker, I know you love telling stories, but we don't fucking love this. Stop giving it to us.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

I was super duper enamored with the first one in the theater in terms of the experience. I was like, fuck yeah, this is like a ride. I'm high as shit. Yeah, I can grab that rock if I want, like, take me away. And then I watched it at home and was not super interested in it. Similar situation. I want to know specifically if Derek A, have you seen this? You can nod or shake your head.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

I have I saw the first one, and then I I was like, I had your same experience. Let go after the first one, and then and then I just I just I don't care that much. Okay, it was Ferngolly.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

As a piece of let's say, like the movie clearly, it's not challenging, it's not it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't ask you a lot of questions. But the first one, at least the theater experience is entertaining and fun, or somebody could be like, I have a fucking 70 or 80 inch TV at home. This movie fucking rules, I love it. Great. This new one, even on a level of like, don't challenge me, just fucking entertain me. I want to watch a movie and check out. This wasn't even like satisfying on that end, really.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

No, it it ultimately I ultimately was just mostly still better than the flash. Yeah, it was mostly just boring, and I was mostly just wanting to leave. Like, I just felt like this this and the end was the same final battle. Like it felt like a rehash of the second one.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Is Steven Lang still in this franchise? Yeah, whoa. Uh I have Saborney Weaver and same Worthington where he has an avatar. Yeah, okay. They're all that that way, so they don't and the animated are fighting the animated. Yep. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

My final bringing comparison.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

I have another comparison for you. Um, is it better than Amelia Press?

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Oh my god. Um these are the movies Ben hates on this podcast. That's not a movie I can really compare. I'll just end by saying what my letterbox review was, which was just one line. It is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit?!" Facts

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Oh that's how I felt about. Was that written by Uli from the Big Lebowski? It's from Macbeth. Let us move on.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Let us move on.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

Archaeology is the search for facts.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

The Scottish playback. The Scottish play band.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

I'll I'll bring it back to what I was gonna say. We're tying it all back to animated fighting animateds. We watched hanging blobs. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Who can hang the longest blob? We will find that out. This was from Amblin Silver Screen Partners 3. And do you miss it also? Touchstone. Yeah, I miss it. I miss Touchstone.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Touch that stone, touch that stone, touch that, get it.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Yeah, feel how hard that.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Romance that stone.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

You're gonna keep tying it to that, and I'm gonna keep tying it to this damn movie. He wasn't as he liked it. He's a famous character. I understand. I don't disagree with you. The rating on this film is again somehow. This comes up a lot on this podcast. Earth Girls are easy, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Poltergeist. This movie, I think, is in that porn for fear PG. Porn for kids. Yeah. How is this PG? My god. One hour and four. Well, you know, a lot of these movies have a specific thing in common, or a few of them do anyway, and that is produced by Steven Spielberg.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

The movie is an hour and 44 minutes. The budget on this film was$70 million adjusted. That is$192.1 million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Say that again because that isn't a budget. I read that today and I was like, wait, so$70 million in 1988 is now$192 million.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Shit.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

It's this show is fucking depress. This program, I part, I apologize, is fucking depressing. Opening weekend was June 22nd, 1988. If you want to feel like shit but feel great about it, watch a David Fincher movie. Don't listen to this podcast.$11.2 million adjusted. That's$30.2 million. Again, now dead in the water. Over. Yep. It's on streaming next week. Final Gross North America was$156.4 million. That's$429.4 million adjusted, which you'd think would be way more money, but it's not. Final Gross Worldwide,$329.8. This movie made nearly a billion dollars. It's about$905 billion in today's monies. Other releases this weekend, nobody, because they were scurred.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah. Get the hell out of the way for this rabbit.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

They were scurred off, which is interesting to say because there's like a rumor going around when people saw Charles Fleischer, who does the voice of Roger Rabbit, he would be off-screen wearing a Roger Rabbit costume. And people were like, That Roger Rabbit movie's gonna fucking suck. And that was a rumor that circulated.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

He went to the cafeteria wearing the rabbit ears. Yeah, yeah. Just wearing rabbit ears.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

Oh, I thought he was wearing the whole pretty much the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Everyone just thought that, like, oh, this looks awful. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

And he wore Roger's like get up.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

He wore it in 1988. Do you believe what they achieve is possible? Do you believe that this could be done? No.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

I don't know. What was the other Disney movie that did this um before this?

SPEAKER_03 29:10

It was like um I guess I guess Fool World. No, that's after.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

No, but I I mean, I guess I mean that's horny.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Technically, it's canonical on Disney sexy big titty animated ladies. Song of the South did this. That's true. Absolutely. It didn't.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

And Mary Poppins had a Mary Poppins had the penguin sequence.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

This this perfects it though.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Thank goodness we have you two.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

And then Space Jam takes us back about 20 years after after that. After Space Jam the original comes out.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

I like a lot of the I like a lot of the 3D animation in Space Jam, but I agree it hasn't aged. It hasn't aged with perfection. A lot of things about Space Jam do not work. I'd rewatch that movie. I hope. Do I have it on my list on my breaker list? Do you have it on?

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Uh I think I have it on mine. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

Good. Somebody should. Weekend top five was believe it or not, this movie. Wow. Big, the great outdoors, red heat, cocainum.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

Cocaine.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Crocodile Dundee, but the second time, which I again I don't understand what crocodile 1D 1D. Crocodile Dundee the first. Only exists for Paul Hogan's pleasure. That's the only dimension it exists in. That's why. Other films from 1988 were Bloodsport, Beetlejuice, Moonstruck, Young Guns, Tucker, A Man and His Dream, A Fish Called Wanda, and My Favorite and Yours Mac and Me. Letterboxed I'm a Cybernetic Organism, a learning computer. Letterboxed average is 4.0. Follow us. You are at Run BMC. I am at Paul X Badly. Derek, do I follow you? Do you have one?

SPEAKER_01 30:55

I have one. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

It's D82 something. I don't know. I follow you guys, so if you can figure out what it is, put it in there, but I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

Okay. We'll do. Siskel and Ebert give this movie two huge thumbs up. Rotten Tomatoes, 96%, 85% popcorn, Metacritic is 83%, 8.2 user, major award nominations, two Golden Globe noms, DGA nominee, five BAFTA nominations, including a win, eight Saturn Awards, three wins, and seven Oscar noms, four wins, largely technical and sound. So in two dimensions.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

And they they gave a fifth Oscar to this movie because it was non-competitive to the animators for what they did as far as moving the form forward. So they actually have five Oscars, but one of them is not competitive.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Was this fifth one in like the technical Oscars that happened like a week before that they give like 30 seconds to in the Oscar show?

SPEAKER_02 31:52

The science technical, very hot. One of those things, which are very important. So here's you, and here's a bunch of nerds.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Now back to the hot people. And on the note of a bunch of fucking nerds.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Oh, yeah, let's talk about him. One big nerd director is Bobby Zemeckis. Bob, as he's known in this industry, he made here uh home.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

I guess one single phone.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yeah, he did make that. I want to toss that off. These are the worst things. Cast that away. Welcome to Marwen and use cars. Awful choices. Uh, but you should listen to our Back to the Future episode. Oh, sure. Why not?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Is that the one where I you get to hear Ben eat fucking peanut butter MMs, the bane of my goddamn existence two years later. Or did I go back in time and scrub that? Certainly you didn't, at least not from my memory. You don't have a neuralizer, you just have a fucking DeLorean, which is a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

I just go back and slap the MMs out of my hand.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Stop it with a ping-pong paddle and then slap your ass, I hope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

Writers are Jeffrey Price and Peter Seaman, Wa Wah West, Last Holiday, and Gary Wolf, who did the novel, which was titled Who Censored Roger Rabbit? Interesting. I would be interested to read that. Director of photography, Dean Cundy, Home Again, Jack and Jill, Apollo 13, which is getting a re-release now. Hey, hey. Uh music, Alan Sylvestri, Ready Player One, Reindeer Games, Forest Gump. Producers, Steven, Stevie, Steve O Spielberg, Steven. You get to call him whatever you entertainment. I know him. I know him. You brushed his armor. He brushed your armor.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

How did that work?

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Schindler's List, Kathleen Kennedy, Twister, Robert Watts, R.I.P. on Deadly Crown, and Frank Marshall, Congo.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

One of your favorites. I would never ever not mention that when we have a chance. Also, the second unit director on this film. Are those bad gorillas hanging brain? Blobby. Just blob and yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Bad, bad gorillas.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

That is not your brain off my face.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Bad. Bob Hoskins, R.I.P., secondest man alive. Three times. He is Eddie, Eddie Valiant, Mona Lisa, Super Mario Bros. Listen to our Super Mario Bros. episode and Brazil.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

He appears in that. And this is a house that respects Rufio. Derek, do you respect Rufio?

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I respect Rufio. I grew up with my brother. How could I not respect Rufio?

SPEAKER_02 34:18

You can stay. You're in the fucking house. Charles Flesher plays Roger, Zodiac, Rango, Tales from the Crypt, Demon Knight. Fuck yes. It will happen. Kathleen Turner plays Jessica Serial Mom. Crimes of Passion.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Serial Mom.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Love that movie. That's a movie that we watched a lot as a kid for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

I don't wear that is that is how what was your John Waters collection like at home? Because that fucking rule.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Literally, it was that movie. Like I don't think I knew about other ones. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Yeah, don't wear white after Labor Day. That is, I would you took it from my brain.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

You truly are an empath. I won't wear white shoes after Labor Day.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Rewind Ghostad. When you when you rent prawn from Blockbuster, rewind prawn.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

That title gets bleeped on every single episode of this show that it is mentioned every time and will continue to. So anytime you have something you want removed, Derek, just if you think it's throw one of those in there. It'll be dropped or censored.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Christopher Lloyd plays Doom, Suburban Commando, Camp Nowhere, Back to the Future. John Cassidy plays Dolores the Outfit, Blade Runner, Don't Tell Mom, the Babysitter's Dead. A R I P plays Acme, Guys and Dolls, Cat Baloo, Sweet Charity. Alan Tilvern plays Maroon, Superman from 78. Firefox, the Frozen Dead, Richard La Parmentier.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Did I say that right? I think so. Or it's Parm La Parmentier or Parmentier. It's it's French.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Must be. Sure. Uh Santino, the Wicker Man, not the one with the Bees. And Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings trilogy. And Hugo.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

I had a van that I got as a rental once. It was a free upgrade, and I called it the Wicker Van because I took a group of people to go see the Wicker Man in it. And I go, all right, everyone, pile into the Wicker Van. And I got into it and went, The Bees, the Bees, and everyone in the parking lot was very upset and confused.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

The bees. Lou Hirsch plays Baby Hobbin, Home Alone Three, a movie I auditioned for. 16 Candles and Jack and Diane.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

For the kid or one of the people trying to get the kid.

unknown 36:31

For the kid.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I just went in doing that.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Just started hitting yourself with bricks, and they were like, you're gonna get through one before you are in the emergency room.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Joel Silver. That Joel Silver. Yeah. That guy? Raul. He's uh producer. He did the Matrix uh Lethal Weapon and all the diehards. Derek.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Well, the the first couple diehards anyway. Oh, yeah, I forgot.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Fun facts, fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time.

FUN Facts

SPEAKER_03 36:58

Oh, you two hear it twice. So nice. Fun facts, fun facts, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

It's fun fact time.

SPEAKER_03 37:05

Like walla walla. All right. Kyoko Munda.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

This movie finished in the box office top ten for four and a half consecutive months. For basically the season of a fantasy football season. Oh, yeah. This was in that that's how long. Which I'll second that.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Which Paul, we we have to give Paul congratulations for being in second place. In our fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

And since the movie was being made by Disney and Warner Brothers, or it says it says Warner Brothers would only allow use of their biggest cartoon stars if they got exactly as much screen time as Disney's. So there's Bugs and Mickey, and there's Donald and Daffy and Porky and Tinkerbell, they're all in pairs.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Oh yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

And that's the only time that they've all been included in a movie.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

There's a lot of like characters that like cartoon characters that show up that are like analogous for other Warner Brothers. And they work. Totally, totally. Yeah, I know. But like you can you can see the I love the cab.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

I love Benny the Cab. Yeah. Benny the Cabo.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

First test audience was mostly made up of 18 and 19 year olds, which is perfect audience for this movie, who hated it after after almost the entire audience walked out of the screening. Robert Zemeckis, who had Final Cut, said he wasn't changing a thing, which hell yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Good for him.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

Just like Back to the Future.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

I love that he stands on that and he's just like, We're not getting another one. Fuck you. Yeah, no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Him and Bob Gale, apparently. Yeah. And then Bill Murray was considered for Eddie, which that would have been terrible.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

And Tim Curry and John Cleese both read for Judge Dune.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

Quick thing, Derek, if I may interrupt.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Did anyone else at any point in time get to the a point in this movie and go, These are two of the 30 or 40 greatest film actors that have ever lived? I've never been more enamored or impressed by or loved Christopher Lloyd's work. I just think he's so good. I guess I couldn't forgive him for Suburban Commando until now.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

And then to give Jessica's walk an unusual bounce, um, the supervising animator reversed the natural up-down movement of her breasts as she walked, and they bounced uh and they bounced up. Uh and it's it says they bounced up when it I think you wrote this, Paul. They bounced up when a real woman's breast would would naturally bounce down. Okay. And Paul knows that because he's already in a little natural win.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

Derek's just reading from a script right now. I wrote that part. He is very appropriate. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Okay, and these these three facts were written by me. So if I fuck this up, that's my fault. Uh Kathleen whoopsie. I just did it. Kathleen Turner. Oh, geez. You made herself before I could. You know, I was so confident. Kathleen Turner, who worked with Robert Zemeckasan romancing the stone, took the role of voicing Jessica Rabbit because she was pregnant at the time and she wanted to work.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Oh, great.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

She's such a great voice. Yeah. Bob Hoskins reported to colleagues and probably also to his therapists, though we cannot confirm, that he spent so much time imagining cartoons on set that when he got offset, he hallucinated weasels and rabbits coming through the walls for a year.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

Wow. That's mildly insane. That's also a great actor and beyond mildly again. Yeah. It's it's pretty special.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Last fact, there will not be a Roger Rabbit 2, which is probably good, because Disney sold the Roger Rabbit rights back to Gary Kaywolf in November of 2024. Also, the reason you don't see Roger at the Disney parks is because if you have him, great people, you have to have Jessica 2, and Disney was uncomfortable with that.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

Lola Bunny from Space Jam and Jessica Rabbit, similar DNA there.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Porn for kids. Oh yeah. Do they still but they no longer have the Roger Rabbit ride?

SPEAKER_01 41:20

I I think, yeah. I'm wondering how long Toontown stays up.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

I love Toontown as a kid, and uh I loved when you were a little blob. When I was a little when I was a little blob, just running around hanging brains.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Six, seven times, age six, seven. They can't keep doing this. We're just giving them more aura.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yeah. We're aura farming for them.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Yeah, we're letting them be emotional vampires. We're migrant aura farmers, which is weird because I am their age and I am working for them. I'm an agent. This must have been how old are you, Paul?

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Are you like 69?

SPEAKER_02 41:56

67, obviously. Uh circuit or 20. What is the log line of this movie?

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Uh you know, it said on the paperman, I didn't read it, so I will try to make one up. I like that.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

You're a writer.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

A troubled detective uh takes the case of a framed rabbit to determine who framed him.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

He flipped it. It's the exact it's basically exactly right, but you flipped it.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

You flipped it, stick it, see you later. Bye. The log line is when a cartoon rabbit is accused of murder, he enlists the help of a burnt-out private investigator to prove his.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

Oh, so I put him first. I put him first instead of second.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

I would like to say something. The only reason the rabbit piece is ahead of the private investigator is the rabbit is the commercial thing, and the titular. Yeah, that's true. It's the title character. Because otherwise, I Derek, the way you prioritized it makes sense to me because I'm way more interested in everything that's happening with Eddie. You need Eddie, Eddie and Roger balance each other for this.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

What a team. We're getting ahead of it.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

It's Valiant and Valiant again.

Brought To You By

SPEAKER_02 43:03

We're getting ahead. We're we're gonna talk about this movie in depth. We have to go to break. We our corporate overlords are hanging blobs on us. Oh no, hang on. Derek, will you hang out with us? Please stick around for a break. Okay, I'm right here. Well, uh, we will be back after this blob.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

I shouldn't be playing with these Gen Z Halo teabanging.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Blah blah blob.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

We're back from those blobs. Does it look like my Mission Impossible 3 hat is just several blobs of different sizes? It does a little bit, yeah. Interesting, interesting. Something I should have brought up on the production that I worked on very closely. I mean, really. Where I got this hat.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

Like if you were to break down the symbols on that hat, they're all the same. Just different sizes. Yeah, just different same symbol, just different sizes. It's very Illuminati. Yeah, I think they really nailed it. M equals I equals Roman.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

I just got sued. If anybody needs to find an Illuminati thing, I can always trust Paul to find it. He's my dude. I will just reference Eyes Wide Shut for six and a half hours. That movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Derek, we're going to start our second act of this program by playing Cinephile. Cinephile is a card game that has an actor and a movie on it. Then we will go around Robin naming a movie that that actor was in until one of us screws up. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Gorgeous. Tell me when to stop. I'm going to read the card to you. That's your selection. It's a freebie that we're going to give to you, and then Paul will go and then we'll go. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

And then back to you. Brevity's the soul of which.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Let me know. Is it? That's another Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Yes, that was the point. I participated in the Shakespeare joking. Let me know when to stop.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Stop. Alright. Yours is. Alright, it is Wesley Snipes Passenger 57. Oh. Okay. White men can't jump.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Demolition Man.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Major League.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Sugar Hill.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Blade. Blade 2? Electric Boogaloo?

SPEAKER_03 45:38

I'm gonna still let you have that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Blade Trinity.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

I will say uh Deadpool and Wolverine.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

I continue to be out of uh Wesley Slife movies.

Cinephile Round

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Great. Drop zone. Which expendables was he in? When is he showing up? I don't know. Three. It's three or four. I don't know. I almost said three, and I was like, is that right? Undisputed. Was that the fighting movie he was in? Yeah, yeah with him and Ving Rames. Erving Rames. Back to a movie about trying to keep someone out of prison. Derek. Oh uh tell us about your first experience with the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Question mark.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

I was not seeing movies in theaters yet. Actually, the first movie I saw in theaters was Honey Eye Shrugged the Kids, which included Tummy Trouble.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

You mean Sweetie, I might have accidentally My Love, My Darling. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

They had the cartoon short of Roger Rabbit Tummy Trouble.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Oh yes, they did before that movie. They did.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

When I first heard of this movie, it was because our father uh was had worked with somebody who had said he was working on this and quit his job to work on this. And then so dad brought it home and was like, I don't know what this is. I mean, we you know, he's glad you remember because I don't.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

There was family.

First & Current Experiences

SPEAKER_01 46:54

You were two, also. I think you were two at the time. He brought it home because he wanted to see what this guy had been working on for four years, and then I was amazed by it. Like I was just because it starts with the 15 minutes of just cartoon, and I'm like, wow, that they could do, and then it and then it goes into something nobody'd ever seen. I think at the time, I would have if everything else that I brought to you is a five, I think I'm at a four. I'm at four dumb cartoon bullets. Dumb dumbs. They're just they they go the wrong way.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

You've just recently re-watched this movie. You you won't end at that score, and you still feel that way.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

I could I could go up to four and a half at uh having watched it. We'll see again, but we'll see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

We'll see. Wait, you but you could right now go to four and a half.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

That's what I'm saying. I could go to four and a half right now. It's it's a soft four that could make made a hard, hard four.

SPEAKER_03 47:54

It could go any which way. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Paul Moon's the conversation we have here.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

This is a movie that I feel like has pretty much always existed for me. Yeah. I saw this at babysitters places, places that we stopped at when people were running errands, when I was smoking cigarettes and drawing social security. It's always existed.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

When you were evading taxes, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:24

And I can't think of a point in time. Somewhere in time, that I both stop at both where you're like an anamorphous blob of references. Yeah, that's all I am. That's all this program is. It really is. So, you know, program is literally a reference to Mr. Rogers.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Well, I now oh, yeah, because he says program all the time. That's how he does like a real hero.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

We don't have anything original, not at all. Shout Mr. Rogers every chance you possibly get.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

But speaking of why not speaking of originality mixed with previous established things, this movie.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

This was Five Singing Swords. When I was a kid, always I've owned it, VHS, DVD, Blue, and now 4K Ultra. And I guess there's a steel book, and it's like, I'd rather have the steel book. Like, that's almost like the kind of collector I am, which is like a bit like saying it all out loud. It's like, don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Means you're broke.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

You just right clearly. Don't forget, you can tip on this podcast now. Always this. I watched this movie this morning when I was able to dig out the 4K. The only extra option was with commentary, and I'm like, I cannot watch this movie with commentary, and I cannot watch it twice. I'm just gonna watch it. Yeah, it is such a fucking amazing, like three thing. Like, there's a full what you'd feel like a full Looney Tune. Yeah, there is this neo-noir movie that happens, and then this mixed media thing that happens, and I've never seen Chinatown its entirety. I've watched chunks of it in cable, cable versions, pieces where it's like, I've seen the movie, I'm certain of it, but I've never sat and watched it. I personally feel like this movie is maybe not only slightly the better version of this movie does of that exist without Chinatown. It does not, and that's okay. Yeah, because things can evolve and get better as we all should. Yeah. And this is like an Amadeus level. This isn't my favorite movie, but this I think is one of the best movies ever made in terms of we talked about this with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The give a shit level on this movie is crazy fucking high. Yeah, yes. I did watch a documentary called Behind the Ears at some point, where they're talking about how we used plastic dummies, we used Charles Fleischer, we did eyelines, Bob Hoskins is hallucinating. They worked so fucking hard on this movie, and the performances that Christopher Lloyd and Bob Hoskins are giving to nothing, yeah. And the takes that are used in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Absolutely nothing is there.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

They're mind-boggling, and it's so well written. I agree what you're talking about, Ben, where it's like this doesn't exist without Chinatown and like the red car and cloverleaf and make the freeway and like what the what the conspiracy is. But the movie is just and Chinatown is also this movie, it is so fucking gorgeous. Like even the lighting and stuff happening in animated things where the camera is moving around, yeah, as well as like when it gets mixed media. This is five singing swords to me. This this has gone nowhere but up. Like I I didn't think I could go more than a hard four, but here I am. We're like this may be the best movie that we've done. The only way to believe okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Strap in, folks, strap on. I was actually surprised to hear that you're only at a four, just because me too.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

The reason is visual, and it's because I am legally blind, and the second time I watched really the this is like the fourth or fifth time I've seen it in my whole life sitting down and watching it, I caught more than I ever had uh because my girlfriend was pointing stuff out to me, like the the circus thing that was sitting on on at his desk. Because if you if you don't know that that's there, and I didn't, I didn't think that that was there. Yeah, his circus thing late in the movie comes out of nowhere, but then I was like, oh wait, no, it's just perfectly placed. It's perfectly placed. I just didn't know that, so that's why I I have such a wide berth, and I could come up because hey, just point out to me some visual stuff that I might have missed. Okay, and it's it's not that I it's not that I dislike this movie, I love it, that's why I'm here. It's just it was hard for me with there's so many visual things in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

It's like why we when we saw everything everywhere all at once, Derek did the visual description, and so that I was sitting next to him and I could hear it go, she's swinging around the nunchucks. The nunchucks are now dildos, she's hitting him with dildos, the dildos are exploding, and Derek is just laughing.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

So Ben had had seen it, had seen that movie, and normally in a movie such as that prior, he would just read me the subtitles. I said, Well, can can you just read me the subtitle? He goes, That'd be really, really hard to do. Uh, and then when I saw it, I was like, Well, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

I don't want him to be like, they're doing like explaining like now they're now it's a dildo. Now it's a butt plug, now it's in his butt.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

I just want to say going to win best picture at the Oscars.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

This makes the thing about how you were both so bashful about like, I don't really even want to read this where the way I wrote the thing about the breasts bouncing, where Derek was like, I don't all I can do is say that Paul, like the way that Paul wrote this was weird.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Well, similar to Paul, and I guess I I got this movie introduced at a point at two where I don't recall because it's always existed in my life. Yeah, and like bring putting it back on, watching it a couple nights ago, it was like seeing a long lost relative that I haven't seen in a long time because I haven't watched it in a while, and it like it just brought like oop, like I got full of just that like euphoria of the feeling of watching that movie as a kid. I could like you know, I could like close my eyes and really take myself there. So for me, the nostalgia is strong on this one. Yeah, it is ingrained into me, and maybe I can't see past it because this is definitely five shave and a haircuts for me.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

Two bits up, shave and haircuts, two bits. I can't help myself. Yeah, you understand.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

I'm so happy to tell him that it's two bits. He likes that's just part of the I have to finish the bit.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

It's just coming back to it now, and like it's been so long since I've seen it. I can't tell you the last time I saw it. You know, I went through uh uh in in grad undergrad, I went through part of like film study, and we did noir. And the the noir aspects in this movie are you're right, just as good, if not better, than than some of the ones that defined the LA noir genre and like the the lighting, the the physical sets, uh like everything is similar to the movie we've already brought up on this program, uh Muppet Christmas Carol. It takes everything with such care and seriousness. It's not down, it's not talking down to anybody in the audience.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

The jokes and references it makes to the LA streetcar and the freeway, and some of the jokes that it makes are so grounded and feel so real. It makes it it takes it's very dry. It's a I mention Garth Merengi's dark place on this all the time. Part of the reason why that show works, it's because it's dry as a fucking saltine.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

I could go on, but I think we need to start the movie because this still five. We need to talk about it. You're still five. Yeah, no, I'm at I'm at five shaving haircuts.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Two fives at two bits, two fives. Derek, you're at a four, but we're gonna do our best.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

I'm I I wanna come up. So, you know, if if you guys can elevator me, I just we're gonna lube up with the dip. I I just need an elevator up tells me which floor which floor I'm on.

SPEAKER_03 56:50

I was gonna say, does dip hurt people? No, yeah, probably not.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

But here's the thing. How did Judge Dune know that the dip was gonna work? Right? So did he did he test it on himself and go, ouch, that hurts. I need to put on this this one.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

I mean, it doesn't maybe because it doesn't kill you immediately, like we saw with like the cab.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Uh clearly he'll grab any random tune at any point and test it on them. Yeah, and just like he doesn't care, he will kill a puppy. He's a closeted tune. He's so evil, he's super easy, he's against his own people, like his own kind. It's so he's a like one of the pantheon villains, like very easy.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

And my partner asked this question when we were watching it. She said, you know, everybody says that Shrek was the first movie that kind of brought adult jokes in uh to a kid's movie, but wouldn't that be this movie?

SPEAKER_02 57:42

I don't think Shrek is the I think there there are plenty before that, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:46

But but this one to me Ghostbusters is where it begins for me. But when we're talking cartoons, though, like when we're talking cartoonish, and she was like making the first one, not like before time.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Well, let us start the movie!

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Stop the movie, side and now a feature presentation.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

It's just a classic, you know, Looney Tune uh episode.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

The ro the logo that pops up at you. Yeah, the whole thing, where even the name of it, something's cooking with baby Herman. It's like Mary Melodies or whatever. Yes, yeah. Rogers going over his enormous rabbit family, which he would have. He would have a huge fucking family. Yeah, he would.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

Also, there's something about the animation style that just looks so fucking good. It's just like the clean lines, the colors are very primary, but they pop like it's big time. It's a really fun little cartoon to watch.

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SPEAKER_03 58:51

Like the it doesn't feel dated in any way. No, no, and it's three-dimensional. Yeah, like that's the thing, is like they took the time. This was the thing where it's like I feel like an animation was largely flat or felt flat.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

I think it was moving into some three because like Little Mermaid kind of started to do a little a little bit more three-dimensional.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

I don't know what year that was. I couldn't tell you, and they it seems like you guys maybe put a lot of 89. You give a lot of credence to who was first with things sometimes, yeah. Yeah, we we do, yeah. I think Derek, you do too. Okay, which I think is perfectly fair, like how the foundation is built is massively important, but as long as it's evolving, it is Ben, you were saying, and I just want to make sure it's like this movie gets like great jokes in, like it never stops being funny unless it's man, it the tone of this movie, the juggling of it is like it's Eddie juggling those blobs. Yeah, like it's expert shit.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

I love baby Herman, I like when they cut, and so pissed. Yeah, it's funny to me so pissed. This is all they're doing this. All in one take.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

It's magic. The animation and the reality like coming together. It's magic. Like, and Roger goes through absolute hell. And he's like, I can do it again. I can do it again.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Because he did birdies instead of Starks.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

Like that's but I love this, like, just from the like right when that cuts, and it's sort of like you're right, it is magic where they show us these two worlds. Because the world is now fully built. It is telling us this is how cartoons are made. They are made like like movies, like movies, and that like they this is this is our world and cartoons living together and seamlessly. And I love, but I do love they're shooting that in one because they have to do the entire scene again, so it's like they're shooting that that cart that sequence.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:41

Uh he just gets killed all the time. Like he has to do the volcano heat in the oven, he has to do that whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Cartoon logic is great. Yeah, he's died multiple times if you apply it to reality at all. And that's the thing is when the director comes in, and that had to be rehearsed with like physical objects and physical puppets, yeah, and then with Charles Fleischer like there, and then doing voiceover, like not on set, so it was 100% clean. Like, if we want to get into technical aspects of movie making and precision, what else do we like? What else can I fully talk about?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

There are props or things in that that I'm I still to this day watching it, weren't sure if that is an animated thing or if that's just a prop to look like it's animated.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Oh, once the the transition happens, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

It is magic. It is day seamless. Yeah, it's technology on that is impressive as all hell, and it holds up. It's pretty nuts, and pretty nuts, like hanging blobs.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

It's pretty nuts. Don't teabag me here, bro. We gotta move on. Uh, we meet Eddie, Eddie Val. And Eddie meets Maroon. Yes, RK Maroon.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

RK Maroon, the head of the studio, who approved pistol pack and possum.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

Was that one of the posters? This yes, this movie is so fucking well written. Derek, did you notice that there was like a pistol pack and possum poster?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

These are the things I did not know. I have to not now when I watch it again, I have to look for the pistol pack and uh possum poster.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

This is the like I want to make sure that like I'm doing what your girlfriend did and like making sure I'm like saying, I always do what my girlfriend did, Paul. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

Maroon is telling that hiring Eddie, who's now a um a private detective, private investigator, to do I will not investigate your private. Do something do some do blobs, do some due diligence on some detective work.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

I'm a show. I take two sugars with my tea.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

I'm a show my shabbus.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

God, I'm calmer than you are. I'm drinking my tea.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:48

I'm a private dick, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

It's great. Maroon is telling Eddie Valiant this whole story of I need to know what's happening with my actor. He can't make stars come out of his head because he's mad in love. Yeah. And I need you to figure out if his wife is having an affair. Like it, the I just need pictures, but the amount of money he's giving him, it's about twelve hundred dollars today. Yeah, the amount of money he's gonna pay him is a lot for just that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

And in a classic noir sense, like it's setting you up, it's giving you this case, but it's not giving you the full case. And so, like, it's giving you what's gonna start for lack of a better term, the rabbit hole. Uh yeah, Eddie. Uh, but I they also do this great thing where they they start to introduce his drinking problem. Yeah, yeah. Subtle at first, they're planting the seeds. The script is so smart, like it's it's giving you because Maroon even says, like, yeah, have a drink. Every time there's a drink offered or seen in a room, Eddie goes to it. He's all over it. Yeah, he cannot get it down fast enough, which is important because we're gonna learn more about his trauma, and that's like it's such an important part of the character.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Yeah, it's even impressive in this very beginning thing. It seems so simple that transition that happens from the tune to the real and mixed media, yeah. But like Dumbo's outside the window, yeah. He works for peanuts, yeah, and it's very important, and Dumbo picking those peanuts up, and it's like the level of precision. It's like I don't even know, I don't know how that is achieved. To this, it's like are does somebody standing there with a vacuum cleaner to like what's there's a level of magic to it, it looks so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Yeah, Eddie Eddie walking through the studio, walking on his way out, and seeing all of these different cartoons and like them bumping into him, and yeah, uh yeah, it's it's very well done, and and and it really does establish this world. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

The score, oh, yeah, like really the the sound is so good, like I was talking about the vacuum, the the cartoon noises that are happening, it does such a good job, like you were saying, of creating the world, and the Sylvestri score pulls you in, and we figure out the whole thing with the streetcar and clover leaf, and it's all happening really fast. Where Eddie just like hops on the streetcar, you can get anywhere. Why why would I own a car? Like LA has the best public transit in the world, and that was proof.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

It's perfect exposition, though, because like as a writer, as a writer, you can so easily write bad exposition. Writing good exposition is hard.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:30

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Once you have it down, you're like, Oh, thank god, I got it, I got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

Yeah, brevity is the soul of wit, like it really it sums everything up so beautifully, just written so tight.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:42

Just Eddie having to say like tunes, like we get his perspective. Yep, yeah. He's a bigot, yeah. And we get this idea, and we don't know why yet, but we he's not likable yet. We will learn, we will learn why. Yeah, I do like that he is like working class and won't like won't pay to get on this thing, but shows him a check, and they're like, What am I gonna do with that?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Am I a bank? He's not likable as written, right? This is the thing, is Ben, you are really quick to defend because the performance is a masterpiece.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

I've never disliked a Bob Hoskins performance, never, never, but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

If Bill Murray is in that role, the show does not work. You have to have somebody that you buy as this character, and I couldn't buy Bill Murray as any value.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

It's also the grit the grittiness that like his natural, like he's Cockney. Oh, hi. And so like his natural voice, I know it doesn't really slip, but he's really good at an American dialect, it's very solid. But his grit, like the the gritty feels, it just really fits this character and fits. I could not see anyone else in this part.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

No, I love that his accent to a degree is like so of my if we were talking about Mrs. Doubtfire, but it's like, yeah, this guy traveled around everywhere, he was in a traveling circus or whatever for a period of time. Like Derek was talking about the picture frame. It sums up exposition through sound effects, through visual stuff, through the score. Bob Hoskins doing this incredible shit all the way through this thing, but and like the the cloverleaf sign, and like the the little bits of things are already telling us like we're going on a journey just through these little tiny pieces of things that are all locking together.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

Yeah, I do like the cloverleaf like every good noir, right? There is some sort of corporate entity or some kind of company that you know is ultimately going to be part of this in some way.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:35

A cabal. Yeah, and Eddie heads straight to the bar, straight to the bar, yeah, and shows Dolores the love and girlfriend Dolores, yes, yeah, the$50 check. And I think Joanna Cassidy's really great in this. Oh, yeah. I love her in Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead, which Derek shouted out was like great movie. I was like, dude, yes, yeah, dishes are done, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

Another movie we watch his kids all the time all the time. But I love that he's getting like that the drunk dude at the bar. Uh that's always there.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Angelo.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

Angelo. I love that he's like trying to like get him to do something. Like he's like, hey Eddie, like trying to get trying to get some stir something out of Eddie in this moment. Yeah, why?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

He's just being a dick. He just antagonist, just an antagonist. He's just trying to antagonize him.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

I mean, I guess we need somebody. That's a good point, Derek. Like, we need somebody that's like clearly gonna show us that like Eddie's not a bad guy, like he's bigoted, but there's a reason for it. And this guy kind of shows and that stunt, man, when he falls out of the stool and smacks that counter with his chin, whole and Bob Hoskins smashes the egg on his face, it's brutal, it's like kind of violent.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:46

Would would you ever get a pickled egg from a bar?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

No, no, that's a bad choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

Why are these in Mo's bar? There's the pickled eggs on the this used to be a thing. People used to go to the bar and they would have pickled eggs with their drinks. Why?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:59

I think that was the like an accessible cheap thing or whatever for a bar to have, and like people can afford to soak up the like you'd have some food to soak up the alcohol. Shut it down. But I love shut down the red car and shut down that bar. Shut down every bar that serves pickled shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

I love that those blocks after he does after Eddie does that to him, he's like, What's the matter with him? It's like, what the fuck do you think's matter with him? Yeah, you know him. Yeah, he's like a fucking dick.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:28

Now we immediately sympathize with Eddie, yeah, where we find out his brother is dead. Yeah. And a tune did it. And just going over the newspapers, it's just like Back to the Future. Oh, yeah. Newspapers are giving you this information. These things, the camera is giving you this information, these these jokes are giving you this information, the score is giving you this. And you know the the adventure you're on.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

Yeah. Yeah. They he's going, he's gonna go to the club where just a rabbit works.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

The ink and paint club.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

The ink and paint club, which is a reference.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

It's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:03

It's a reference to what, Derek?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Disney had an ink and paint department that is part of their animation, is ink and paint. So that's an actual department of animation.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

So and you and now we know that that reference almost probably had to be there.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:18

Like it was approved by Disney or pushed by Disney or a combination of.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

Probably, yeah, probably approved.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

Works. The entire time I was watching this movie this time, I went, they're never gonna make a movie like this again. Same ever. The closest, the closest, and this is just this is still like maybe a three and a half or four-star movie, which is a high, high score for me. But the Chip and Dale movie, I thought the Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers movie scratches the itch like a little bit for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:44

Loved it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:45

Do you understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

That was like my favorite movie that year, close to it. Have you seen that, Derek?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

The one that was like uh in the middle of COVID or the white. Oh, yeah, the Disney Plus one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

John Mulaney and I have seen that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:59

That is pretty good. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Oh, yeah. It gets close to this in terms of like what it's doing, but nothing, nothing has really come close. Speaking of coming close, they go to the Jessica Rabbit show. Shut it down! You know, all those dudes. This is a movie made for kids, and this is a woman, a cartoon woman, but a woman who is just like these guys are are just coming in their pants.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

The most is that is that top shelf cartoon pussy, or is that it's top shelf, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

There's quite a top shelf Willem Dafoe? I can't tell.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:34

It's hard to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

I mean, maybe later that he sees in the in the in the hotel.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

Um this is the thing is this movie to me, does anybody ever feel like it's offensive or that you're offended or that it's trying not at all? I don't think anything is done with any malice of forethought, and I think but even in 2025, nothing feels outdated, it just wouldn't be made right now. You know, I agree, it's a treasure, and I agree in terms of like there are four-star movies out there like Chip and Dale that are like this isn't a treasure, this is a special, special thing. So we we just want to make sure that we're saying ratings appropriately. I've seen 3,000 movies and I have like 90 movies that I'd rate five. People that come on this program have fucking great taste in terms of my opinion. Thank you, Paul. Yeah, does that include Derek McFadden? Field of Dreams five. Yeah, Galaxy Quest four and a half, Roger Rabbit five.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

You got a good batting average right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:43

I I do try to bring something I hate. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:47

I I can do it. I'm sure you could. You won't you won't like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:52

This is the man that sent you the book of What Dreams May Come.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:55

That's true. I am the reason that you owned What Dreams May Come for more than a minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:00

Again, speaking of What Dreams May Come, he's watching Jessica Rabbit in this in this bar. Oh my god, and all the dudes are just like like uh uh Acme is there. He meets Acme, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

The hand buzzer, the bestseller, disappearing ink, which also is just it's it's gonna come back later.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

So important, yeah, so important. But I love that Jessica Rabbit just like is grinding on them completely. Dude, like this is her.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

I don't know. The dress is like sheer, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:29

Oh no, it is like as a child who watched this movie, it has made an imprint in my brain, as most young men and and women, I'm sure, um somebody made an imprint in your trousers.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:41

She's drawn that way, guys. But the movie is animated gorgeously. That dress, the way it sparkles and shit. Yeah, the way that the physical things and animated things with Acme and the doorman and the disappearing age. Oh, the doorman is great.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:59

Nice monkey suit. Yeah, nice monkey suit.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

I saw back when they originally made this, I saw like a part of that scene, and it showed Bob Hoskins literally having to throw himself into that pile of boxes. He just throws himself into it and he ah, and he like that whole thing is him. Nobody's throwing him. Derek is not thrown by anybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:23

Derek, I think you've said two things about the frame about the the circus training and what you just said. I hope that makes you at least consider coming up 0.25 to a 4.25. I'm considering. I'm going after it. So now we have the dueling pianists that are Donald Duck and Daffy Duck, and Daffy Duck just getting annihilated.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

Can anyone understand what this duck is saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Donald Duck being less understandable than ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

And also, like, it's just crazy to me, too, that Disney is allowing for their characters to be evil, but to not have violence done to them, but to do violence to Donald Duck with devil horns, and like I remember when when I was a kid and seeing that like canon come up, I was like, that's terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:11

Oh, yeah, like design, and then Acme says the ducks never finish the act. So what you know is they've done it many times, and they can never get to the end of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

And nobody dies, and they do it all the time. And I like that Acme is a person in this universe. We've seen Acme in a million things from mostly Warner Brothers, but that this there is a person behind this who yeah, Acme who creates all these different gags and jokes and cartoon things all with RK Maroon in terms of like characters overlap, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:43

In the 80s, there was famously the Marvel DC overlap for the first time ever. Oh, you're right where we had the Hulk versus Superman and Super uh Spider-Man versus Superboy and all these things. Is this the that the cinematic version of that? Where like because Warner Brothers and Disney I think it has to be the yeah, they're the they're the stalwarts of animation in the in the in the world at this point, and so these are like building up to when we get Mickey and Bugs on screen is crazy, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:11

We all agree this is a singular thing, I think. To execute this at this level being the only thing that it is, yeah, is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

The fact that it's not trash, like not that it would be, but like you're saying now, right? Now we would call something like this an IP orgy of some kind, yeah. And they don't they don't give any attention to the story or the details, it's just about oh, it's IP, just throw it together, and it would cost 192 million dollars and be about nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

Yeah, it would be about nothing, Derek, and it would look flat as fuck, as I've talked about about a lot of stuff. This was the first successful IP orgy. I said I was saying it was the biggest franchise movie in history, yeah. Ben, you nailed it with the IP orgy product the uh comment. Like the fact that this exists as it does is insane. Like Betty Boop is in here in this moment. We see the Roadrunner at a point, so good. Like all these cartoon legends, it's not like watching Space Jam 2 and being like, why that why are the Drooges here jerking off to this basketball game?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:12

They're hanging brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

They're teabagging. The crazy thing is, the only thing that's good in Space Jam is Bill Murray.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

I love the first Space Jam. I do, I do. It's it's a piece of nostalgia for me. We Larry's not white, Larry's clear. Larry's clear. Beat that shot.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:29

Speaking of IP orgies, we gotta get to the patty cake.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:33

She's gonna play patty cake with Acme. Patty cake.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:35

Yeah, in the dressing room. Patty cake. Yeah, Eddie listens, gets the photos, and he gets thrown out of there. But he gets the photos.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:44

But the transition is to Roger, and they don't even break it. They don't even break anything. They go from patty cake to patty cake, and you know exactly where you are. You know exactly where you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:56

The transition to rot like like zooms out or whatever he's smoking, too. We don't have to see Eddie do anything else. It's no, we don't get right to the point. It's give those give the photos to Roger and Maroon Maroon's plan coming together, and you got to give Roger that drink.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

When they're in Maroon's office, and we see that Roger has a drinking problem of a different kind. Yeah, which I assume is maybe uh maybe what his brother had, where if his brother had a drink, he would go off, and so Eddie wasn't drinking at that time. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

If I from the drinking problem in airplane, I have a drinking problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

Yeah, or or what was it, Fletch where he taught or Caddyshack where Jeremy Chase tosses it over his shoulder. Maroon sees Roger's drinking problem happen, and we go to Eddie's office and go through more of the memories of the being a circus performer and a cop and of this and that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

He's a multifaceted person, which is so important for later. And you know, watching it again, it really does change my view of the movie because they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what they were what they were working towards. Uh, I have to give Zemeka so much credit.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:06

Oh, yeah. I mean, his direction is telling so much. I mean, this is a lot of like this movie is kind of a masterclass in show don't tell. Yeah, it is doing so much in the frame and and like the what are the B rolls or the inserts, like they're giving us so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:21

Oh, yeah. With all sorts of stuff, in terms of the visual, the shadows that exist in this to tell you who's who and what's what is massively important, like in terms of like dealing with this whole thing with all of Eddie's emotional baggage having his brother through his life. Yeah, and Bob Hoskins, him being the size he is, is also vital to this movie. He's so small, it's so good though, where he interacts with the tunes and the eyelines that happen.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

It's amazing. Encounter to who we're gonna meet soon, Christopher Lloyd, who's so tall. He's a big

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

Dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:00

And the next morning, Acme is dead. Yeah. And and has been gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:06

He he said he said the rabbit tacked him last night. That's what that's all about.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

Oh, Lucian Tino, yeah, says that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

Yeah. And uh we we meet is he employed by the government, Doom? Is he uh is he a a cop?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:19

Is he what is he's a superior court judge? He bought an election in Toontown.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:24

Judge Dredd, basically.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

Yeah. But I think he he bought that knowing he was planning this. I think that's the idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:32

And so and he has his his weasels as his as his yeah, and I love on that they're on the murder scene, and Jessica's there for questioning and slaps Hoskins for to Eddie for taking the photos of her and Acme playing patty cake. And this warehouse murder scene, it's like showing off.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:52

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's really well shot, it's really clips, it goes along, and you're getting the basics. Acme's dead, here's the villain, they're looking into it, and Roger is wanted. And immediately you're like, Well, shit, you're in the middle of the shit now.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:10

The movie essentially, right into the second act, it's the murder scene where Jessica's at, where Hoskins is at with this, and introducing this super evil guy and all his minions, and literally doing the I will kill a fucking puppy with the squeaking shoe. Give me all these gadgets and shit, and he dips that thing. And I I do think where it's like, Yeah, how did we come up with this? He just tried different formulas where it's like WD40, it took that many times to get to that point. Formula 409, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:46

He like put his own arm in it and go, Oh fuck, that works. He's just I don't know, he's just a sick, and then lick his finger.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:53

Could have just like grabbed some. I mean, they're tunes, they can make shit tunes appear, apparently. Like, Roger can make birds appear. So he's a magical creature. You could just make like you could hit your head and make stars appear and dip them in the dip. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

I guess, yeah, you could.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:05

You fucking he's a he's a psychopath, and he I do agree, he is one of the best cinematic. Like, I'd put him up there with Hans Gruber, Scarth Vader, you know, Jason. Like, I would put him up there with these guys. I agree. Eddie is good like this. Is where I love this is like every scene after, like, once we get here, every scene after this is just ratcheting, everything is just being ratcheted up, and Eddie is getting further, further thrown into it, getting ahead of myself here, but he's a good enough investigator and a good enough cop to know that Roger didn't do this, but but like deep inside of him, and I think it compels him because he feels his brother in Roger to a degree, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:49

Like, especially by the end. I didn't when baby Herman comes back and cries foul play and is saying, Acme and this whole thing is no good. The Roger situation is no good. You're good at this, figure it out. Like, get my stogie. I'm a 50-year-old man with 50-year-old last three-year-old dinky. Yeah, three-year-old. Is it is it you shush, shush you mob. We turn the blob, you just have a blob there. So baby Herman is pissed off, and I love the reveal of Acme having the will, the happenstance of Hoskins dropping the glass. Yep, and that's how we find out. Yeah, he has he has the will.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

He puts the glass down and he goes to like take his shoe off or something, and he's over the glass, and he's magnified, and then he gets out his classic magnifying glass.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:42

Such a smart way to do this.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:43

I mean, yeah, it really like that again is like a a really I don't know where they came up with that in what part of production, but just that small thing, you could easily make that a contrived moment, yeah, and it is not, it doesn't feel forced, it feels natural.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:58

So many movies would, though. Like, I mean, I mean, so many, so many two-star movies would absolutely straight to try the hell out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:05

There's a million of them. Yeah, all these mystery movies that go straight to Netflix and things that I wouldn't watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:10

It's like I love horror movies, but when people are like, You need to watch why I screamed at the moon six on Tubi, like I'm not gonna watch that. I I want to watch studio like as we're talking about this, sort of how this mystery is.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:22

I I'm thinking like of the movies that came after that, like, do we get knives out uh if we don't have like the way that the way that um progresses Ben LaBlanc genre knows that she didn't do it, but knows that he she's like she he sees the blood on her foot at the beginning of that movie and still includes her in this investigation. Like, this is where Eddie is Roger spoilers, Roger's in his apartment, and and he has a Murphy bed that he lives in his office.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:49

I love the Murphy bed. It explains his circumstances through the visuals, the dust on the fact that it comes out like the drawer, like a filing cabinet.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:58

It's a fake filing cabinet, and like class, like classic noir file or cabinet, and it's his bed. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:03

And is it when he wakes up that he sees that Roger is there? Or is it he lays down immediate?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:09

Okay, I wouldn't like a sandworm, like a snake in the grass, yeah, under the sheet.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:14

Also, do any of you would any of you lay on your bed in the clothes that you walked around in?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

I would really try hard not to, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

I like to shower in the evenings, yeah. Not always, sometimes it's a couple times a day, but I like to shower in the evenings, and I like that Roger, it's a writing thing, it's a dialogue thing. I went to the last place anyone would look for me, essentially. Like, I went to the guy who like made me lose my wife and is yeah, like gonna turn me into the cops. But Eddie, as we've been saying, his heart is so pure, he's so instinctive and good at his job. Part of it is because he was in the circus and can like read behavior and timing, and there's a level of like the comedy that they share. It's almost like them doing a routine. Uh, guys, I was with you at through from 3 to 3:33 last night.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:05

Okay, I'll let them know. Should I go flag them down?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:10

We have a police no pain, no pain, I'll just go knock on the studes police incident.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Live and a haircut too big. The weasels show up, and this whole putting the getting the the handcuffs on Eddie and and Roger. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:31

When the handcuffs are put, uh they're they are at first car are they at first cartoon handcuffs and then they become real when they're real. They're real and they go to cartoon, that's right, because they're on, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:43

I think I don't know if they're real the whole time or not. Yeah, I don't know if they're real and animated.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:48

I think they're cartoon at a at a certain point, but I don't know. Don't doubt it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:51

But I do love that like this whole thing is Roger is like, but please, Eddie, you have to like he's getting him to help him. What Eddie knows, he doesn't for sure know that he's innocent, but he knows that he can't give him to these fucking weasels, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:06

He can't he'll get dipped easily.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:08

Yeah, he can't manifest stars right now, he can't act the way that he would want to act to even try to trick Eddie or whatever. Like, there's a purity to Roger and his level, the level of honest and this whole thing that is just like, yeah, I believe him.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:23

Yeah, I believe him. But the genius move of washing his laundry in the sink to hide Roger. Does he need to breathe? Or is that for comedy?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:32

He's a cartoon. Well, he did he did try to come up, I think for breath at one point. Yeah, but he was almost seen there.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:38

Everything there is cartoon logic, right? And the way that the the the weasel's like, what do you got in there? And he's like, My la my my lingerie, my my lingerie. He's like, Oh, and it's dirty socks, like yeah, yeah, genius, like all the bubbles, just like there's no other way that you could have done that. I think it was great.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:54

I think Roger spits because it's funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:58

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:58

He can't help to be funny. He can't help but to make his whole thing about a single possible joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

Yeah, he could have gotten out of the handcuffs at any time.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:07

He waits until it's that doesn't work for Eddie though, because he's gotta he needs Eddie to think that he can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:14

I love the way the weasels talk. Yeah, though and the words that they use, how it's like very 1920s wise guy, like yeah, and how some of it's backwards, or it does it's not quite right, or it's inverse, or it's amok, or what's one of them has goofy as fuck eyeballs, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:31

Like in a bat and a snake.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:33

They are they gremlins, whirly yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:36

Well, and they set up here the whole idea. Well, and and they set up with the weasels the whole idea of if they laugh too hard, they might die laughing. Oh, yeah. Which is gonna come back later.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:47

And I will say, as was shown in a Christmas story, yes, this is how you get your mouth washed out, it's just a bar of soap in your mouth. Yeah, this movie should confirm that for everyone. That's how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

But now he's gotta hide Roger. Like he's he's now stuck to this fucking guy, wanted for murder.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:07

This fucking guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:08

This fucking guy. He's he's I just called a cartoon rabbit this fucking guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:12

Fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:13

Yeah, I've seen him. He's right here. He tires me out too. Harvey, say hey! Like when they go to the bar, yeah, and that guy was like they're hiding out, and uh Doom shows up. And oh man, I love that the whole thing because Roger was entertaining them and making them laugh.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:29

I love that everyone in the bar is like, yeah, we're gonna protect this guy, and it's like a class thing almost, yeah, I think in where it's like the pickled egg thing, and where again where Roger gets out of the cuffs and the saw and Bob Hoskins looking at nothing, yeah, and sawing these cuffs off, and Roger coming out, and it takes a couple times for him to realize, and it's wonderful, a good bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:52

And I also just going back just a bit, I also love that the record skips on no pain and Roger this pain. So committed to the pain, he's like, I'll just keep breaking the pain in my head. I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:04

Yeah, the rhythm is gone. Get you, yeah, dude. I love that too, Derek. It's one of my favorite things in the movie where he was like, I will bang 37 of these plates, 111 of these plates, however many plates it takes. I'm gonna bust these, like and Joanna Cassidy is horrified at him busting through all these. And this is after he gets out of those cuffs. You could have gotten out of those cuffs at any time. No, only when it was funny, like such a fucker.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:33

Doom knows he's there and he's doing the like shaving a haircut around. And Eddie, the the shot is just Eddie looking out at him, and he's just like, What is this guy doing? He thinks that this is gonna and he slowly turns around and sees Roger.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:46

Roger's losing it, just like he's gonna shit his pants. He's just locked up, and eventually, would Judge Doom have had to have finished it if Roger didn't? Was Judge Doom internally like going fucking insane?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:01

I I I I think he had so repressed his tunedness that I think he would have been okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:06

Okay, I agree. I I think even the weasels to agree to a degree that because they're against themselves, like they're just again, they're this weird group of tunes that are against just like we want to be the billionaires and rule over whomever else. There's a Billy Drago performance in the Untouchables that reminds me of the lead weasel in this movie that uh kills Sean Connery and or is involved with killing Sean Connery.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:34

It seems like tunes like there there is like the segregation with tunes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:39

Oh, there is there's a toon town, yeah, where that's then gerrymandered right there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:45

But Roger flies out of the wall Kool-Aid style, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:50

That I love the gag. Oh, yeah. Love the gag.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:54

Yeah, me too. And he's brought an entire fucking vat of dip into this bar, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:01

Which it we're already terrified of.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, every time I see that puppy die, it's it's a it's I'm is this as bad as Milo and Otis with nothing?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:12

You said you said, Oh my god, he should not be named. You just said the movie with nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:18

Go s go save me, save me. No, but Benny the Cab shows up to save the day at this point as well. They have to they have to oh please, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:30

When he's dipped, because this is where he's like, Don't you want a drink? Yes, and the like, and this is where Eddie, you get the whole circus background because he's like, Yes, he says he doesn't want it. Yes, you do, I don't, you do, I don't, you don't, I do. I it's like a Fodville, that whole thing, yes, like resource psychology is Dr. Crom. And the only way he knows how to he knows how to talk.

unknown 1:32:50

Oh, jeez.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:51

Okay, Paul, you went there. I heard it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:54

Roger knows Roger's gonna explode with the drink, and that's how they're gonna escape. And it's it's a brilliant move. And then we get to the cab.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:04

Them running together is so cool. Yeah, yes. The camera moves that happen here, and now we meet Benny the cab, and through this movie, all these characters have guns. Those guns can only hurt Eddie, but they panic everybody. Yeah, like the tunes are terrified of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:22

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:23

Yeah, are they terrified Eddie's gonna be hurt? Do they just love Eddie that much?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:28

Or are they terrified of guns in general?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:30

Just the the idea of guns.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:32

But they are scary. The cartoon guns can kill car cartoons, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:36

If dumb dums, yeah, if they're if the bullets are smart enough to go the right way.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:40

Well, I guess no, because they can kill real things, they can stop somebody, but they but the only thing that can kill a cartoon, they have to say the only thing is dip.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:47

Is the dip that's the dip the flaw with this movie to a degree where that dum-dum bullet comes out with the tomahawk and chops the bottle. Yeah, love the visual, love the message, love everything it represents, but also the idea that only dip can kill a tune, but tunes are afraid of guns or bullets that can't be afraid though, because like you can drive the movie, in but in cartoons, like in in like any anime, like if you have like show somebody Sam, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:17

Yeah, you'd still be afraid of his gun.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:18

I mean, yeah, things have to be like things of that enact fear, otherwise destruction. So I think from a cartoon, like I can I can find a I can justify this by just saying like the tunes are accustomed to these things being violent and causing pain, it might still hurt causing pain, yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, you get flattened into a pancake, it can't feel good.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:39

But well, as Roger showed early on, if you get a refrigerator dropped on you, it doesn't feel great.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:45

Yeah, yeah. The shapes and colors that come out of you are not necessarily voluntary, you can't always control them.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:51

The blobs, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:52

There is a level of emotionality that goes into it. The brother story in the cab, after this like getaway that's so beautifully, seamlessly animated and structured and created, and I'm sure fucking storyboarded and drawn and all this shit. It's incredible. And the newsreel of Cloverleaf in the theater, yeah, where explains where we are, which explains why we are where we are. Yeah. Where Eddie gets caught up as we get caught up, yeah, as an audience.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:28

It's really well done. He Zemeckis does that like he does that too with Back to the Future, too, with some of the new stuff, the things that show up in the news. Like he's really good at not over-emphasizing you were talking about this Derek exposition, but giving it to us in really natural ways.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:44

Yeah. In some cases, I agree. I love Castaway, by the way, too. Like, where a lot of that is just somebody talking to themselves. Like, well, but there are a lot of movies I don't like.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:55

Yeah, he's a little bit different in that a lot. Yeah, Tom Hanks is the only one who's there. So he has to get yeah, but Bob Hoskins had tunes.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:06

Yeah, well, but not really.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:08

True. I mean there was nothing there. I guess that's yeah, I guess you make a good point.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:14

Are they nothing there? They are by definition different movies. Yes, they are, but like the same director.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:20

Castaway is not the same as Who Framed Rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:23

If you started the movie Castaway, it would not then play the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:28

Sometimes which is good news.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:30

You've got this great director where sometimes you go to the past and it's great, and sometimes it's not. Sometimes you go to Toontown and it's great. Sometimes you go to Marwin and it's not, and sometimes you sometimes you sometimes you end up on an island and it's great. Yeah, I I like the way he stretches himself and I like the way he does it in this movie. When Roger is taken mysteriously, and Eddie nails Maroon, Eddie like puts him on film, right? Where he sticks the tie, and Maroon gives us his piece, more or less.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:59

Yeah, more or less.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:01

And the gun coming in in the shadow on the pistol Pete thing, great nuance pistol possum, yeah, and getting maroon, but not Eddie, and Eddie getting the fucking golden gun scaramonga.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:12

Oh, yeah, for sure. And now we're on our trek to try to find Roger and chase him down to Toontown. Uh I love you know that the tongue chase him down to Toontown. Come on down to Toontown.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:24

We all become Toontown. Because the the part that we kind of skipped is that when he goes up to meet RK Maroon, Roger's supposed to cover it. And Roger doesn't cover him because Roger gets hit with a frying pan by his loving wife, which is actually she's doing a loving wife.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:40

She's trying to save him, she's trying to protect him. I mean, she maybe does, but like to what maybe I don't know. But but intentions are good, and I think it's good that it happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:49

I don't think she trusts Eddie yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:51

No, as well as she fully, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:53

That's a good point. Otherwise, like they'd fill each other in on what they're doing, but I don't think but the the tunnel to Toontown, that's in Griffith Park. That's right over by the observatory. So cool. And Zemeckis has used that in two movies in Back to the Future 2 when he's being chased uh through the Oh, that's that tunnel?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:10

Oh, yeah. Okay. Famous tunnel. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

Uh it you usually can't drive through it anymore. I'm pretty I last time I've seen it, it's I don't know, it's closed off. I wouldn't doubt that. Uh, but it's right under the observatory.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:22

I also think that rather than use the fucking golden gun, like as odd job himself, yeah, like Bob Hoskins goes, I'm gonna use this tune gun and these hilarious like cultural and racial stereotype bullets.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:36

West Western stereotype, like from Western movies, yeah, yeah, from like a dead era in dead attitudes, and the bullets are so excited to get to be bullets. Like, oh they are they are boy howdy ready to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:49

Yeah, the Native American bullet smashing the bottle of wild turkey, and again, everything that represents is fucking rad, and the effect is so cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:58

And going just going, this movie feels very culturally important. And going to Toontown is as a kid, and even as watching it this time, that's where I was like, I am this is what I'm jazzed for. I cannot wait to go to Toontown and all the craziness that's going to like droopy dog uh your floor, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:21

We've been S. Pumpkins. Watch your steps.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:24

Watch your steps, sir. How many floors of this are there? And how many are David Pumpkins? David S. Pumpkins.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:30

About 80 out of 100.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:32

Only Tom Hanks, baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:34

Why did you go all in on David S. Pumpkins?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:36

I he has a name now? I say that that sketch posits that that character is God, and I don't know how long you have.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:43

There was also a David S. Pumpkins cartoon that ran on PC for like half an hour of NBC time, where they're like, we're gonna watch this now.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:52

You guys went all in on David Pumpkins, and the skeletons are part of it. We're in fucking Toon Town in this podcast right now where all these Toon properties have kind of blobbed together here. It looks gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:09

It looks beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:11

It it's kind of like Ghostbusters, where there is again where it's like, let's point out flaws, where it's like there are parts where Bob Hoskins is mildly very, very difficult to see, a little bit translucent.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:25

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:25

And it's like, I see where people are like, Well, I'm gonna nitpick this to whatever degree, and like, okay, that fine, that's legit. But now, but now we get but I think the swings are insane and they all hit, but now we get so many trash blockbusters that are all taking place in the digital world, just all junk, and they don't look this good. Did this set those up, though? Also, we talked about IP orgies, we talked about the flash. Does this set that up? I mean, does this create those?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:52

I feel like those things happen regardless. Yeah, like okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:57

There's a certain point at which this has to not be given uh credit for crap.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:05

But this wasn't sold as IP orgy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:07

No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

Derek, you are keeping my score up. Consider that as we move forward, as we get the even the the Bobo Jessica. It's one of those things where it's like, we're just gonna show you the hyper unrealistic thing of Jessica Rabbit and the hyper unrealistic thing, the cart these cartoon versions of these red-headed women.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:26

That terrified me as a child.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:28

It scared me too. The teeth terrified me. I have bad teeth, and that scared the shit out of me. I mean, not as scary as Wilm Defoe and Drag, but that's clearly an award-winning actor and widely known. No, I drew a bit of top shelf pussy myself. So the real Jessica comes in and saves Eddie as I desperately want to move on, and the judge is exposed. Like, it's beautiful that the second act ends with like the shadow of the judge and Jessica being like, I'm helping you.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:06

Like, believe me, I'm I'm not but you skipped over Nikki and Bugs falling together. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:15

Bugs even once tire. But do you have the spare?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:18

Do you have the spare?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:19

We do have, but I don't think you want it.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:22

I want it, I want it.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:23

Give me the spare.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:25

Oh, does the Bob Hoskins panic work for people here?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:29

Because it does mean absolutely he doesn't know what's gonna happen in this world. Like, but I love again here is like they let Mickey be kind of malicious, like very passively, like, well, you know, if he wants that, like because Bugs is always kind of a little.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:44

I think Mickey just let Bugs do what Bugs does.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:46

That's that's the devil on your shoulder, though. That's the Donald Duckley.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:50

And this is also like this moment, this is like this is film, iconic film history seeing these two characters together. This is Gremlins, yeah. This is Warner Brothers and Disney. Coming together for something so this is Stallone and Schwarzenegger on screen together, like that in last action hero. Last action hero. But kind of, I mean, it was Greg in that movie. But these are two, this is all moves. These are powerhouses, man. Absolutely, and they've they've stood in their studios for so long.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:22

Where let's go pre-Expendables, guys. Wasn't it better when Stallone and Schwarzenegger were just referencing each other in movies? Like in Twins when Schwarzenegger does or in well, I don't know what Stallone does, it's not as funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:35

You mean but it does make you center award-winning actor, nothing bad, director, writer. I'm sorry, Kennedy Center.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:46

Hit the button, hit the button. It does make you wonder, though, if Roger Rabbit doesn't in the in the in the world where Roger Rabbit doesn't hit, is there a Disney Renaissance in the in the in the late 80s and 90s? Because those movies hadn't come out yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:02

Well, and Derek, I think, you know, I think there's a a a good amount of truth to what I'm saying about do bad things come from this, but also Derek, what you're saying, good stuff comes from this too. And I think we gotta consider both things as we are gonna re-rate this as we begin the third act, and Benny Benny burning out in the dip and crashing hurts.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:25

It's not like the shoe, it's not the shoe, puppy. I'm glad we don't lose Benny the captain.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:30

Yeah, I'm wrapping around a pole. I'm just like, I hope he doesn't die. And literally, I had that thought as a kid. Like, I don't want him to die. Yeah, who dies after seeing the shoe? I was like, I don't want that to happen to Benny.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:42

The shoe and one other character die in this movie ultimately really maroon. Oh wow, how can I forget those two pieces of shit? Yeah, those two rich capitalist fucks. Not really Acme. Acme had to be Acme was a really good dude. What am I talking about? Acme was Maroon was the guy. Maroon was Acme was a homie. I like Acme.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:06

Maroon wanted Acme out of there.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:07

Yeah. Does anybody also like the ideas as we go into this whatever this is, the the clover leaf, the red car storage, whatever it is, oh yeah, that is gonna be torn down and the dip vehicle comes in. But the weasel searching everybody is the judge has everybody trapped except Roger. Roger's not trapped. Oh yeah. But uh when the weasel reaches straight down Jessica's oh dress, booby trap, and Bob Oskins goes booby trap, booby trap.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:39

It's a hilarious joke. I'm six, I don't get that. I'm just like, oh, okay, I guess we're there now. I did not get it. Hey Jessica, it's in the movie, it's in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:49

Electric, just a dumb fucking gremlin with a striped shirt and a bat and a fucking twirly head shit running around with its crazy eyes. It's in the movie. That's what it is. Does Gremlins 2 happen without this movie? These weasels go full gremlins too. Dude, this is a gremlins movie made by Gremlins, like Gremlins 2. Like Bob Zemeckis is and Steven Spielberg, clearly Steven Spielberg, are are this is in the pocket.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:16

Yeah. We're we're steamrolling to the end here, and and this is where we get some of the most like the third act is so fun. It just moves, it moves, and the bits are great, and Bob Hoskins musical numbers circus thing with Bob Hoskins.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:33

Like Roger getting a chance to like save the day, and like the judge being like, I am Clover, like he's the corporation, he hates his own animated kind. I am judge.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:47

I am the law, I will accept your reward. Thank you. Judge Reinhold could have played this part, maybe. Was that a bad stepdad? It was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:56

Was it was he a bad guy? I gotta rewatch the Santa Claus. Oh, wasn't he a pretty good stepdad? Like he just he was fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:04

That movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:05

Except Charlie was really annoying, though. Like, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:08

Charlie was annoying, and it was yeah, but he was annoying. It was the peak time in the 90s where we like to call out therapy and psychiatrist, yeah, as bad things. Well, like Carrie spank me.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

Carrie always is like the nicest guy in the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:22

Like, he's yeah, he's awkward, he's kind of cringe, but like he's definitely taken after Judge Weinhold and the Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:30

Sure, I agree with that. I mean, because the performances are both are so successful.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:36

I think we're I think we're stalling because we don't want to get to the end of this movie. I you might agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:41

I I maybe agree with you. It Roger comes in and gets hit with a ton of bricks, and the judge essentially activating Eddie, like says something, does whatever, and Eddie is like, no, like I'm turning on the fucking music, and is understanding that when the judge repeats the laughter, you're gonna laugh yourselves to death. That Eddie is like, I'm this funny, like I have a a tune sidekick that like wants nothing than to essentially be my brother. Yeah, I understand the attitude, the uh the vibe of the tunes, which is so awesome because at the beginning of the movie, he would never have been able to get there.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:28

So the arc is great.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:30

Well, and the dip gun is like even humans are like, I don't want to touch that, like nobody wants to touch that shit. And the showdown between the two of them and getting to see the singing sword and all these things that are in these boxes, and him overcoming his drinking problem, and all like he has a reason to live again. It's important that he does.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:50

I want to live again, and please let me live again. Come on, Claire, let me live again.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:55

Well, and and the judge being like the T1000, being able to make all these bladed weapons of shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:02

The transition where he goes from a human to a cartoon, that is a moment in my like seared into my brain. Oh, yeah, that is nice nightmare fodder. It is terrifying, and yeah, he does go T1000.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:15

Like the voice, the voice, his voice Bob Hoskins tells us, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:19

But all these things are gonna terrify you, and yeah, it all pays off. And his perform Lloyd's performance, too, is like he is a car, like nobody else could play that part. He's amazing, he is he is a cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:30

The physicality of these two characters also is so important that one is so big and one is not, yeah. It's really important, and he's gonna get he's gonna get dipped. Yep, he kill he kills the weasels with laughter, it really transitions them to ghosts, uh yeah, because they can't be cartoon ghosts, yeah. Yeah, they basically become some other type of matter, and the steam created his own death.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:58

Doom created his own death.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:59

I mean, just oh yeah, hoisted by his own pitar, the dip.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:05

The steamroll, too, when he gets fucking steamroll, the whole thing blowing himself back up.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:12

Amazing, the the popping out of whatever, like the sound effects, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:17

The eyes go and then yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:19

I love that the um dip mobile just goes to the wall and gets just like like a steam train, just takes it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:26

Luckily runs out of dip before it gets Roger or Jessica or any of the two. Yeah, it's like Toontown unites with all of the they spray the Eddie makes all the dip gets sprayed out with water, with water. He's very thoughtful about this, and the the what kind of lame brain would want a freeway, like instead of a red card, all these things that happen that are so vital to the movie. But the most vital thing is the love letter and the disappearing ink. That was you sobering and reappearing ink, yeah, disappearing and reappearing. Thank you, Derek. And the Eddie had the will the whole time. It was the love letter that Roger wrote on that clean, beautiful piece of paper in this fucking amazing voice performance that apparently happened multiple different ways from Charles Fleischer. Like, way to fucking go. Everyone, Kathleen Turner, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:20

What a great button on the movie that he had the I I can't put myself in a time where I didn't know that, but I'm sure like the what that's a great reveal. Yeah, I'm gonna reveal.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:32

I'm gonna one up you okay. When Roger shakes Eddie's hand, yeah, yeah, still the best seller, yeah. And then Roger's kind of taken on the mantle almost of Acme, who was like a good, thoughtful. I don't know, like I don't he was caretaker of tunes, yeah. In all this, it seems like mostly patty cake, really. Right, Patsy Cake. He just put a patty cake, and somebody did. I think Eddie knows he's gonna get the buzzer, and I think he almost has found his brother again, where he's like, Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:06

Well, and he's he's found the delight in himself again.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:10

Well, and when when that happens, and then he doesn't quite have a reaction yet, and Roger's a little bit worried, but figures he might he might still be okay. And then Eddie's the one that kisses him. Well, then you know, okay, yeah. We have a full arc.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:24

Yep, he ebonies or scrooges him where he's pretending like I'm gonna Bob Cratchett, you didn't come in this morning, like he's pretending like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a dick one more time so that I I that they know that I'm not a dick anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:36

This is a movie that you two hold in an extremely high regard, Muppet Christmas Carol, as well as you should. Uh-huh. I will back you up on that because I'm afraid if I don't say that, that I could be attacked here.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:48

Bring but bring back the love is gone if Jeffrey Katzenberg listens to this.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:52

Justice for Love is gone. Oh, yeah, yeah. Love is gone. Bring it back. I could get teabagged by you guys here. This could be Halo style, where you guys just end up like taking me out and teabagging me. But like, Derek, I would be shocked as we're at the end of this film. I would be shocked if your rating doesn't come up. I feel like you should go last. Okay, I will go last. You are the one with uh I don't think I was able to convince myself with a like this is responsible for movies that I don't like that come out now. No, people that don't put in the same amount of effort are responsible, and so I still give this movie five singing swords. Yeah, I mean I think it's something that's so special and incredible, and I think we're really lucky to have had people bring movies like this and movies like Gremlins and movies like Grand Budapest Hotel. Uh like what a fucking embarrassment of riches that we've had on this program.

Final Ratings

SPEAKER_02 1:53:44

Yeah, I mean, I I think that like I'm not sure if this movie hits as strongly if you're not a millennial or a Gen X, but if if you are like if you haven't seen this movie, this is one of the this is one of those sweet spots in nostalgic movies for kids but not talking down to kids. It it really is sits in a pocket, you know. It kind of like I you know, I'd put it up there with like Princess Bride or TMNT or like these things that are from 1990. I want to be very specific. From 1990, yes. The TMNT from I know. Not that that one was bad either. Um, I'm I'm sitting strong at five shave at a haircut.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:26

I'm still kicking.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:27

I'm just jumping.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:29

Well, I will say this the amazing uh work of Mr. Zemeckis and Hoskins, and all of the visual stuff that I didn't catch until somebody was there to catch it for me, and all of that, and all the things we've been talking about today, I have to be at five cartoons. I have to be at five cartoon bullets.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:52

I think higher than you even thought. We did it. You know, we finally did it.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:59

I mean, there's not a frame of this movie that doesn't belong.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:03

Derek, can I tell you I cannot express to you not only how happy I am that you brought us this movie, but that you got to have this experience with your girlfriend and then continue this experience with us. This is so fucking cool. It seemed like you were so adamant about like the four, and having us, I think, all have this conversation was so fun and fucking great. I'm so glad that you came away with a five.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:28

I really feel like this is the purpose of this of this podcast to really talk about a movie like this.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:33

Me too. Yeah, yeah. Despite all the sensor beeps and so there's so many games.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:39

So many ghosts. You're my child! We're saying oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:42

You're just making Paul give so much work to Paul. I did it to my Derek. Is there uh before we say that's all, folks? Can we can we get any more where can people find you, follow you, get your work?

SPEAKER_01 1:55:58

Um you can buy all of my books on Amazon. I'll have a new book out later in 26. Um that yeah, um, but also uh website, and it's Derek McFadden Editor.com. So if you would like me to help you edit your book, I am good at doing the that.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:16

Can you please mention your podcast again too?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:18

Yes, it's writing while handicapped from the Authors on the Air Global Radio Network.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:22

Excellent. And if I can find it, because I assume we must follow each other, and if we don't, we will soon. Derek's Letterboxd. Congrats, listener. The suspense is over. Derek and I do follow each other on Letterboxed, and you can find him at D-Man82. By the way, I don't know, Ben, could you tell me how many blobs are on this Mission Impossible 3?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:43

3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:46

Whoa. Close to 11. This one goes to 11. Oh. Uh, Ben, would you be so kind as to talk about our letterbox though?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:55

You can follow me on letterbox at runbmc. You can follow Paul at Paul XBadly. You can follow this podcast on Instagram uh at review x2 podcast. Please do like, share, um, spread around this S T D of a podcast. Subscribe. Great. Subscribe. I like to compare our podcast to a sexually transmitted disease. Uh one single plop. Uh, the music, our bookend themes are Jamie Henwood. Uh Matthew Foskett does some of our staples there with what are you watching and what are you doing? Chris Olds does our fun facts themes.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:32

Derek McFadden also. I did it today. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:36

Uh I do a couple things on there. Paul puts in a lot of work and edits and um little little jokes and little ads for you to like. So enjoy those. See ya, Derek. Teabag. Bye bye, everybody. That's all, folks.

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